Jesus was born March 28th

[Nick Young]

Christmas is a Roman manufactured pagan scam. All "Christians" who celebrate it as a religious day are unwittingly following a pagan tradition.

Happy Christmas old sports, and pagans!

[K Xerxes]

Once you starting growing up, shit like this becomes less and less important. Regardless of when Jesus was born, the symbol and intent is all that matters.

I'm an atheist so don't really care either way, but if the Judeo-Christian God does exist, I highly doubt he's going to care about small technicalities like this as long as the celebration and feeling is genuine. So why should you?

[dr.hee]

I'm an atheist...but OP is dumb as a brick.

[gigantes]

jesus was born on whatever day you were born on.

(if you got the memo)

[Nick Young]

Once you starting growing up, shit like this becomes less and less important. Regardless of when Jesus was born, the symbol and intent is all that matters.

I'm an atheist so don't really care either way, but if the Judeo-Christian God does exist, I highly doubt he's going to care about small technicalities like this as long as the celebration and feeling is genuine. So why should you?
If the christian-judeo god did exist, he'd be pissed as hell that modern Christianity and Catholicism has basically amounted to idol worship, atleast based on his characterization in the old and new testament. He'd be pretty close to hitting the reset button again aka Great Flood 2.0. The only people who'd survive it are probably the Coptics and hardcore jews.

[HomieWeMajor]

I agree Alex

[Dresta]

Once you starting growing up, shit like this becomes less and less important. Regardless of when Jesus was born, the symbol and intent is all that matters.

I'm an atheist so don't really care either way, but if the Judeo-Christian God does exist, I highly doubt he's going to care about small technicalities like this as long as the celebration and feeling is genuine. So why should you?
Christmas is bullshit as a holiday and as a religious celebration. Being compelled to spend time with family, buy and receive masses of crap nobody really needs, eat yourself stupid, and be expected to be cheerful, enthusiastic and helpful IS NOT my idea of a good time.

[K Xerxes]

If a god exists, it certainly wouldn't care about being worshiped or recognized.

God can care about what the **** he wants... he's freaking God. He could throw all of us in hell for eternity and laugh at us, and what we gonna do? There's no point in trying to second guess what exactly he wants when none of us are supposedly anywhere near his level.

People make the mistake of thinking that our sane logic has to align with his for any of this to make sense. It doesn't.

[Dresta]

If the christian-judeo god did exist, he'd be pissed as hell that modern Christianity and Catholicism has basically amounted to idol worship, atleast based on his characterization in the old and new testament. He'd be pretty close to hitting the reset button again aka Great Flood 2.0. The only people who'd survive it are probably the Coptics and hardcore jews.
This is completely true. The early Christians were so fanatical about idolatry that they wouldn't even pay a tithe to the Roman Emperor to save themselves from torture and execution :oldlol: .

[Nick Young]

Which was my point. Needing that power is entirely human and completely nonsensical to a supreme being.

"I created everything, but I still have insecurity issues"

Really?
To us some of the stuff God does looks like insecurity. To God though, maybe it's just random whims, like scratching an itch on his ass.

[CeltsGarlic]

Christmas is bullshit as a holiday and as a religious celebration. Being compelled to spend time with family, buy and receive masses of crap nobody really needs, eat yourself stupid, and be expected to be cheerful, enthusiastic and helpful IS NOT my idea of a good time.

Either your family sucks or you are doing it wrong or maybe you are just an awful person.

[Dresta]

Either your family sucks or you are doing it wrong or maybe you are just an awful person.
Thanks for proving my point about the compulsory nature of the thing. 'You ENJOY yourself on Christmas dammit or you are just an awful person' - **** off.

[CelticBaller]

This thread again

[CeltsGarlic]

Thanks for proving my point about the compulsory nature of the thing. 'You ENJOY yourself on Christmas dammit or you are just an awful person' - **** off.

http://ronniehiggins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tumblr_lon5josiZy1qzmr3jo1_500.jpg
???

What I meant is that you are meeting with your family, and just hanging together, what could be wrong about that?

[Dresta]

http://ronniehiggins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tumblr_lon5josiZy1qzmr3jo1_500.jpg
???

