Ranking the 30 franchises All-Time.

[L.Kizzle]

This is overall years throughout the league, not just by championships won. I have the Washington franchise below the Utah Jazz, even though as the Bullets they won a title and the Jazz are win less. Miami has one less title than the Spurs but the Spurs have been consistent since entering the league in 1976. That is why there is a almost 15 team gap between them.


1 LA Lakers
2 Boston Celtics
3 San Antonio Spurs
4 Philadelphia 76ers
5 New York Knicks
6 Chicago Bulls
7 Detroit Pistons
8 Atlanta Hawks
9 Houston Rockets
10 Oklahoma City Thunder
11 Golden State Warriors
12 Portland Trail Blazers
13 Dallas Mavericks
14 Phoenix Suns
15 Sacramento Kings
16 Miami Heat
17 Indiana Pacers
18 Denver Nuggets
19 Utah Jazz
20 Milwaukee Bucks
21 Washington Wizards
22 Cleveland Cavaliers
23 Brooklyn Nets
24 Orlando Magic
25 New Orleans Pelicans
26 Memphis Grizzlies
27 Minnesota Timberwolves
28 Toronto Raptors
29 LA Clippers
30 Charlotte Bobcats

[kNicKz]

inb4 shit storm

[branslowski]

Sixers over the Bulls...interesting..

[branslowski]

Also, Hawks 8..Heat at 16....Won't trash the list untill I understand ur criteria.

[Yankstar]

Knicks above bulls

:facepalm

[tpols]

Knicks top 5??:biggums:

pass that

[kamil]

Knicks top 5??:biggums:

pass that

Rings aside, I'd put them in the top 5. The profits most likely show that.

[L.Kizzle]

Sixers over the Bulls...interesting..
Bulls had a ten year stretch from 88 to 98 where they won 6 titles. Anything before that, no one cared. Bob Love and Reggie Thueus were their All-Stars ...

Sixers have 3 titles, but have been pretty consistent in there 60+ years in the league. They have a few moments in the mid 90s and the past few years that aren't worth a damn though.

[iTare]

My poor Jazz are shown no love :(

[L.Kizzle]

Also, Hawks 8..Heat at 16....Won't trash the list untill I understand ur criteria.
Hawks were a dominate team in the 50s and 60s. Decent teams in the 70s with Sweet Lou Hudson and Pistol Pete. Nique Wilkins squads in the 80s and early 90s. Deke and Smith in the late 90s and the Joe Johnson years. Only the Shareef Abdur-Rahim/Jason Terry Hawks were nothing to write home about.

[L.Kizzle]

Knicks above bulls

:facepalm



Knicks top 5??:biggums:

pass that
Yeah.


Were probably the 2nd best team in the Mikan era behind the Lakers.

They had some bad years in the early 60s when Richie Guerin was around and in the mid 2000s when Marbury, Francis, ect were there.

But multiple championships and Finals appearances places them in the top 3.

[alec613]

Lol, I started watching from the bottom list after seeing the obvious first two, and kept looking for the Knicks

[LilEddyCurry]

Miami Heat at 16? Bulls also should be top 4 and OKC at 10???

[zoom17]

what a horrible list

[3LiftHeatCurse]

How to Make Crappy Threads,
written by OP.

Miami Heat are top 5.

[SamuraiSWISH]

1 LA Lakers
2 Boston Celtics
3 Chicago Bulls
4 Philadelphia 76ers
5 New York Knicks
6 San Antonio Spurs
7 Detroit Pistons
8 Houston Rockets
9 Seattle Supersonics / OKC
10 Miami Heat
11 Portland Trail Blazers
12 Indiana Pacers
13 Dallas Mavericks
14 Phoenix Suns
15 Sacramento Kings
16 Atlanta Hawks
17 Golden State Warriors
18 Denver Nuggets
19 Utah Jazz
20 Milwaukee Bucks
21 Washington Wizards
22 Cleveland Cavaliers
23 Brooklyn Nets
24 Orlando Magic
25 New Orleans Pelicans
26 Memphis Grizzlies
27 Minnesota Timberwolves
28 Toronto Raptors
29 LA Clippers
30 Charlotte Bobcats

