Explain to me why Lebron James isn't the unanimous MVP so far

[Jameerthefear]

see a lot of people putting KD and shit. tell me your reasoning. (serious thread)

[Twiens]

Similar stats
Better record
Worse teammates

Easy

[NumberSix]

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[Jameerthefear]

Similar stats to who? Is there another perimeter player shooting close to 60%?

[BasedTom]

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He wasn't even player of the game. Wade and Bosh both played better during that game.

An MVP award for one day where the majority of the league isn't even playing? Is there even an actual trophy for that award? I wonder if there's going to be a Dr.Martin Luther King Day MVP award and a Groundhog Day MVP too

[reppy]

Jameer is back!



Anyway, Durant has as good a case as anyone. His team is kicking ass in the tougher Western conference and is the best player on his team.

LeBron is gettin' it done too, so I'm not taking anything away from him.

[Ca$H]

see a lot of people putting KD and shit. tell me your reasoning. (serious thread)

Shaq-1 Iverson-1 Why should Shaq get penalized but not LeBron?

[Illuminati]

Jameer is back!



Anyway, Durant has as good a case as anyone. His team is kicking ass in the tougher Western conference and is the best player on his team.

LeBron is gettin' it done too, so I'm not taking anything away from him.

All 6 of Miami's losses are from East teams. If Miami was in the West, they'd be kicking ass too.

The only case Durant has right now is a better record.

[Jameerthefear]

Jameer is back!



Anyway, Durant has as good a case as anyone. His team is kicking ass in the tougher Western conference and is the best player on his team.

LeBron is gettin' it done too, so I'm not taking anything away from him.
Yep :D
I think that the matchup between the two teams is going to be big in the voting, however I don't see how he isn't the outright best atm. Voters fatigue I'd say. I wouldn't be mad if KD won though.

[JBrizzy]

I don't think there is a clear cut MVP. There's a few players playing great.

To answer your question why he isn't the unanimous MVP, well if one person anywhere thinks someone else is more deserving than technically it's not unanimous.

[Mr. Jabbar]

he was top 5 in the race but with dat xmas mvp, you gotta go with bran

[reppy]

All 6 of Miami's losses are from East teams. If Miami was in the West, they'd be kicking ass too.

The only case Durant has right now is a better record.

What about strength of schedule? OKC's is ranked 8th, whereas Miami's is ranked 25th.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, OKC's schedule has been tougher so far.

Regardless, it's still really close. I won't be upset or surprised if LeBron wins again.

[NumberSix]

If there was a player with LeBron's numbers other than LeBron, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

[Jameerthefear]

If there was a player with LeBron's numbers other than LeBron, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
Good point.

[fpliii]

Shaq-1 Iverson-1 Why should Shaq get penalized but not LeBron?

I'm as big a Shaq fan as you'll find, but feuding with Kobe in 00-01 sealed his fate:

[QUOTE="Shaq"]When the dog is fed, he

[Scholar]

Not sure, but I bet OP thinks the reasoning has something to do with Anthony Davis' dick.

[AintNoSunshine]

Sorry Jameer, I can't..

[Jameerthefear]

Not sure, but I bet OP thinks the reasoning has something to do with Anthony Davis' dick.
i think you guys misinterpreted the meaning of that thread. AD is fvcking ugly. Curry on the other hand...

[Jameerthefear]

Sorry Jameer, I can't..
y?

[NumberSix]

y?
Because there is no legitimate reason.

[ABfor3]

The stats LeBron is putting up are out of this world, he's clear cut for MVP.. I don't think there's any discussion at this point.

[NumberSix]

Is there anyone who honestly thinks Cris Paul is a legit MVP contender?

[ABfor3]

Is there anyone who honestly thinks Cris Paul is a legit MVP contender?
No, cliff Paul has more of a chance winning then he does.http://hoopeduponline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/cliff-paul-e1356463855698.jpg

[AintNoSunshine]

Because there is no legitimate reason.