What I meant is that you are meeting with your family, and just hanging together, what could be wrong about that?
Because i'd rather be with people i choose to be with rather than those i am compelled to be with. One does not have a choice. Nor do i like compulsory gift-giving: i feel like it defeats the purpose of giving gifts in the first place (thinking someone deserves to have something got for them rather than simply buying gifts and wasting money because of a silly custom). And it's nothing to do with my family, they seem to enjoy Christmas. I just think the whole thing is a stupid waste of time and money.

90% of people would probably dislike me for saying it too, which i think rather adds to my point.

[CeltsGarlic]

Look spending some time with your fam, exchanging some little things helps evryone from economy in short run to your personal life in a long run. Deal with.

[YouGotServed]

Either your family sucks or you are doing it wrong or maybe you are just an awful person.

+1

Dysfunctional family is probably the answer.

[I<3NBA]

and?

[Dresta]

Look spending some time with your fam, exchanging some little things helps evryone from economy in short run to your personal life in a long run. Deal with.
No it doesn't. You just made that up.

Smh where people can think taking a week or more off work and spending a load of money on stuff you don't need makes people wealthier.

Keynesian fallacy alert :facepalm .

[niko]

Why some of you feel the need to post this is beyond me. LOOK, I'M SO CONTRARY AND COOL. I feel bad for those of you who would not choose to be with your family, especially your immediate one. The time i would rather be with some well picked strangers than my wife and kids will be a pretty sad one.

[b1imtf]

June 8th

[Swaggin916]

The Christian Religion is takes from different things... but it is mostly astrological in nature.

[gigantes]

The Christian Religion is takes from different things... but it is mostly astrological in nature.
you mean... uh... metaphorically?


otherwise i know it as being egyptian, judean, zoroastrian, tribal, roman, fiscal, feudal and some other shit, here and there.

[Nick Young]

Why some of you feel the need to post this is beyond me. LOOK, I'M SO CONTRARY AND COOL. I feel bad for those of you who would not choose to be with your family, especially your immediate one. The time i would rather be with some well picked strangers than my wife and kids will be a pretty sad one.
Im a Jew doe.

[CeltsGarlic]

No it doesn't. You just made that up.

Smh where people can think taking a week or more off work and spending a load of money on stuff you don't need makes people wealthier.

Keynesian fallacy alert :facepalm .

Not everyone is buying gifts from best buy or wallmart. You can support little shops or organizations.

I do support some theories from keynes so what?

[CeltsGarlic]

Im a Jew doe.

So it goes.

[K Xerxes]

Christmas is bullshit as a holiday and as a religious celebration. Being compelled to spend time with family, buy and receive masses of crap nobody really needs, eat yourself stupid, and be expected to be cheerful, enthusiastic and helpful IS NOT my idea of a good time.

Compelled? Who's compelling you to do any of this? The only thing you're really compelled to do is take time off work (unless you work on Christmas); other than that, you're free to do what you want. And that includes NOT spending time with family, buying or receiving presents, eating yourself stupid or being cheerful, enthusiastic or helpful.


Which was my point. Needing that power is entirely human and completely nonsensical to a supreme being.

"I created everything, but I still have insecurity issues"

Really?

Why is it nonsensical? Why can't a supreme being have insecurity issues? I don't understand how you're able to impose arbitrary criteria on a supreme being.

Technically, a supreme being only needs to have created the universe to qualify. All the other love, pride and worship jazz could be a lie. So what if they lied? None of this wishy washy crap changes the objective fact that they exist (if they indeed do).

What you may be making the case for is whether a supreme being is worth worshipping with all these apparent human characteristics. That is a separate issue.

[Myth]

Could you imagine if holidays were made just to get society to fall in line and give into governments through consumerism?

[niko]

Im a Jew doe.
You're not posting this because you're a jew, you're posting it to be contrary. Which makes no sense. Who cares? I have family that's jewish, not once have they let everyone know what was wrong with christmas.

Everyone knows Christmas is commercial, but it's fun, you get to be off, spend time with your family. You know, not be a jerk for a day. Posting what's wrong with it just strikes me as uneccesary and pointless.

[kNicKz]

Once you starting growing up, shit like this becomes less and less important. Regardless of when Jesus was born, the symbol and intent is all that matters.