[L.Kizzle]

1 LA Lakers
2 Boston Celtics
3 Chicago Bulls
4 Philadelphia 76ers
5 New York Knicks
6 San Antonio Spurs
7 Detroit Pistons
8 Houston Rockets
9 Seattle Supersonics / OKC
10 Miami Heat
11 Portland Trail Blazers
12 Indiana Pacers
13 Dallas Mavericks
14 Phoenix Suns
15 Sacramento Kings
16 Atlanta Hawks
17 Golden State Warriors
18 Denver Nuggets
19 Utah Jazz
20 Milwaukee Bucks
21 Washington Wizards
22 Cleveland Cavaliers
23 Brooklyn Nets
24 Orlando Magic
25 New Orleans Pelicans
26 Memphis Grizzlies
27 Minnesota Timberwolves
28 Toronto Raptors
29 LA Clippers
30 Charlotte Bobcats
How is San Antonio below Chicago, Philly and New York?

NY and Phily are interchangeable. Chicago has nothing to speak of basically pre 88 and post 98 other than a Derrick Rose sighting and Reggie Their jheri curl.

[Marchesk]

Miami Heat are top 5.

Part of the ranking is no doubt based on history, and the Heat don't have history over teams like the Knicks.

[branslowski]

Ok L Kizzle, I see where ur coming from, ur ranking favors teams who have been consistantly good for long stretches throughout 60+ yrs.

For Example:

Team A: Either Misses playoffs mostly or only gets to the second round and lose for 75% of their life span, yet wins 3 Titles in a 6 year span.

Team B: Makes playoffs for 75% of their existence, advances past the second round 64% of the time, win only 1 title.

Yet Team B will be greater even though they have less titles. Hope everyone understands. (But most won't because everyone isn't caught up to the History of Franchises, we just know who the top players are and a what have you done for me lately type mindset)

[red1]

But we beat da bulls with jordan doe?

[red1]

Knicks above bobcats?

[iTare]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FranchiseRankings-Intro

This 2009 list is wrong on many levels now, but I agree that the Jazz are top 10. Idc what anyone says. :cry: :rant

No. 1: Los Angeles Lakers
No. 2: Boston Celtics
No. 3: San Antonio Spurs
No. 4: Chicago Bulls
No. 5: Phoenix Suns
No. 6: Philadelphia 76ers
No. 7: Utah Jazz
No. 8: Portland Trail Blazers
No. 9: Orlando Magic
No. 10: Houston Rockets
No. 11: Indiana Pacers
No. 12: Milwaukee Bucks
No. 13: Oklahoma City Thunder
No. 14: Miami Heat
No. 15: Detroit Pistons
No. 16: Dallas Mavericks
No. 17: New York Knicks
No. 18: Denver Nuggets
No. 19: Cleveland Cavaliers
No. 20: Golden State Warriors
No. 21: Atlanta Hawks
No. 22: New Jersey Nets
No. 23: Washington Wizards
No. 24: New Orleans Hornets
No. 25: Sacramento Kings
No. 26: Toronto Raptors
No. 27: Minnesota Timberwolves
No. 28: Charlotte Bobcats
No. 29: Los Angeles Clippers
No. 30: Memphis Grizzlies

[Mr. Jabbar]

Purple and Gold rock solid at #1, feel free to play and swap whatever you like between 2-30 guys :banana:

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Purple and Gold rock solid at #1, feel free to play and swap whatever you like between 2-30 guys :banana:
Not really, celtics and lakers are definitely interchangeable.
Also i believe 17>16, seeing as rings are a team acheivement why shouldn't that act as a measure of a team's overall greatness.
You certainly can't claim kobe is greater than lebron on the basis of having more rings, then dismiss the notion that boston is the best nba franchise.
Additionally the celtics have always been in boston and have won all their rings there.
I personally feel it's a 1a/1b scenario, it should be interesting how many lakers fans neg me tho.

