Dwyane Wade's sacrifice for brotherhood and Team First ball

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Just amazing. How many players in the entire world, with their giant ego's and selfishness, would even be capable of doing what Wade did?

Especially Wade, who sacrificed the most. TRULY the role model for all teammates and people to emulate.

Look at glaring examples like Kobe. Couldn't even give up his role to Dwight at 35 yrs old, and certainly refused to take less money. Wade did both of those things, IN HIS PRIME.

Great watch, on this day of Christmas eve and love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIGNLSbzAAc

[inclinerator]

vegeta wade's ultimate sacrifice

[K Xerxes]

God, how many times do we have to hear about this 'sacrifice'? Instead of ending his career with 1 ring and 1 FMVP, he's going to end it with 3+ rings and 1 FMVP. The sacrifice won't be remembered historically when he still won as the man with an incredibly dominant run. These rings are just icings on the cake for a great player on a rapid decline.

[SamuraiSWISH]

God, how many times do we have to hear about this 'sacrifice'? Instead of ending his career with 1 ring and 1 FMVP, he's going to end it with 3+ rings and 1 FMVP. The sacrifice won't be remembered historically when he still won as the man with an incredibly dominant run. These rings are just icings on the cake for a great player on a rapid decline.
Be honest, you hate D-Wade. I've seen it in your posts lately. Wade absolutely, even beyond his deteriorating body pulled his game back in order to accommodate James. His abilities still flash through, and usually in big games. See his recent performance v.s. Indiana. Or how he carried the Heat to a big win in the Finals on the road v.s. San Antonio when LeBron was still busy being timid.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Be honest, you hate D-Wade. I've seen it in your posts lately. Wade absolutely, even beyond his deteriorating body pulled his game back in order to accommodate James. His abilities still flash through, and usually in big games. See his recent performance v.s. Indiana. Or how he carried the Heat to a big win in the Finals on the road v.s. San Antonio when LeBron was still busy being timid.
:cheers:

I think certain Bulls fans are still upset about summer of 2010. They truly thought their hometown kid was going to play for them. Wade's comments about the Bulls organization also didn't help.


I mean, look at the Heat. or the Lakers. Alonzo Mourning works for the Heat office now. Jerry West was Lakers GM, Magic had ownership stake, etc.....

but in 2010, the Bulls had NO TIES to Jordan, Phil Jackson, Pippen, Rodman, nobody. All of them ran off far away from the Bulls and wanted nothing to do with that organization after the run was over, and it wasn't until Wade's comments, that the Bulls made efforts to bring in Scottie back in the fold.

[pauk]

Respect, but they all sacrificed... they all wanted to win, what Wade did had to be done for the sake of winning as a better/more impactful player than him was there.... and its not like Lebron is selfish, he would himself take a step back to Wade if he was better, if it meant higher win ratio.... and will ALWAYS take a step back when Wade is on a roll or wants to be super uber agressive take all the shots he wants if it means WIN.......... hell at one time he did that even if it didnt mean WIN (see 2011 Finals)....

...and for Skip Bayless.... If Wade really was Batman/Superman like you say, meaning the best player in the world / best player in that team then he wouldnt need to take a step back to a lesser player dont you think? How is that sacrificing to win exactly?

[Bandito]

Respect, but they all sacrificed... they all wanted to win, what Wade did had to be done for the sake of winning as a better/more impactful player than him was there.... and its not like Lebron is selfish, he would himself take a step back to Wade if he was better, if it meant higher win ratio.... and will ALWAYS take a step back when Wade is on a roll or wants to be super uber agressive take all the shots he wants if it means WIN.......... hell at one time he did that even if it didnt mean WIN (see 2011 Finals)....

...and for Skip Bayless.... If Wade really was Batman/Superman like you say, meaning the best player in the world / best player in that team then he wouldnt need to take a step back to a lesser player dont you think? How is that sacrificing to win exactly?
No he did not. He was beaten and shook by Shawn Marion worldly defense. Don't try to change history bub.