I'm an atheist so don't really care either way, but if the Judeo-Christian God does exist, I highly doubt he's going to care about small technicalities like this as long as the celebration and feeling is genuine. So why should you?

Basically this. OP is a hipster for posting something like this

[Nick Young]

You're not posting this because you're a jew, you're posting it to be contrary. Which makes no sense. Who cares? I have family that's jewish, not once have they let everyone know what was wrong with christmas.

Everyone knows Christmas is commercial, but it's fun, you get to be off, spend time with your family. You know, not be a jerk for a day. Posting what's wrong with it just strikes me as uneccesary and pointless.
I am posting it because I know many "hardcore" christians who think Jesus was born December 25th, and deny the fact when theyre told he wasn't. They also deny that Christmas is a pagan holiday disguised by roman marketing specialists.

I just think it's disturbing that people think they are following a religion and call themselves Christians, and don't know anything about their own religion they claim to love so much. I am hoping that Christians will read this thread and choose to study more about the history of their religion themselves, instead of just follow what the holiday commercials tell them to follow.

Im not a Christian but I hate how corrupted Christianity has become. If Christians actually followed their religious principals how they're supposed to, the world would be a much better place.

[gigantes]

Could you imagine if holidays were made just to get society to fall in line and give into governments through consumerism?
and here's a dirty little secret that few are brave enough to entertain: it isn't some illuminati or NWO bullshit behind all that... it's the consumers themselves.

somewhat firmly guided by the hand of the ad industry, of course... which itself rose from... the consumers.

[HarryCallahan]

No it doesn't. You just made that up.

Smh where people can think taking a week or more off work and spending a load of money on stuff you don't need makes people wealthier.

Keynesian fallacy alert :facepalm .

They really should be spending $!00,000 a year on a university degree to get indoctrinated with that stuff up their "earning potential"

[HarryCallahan]

Could you imagine if holidays were made just to get society to fall in line and give into governments through consumerism?

How did modern governments create Christmas, and how is celebrating it giving in to them?

I can certainly see governments trying to bleed Christmas for all it's worth with thing like fighter jets guiding santa's sleigh on the norad tracker, sales taxes etc.

[Dresta]

Compelled? Who's compelling you to do any of this? The only thing you're really compelled to do is take time off work (unless you work on Christmas); other than that, you're free to do what you want. And that includes NOT spending time with family, buying or receiving presents, eating yourself stupid or being cheerful, enthusiastic or helpful.


Family obligation, asshole.

[Dresta]

Not everyone is buying gifts from best buy or wallmart. You can support little shops or organizations.

I do support some theories from keynes so what?
What has Walmart got to do with anything?

Damn, get a grip :lol

[K Xerxes]

Family obligation, asshole.

I'll bite the bullet and say you're older than 16... your family don't have to force you to do anything you don't want. And if they do, you can alert the authorities. You're your own man dude, live the life. Next Christmas, lock yourself in the basement and have the time of your life.

Oh wait, you don't want to be cheerful or enthusiastic... so, um, just be angry doing whatever you want. :cheers:

[Dresta]

I'll bite the bullet and say you're older than 16... your family don't have to force you to do anything you don't want. And if they do, you can alert the authorities. You're your own man dude, live the life. Next Christmas, lock yourself in the basement and have the time of your life.

Oh wait, you don't want to be cheerful or enthusiastic... so, um, just be angry doing whatever you want. :cheers:
Look at you talking down to me you stupid piece of shit.

I think the negs in this thread prove my point about societal pressure to enjoy Christmas, especially if you have family obligations:

Jesus was born March 28th 12-26-2013 06:38 PM what a fukking loser. get a life

Jesus was born March 28th 12-26-2013 04:46 PM Red bar for the Christmas hater!
Jesus was born March 28th 12-26-2013 03:46 PM

People don't like someone who doesn't enjoy Christmas. It is something you can't ****ing avoid doing.

[Dresta]

No, people don't like a smug loser regurgitating pointless and archaic nonsense as if he's dropping knowledge. Nothing you said was of potency.

MY FAMILY WANTS TO LOVE ME! WOW. STOP IT.
I just laid out the truth. Why's that 'regurgitating pointless and archaic nonsense'? Because you don't like it? Why're you so angry?