[Yankstar]

Not really, celtics and lakers are definitely interchangeable.
Also i believe 17>16, seeing as rings are a team acheivement why shouldn't that act as a measure of a team's overall greatness.
You certainly can't claim kobe is greater than lebron on the basis of having more rings, then dismiss the notion that boston is the best nba franchise.
Additionally the celtics have always been in boston and have won all their rings there.
I personally feel it's a 1a/1b scenario, it should be interesting how many lakers fans neg me tho.

Dude the Boston rings are in an era when there were fewer teams in the league and Boston had all the talent hogged up. They haven't dominated shit since the 80's. Also Kobe > Bron for the obvious reasons (loyalty, ring chasing, all NBA team apperances, rings). Also if it weren't for some trumped up allegations he would also have 3+ MVPs.

[OmniStrife]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FranchiseRankings-Intro

This 2009 list is wrong on many levels now, but I agree that the Jazz are top 10. Idc what anyone says. :cry: :rant

No. 1: Los Angeles Lakers
No. 2: Boston Celtics
No. 3: San Antonio Spurs
No. 4: Chicago Bulls
No. 5: Phoenix Suns
No. 6: Philadelphia 76ers
No. 7: Utah Jazz
No. 8: Portland Trail Blazers
No. 9: Orlando Magic
No. 10: Houston Rockets
No. 11: Indiana Pacers
No. 12: Milwaukee Bucks
No. 13: Oklahoma City Thunder
No. 14: Miami Heat
No. 15: Detroit Pistons
No. 16: Dallas Mavericks
No. 17: New York Knicks
No. 18: Denver Nuggets
No. 19: Cleveland Cavaliers
No. 20: Golden State Warriors
No. 21: Atlanta Hawks
No. 22: New Jersey Nets
No. 23: Washington Wizards
No. 24: New Orleans Hornets
No. 25: Sacramento Kings
No. 26: Toronto Raptors
No. 27: Minnesota Timberwolves
No. 28: Charlotte Bobcats
No. 29: Los Angeles Clippers
No. 30: Memphis Grizzlies
This one shits.on OPs list.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Dude the Boston rings are in an era when there were fewer teams in the league and Boston had all the talent hogged up. They haven't dominated shit since the 80's. Also Kobe > Bron for the obvious reasons (loyalty, ring chasing, all NBA team apperances, rings). Also if it weren't for some trumped up allegations he would also have 3+ MVPs.
So by that logic mikan's rings don't count? The fact that boston won 11/13 rings and had arguably the goat team in 86 should add to their legacy.

Kobe should have more than 3 mvps? That is a joke, come on name them.
Lebron and kobe are practically neck and neck in accolades as it stands. You can argue rings, you can argue mvps, you can argue supporting casts/coaches.
The thing is it does not matter, lebron will end up the greater player.

[wagexslave]

lmao @ Knicks not being in the bottom 15.

[redboy]

1 LA Lakers
2 Boston Celtics
3 Chicago Bulls
4 Philadelphia 76ers
5 New York Knicks
6 San Antonio Spurs
7 Detroit Pistons
8 Houston Rockets
9 Seattle Supersonics / OKC
10 Miami Heat
11 Portland Trail Blazers
12 Indiana Pacers
13 Dallas Mavericks
14 Phoenix Suns
15 Sacramento Kings
16 Atlanta Hawks
17 Golden State Warriors
18 Denver Nuggets
19 Utah Jazz
20 Milwaukee Bucks
21 Washington Wizards
22 Cleveland Cavaliers
23 Brooklyn Nets
24 Orlando Magic
25 New Orleans Pelicans
26 Memphis Grizzlies
27 Minnesota Timberwolves
28 Toronto Raptors
29 LA Clippers
30 Charlotte Bobcats

i don't think that you can put any other teams as 1 and 2 besides the lakers and celtics. i also dont think you can put any team at 3 besides the spurs

[Yankstar]

So by that logic mikan's rings don't count? The fact that boston won 11/13 rings and had arguably the goat team in 86 should add to their legacy.