And this is why I say you tend to put other players down to prop up Lebron. I didn't even have to look for evidence :roll:

[K Xerxes]

Be honest, you hate D-Wade. I've seen it in your posts lately. Wade absolutely, even beyond his deteriorating body pulled his game back in order to accommodate James. His abilities still flash through, and usually in big games. See his recent performance v.s. Indiana. Or how he carried the Heat to a big win in the Finals on the road v.s. San Antonio when LeBron was still busy being timid.

Dude, I don't hate any player. I just believe Wade has become vastly overrated and, in a certain way, untouchable. I'll admit I trolled a bit when I said Pippen was better (although I think it's close), but everything else I've said is what's my opinion.

What Wade did helped James' legacy - that is undeniable. But as far as him 'sacrificing' anything, I don't see it. For sure, he relinquished the alpha in him, but is that a bad thing? Consider that Wade's body is deteriorating faster than a shooting star and you don't think that taking every other play off, and taking every other game off, is helping him preserve it?

If he didn't bring James to Miami, how would his career have gone by now? More years of having to drag his shitty team on his shoulders as the alpha, how would his body have coped with that? He wasn't going to win MVP - James has that award on lock down for years and he didn't win it as his peak (09). And which free agents was he gonna get to win it all? Bosh only? Please.

James' arrival has only enhanced Wade's legacy in the future, i.e. by stacking up his rings counts. Not to mention that his drop in stats is accompanied by a drastic rise in efficiency, not that bad.

And in truth Wade only shows up in some big games. The games he doesn't show up in (i.e. Spurs game 6, pretty much the whole Indiana series, and some of the Boston series) are never talked about, instead brushed aside due to injury. In other words, he is never accountable for poor performances.

[pauk]

No he did not. He was beaten and shook by Shawn Marion worldly defense. Don't try to change history bub.

And this is why I say you tend to put other players down to prop up Lebron. I didn't even have to look for evidence :roll:

Stop it Kobetard... the only thing that shook & beat Lebron in that series was the thing between his ears... he has faced defenders 1000 x better than Marion and has faced team defense 1000 x better than Mavs...... he was never that passive, NEVER.... (kindof stole that one Jlip lol)

[LEFT4DEAD]

Respect, but they all sacrificed... they all wanted to win, what Wade did had to be done for the sake of winning as a better/more impactful player than him was there.... and its not like Lebron is selfish, he would himself take a step back to Wade if he was better, if it meant higher win ratio.... and will ALWAYS take a step back when Wade is on a roll or wants to be super uber agressive take all the shots he wants if it means WIN.......... hell at one time he did that even if it didnt mean WIN (see 2011 Finals)....

...and for Skip Bayless.... If Wade really was Batman/Superman like you say, meaning the best player in the world / best player in that team then he wouldnt need to take a step back to a lesser player dont you think? How is that sacrificing to win exactly?
:D

[Real Men Wear Green]

Be honest, you hate D-Wade. I've seen it in your posts lately. Wade absolutely, even beyond his deteriorating body pulled his game back in order to accommodate James. His abilities still flash through, and usually in big games. See his recent performance v.s. Indiana. Or how he carried the Heat to a big win in the Finals on the road v.s. San Antonio when LeBron was still busy being timid.
I don't hate Wade and yet agree completely. He has sacrificed nothing of any importance. The drama attached to all that he has allegedly given is a joke. Ooh, he might be able to score 25 ppg right now. So what? Just about every player would make that "sacrifice" to win multiple championships. He's getting more endorsements than he would have without the recent rings and still makes the max. He's marrying Gabrielle Union. He's got tens of millions of dollars and is a cherished celebrity living in Miami. This is sacrifice? Who wouldn't make this "sacrifice?"

[guy]

If Wade had the durability of Kobe or Lebron and didn't have the permanent injury issues, I highly doubt he tries to play with Lebron. He was 28 at the time, and if the outlook was that he could still be completely healthy and contend for the best player in the league for the next 5-7 years, I doubt he does this. The biggest difference between him and other great players is that he was able to be realistic and recognize it. It obviously helped that he was real good friends with Lebron.