Please, stop with the mindless bullshit: nothing you say really makes any sense or has any relevance.

[ROCSteady]

If the christian-judeo god did exist, he'd be pissed as hell that modern Christianity and Catholicism has basically amounted to idol worship, atleast based on his characterization in the old and new testament. He'd be pretty close to hitting the reset button again aka Great Flood 2.0. The only people who'd survive it are probably the Coptics and hardcore jews.

I like facts so I wish more people who celebrated Christmas knew the premise of this thread so :applause: for that. However, nailing down the exact date is way more ambiguous than you're making it

As for the bolded, that's an erroneous opinion as the simple notion of the Holy Trinity. I won't argue with you on the Catholics as the whole Saints thing comes off as idolatry to me too.

Worshiping just Jesus is not idolatry in the sin format as its the same as worshipping God because of the Holy Trinity

[Nick Young]

I like facts so I wish more people who celebrated Christmas knew the premise of this thread so :applause: for that.

As for the bolded, that's an erroneous opinion as the simple notion of the Holy Trinity. I won't argue with you on the Catholics as the whole Saints thing comes off as idolatry to me too.

Worshiping just Jesus is not idolatry in the sin format as its the same as worshipping God because of the Holy Trinity
The statues of jesus in every church and crosses people pray to is idolatry.

[MadeFromDust]

If the christian-judeo god did exist, he'd be pissed as hell that modern Christianity and Catholicism has basically amounted to idol worship, atleast based on his characterization in the old and new testament. He'd be pretty close to hitting the reset button again aka Great Flood 2.0. The only people who'd survive it are probably the Coptics and hardcore jews.
Hardcore Jews (aka Pharisees and Saducees) led to the "diaspora" after Christ was crucified (and rose again). It may have been another great act of wrath/judgment on a global scale.

[MadeFromDust]

Christmas is a Roman manufactured pagan scam. All "Christians" who celebrate it as a religious day are unwittingly following a pagan tradition.

Happy Christmas old sports, and pagans!
At least lay out some reasons you make this statement, i.e. verses of Scripture to show when the time of taxing and census occurred in Roman territories, when the shepherds would be out in the fields, occurrence of Jewish holidays around the time of the virgin birth of Jesus, etc. And put it in terms of the Hebrew calendar too.

[ROCSteady]

The statues of jesus in every church and crosses people pray to is idolatry.

:wtf: Semantics aside, there is nothing sinful in Christian ideology for praying in the presence of a symbol or representation of Jesus. You're reaching with this assessment. If you're using scripture or an interpretation of the Bible for support of your statement, either cite that or I'm just assuming you're twisting words and forcing a contradiction the way some Christians force words of the Bible as justification of their own selfish cause.

Both instances are bad looks

[KeylessEntry]

Look at you talking down to me you stupid piece of shit.

I think the negs in this thread prove my point about societal pressure to enjoy Christmas, especially if you have family obligations:

Jesus was born March 28th 12-26-2013 06:38 PM what a fukking loser. get a life

Jesus was born March 28th 12-26-2013 04:46 PM Red bar for the Christmas hater!
Jesus was born March 28th 12-26-2013 03:46 PM

People don't like someone who doesn't enjoy Christmas. It is something you can't ****ing avoid doing.

You sure that people arent negging you because you are an insufferable debbie downer? No, the truth must be that "people dont like someone who doesnt enjoy christmas". The negs prove it! :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

:wtf: Semantics aside, there is nothing sinful in Christian ideology for praying in the presence of a symbol or representation of Jesus. You're reaching with this assessment. If you're using scripture or an interpretation of the Bible for support of your statement, either cite that or I'm just assuming you're twisting words and forcing a contradiction the way some Christians force words of the Bible as justification of their own selfish cause.

Both instances are bad looks
It isn't semantics. There is no denying, under the old testament definition of idolatry, that modern christians bowing down to statues and crucifixes and praying infront of them is idolatry.

The original Christians would have you guys condemned to hell as sinners if they saw the shit modern Christians got up to in church.

True Christianity is a religion of fervent zealotry. Learn the history of the fist 700 years of Christianity or so to see the true uncorrupted religion.

