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IamRAMBO24
12-27-2013, 03:43 AM
Ok let's take 2 scenarios:

1. Person A wants to be liked. He is always nice to everybody at work. He makes sure he says hi and he is willing to give out a helping hand when someone needs him to. He likes all employees because he finds something special in everybody. Whenever there is drama in the work place, he tries to avoid them and never confronts anyone straight on because he is afraid of the bad vibe that might come out of it.

2. Person B doesn't care to be liked. If he finds fault in another employee he will speak his mind and he can care less if that employee ends up hating him because he knows he is right. He finds other employees to be riddled with flaws and he's not afraid to showcase his disgust. He doesn't do this in a hostile manner, but he can find ways to engage management and sometimes he might just ignore them on a personal level, but still speak to them on a professional level. He is a professional; he cares about his work, so other employees who don't take him seriously might not like him very much.

1987_Lakers
12-27-2013, 03:55 AM
Person B seems like an asshole, pretty sure he is not respected.

Jameerthefear
12-27-2013, 03:56 AM
liked

IamRAMBO24
12-27-2013, 04:35 AM
Person B seems like an asshole, pretty sure he is not respected.

He is respected because he takes his job serioulsy. Pointing out the flaws in other people's work performance is not seen as a d*ck move by him because he cares about his job.

ace23
12-27-2013, 04:36 AM
Paid

EnoughSaid
12-27-2013, 04:44 AM
Just be nice to people. Speak your mind when it's necessary and stand up if you don't agree. But don't go out of your way to try to act superior or like somebody owes you something. You won't get respect and people will just plain dislike you.

miller-time
12-27-2013, 05:18 AM
He is respected because he takes his job serioulsy. Pointing out the flaws in other people's work performance is not seen as a d*ck move by him because he cares about his job.

His job performance might be respected but that doesn't mean he is a respected human being. There is more to gaining respect than taking your job seriously. Also hiding disgust and ignoring people on a personal level will tend to take away from whatever level of respect the person has obtained from their work. Unless the company is completely run by people with sociopathy then this type of behavior could be a hindrance at some point.

Person A might get tread on occasionally but as long as they are competent at their job then I don't see much of an issue as far as their place in the work environment. And they will garner respect for being a decent human being.

IamRAMBO24
12-27-2013, 05:24 AM
Be honest, you are person b and actually think your dick ways make you respected and not loathed.

I don't see how it is a d*ck move when someone is serious about their job. Sure person B might be a bit anti-social on a personal level, but he takes his job seriously, so how can anyone other than small people disrespect him for that? Isn't that the point of work, y'know, to actually do your job?

IamRAMBO24
12-27-2013, 05:27 AM
His job performance might be respected but that doesn't mean he is a respected human being. There is more to gaining respect than taking your job seriously. Also hiding disgust and ignoring people on a personal level will tend to take away from whatever level of respect the person has obtained from their work. Unless the company is completely run by people with sociopathy then this type of behavior could be a hindrance at some point.

Person A might get tread on occasionally but as long as they are competent at their job then I don't see much of an issue as far as their place in the work environment. And they will garner respect for being a decent human being.

Person A takes a beating from a personal level but he never speaks up about it because he cares too much about engaging in conflicts since it'll make him less liked. Management actually sees this as a roadblock towards a promotion because they view him as being too weak to stand up for himself, let alone stand up against the whole crew if he was ever in that position.

East_Stone_Ya
12-27-2013, 05:27 AM
Be honest, you are person b and actually think your dick ways make you respected and not loathed.

i tought OP was person b as well

Bandito
12-27-2013, 06:15 AM
Neither as they are both chumps in thheir own way.

niko
12-27-2013, 10:18 AM
Person A will probably last longer at the job than B. People will be looking for ways constantly to get rid of B. Your premise is kind of flawed, it assumes B is respected. I don't think that's the case necessarily.

dr.hee
12-27-2013, 10:25 AM
i tought OP was person b as well

Right on...http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320227

:sleeping

Jailblazers7
12-27-2013, 10:31 AM
Ok let's take 2 scenarios:

1. Person A wants to be liked. He is always nice to everybody at work. He makes sure he says hi and he is willing to give out a helping hand when someone needs him to. He likes all employees because he finds something special in everybody. Whenever there is drama in the work place, he tries to avoid them and never confronts anyone straight on because he is afraid of the bad vibe that might come out of it.