[CelticBaller]

No he did not. He was beaten and shook by Shawn Marion worldly defense. Don't try to change history bub.

And this is why I say you tend to put other players down to prop up Lebron. I didn't even have to look for evidence :roll:
:lol

[Bandito]

Stop it Kobetard... the only thing that shook & beat Lebron in that series was the thing between his ears... he has faced defenders 1000 x better than Marion and has faced team defense 1000 x better than Mavs...... he was never that passive, NEVER....
At least we agree on that. And trust me, I am a fan of Kobe but I am not a Kobetard. You are an obsessive Lebron stan, and I am nothing like you at all.

Also I'm a fan of Lebron too, I just don't think he is as godly as stans like you and the other retards try to prove by trolling.


Thing is Lebron completely got shooked by Shawn and the Mavs, and that's not Wade's fault but him.

[pauk]

Dude, I don't hate any player. I just believe Wade has become vastly overrated and, in a certain way, untouchable. I'll admit I trolled a bit when I said Pippen was better (although I think it's close), but everything else I've said is what's my opinion.

What Wade did helped James' legacy - that is undeniable. But as far as him 'sacrificing' anything, I don't see it. For sure, he relinquished the alpha in him, but is that a bad thing? Consider that Wade's body is deteriorating faster than a shooting star and you don't think that taking every other play off, and taking every other game off, is helping him preserve it?

If he didn't bring James to Miami, how would his career have gone by now? More years of having to drag his shitty team on his shoulders as the alpha, how would his body have coped with that? He wasn't going to win MVP - James has that award on lock down for years and he didn't win it as his peak (09). And which free agents was he gonna get to win it all? Bosh only? Please.

James' arrival has only enhanced Wade's legacy in the future, i.e. by stacking up his rings counts. Not to mention that his drop in stats is accompanied by a drastic rise in efficiency, not that bad.

And in truth Wade only shows up in some big games. The games he doesn't show up in (i.e. Spurs game 6, pretty much the whole Indiana series, and some of the Boston series) are never talked about, instead brushed aside due to injury. In other words, he is never accountable for poor performances.

Good post.

[SamuraiSWISH]

If Wade had the durability of Kobe or Lebron and didn't have the permanent injury issues, I highly doubt he tries to play with Lebron. He was 28 at the time, and if the outlook was that he could still be completely healthy and contend for the best player in the league for the next 5-7 years, I doubt he does this. The biggest difference between him and other great players is that he was able to be realistic and recognize it. It obviously helped that he was real good friends with Lebron.


Dude, I don't hate any player. I just believe Wade has become vastly overrated and, in a certain way, untouchable. I'll admit I trolled a bit when I said Pippen was better (although I think it's close), but everything else I've said is what's my opinion.

What Wade did helped James' legacy - that is undeniable. But as far as him 'sacrificing' anything, I don't see it. For sure, he relinquished the alpha in him, but is that a bad thing? Consider that Wade's body is deteriorating faster than a shooting star and you don't think that taking every other play off, and taking every other game off, is helping him preserve it?

If he didn't bring James to Miami, how would his career have gone by now? More years of having to drag his shitty team on his shoulders as the alpha, how would his body have coped with that? He wasn't going to win MVP - James has that award on lock down for years and he didn't win it as his peak (09). And which free agents was he gonna get to win it all? Bosh only? Please.

James' arrival has only enhanced Wade's legacy in the future, i.e. by stacking up his rings counts. Not to mention that his drop in stats is accompanied by a drastic rise in efficiency, not that bad.

And in truth Wade only shows up in some big games. The games he doesn't show up in (i.e. Spurs game 6, pretty much the whole Indiana series, and some of the Boston series) are never talked about, instead brushed aside due to injury. In other words, he is never accountable for poor performances.

Good posts, touche.

[K Xerxes]

Good posts, touche.