Yeah

[ripthekik]

jameer :facepalm

[kamil]

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http://memecrunch.com/meme/HH73/lebron-s-stupid-celebration/image.png

[Jameerthefear]

jameer :facepalm
???

[Marchesk]

Why does FG% trump everything else? How about taking stats in context? Lebron's in a great position to be very efficient. Looks like the entire starting Heat team is set up to be efficient.

[knicksman]

Shaq-1 Iverson-1 Why should Shaq get penalized but not LeBron?

The world is full of people with average to below average IQ

[Nash]

Also people shouldn't forget that Lebron has Wade taking off a bunch of games every month.

[I<3NBA]

because fk him, we're tired of him winning MVPs.

[leMVP]

He's in his own universe right now, perimeter player shootin' 60% and putting 25 ppg??? and shootin' 42% from 3s while leading his team every night to top 3 record in the league while playing less minutes than his other competitors?

That's madness!!!!

[Doranku]

Durant has been better and it's really not close. Better numbers. better team record... how is this even an argument?

Because LeBron cherry picks every shot he takes and shoots a high %? Give me a break. That style of play hurt him in the finals against the Spurs because when a team took away the few spots that he deems worthy to shoot from, he was like a lost puppy out there.

Almost cost Miami ANOTHER ring, but luckily he's playing on the most stacked team in the league and had Ray Allen bail his ass out.

[Lebron23]

Durant has been better and it's really not close. Better numbers. better team record... how is this even an argument?

Because LeBron cherry picks every shot he takes and shoots a high %? Give me a break. That style of play hurt him in the finals against the Spurs because when a team took away the few spots that he deems worthy to shoot from, he was like a lost puppy out there.

Almost cost Miami ANOTHER ring, but luckily he's playing on the most stacked team in the league and had Ray Allen bail his ass out.


Are you an idiot?? The spurs shutdown all of the star players in the western conference. You might as well check the FG% of Gasol, Randolph, and Curry against them.


Durant was also leading the MVP race in the first half of the season until Lebron outplayed him in their head to head matchup, and Lebron had a great run at the end of the season.

[Doranku]

Are you an idiot?? The spurs shutdown all of the star players in the western conference. You might as well check the FG% of Gasol, Randolph, and Curry against them.


Durant was also leading the MVP race in the first half of the season until Lebron outplayed him in their head to head matchup, and Lebron had a great run at the end of the season.
:roll:

[Lebron23]

:roll:

Marc Gasol.

[RidonKs]

i think it's time to spread it around. he's still the best in the league but that's not the sole criteria for MVP and never has been.

he's won every accolade under the sun and two championships now, so he's taking it easy during the regular season. for whoever used it above, cherry picking actually is the right word but it's not a bad thing. his entire game is very selective this season, choosing his spots wisely because he knows he can. he's taking fewer shots than he ever has in his career. playing fewer minutes than he ever has in his career. numbers are down across the board. and the team keeps winning so who gives a fk?


unless he goes on some ridiculous tear, they'll probably look elsewhere. durant is the obvious choice, and paul george will get mentioned, but i might be inclined to give it to cp3 if that team wins 55+. he's in a tough situation imo. that whole team just lacks fire... apart from barnes and maybe dj this year. the bench is now among the very worst in the league with reddick out and crawford starting. griffin still has a lot to prove.

and because its his 3rd year there, without even sniffing the conference finals, the organization is wrestless. he's played with a huge chip on his shoulder all season, sometimes watching him it feels like he just puts the team on his shoulders. partly just perception cuz we aren't used to seeing him score so much but still. those last two losses must have absolutely destroyed him.


so there's your explanation.

[Ken_Masters]

Similar stats
Better record
Worse teammates

Easy

This

[Ken_Masters]

Similar stats to who? Is there another perimeter player shooting close to 60%?

Wade and Bosh are also shooting over 50 percent. James is shooting that percentage because his team is stacked and no one can be double teamed, which makes the feat less impressive.