2. Person B doesn't care to be liked. If he finds fault in another employee he will speak his mind and he can care less if that employee ends up hating him because he knows he is right. He finds other employees to be riddled with flaws and he's not afraid to showcase his disgust. He doesn't do this in a hostile manner, but he can find ways to engage management and sometimes he might just ignore them on a personal level, but still speak to them on a professional level. He is a professional; he cares about his work, so other employees who don't take him seriously might not like him very much.

But you didn't say a single word about how good they are at their job. Two different personality types but no mention of their ability? The major difference I see is that Person B would have to perform at a higher level than Person A to garner the same amount of respect from the majority of his co-workers.

Knowing how to navigate the office without being viewed as confrontational is a skill and it would seem that Person B doesn't have it. "He's not afraid to showcase his disgust"...unless that dude is a straight up star performer then most people are not going to respect him...they will resent him.

knickballer
12-27-2013, 10:33 AM
Person A seems like he'll be taken advantage of at work by other coworkers while person B no one will **** him with him.

Person A will have a better time however and it will have fun. Person B will probably end up being a loner in the workplace.

I think it's better being Person A. Good interpersonal skills go a long way

dr.hee
12-27-2013, 10:35 AM
But you didn't say a single word about how good they are at their job. Two different personality types but no mention of their ability

This. Taking a job seriously =/= being good at it. ISH's failed amateur philospoher #1 delivers yet another useless thread.

KevinNYC
12-27-2013, 10:46 AM
Rambo, I say this with all seriousness, you need to look into emotional intelligence. Daniel Golman has written several books on this including a book on emotional intelligence at work
http://www.danielgolemaninfo.dreamhosters.com/a/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/emotional-intelligence.jpg

http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/emotional_intelligence_book.jpg

You seem to have low social skills and lack empathy, this results in being hard to get along with, thus not too many people like you. You post-rationalize this as not being worried about popularity, but we all know that is not it. Your online personality shows signs of aggressive narcissism--the "It doesn't matter if you think I'm a dick attitude." You seem to place zero value and getting along with others and even on this island of misfit toys that is ISH, you violate social norms. And this is a key point, this upsets you. It doesn't make you feel more secure, it makes you feel less secure. You would prefer to be liked if that was possible. Your own behavior and the reaction to it; has concerned you enough to make thread after thread like this. Some more serious like this one and some just rants about other people's popularity. It's obviously a concern for you.

Emotional and Social Intelligence are critical skills you want to rise far at work. If you have shitty social skills you won't rise high in an organization, unless it's a shitty organization. Poor social skills prevent you from being a good leader. They have come with a term for a boss with poor social skills, it's called toxic leadership and aggressive narcissism is one of the key traits of a toxic leader.

Also are you consciously paraphrasing Machiavelli? If so kudos.

IamRAMBO24
12-27-2013, 11:11 AM
But you didn't say a single word about how good they are at their job. Two different personality types but no mention of their ability? The major difference I see is that Person B would have to perform at a higher level than Person A to garner the same amount of respect from the majority of his co-workers.

Knowing how to navigate the office without being viewed as confrontational is a skill and it would seem that Person B doesn't have it. "He's not afraid to showcase his disgust"...unless that dude is a straight up star performer then most people are not going to respect him...they will resent him.