:cheers:

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure relinquishing the alpha role on HIS team was difficult, possibly more difficult than anything he's ever had to do. Once you're the 'man' on your team, it takes a lot of pride swallowing to give it to someone else. And to be an all time great, you need arrogance.

But, in his situation, it was the best thing to do. That's why I don't agree with the 'sacrifice' part - this experiment has ended up boosting his body of work and extending his career.

Now, the guy who sacrificed? Probably Bosh. Unlike Wade, he hasn't won as an alpha. To sacrifice a probable 20-10 career as a #1 on a fringe playoff team for rings as a third wheel... well.

[pauk]

At least we agree on that. And trust me, I am a fan of Kobe but I am not a Kobetard. You are an obsessive Lebron stan, and I am nothing like you at all.

Creating a thread where you indoctrinate 15-20 of my posts and adding some other stuff into a 1500 word essay to whine about me certainly doesnt sound like me.... neither does randomly insulting other posters either...... you are perfectly right....

As far as me being a Lebron stan, i love Lebrons game, if that means "Lebron stan" then so be it, if its a crime for you, then so be it aswell.... i just dont think that is a bad thing as long as i am objective, rational and factual.... and ofcourse respectful towards other posters.... We indeed have many differences huh?



Also I'm a fan of Lebron too, I just don't think he is as godly as stans like you and the other retards try to prove by trolling.

I dont know which Lebron "retard" stans you are talking about and what exactly they said..... The only "Lebron godliness" type of assessment i portrayed lately is only that I think Lebron is the best player in the game and that he is a top 10 player of all time.... if that is "retarded" for you meaning you think he is not that good, then you better look on the mirror....



Thing is Lebron completely got shooked by Shawn and the Mavs, and that's not Wade's fault but him.

So you think that after Lebron NEVER got "shooked" and never was that passive after facing much better defenders and team defense before in his entire career.... FINALLY got shooked when he saw the almighty Marion & Mavs?

...you think he for the first time in his career averaged ~14 FGA in a series and for the first time in his career defered to somebody entire playoff series (Wade in this case) because he all of the sudden got shook as he NEVER faced a defender like Marion and Mavs before?

...or because he played with Wade/Bosh for the first time, entirely new strategy/role/teammates/coach... making a decision to do a little "sacrifice" of his own especially that series? What he did there cost them the series, no doubt, but the point is there is rationalism for why/how it happened...... and that rationalism wasnt Marion / Mavs..... it was himself...

Funny.... i wonder why Marion / Mavs otherwordly defense couldnt do that to Lebron even for a single game before OR after that series............

[GrapeApe]

To me, Wades biggest sacrifice came between '08-'10 when he knew the Heat were gearing up for the summer of '10. Those were his peak years and he was on a team that had no intention of being a contender. The transition with LeBron was organic and ultimately inevitable.

[Micku]

To me, Wades biggest sacrifice came between '08-'10 when he knew the Heat were gearing up for the summer of '10. Those were his peak years and he was on a team that had no intention of being a contender. The transition with LeBron was organic and ultimately inevitable.

Yeah. But he sacrificed as much as Kobe did. Wade even thought about going to Chicago in the free agency.


But like everyone said, they pretty much all sacrificed their game to play with each other. Bosh has to play center, a role that he doesn't like, Wade had to play more off ball, and LeBron had to share the offense with Wade and he had to play off the ball too.

And honestly, LeBron was/is just the superior talent. Wade is injury prone, so he couldn't keep up. The closest gap between them was 2011, when they were 1a and 1b. But after that LeBron just exploded while Wade was fighting through injuries and aging. So, it's not like Wade had any choice other than give the team to him. Wade's durability and LeBron being better are the main reasons why he had to sacrifice. If he wasn't injury prone, then he would perform better. But I think he would've "sacrifice" and ensure LeBron that it's his team regardless.