Kobe should have more than 3 mvps? That is a joke, come on name them.
Lebron and kobe are practically neck and neck in accolades as it stands. You can argue rings, you can argue mvps, you can argue supporting casts/coaches.
The thing is it does not matter, lebron will end up the greater player.

Lebron and kobe are different players with different skills and styles and positions. Why should we contrast a small forward and a guard. Kobe is the second greatest shooting guard ever just like Lebron is the 2nd greatest small forward. I don't want to turn this thread into a Kobe vs lebron thing.

Back to the Celtics. They dominated in a league with many fewer teams so the likelihood of them winning was high (no salary cap also meant they just kept all the talent stockpiled). If the 60's celtics existed today they would (fairly) be separated due to salary constraints. Think about a team with Lebron, kobe, duncan, chris paul and dirk on the same team with a few all stars on the bench. Add that in a league of 4 teams in each conference. Thats what the celtics had in the 60's.

I get sick of this sh*t that a ring is a ring. A ring with 4 teams in your conference vs a ring with 16 teams in your conference and also your team has 4-5 hall of famers and no salary cap. The lakers have been dominate for longer and in a more competitive era then the Celtics had in the 1960's. face it dude Lakers > Celtics.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

This talent crap is hilarious as an argument. Didn't half of he top 10 consensus GOAT list play for he Lakers? Didn't the Lakers win 5 titles in Minneapolis BEFORE the Russell era?

[Yankstar]

This talent crap is hilarious as an argument. Didn't half of he top 10 consensus GOAT list play for he Lakers? Didn't the Lakers win 5 titles in Minneapolis BEFORE the Russell era?


Lol. How many of them played at the same time? 2000? We had ancient, run-down Malone and Prime Shaq + youngish Kobe. in the 80's we had kareem and magic together. We never had hall of famers at every position.

We all know Wilt was a monster but the only year he won vs the celtics was the one year he had comparable talent in his roster to oscar. Yet now we see him as a monster player who choked and was never a winner. The truth is he was playing in an unfair league were 1 team stockpiled the talent and won 8 rings in a row. The everyone conveniently forgets about it and praises oscar as a top GOAT candidate above wilt.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Lebron and kobe are different players with different skills and styles and positions. Why should we contrast a small forward and a guard. Kobe is the second greatest shooting guard ever just like Lebron is the 2nd greatest small forward. I don't want to turn this thread into a Kobe vs lebron thing.

Back to the Celtics. They dominated in a league with many fewer teams so the likelihood of them winning was high (no salary cap also meant they just kept all the talent stockpiled). If the 60's celtics existed today they would (fairly) be separated due to salary constraints. Think about a team with Lebron, kobe, duncan, chris paul and dirk on the same team with a few all stars on the bench. Add that in a league of 4 teams in each conference. Thats what the celtics had in the 60's.

I get sick of this sh*t that a ring is a ring. A ring with 4 teams in your conference vs a ring with 16 teams in your conference and also your team has 4-5 hall of famers and no salary cap. The lakers have been dominate for longer and in a more competitive era then the Celtics had in the 1960's. face it dude Lakers > Celtics.
Dont want to make it about lebron vs kobe? Good, then dont spew garbage like kobe is obviously better.
I can get the point that you are trying to make, but by your logic the russel era rings are worth more (ring for ring) than the mikan rings.
As for the 60's celtics stockpiling talent, that was well within the rules of the league, therefore it should not negate the value of their titles. If you know anything about epl then you'd know the richer teams are at a significant advantage, this does not make the success of man nited or liverpool worth any less, it's just how it is.

[Legends66NBA7]

My current attempt at this:

1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. Chicago Bulls
5. Philadelphia 76ers
6. Detroit Pistons
7. Miami Heat
8. Houston Rockets
9. New York Knicks
10. Portland Trailblazers
11. Oklahoma City Thunder
12. Dallas Mavericks
13. Golden State Warriors
14. Utah Jazz
15. Phoenix Suns
16. Atlanta Hawks
17. Milwaukee Bucks
18. Washington Wizards
19. Sacramento Kings
20. Brooklyn Nets
21. Indiana Pacers
22. Cleveland Cavaliers
23. Denver Nuggets
24. Orlando Magic
25. New Orleans Pelicans
26. Memphis Grizzlies
27. Minnesota Timberwolves
28. Los Angeles Clippers
29. Toronto Raptors
30. Charlotte Bobcats (Hornets)


It's a rough take. I'm guessing most would consider Miami to be too high. I think they should at least be Top 10.