For example, when break is over, Person B would rush to his job because he is fully aware there is work to be done while Person A (being the social guy he is) would lounge around the water cooler for few a mroe minutes to chit chat, and afterwards, he would venture to the bathroom to water his hair a bit to make sure he is presentable for the next person he's going to bullsh*t around with. Being nice and presentable is his only goal at work. He doesn't care much about the work itself.

dr.hee
12-27-2013, 11:20 AM
For example, when break is over, Person B would rush to his job because he is fully aware there is work to be done while Person A (being the social guy he is) would lounge around the water cooler for few a mroe minutes to chit chat, and afterwards, he would venture to the bathroom to water his hair a bit to make sure he is presentable for the next person he's going to bullsh*t around with. Being nice and presentable is his only goal at work. He doesn't care much about the work itself.

But does person B get the work done? Doesn't matter that he takes thing seriously if he doesn't get shit done. Maybe person A has time to socialize since he's plain better at his job? Could it be that person B is just much slower than everybody else, so when all the employers are done and have time to chat, he's struggling to catch up with all the work he couldnt finish in time?

KevinNYC
12-27-2013, 11:23 AM
But does person B get the work done? Doesn't matter that he takes thing seriously if he doesn't get shit done. Maybe person A has time to socialize since he's plain better at his job? Could it be that person B is just much slower than everybody else, so when all the employers are done and have time to chat, he's struggling to catch up with all the work he couldnt finish in time?

The issue is A and B are not the only options for how to be at work. For example, you can be conscientious about your job AND be a nice person. It's not either/or.

nathanjizzle
12-27-2013, 11:24 AM
person 2 seems to have a superiority complex. who is he to point out peoples flaws when everyone has flaws?

let me guess, you think you are person 2? :roll:
youre a joke.

Ass Dan
12-27-2013, 11:27 AM
Ok let's take 2 scenarios:

1. Person A wants to be liked. He is always nice to everybody at work. He makes sure he says hi and he is willing to give out a helping hand when someone needs him to. He likes all employees because he finds something special in everybody. Whenever there is drama in the work place, he tries to avoid them and never confronts anyone straight on because he is afraid of the bad vibe that might come out of it.

2. Person B doesn't care to be liked. If he finds fault in another employee he will speak his mind and he can care less if that employee ends up hating him because he knows he is right. He finds other employees to be riddled with flaws and he's not afraid to showcase his disgust. He doesn't do this in a hostile manner, but he can find ways to engage management and sometimes he might just ignore them on a personal level, but still speak to them on a professional level. He is a professional; he cares about his work, so other employees who don't take him seriously might not like him very much.

You need a balance of both or you will get rolled.

dr.hee
12-27-2013, 11:27 AM
The issue is A and B are not the only options for how to be at work. For example, you can be conscientious about your job AND be a nice person. It's not either/or.

I know. But OP's intent was to rationalize his own inability to socialize by presenting these two scenarios, hoping that his characterization of the sociable guy would lead to favorable responses towards his own personality. So why would he present more differentiated scenarios?

RidonKs
12-27-2013, 11:30 AM
what you're really asking is would i rather be good at my job or liked by my colleagues. the answer is that you're unlikely to go far without a balance; and you're unlikely to be fulfilled outside the workplace with an extreme imbalance.

KevinNYC
12-27-2013, 12:41 PM
I know. But OP's intent was to rationalize his own inability to socialize by presenting these two scenarios, hoping that his characterization of the sociable guy would lead to favorable responses towards his own personality. So why would he present more differentiated scenarios?

Yeah, that was directed at him and how he framed the question, not you. He framed the question with faulty premise, so folks are getting twisted up trying answer this fake binary choice.

JEFFERSON MONEY
12-27-2013, 01:00 PM
IMO


It's best to attain the RESPECT of women (which makes them want to sleep with you)

THE RESPECT of powerful men (which makes them fear/consider your opinions)

but

THe LIKABILITY factor when dealing with other dudes (this leads to good friendships)


Yeah and touche this is so silly because they are so NOT mutually exclusive.

Might as well ask someone if they'd rather be smart or talented.. because they both go hand in hand more than NOT.

Like even the MOSt EXAGERRATED MOVIE EXAMPLES where some douchebag alpha male with brutal honesty like Al Swearanagan exhibits some small doses of empathy or plain charm and even the MOST KISS AZZY APPROVAL SEEKING DWEEBS like .. nothing comes to mind.. exhibit some backbone.