I think he's right that not many great players with egos would give the team up, but not many players team up like that in their prime. I know Kareem, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Jerry West, and Shaq to some extent gave the ok to give the team up on the top of my head. But most of them were heading out of their prime, just like Wade had. Both are important to the Heat. They both lead the team both on/off the court.

With that said, I still feel like Miami Heat fans would think it's Wade's franchise and LeBron's team. Wade was in Miami first, brought a ring when they were the underdogs, then they sucked, and then Wade entertain them with his peak. So, he's been there longer. Kind'a like how Dr. J was basically the face of the franchise with the 76ers, but Moses Malone was the best player on the team.

But there are more LeBron fans in the world than they are Miami Heat fans.

[kentatm]

his sacrifice is ****ing up my fantasy squad.

:mad:

[PickernRoller]

We all know why Wade and Bosh took a back seat and sacrificed their all-star numbers for Lebron.

We were all witness of the mutiny committed by Lebron during the 11' Finals.

The biggest narcissist in the history of the sport, consumed by his egotism and egoism refused to allow Wade receive a FMVP trophy while he was around. We all know what the implications were. Lebron a shadow of Wade, a Pippen, a beta, never an alpha, Wade's team.

So what does the self-consumed, stat-whore Lebron does? Refuses to shoot. Refused to brick shots and make a ridicule of his mid-range game for all of us to see. Lebron becomes the invisible man. Lebron betrays the trust of his teammates and most of all, back-stabs Wade.

And so it came the lock-out season, in an already weak-era in which Lebron finally triumphed in an evil fashion by forcing Wade and Bosh to sacrifice their numbers for the sake of his. Mr. Empty stats is one of the most selfish players ever. A known ballhog whose only game benefits at the expense of others. Look at Wade's numbers, Bosh numbers, Mo's number while with the Cavs. Numbers don't lie........

The worst Finals performer of all time is a disgrace to the sport. Thank god we still have players like Wade, Kobe, Dirk, and Duncan around to represent the sport like it should.

[cos88]

wade is just a better human being than kobe. better teammate, person, father, husband than kobe. the good guy, the role model, the ideal friend. someone u can trust, he is always there for u and feels happy for your succes even if he fails

[Bandito]

Creating a thread where you indoctrinate 15-20 of my posts and adding some other stuff into a 1500 word essay to whine about me certainly doesnt sound like me.... neither does randomly insulting other posters either...... you are perfectly right....

As far as me being a Lebron stan, i love Lebrons game, if that means "Lebron stan" then so be it, if its a crime for you, then so be it aswell.... i just dont think that is a bad thing as long as i am objective, rational and factual.... and ofcourse respectful towards other posters.... We indeed have many differences huh?You tend to put other players down to prop up Lebron and in this thread there is a prime example. But of course I am the one that is wrong.

And all the post that I "indoctrinate" are probably you being stupid and just posting stuff that is clearly wrong about other players in order to put other players down in order to prop up Lebron. Yo are the one with the fame of being a Lebron stan and lover, not me. I am not the one with a million posts and threads proclaiming my love to one player, you are.

Also that thread I made, if you read was not to whine about you but to know if that 'essay' was for real. And it's been a year and you are clearly still butthurt about it. Obsessive much?:lol

Get a life bro. There's life besides Lebron dawg...



And to answer your other info, explain to me how Lebron in the last game, last quarter he was nowhere to be seen? didn't he shot like 7 times a game? I think even Chalmers made more FGA in that game. It doesn't matter what you say, I saw that game and Lebron was just shooked. He was in a state of disbelief. I actually thought he was injured because I even forgot he was playing. He just choked and that was all on him. Not the coach, not Bosh, not Chalmers not anybody on that team but him. Pat Riley had to tell the news that Lebron was not injured in order to prevent him making excuses again. He learned a lot about that no doubt, as he was brilliant in 2012 but let's not pretend and rewrite history that 2011 Finals games was him defering to Wade and what not. Because he sure didn't defer to him against the Celtics or Bulls...