[Scholar]

Heat at 16 while OKC at 10? I'm assuming you didn't count the Supersonics' history, right? If not, you're retarded.
Miami's 3 year stretch > OKC's entire existence.


Edit: This post is directed to the OP.

[BoutPractice]

Chicago is number 3 at worst. Not just because they've won six titles, but because they're THE iconic NBA franchise in the modern era.

In almost every country in the world, young people are still wearing Chicago bulls caps and jerseys... Thailand, England or South Africa... big city or small town... you'll find them everywhere. You can't say the same about the other franchises.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Lol. How many of them played at the same time? 2000? We had ancient, run-down Malone and Prime Shaq + youngish Kobe. in the 80's we had kareem and magic together. We never had hall of famers at every position.

We all know Wilt was a monster but the only year he won vs the celtics was the one year he had comparable talent in his roster to oscar. Yet now we see him as a monster player who choked and was never a winner. The truth is he was playing in an unfair league were 1 team stockpiled the talent and won 8 rings in a row. The everyone conveniently forgets about it and praises oscar as a top GOAT candidate above wilt.

The argument for the Lakers is that they were playoff contenders and won titles consistently rather than in a bunch, correct? So why is it fair to discount the fact the Lakers had FAR more talent throughout history? The Celtics have done more with less, undoubtedly.

[Pacquiao]

OP is a dumbass.

[#number6ix#]

I definitely think heat should be in the top 10... They made the playoff 18 times in 25 years of existence...

[Owl]

It depends on your criteria (e.g you could do it per year, or just acknowledge that a list favours older franchises) but ...

I can

[The JKidd Kid]

If we count ABA success then the Nets would be much higher than on your list. Also idk how you can put the Knicks so high even though they have only 2 championships and haven't won any or been consistently good in over 40 years, they should be deducted points considering all the advantages and crutches they have.

Also Miami should be top 5 considering they're one of the youngest teams in the league and have been incredibly successful since then. Philip needs to be lower and so does Pheonix.

[D-Wade316]

All the lists in this thread. :oldlol:

[The JKidd Kid]

Part of the ranking is no doubt based on history, and the Heat don't have history over teams like the Knicks.

You mean the Knicks history of underachievement and failure?

[D-Wade316]

My current attempt at this:

1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. Chicago Bulls
5. Philadelphia 76ers
6. Detroit Pistons
7. Miami Heat
8. Houston Rockets
9. New York Knicks
10. Portland Trailblazers
11. Oklahoma City Thunder
12. Dallas Mavericks
13. Golden State Warriors
14. Utah Jazz
15. Phoenix Suns
16. Atlanta Hawks
17. Milwaukee Bucks
18. Washington Wizards
19. Sacramento Kings
20. Brooklyn Nets
21. Indiana Pacers
22. Cleveland Cavaliers
23. Denver Nuggets
24. Orlando Magic
25. New Orleans Pelicans
26. Memphis Grizzlies
27. Minnesota Timberwolves
28. Los Angeles Clippers
29. Toronto Raptors
30. Charlotte Bobcats (Hornets)


It's a rough take. I'm guessing most would consider Miami to be too high. I think they should at least be Top 10.
You're top 5 is spot on, though I'll interchange Detroit and Miami. The rest don't matter.

[D-Wade316]

Part of the ranking is no doubt based on history, and the Heat don't have history over teams like the Knicks.
You're high.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Part of the ranking is no doubt based on history, and the Heat don't have history over teams like the Knicks.

What is history to a franchise like the Knicks who have only 2 titles in their long history?

The Heat already have 3 in a much shorter amount of time.

Your rankings suck. You are ignoring success in favor of sillier alternatives, like being able to watch ESPN Classics Knicks games from 1961 or something. Being older does not mean better. They haven't won a ring since 1973. That's a bad thing, not a good thing.