Anywho for what it's worth all you really do is have strong boundaries be secure in yourself but be warm giving and gregarious and you're all good.


From what I've met this was the norm. It's crazy how so much deviation things like Social Anxiety Disorder, timidty, a huge influx of sociopaths and peopel "Claiming to tell it as it is", clear-cut menacing assholes (looking at u rambo), and excessive care for others' opinions and others have prevented humans from connecting very sad.

iamgine
12-27-2013, 01:03 PM
Person b sounds like the nerdy teacher's pet who snitches his classmates. It's every student's job to excel in school and report misbehavior but how respected is he?

Dresta
12-27-2013, 01:11 PM
liked
Typical. You always come across as an insufferable suck up. A person willing to stand up for his principles, to not bow cravenly to authority and social pressure, and speak up when they think things are being done poorly or inefficiently, is infinitely more important than someone who blindly follows the crowd, is desperate not to offend anyone, and will acquiesce to whatever is demanded of him; the former person demonstrates the ability to think for himself, while the latter exerts only the ape-like faculty of imitation.

Aim to be loved by those who accept you for who you are, not liked by people who don't even know you. You should always aim for the gold standard. Having loads of 'friends' who like you superficially and without intimacy is not important for anyone who doesn't need their ego and vanity to be propped up on a daily basis. Obviously human beings are tribal animals, so thinking for yourself and speaking your mind will always expose you to a certain amount of antipathy and empty-headed hostility, but that is a small price to pay for being your own man.

JEFFERSON MONEY
12-27-2013, 01:14 PM
Person b sounds like the nerdy teacher's pet who snitches his classmates. It's every student's job to excel in school and report misbehavior but how respected is he?

Yeah he sounds like one of those slightly more competent than the rest of the guys who just goes around blathering "arghhh what idiots" "masses are asses" "blargh humbug"

Surprise surprise that's also Rambo's schtick at ISH.

Criticize and don't inspire to improve. That's something he's damn good at. And just as the rain falls, and the people select their leader; his cynicism and elitism will never grant him a smidgeon of hope from the chosen ones.

And in a world full of armchair philosophers, social status is a precious gift closely linked to both pride, fulfillment, and happiness. Something that's much mroe.. shall we say concrete and real than desperately seeking for truth. He'd be better off pushing papers for a big time playah like Stefan Molyneux.

Let him dabble in his writing till the cows come home.

Us dumber more incompetent people will leave their impression on dis here Planet Earth and he can't do nuffing about it :rockon:

RidonKs
12-27-2013, 01:15 PM
Aim to be loved by those who accept you for who you are, not liked by people who don't even know you.
well said. though i imagine for most people it's extremely difficult to make instinct and mostly just comfort after the fact. still important though.

Fresh Kid
12-27-2013, 06:36 PM
respected and not your definition of it. You can be nice to people and still be dislike by many people. I wanna respected, tha person who left his mark on earth, but was brave to do what he do for himself and mankind. A respected person who don't give a damn what people think even family. A respected person who is nice but always show tough lovs to people, give them good advice that will actually help them positively rise not positively decline. That's tha type of person that I must be.

Budadiiii
12-27-2013, 08:34 PM
respected and not your definition of it. You can be nice to people and still be dislike by many people. I wanna respected, tha person who left his mark on earth, but was brave to do what he do for himself and mankind. A respected person who don't give a damn what people think even family. A respected person who is nice but always show tough lovs to people, give them good advice that will actually help them positively rise not positively decline. That's tha type of person that I must be.
Fresh Kid, on behalf of the TCA(trolling committee of America)

I present you with the 6th annual 'Troll of the year' award.

Congratulations.

Much respect to you. God bless, and continued success to you and you're family.

Swaggin916
12-28-2013, 04:13 AM
If you have to choose one it depends on the person. It may be healthier for them to be liked... or it may be to be respected. It also depends on the circumstances as well. It's probably more important to be liked as a receptionist... just makes things easier. It's probably more important to be respected as a coach.