[Bandito]

wade is just a better human being than kobe. better teammate, person, father, husband than kobe. the good guy, the role model, the ideal friend. someone u can trust, he is always there for u and feels happy for your succes even if he fails
Why compare to Kobe though, obsessive much?:lol

[Frozen1]

For all this talk about sacrifice and stuff, i think wade playing a second guy role was a smart basketball move.

Wade came into the league and he had a not so bad team, full of veterans, and he did not have the ball in his hands all the time. He had to learn playing a little off the ball.

Lebron on the other hand, was always the guy, could shoot as much as he wanted and for his whole career he always had the ball, and never had to play like a second guy.

So, in my opinion, Wade is much smarter to get cuts and easy baskets with his movement off the ball than Lebron, so him playing as a second guy with lebron controling the flow is just a smart move.

[CJ Mustard]

Wait...now we're crediting players for "sacrificing" stats for multiple rings? That should be a given for anyone who cares about winning.

If Lebron hadn't come to town and Wade averaged 30 for the next three seasons and got ousted in the first round, his legacy would be MUCH worse off than it is right now. The man has three rings, one as the man and two as a sidekick. How many NBA players in history have done that? If Lebron hadn't come to town, he'd retire with one ring and not much Playoff success after the '06 season and would probably (sadly) be forgotten by most in 10-15 years.

[cos88]

Why compare to Kobe though, obsessive much?:lol

op said kobe in his op :confusedshrug:

[Bandito]

op said kobe in his op :confusedshrug:
I know but that doesn't mean you have to be a troll like him. he's a bonafide troll with no hope, I think you have some hope of not becoming one. I am rooting for you:rockon: not to become one

[cos88]

I know but that doesn't mean you have to be a troll like him. he's a bonafide troll with no hope, I think you have some hope of not becoming one. I am rooting for you:rockon: not to become one

thank you nice xmas in puerto rico ? 28 C / 82 F right now damn, in my country 1 C / 33 F :cry: :cry: :cry:

[305Baller]

Wade > Jesus

[LA_Showtime]

LeBron risked more than Wade. There was no guarantee that Miami would win a championship, despite everyone claiming they were the overwhelming favorites. Had Miami imploded, LeBron's legacy in particular would've taken a huge hit.

Wade, on the other hand, was injury prone and on the downside of his career. It's nice that he was okay with LeBron and Bosh signing with the Heat, but let's stop acting like he's such a selfless guy for sacrificing so much. He didn't even defer his first year after the big three was formed. It wasn't until they got destroyed by Dallas did he decide to hand over the reigns. For Wade, it was a small risk, huge reward situation.

The one guy who has really sacrificed is Bosh. He was widely considered one of the top power forwards in the game and was coming off a 24/10 season. Now he's a widely disrespected third wheel, a guy who many think doesn't deserve the inclusion in the big three.

[Bandito]

thank you nice xmas in puerto rico ? 28 C / 82 F right now damn, in my country 1 C / 33 F :cry: :cry: :cry:
I would probably die there. I can take the cold at all:lol

[poido123]

:cheers:

I think certain Bulls fans are still upset about summer of 2010. They truly thought their hometown kid was going to play for them. Wade's comments about the Bulls organization also didn't help.


I mean, look at the Heat. or the Lakers. Alonzo Mourning works for the Heat office now. Jerry West was Lakers GM, Magic had ownership stake, etc.....

but in 2010, the Bulls had NO TIES to Jordan, Phil Jackson, Pippen, Rodman, nobody. All of them ran off far away from the Bulls and wanted nothing to do with that organization after the run was over, and it wasn't until Wade's comments, that the Bulls made efforts to bring in Scottie back in the fold.

SamuraiSwish is a Bulls fan :biggums:

But I'm sure he appreciates you trashing his fanbase and club after he payed compliment to Wade and your team :oldlol:

[3LiftHeatCurse]

SamuraiSwish is a Bulls fan :biggums:

But I'm sure he appreciates you trashing his fanbase and club after he payed compliment to Wade and your team :oldlol:

Truth is truth. I can't tell a lie just to save someone's feelings.