[Nick Young]

At least lay out some reasons you make this statement, i.e. verses of Scripture to show when the time of taxing and census occurred in Roman territories, when the shepherds would be out in the fields, occurrence of Jewish holidays around the time of the virgin birth of Jesus, etc. And put it in terms of the Hebrew calendar too.

What Christmas started from:

A. Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

B. The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).

C. In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2]

D. The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.

E. Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.

F. The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.”[3] Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681.[4] However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.

G. Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”[5]



Pagan practices still practiced by modern Christians:

A. The Origin of Christmas Tree
Just as early Christians recruited Roman pagans by associating Christmas with the Saturnalia, so too worshippers of the Asheira cult and its offshoots were recruited by the Church sanctioning “Christmas Trees”.[7] Pagans had long worshipped trees in the forest, or brought them into their homes and decorated them, and this observance was adopted and painted with a Christian veneer by the Church.

B. The Origin of Mistletoe
Norse mythology recounts how the god Balder was killed using a mistletoe arrow by his rival god Hoder while fighting for the female Nanna. Druid rituals use mistletoe to poison their human sacrificial victim.[8] The Christian custom of “kissing under the mistletoe” is a later synthesis of the sexual license of Saturnalia with the Druidic sacrificial cult.[9]

C. The Origin of Christmas Presents
In pre-Christian Rome, the emperors compelled their most despised citizens to bring offerings and gifts during the Saturnalia (in December) and Kalends (in January). Later, this ritual expanded to include gift-giving among the general populace. The Catholic Church gave this custom a Christian flavor by re-rooting it in the supposed gift-giving of Saint Nicholas (see below).[10]



The date of Christmas:

I. When was Jesus born?

A. Popular myth puts his birth on December 25th in the year 1 C.E.

B. The New Testament gives no date or year for Jesus’ birth. The earliest gospel – St. Mark’s, written about 65 CE – begins with the baptism of an adult Jesus. This suggests that the earliest Christians lacked interest in or knowledge of Jesus’ birthdate.

C. The year of Jesus birth was determined by Dionysius Exiguus, a Scythian monk, “abbot of a Roman monastery. His calculation went as follows:

a. In the Roman, pre-Christian era, years were counted from ab urbe condita (“the founding of the City” [Rome]). Thus 1 AUC signifies the year Rome was founded, 5 AUC signifies the 5th year of Rome’s reign, etc.

b. Dionysius received a tradition that the Roman emperor Augustus reigned 43 years, and was followed by the emperor Tiberius.

c. Luke 3:1,23 indicates that when Jesus turned 30 years old, it was the 15th year of Tiberius reign.

d. If Jesus was 30 years old in Tiberius’ reign, then he lived 15 years under Augustus (placing Jesus birth in Augustus’ 28th year of reign).

e. Augustus took power in 727 AUC. Therefore, Dionysius put Jesus birth in 754 AUC.

f. However, Luke 1:5 places Jesus’ birth in the days of Herod, and Herod died in 750 AUC – four years before the year in which Dionysius places Jesus birth.

D. Joseph A. Fitzmyer – Professor Emeritus of Biblical Studies at the Catholic University of America, member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, and former president of the Catholic Biblical Association – writing in the Catholic Church’s official commentary on the New Testament[1], writes about the date of Jesus’ birth, “Though the year [of Jesus birth is not reckoned with certainty, the birth did not occur in AD 1. The Christian era, supposed to have its starting point in the year of Jesus birth, is based on a miscalculation introduced ca. 533 by Dionysius Exiguus.”

E. The DePascha Computus, an anonymous document believed to have been written in North Africa around 243 CE, placed Jesus birth on March 28. Clement, a bishop of Alexandria (d. ca. 215 CE), thought Jesus was born on November 18. Based on historical records, Fitzmyer guesses that Jesus birth occurred on September 11, 3 BCE.


http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm

[Ass Dan]

Christmas is a Roman manufactured pagan scam. All "Christians" who celebrate it as a religious day are unwittingly following a pagan tradition.

Happy Christmas old sports, and pagans!

Look at you with your Google machine all hooked up to the wifi!!!

Go now, uncover more shams, enlighten us and be the cult leader Russell Brand was meant to be.