The Heat are a top 5 organization.


1. Boston Celtics
2. Los Angeles Lakers
3. Chicago Bulls
4. San Antonio Spurs
5. Miami Heat

[3LiftHeatCurse]

My current attempt at this:

1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. Chicago Bulls
5. Philadelphia 76ers
6. Detroit Pistons
7. Miami Heat
8. Houston Rockets
9. New York Knicks
10. Portland Trailblazers
11. Oklahoma City Thunder
12. Dallas Mavericks
13. Golden State Warriors
14. Utah Jazz
15. Phoenix Suns
16. Atlanta Hawks
17. Milwaukee Bucks
18. Washington Wizards
19. Sacramento Kings
20. Brooklyn Nets
21. Indiana Pacers
22. Cleveland Cavaliers
23. Denver Nuggets
24. Orlando Magic
25. New Orleans Pelicans
26. Memphis Grizzlies
27. Minnesota Timberwolves
28. Los Angeles Clippers
29. Toronto Raptors
30. Charlotte Bobcats (Hornets)


It's a rough take. I'm guessing most would consider Miami to be too high. I think they should at least be Top 10.

Again, a joke.

Sixers ? They have 3 championships, same as Miami. Except the Sixers haven't won squat since 1983. The Heat didn't even exist in 83, and still equaled the amount of championships that the Sixers have.

So what is this? "Cause they had Dr. J back in the days, and they have old replays from the 70s and a long history and stuff"

What a joke. The fact that organizations like the Sixers and Knicks are so old, and still have less success than other franchises, is a NEGATIVE against them, not a positive.

[Legends66NBA7]

You're top 5 is spot on, though I'll interchange Detroit and Miami. The rest don't matter.

It matters to know where I would rank them year and year out. Pistons have been to more Finals and have relatively the same titles than the Heat, so I can't put the Heat over yet.


Again, a joke.

Sixers ? They have 3 championships, same as Miami. Except the Sixers haven't won squat since 1983. The Heat didn't even exist in 83, and still equaled the amount of championships that the Sixers have.

So what is this? "Cause they had Dr. J back in the days, and they have old replays from the 70s and a long history and stuff"

What a joke. The fact that organizations like the Sixers and Knicks are so old, and still have less success than other franchises, is a NEGATIVE against them, not a positive.

This is an all opinion thread. I didn't even use all my criteria, I just like the topic.

The Sixers have been to more Finals than Miami and have much longer history. I think that gives them the edge, for now. They certainly don't have less success than the Heat.

[Nike D'Antoni]

1 - Lakers, with that 17th title Lebron put them on the top.
2 - Celtics
3 - San Antonio Spurs
4 - Golden State Warriors
5 - Chicago Bulls
6 - Philadelphia 76ers
7 - Detroit Pistons
8 - Miami Heat
9 - Houston Rockets
10 - New York Knicks

[John8204]

1. Lakers
2. Spurs
3. Celtics
4. Warriors
5. Heat
(1-5 are set in stone, Celtics should be #2 but it's been so long since they've been at the top and their super team only got 1 ring)
6. Bulls
7. Jazz
8. Pacers
9. 76ers
10. Pistons
(I'll give Utah and Indiana bumps because they are always competitive small market teams, and they have ABA titles and legacy players)
11. Bucks
12. Nets
13. Rockets
14. Mavericks
15. Trailblazers
(they have signature players and one off championships and they've had rises and falls over the years)
16. Hawks
17. Cavs
18. Suns
(Atlanta's had stars and moments, Cleveland has Lebron, Phoenix has had it's moments)
19. Knicks
20. Thunder/Super Sonics
21. Raptors
22. Nuggets
(This is where the negative line starts, this is where you have wasted talent, decades of embarrassment or general futility)
23. Wizards
24. Magic
25. Clippers
(the lesser group, these organizations have had bigger flops even though they've had talent)
26. Pelicans
27. Hornets
28. Grizzlies
29. Kings
30. Timberwolves
(garbage teams that if they were relegated who would care)

[SouBeachTalents]

^ How on earth are the Nets that high? Are you counting ABA results?