[Fudge]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/HH73/lebron-s-stupid-celebration/image.png
That's fcking hilarious. :oldlol:

[dunksby]

Kevin Durant.

[Fudge]

Kevin Durant.
And this is why.

Because Kevin Durant.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kevin Durant.

You mean the Kevin Durant that LeBron wipes his ass with every time they play? :oldlol: I can't wait for LeBron to roll into hick ass OKC again and steal KD's MVP hype again

[SilkkTheShocker]

Durant has been better and it's really not close. Better numbers. better team record... how is this even an argument?

Because LeBron cherry picks every shot he takes and shoots a high %? Give me a break. That style of play hurt him in the finals against the Spurs because when a team took away the few spots that he deems worthy to shoot from, he was like a lost puppy out there.

Almost cost Miami ANOTHER ring, but luckily he's playing on the most stacked team in the league and had Ray Allen bail his ass out.

Wade in the 2013 playoffs: 15ppg (hurt)

Bosh in the 2013 playoffs: 12ppg and destroyed on defense all postseason

Reggie Miller called them the "Miami Cavaliers" at one point

STACKED :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

Durant would be my choice right now, but it's basically a toss up between him and Durant.

Nobody else has any argument. Not Paul George, not CP3, and definitely not LMA.

I hope Durant gets it, but my guess is that Lebron gets it again this year if things stay the same.

[Fudge]

Silkk catching feelings so quick doe. :roll: Awwww

[Solefade]

lebron's gotta have a way better season this year than he did previous years. the only way to overcome voter fatigue.

[inclinerator]

Why does FG% trump everything else? How about taking stats in context? Lebron's in a great position to be very efficient. Looks like the entire starting Heat team is set up to be efficient.
so does durant, he has ibaka, westbrook, perkins, jackson, lamb
plus he's a better shooter, he should be hitting those open jumpers

[funnystuff]

If there was a player with LeBron's numbers other than LeBron, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
This. This. This. This.

[branslowski]

Durant has been better and it's really not close. Better numbers. better team record... how is this even an argument?

Because LeBron cherry picks every shot he takes and shoots a high %? Give me a break. That style of play hurt him in the finals against the Spurs because when a team took away the few spots that he deems worthy to shoot from, he was like a lost puppy out there.

Almost cost Miami ANOTHER ring, but luckily he's playing on the most stacked team in the league and had Ray Allen bail his ass out.

Truth.com:applause:

Would also like to add that Durant has been more dominant in games this year, while LeBron can finish games with 18 and 20pts with 6reb 7ast (Rondo, Kidd numbers) but cherry pick fgs and shoot 6/9 and media swears he's the next coming of Christ.

Durant has 7 30-5-5 type games compared to LeBron's 3....Durant murdering Bron in ppg and rebounds, and most importantly he's playing in a stronger conference. This isn't even debatable really.

[All Net]

With Westbrook out chances are Miami gets better record than thunder. And record could be the deciding factor.

[Mass Debator]

With Westbrook out chances are Miami gets better record than thunder. And record could be the deciding factor.
Pretty much this. The record should be the deciding factor between the two.

[jrong]

OKC has the best record, and KD's numbers are within range. If he can keep them winning without Russ, then he should nose out ahead even further.

Also LeBron isn't dominant this year, except in the sense that efficiency can work as a form of dominance. He's playing great team ball, but his numbers are lower, (particularly when Wade plays-- over their last 10 games, James is averaging 24 ppg on the strength of that 38 pt game without Wade, while Wade is at 23 ppg) so it is what it is.

As far as James shooting 60%, Wade is shooting 55%, so let's not pretend like Heat shooting percentages aren't juiced. Wade and James didn't bump their shooting by five and ten percentage points from their pre-Decision 50% norms (which were still great) based on improvement alone. It has a lot to do with the team they're on, and the kind of looks they get as a result. Hell, inefficient players like Harden and Westbrook could probably shoot close to 50% on the Heat.