[Dresta]

You sure that people arent negging you because you are an insufferable debbie downer? No, the truth must be that "people dont like someone who doesnt enjoy christmas". The negs prove it! :oldlol:
Right, and that just proves my point again. If you say you don't like Christmas that makes you 'an insufferable debbie downer.'

If you don't enjoy Christmas you are a 'grinch' - the whole thing is both bigoted and intolerant, and i can't see how you can deny that society disapproves of such people for not conforming, as if it somehow tempers their own joy.

[KeylessEntry]

Right, and that just proves my point again. If you say you don't like Christmas that makes you 'an insufferable debbie downer.'

If you don't enjoy Christmas you are a 'grinch' - the whole thing is both bigoted and intolerant, and i can't see how you can deny that society disapproves of such people for not conforming, as if it somehow tempers their own joy.


you are an insufferable debbie downer in every single thread. you are a contrarian just to be contrary. you resort to insults in 90% of your posts, calling other posters moron or idiot whenever someone disagrees with you.

nobody likes you, thats why you get negged. its not about your dislike of christmas, its because you do stupid shit like whining about how things like "family obligation" are so unfair in a thread where the topic is the fact that christmas is a repurposed pagan holiday.

[Dresta]

you are an insufferable debbie downer in every single thread. you are a contrarian just to be contrary. you throw insults in 90% of your posts, calling other posters moron or idiot whenever someone disagrees with you.

nobody likes you, thats why you get negged. its not about your dislike of christmas, its because you are repeatedly whining about how things like "family obligation" are so unfair in a thread where the topic is the fact that christmas is a repurposed pagan holiday.
I was in the green before this thread so you're clearly full of shit.

And you obviously have not followed this thread. I simply said i do not like Christmas as a holiday or a religious celebration (because i find what people do on Christmas to be inane and boring), and that it is annoying you can't really escape the thing, only to be lambasted by a bunch of angry Christmas lovers. It is not being 'a contrarian just to be contrary' to state what one thinks. That is just another way of patronising to death the opinions of people who don't agree with the majority, and holds no validity as an argument whatsoever.

I wasn't whining at all either, simply responding to people. THAT is an insult, and an insult lacking substance at that; so for you to get all on your high horse about me throwing insults is ****ing hilarious. I count 4 clear insults in your post btw, in fact, it is pretty much only insults. What a ****ing hypocrite you are.

[KeylessEntry]

I was in the green before this thread so you're clearly full of shit.

And you obviously have not followed this thread. I simply said i do not like Christmas as a holiday or a religious celebration (because i find what people do on Christmas to be inane and boring), and that it is annoying you can't really escape the thing, only to be lambasted by a bunch of angry Christmas lovers. It is not being 'a contrarian just to be contrary' to state what one thinks. That is just another way of patronising to death the opinions of people who don't agree with the majority, and holds no validity as an argument whatsoever.

I wasn't whining at all either, simply responding to people. THAT is an insult, and an insult lacking substance at that; so for you to get all on your high horse about me throwing insults is ****ing hilarious. I count 4 clear insults in your post btw, in fact, it is pretty much only insults. What a ****ing hypocrite you are.

:oldlol:

You are a whiney little contrarian bitch in just about every thread you post in. For fvcks sake, you are the guy who argues for pages and pages that cigarettes are not harmful.

I never claimed that I dont insult other posters, I simply pointed out that you do it in every single post that you make. Explain how exactly does insulting you make me a hypocrite? You stupid motherfvcker, unlike when you throw insults, I am not insulting because I disagree with what you are saying, I am insulting you because I dislike you as a poster.

[CeltsGarlic]

:oldlol:

You are a whiney little contrarian bitch in just about every thread you post in. For fvcks sake, you are the guy who argues for pages and pages that cigarettes are not harmful.


Well, in moderation they can give great temporary pleasure. Thats the way I like 'em.

[Dresta]

You are a whiney little contrarian bitch in just about every thread you post in. For fvcks sake, you are the guy who argues for pages and pages that cigarettes are not harmful.