[WhiteKyrie]

This is overall years throughout the league, not just by championships won. I have the Washington franchise below the Utah Jazz, even though as the Bullets they won a title and the Jazz are win less. Miami has one less title than the Spurs but the Spurs have been consistent since entering the league in 1976. That is why there is a almost 15 team gap between them.


1 LA Lakers
2 Boston Celtics
3 San Antonio Spurs
4 Philadelphia 76ers
5 New York Knicks
6 Chicago Bulls
7 Detroit Pistons
8 Atlanta Hawks
9 Houston Rockets
10 Oklahoma City Thunder
11 Golden State Warriors
12 Portland Trail Blazers
13 Dallas Mavericks
14 Phoenix Suns
15 Sacramento Kings
16 Miami Heat
17 Indiana Pacers
18 Denver Nuggets
19 Utah Jazz
20 Milwaukee Bucks
21 Washington Wizards
22 Cleveland Cavaliers
23 Brooklyn Nets
24 Orlando Magic
25 New Orleans Pelicans
26 Memphis Grizzlies
27 Minnesota Timberwolves
28 Toronto Raptors
29 LA Clippers
30 Charlotte Bobcats
Um, no.

1) LA Lakers - 17 Chips

12 really, if you count the actual LA and not Minneapolis Lakers with George Mikan's rings when the league was in it's infancy. No one claims Mikan is among the top 10 - top 15 players ever, due to his insane ring count, so why do we count it as meaningful additions to the LA Lakers franchise chips? If OKC wins rings does it count for Seattle?

And the actual LA Lakers rings were dominant, and crossed all the major eras of the league. 1972 - 2020. Just a litany of great players.

2) Boston Celtics - 17 Chips

So dominant between the Russell, and Bird eras. Then that brief big three, and then big four, suffered some untimely injuries, as well as age that could've left a few rings on the table from 2009 - 2012.

3) Chicago Bulls - 6 Chips

Attribute this deserving placement purely because of the greatest player to ever play, the GOAT, Michael Jordan transforming a pathetic bottom feeder into an unstoppable power house. Bulls here exclusively for being the most dominant dynasty of all time. Simply dominated an entire 90's decade.

And really still had a couple rings left on the table (1994, and 1999) where they realistically could have won 8, if it wasn't for MJ retiring in his prime. And Krause, PJ, and Pip breaking things up one year prematurely.

4) Golden State Warriors - 6 Chips

Wilt Chamberlain? Rick Barry? Run TMC? B.Diddy We Believe Warriors? Dominating the late 2010s after being organically built?

Yes, it was KD's choice to join that. Can't knock the organic process and dominance with Curry spearheading introducing a championship DNA and winning culture. The greatest shooter of all time, and a guy, as well as team that changed the entire way basketball is played, ushering in the post modern era.

5) San Antonio Spurs - 5 Chips

Those are easily the top five. From there backwards, who cares? I could see arguments for Houston, Philly, Dallas, etc

[Wally450]

1. Lakers
2. Spurs
3. Celtics
4. Warriors
5. Heat
(1-5 are set in stone, Celtics should be #2 but it's been so long since they've been at the top and their super team only got 1 ring)
6. Bulls
7. Jazz
8. Pacers
9. 76ers
10. Pistons
(I'll give Utah and Indiana bumps because they are always competitive small market teams, and they have ABA titles and legacy players)
11. Bucks
12. Nets
13. Rockets
14. Mavericks
15. Trailblazers
(they have signature players and one off championships and they've had rises and falls over the years)
16. Hawks
17. Cavs
18. Suns
(Atlanta's had stars and moments, Cleveland has Lebron, Phoenix has had it's moments)
19. Knicks
20. Thunder/Super Sonics
21. Raptors
22. Nuggets
(This is where the negative line starts, this is where you have wasted talent, decades of embarrassment or general futility)
23. Wizards
24. Magic
25. Clippers
(the lesser group, these organizations have had bigger flops even though they've had talent)
26. Pelicans
27. Hornets
28. Grizzlies
29. Kings
30. Timberwolves
(garbage teams that if they were relegated who would care)

Why does recency bias have the Spurs above the Celtics. You have to count the whole body of work. Who cares is they have one championship since 1986?