I never claimed that I dont insult other posters, I simply pointed out that you do it in every single post that you make. Explain how exactly does insulting you make me a hypocrite? you stupid motherfvcker. :oldlol:
I never did that, not even once, and i never would. Why do you keep making things up about me? Are you seriously that much of a loser that you cannot discuss things without blatantly lying about what the other person is saying? No, i don't throw insults in every post: plenty of discussions on here have been relatively civil, just not with people like you who lie about what i say, and others who are incapable of constructing a relevant argument. And yes, it is hypocritical to whine about insults (which you have done multiple times), and then throw them around yourself, not just as an aside, but as the main component of your post.

Another couple of insults and two lies, congrats :applause: .

What an amazing poster you are.

Btw, just to let you know, calling someone 'a little whiney contrarian bitch' does not make you opinions any more valid, and doesn't constitute a legitimate argument or refutation. If you are going to insult someone then you should at least justify yourself with an argument of some sort.

[ROCSteady]

It isn't semantics. There is no denying, under the old testament definition of idolatry, that modern christians bowing down to statues and crucifixes and praying infront of them is idolatry.

The original Christians would have you guys condemned to hell as sinners if they saw the shit modern Christians got up to in church.

True Christianity is a religion of fervent zealotry. Learn the history of the fist 700 years of Christianity or so to see the true uncorrupted religion.

I guess in all your detailed historical education of religions you have painstakingly studied and found holes in, you couldn't ever find the disciplined effort within yourself to not lump people in a category or ASSume things about people from a point of view.

I do not identify as a Christian, I did not even go to church on Christmas with the rest of my family. I guess you boxed my posts into some position that I must be some church-goer because I don't consider those who pray to Jesus, in whatever form or representation as an idolator. A lot of wisdom you show:rolleyes: in the midst of exposing all those 'dummies' who go to church and believe with all their heart they have one True God :lol GTFO here like only non-believers are educated about history and theology.

[K Xerxes]

Look at you talking down to me you stupid piece of shit.

I think the negs in this thread prove my point about societal pressure to enjoy Christmas, especially if you have family obligations:

Jesus was born March 28th 12-26-2013 06:38 PM what a fukking loser. get a life

Jesus was born March 28th 12-26-2013 04:46 PM Red bar for the Christmas hater!
Jesus was born March 28th 12-26-2013 03:46 PM

People don't like someone who doesn't enjoy Christmas. It is something you can't ****ing avoid doing.

My man, why are you so mad? It's just the internet, no need to get so aggressive.

[Fresh Kid]

God iz not happy with this thread:coleman:

[Dresta]

My man, why are you so mad? It's just the internet, no need to get so aggressive.
I'm not mad. People are mad at me for disliking Christmas and i'm simply defending myself from the hate :lol .

Another:

Jesus was born March 28th 12-27-2013 02:01 PM Christmas is the GOAT holiday. GTFO

It's not my fault i don't like Christmas; why y'all being so bigoted? It is clear that i am right, and KeylessEntry is full of shit (again). Bash Christmas and reap the whirlwind; it is what i said i don't like about Christmas, and this thread has proven me right. People actually view not liking Christmas as a character flaw, and that's pretty ridiculous.

[ROCSteady]

Yea it's a little presumptive to try and pinpoint an exact date for the birth of Christ. We can confidently deduce by description that it was late Spring/ early Summer from what I'm aware of, I'm no expert tho

[MadeFromDust]

At the end, nobody alive today really know the exact date of Jesus' birthday.

We just choose to celebrate on December 25th.
Haven't seen an exact date, because we go by a completely different calendar. But the times of the Jewish feasts are the same today as they were in ancient times according to the Hebrew calendar. So if someone would look up the references to the feasts around the time of His virgin birth, and line it up with the times that a general census would occur in Roman history, then a good understanding could be had.

[MadeFromDust]

OP may be right about one issue, but falls in another way. The New Testament says not to judge anyone based on their observance (or lack thereof) of a holiday.

Just a little excerpt from the greatest book ever written...

Colossians Chapter 2, verses 8-19
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.


Read it and weep.

That passage excerpt right there takes care of both points OP brought, and puts them in the light of the big picture: Judging others' observation of a holiday; and what the Catholics do, i.e. bowing down to man-made statues, recite insincere, memorized, repetitive "prayers", and worshipping angels, saints, Mary, etc.

[kNIOKAS]

Lets talk whether this was GOAT sham or was Jesus biggest alpha. That's what gets Nick Yong going.