[L.Kizzle]

Um, no.

1) LA Lakers - 17 Chips

12 really, if you count the actual LA and not Minneapolis Lakers with George Mikan's rings when the league was in it's infancy. No one claims Mikan is among the top 10 - top 15 players ever, due to his insane ring count, so why do we count it as meaningful additions to the LA Lakers franchise chips? If OKC wins rings does it count for Seattle?

And the actual LA Lakers rings were dominant, and crossed all the major eras of the league. 1972 - 2020. Just a litany of great players.

2) Boston Celtics - 17 Chips

So dominant between the Russell, and Bird eras. Then that brief big three, and then big four, suffered some untimely injuries, as well as age that could've left a few rings on the table from 2009 - 2012.

3) Chicago Bulls - 6 Chips

Attribute this deserving placement purely because of the greatest player to ever play, the GOAT, Michael Jordan transforming a pathetic bottom feeder into an unstoppable power house. Bulls here exclusively for being the most dominant dynasty of all time. Simply dominated an entire 90's decade.

And really still had a couple rings left on the table (1994, and 1999) where they realistically could have won 8, if it wasn't for MJ retiring in his prime. And Krause, PJ, and Pip breaking things up one year prematurely.

4) Golden State Warriors - 6 Chips

Wilt Chamberlain? Rick Barry? Run TMC? B.Diddy We Believe Warriors? Dominating the late 2010s after being organically built?

Yes, it was KD's choice to join that. Can't knock the organic process and dominance with Curry spearheading introducing a championship DNA and winning culture. The greatest shooter of all time, and a guy, as well as team that changed the entire way basketball is played, ushering in the post modern era.

5) San Antonio Spurs - 5 Chips

Those are easily the top five. From there backwards, who cares? I could see arguments for Houston, Philly, Dallas, etc
I made this almost 10 years ago, lol. Who bumped this.

[WhiteKyrie]

I made this almost 10 years ago, lol. Who bumped this.
And ten years ago it was STILL wrong?

[L.Kizzle]

And ten years ago it was STILL wrong?
Hell nah lol.

[L.Kizzle]

And ten years ago it was STILL wrong?
People were ranking the Bulls as 3 because of 6 championships won. Not looking at between 66-86 and 99-13 they did nothing worth note other than 1 season Ross took them to the conference Finals.

I'm looking at consistently not number of titles won.

[John8204]

Why does recency bias have the Spurs above the Celtics. You have to count the whole body of work. Who cares is they have one championship since 1986?

Spurs have the highest win percentage of any NBA team(.613). While the Celtics have a bunch of rings for the first 30 years of the NBA, the last 30 years have featured a flopped Super Team and a botched rebuild.


^ How on earth are the Nets that high? Are you counting ABA results?

Yes, also they've got two finals appearances and they are now a major franchise

[John8204]

People were ranking the Bulls as 3 because of 6 championships won. Not looking at between 66-86 and 99-13 they did nothing worth note other than 1 season Ross took them to the conference Finals.

I'm looking at consistently not number of titles won.

The value of the franchise is 4th
Their win perc is 12th
When it comes to div. titles

33 - Lakers
31 - Celtics
22 - Spurs
16 - Bucks
14 - Heat
12 - 76ers
12 - Hawks
12 - Warriors
11 - Pistons
11 - Nuggets
11 - Thunder
10 - Jazz
9 - Bulls
9- Pacers
8 - Knicks
8 - Wizards
8 - Rockets
7 - Raptors
7 - Cavs
7 - Suns
6 - Magic
6 - Blazers
5 - Nets
5 - Kings
4 - Mavericks
2 - Clippers
1 - Timberwolves
1 - Pelicans
0 - Hornets
0 - Grizzlies

[HunterSThompson]

4 Philadelphia 76ers
5 New York Knicks
6 Chicago Bulls

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