If somebody likes you without respecting you... then it's likely that part of the reason why they like you is because they don't have to respect you (whether it be your feelings/space/etc.)

IamRAMBO24
12-28-2013, 07:04 AM
Rambo, I say this with all seriousness, you need to look into emotional intelligence. Daniel Golman has written several books on this including a book on emotional intelligence at work
http://www.danielgolemaninfo.dreamhosters.com/a/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/emotional-intelligence.jpg

http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/emotional_intelligence_book.jpg

You seem to have low social skills and lack empathy, this results in being hard to get along with, thus not too many people like you. You post-rationalize this as not being worried about popularity, but we all know that is not it. Your online personality shows signs of aggressive narcissism--the "It doesn't matter if you think I'm a dick attitude." You seem to place zero value and getting along with others and even on this island of misfit toys that is ISH, you violate social norms. And this is a key point, this upsets you. It doesn't make you feel more secure, it makes you feel less secure. You would prefer to be liked if that was possible. Your own behavior and the reaction to it; has concerned you enough to make thread after thread like this. Some more serious like this one and some just rants about other people's popularity. It's obviously a concern for you.

Emotional and Social Intelligence are critical skills you want to rise far at work. If you have shitty social skills you won't rise high in an organization, unless it's a shitty organization. Poor social skills prevent you from being a good leader. They have come with a term for a boss with poor social skills, it's called toxic leadership and aggressive narcissism is one of the key traits of a toxic leader.

Also are you consciously paraphrasing Machiavelli? If so kudos.

I believe you suffer from a disease call addadictimi.

IamRAMBO24
12-28-2013, 07:12 AM
I know. But OP's intent was to rationalize his own inability to socialize by presenting these two scenarios, hoping that his characterization of the sociable guy would lead to favorable responses towards his own personality. So why would he present more differentiated scenarios?

I presented a simple characterization:

1. Person B wants to impress through his work.

2. Person A wants to impress through his personality.

In a work environment, the highest level of respect is usually directed towards the person who is the most capable of performing the job, so it is reasonable for me to conclude respect is gain through productivity. This can also extend above the working environment and to sports: for example, Jordan is hated by his teammates, but respected. It is a universal definition of respect where ever you work. It does not apply to other aspects of your life like your family life and friends because to have this attitude is detrimental to the relationships you have on a personal level.

I have defined my definitions clearly; it is not my fault idiots like you have failed to properly comprehend my premise.

IamRAMBO24
12-28-2013, 07:20 AM
This. Taking a job seriously =/= being good at it. ISH's failed amateur philospoher #1 delivers yet another useless thread.

Horrible logic. If a person doesn't take his job seriously, then how can he be good at it?

Explain.

IamRAMBO24
12-28-2013, 07:27 AM
The issue is A and B are not the only options for how to be at work. For example, you can be conscientious about your job AND be a nice person. It's not either/or.

It was a simple either/or premise: is it better to be liked OR respected? Would you rather let your work do the talking or do the talking during work? I presented a simple premise and you guys are making it out like I'm this arrogant jerkoff out to destroy people.

We all know guys who are well liked but aren't the best at what they do and we know employees who are the best at what they do but are not well liked. The question simply is which one do you think is better and would prefer to have as a co worker?

dr.hee
12-28-2013, 07:45 AM
It was a simple either/or premise: is it better to be liked OR respected? Would you rather let your work do the talking or do the talking during work? I presented a simple premise and you guys are making it out like I'm this arrogant jerkoff out to destroy people.

We all know guys who are well liked but aren't the best at what they do and we know employees who are the best at what they do but are not well liked. The question simply is which one do you think is better and would prefer to have as a co worker?

You're asking multiple questions at once...

1) Is it better to be liked or respected?
2) Would we rather let our work do the talking or do the talking do the work?
3) Which one do we think is better and would prefer to have as a co worker?

So short story...you aren't getting along with people at work. Looking at other people's ability to socialize without even having to try, you're searching for ways to rationalize your shortcomings. What you apparently came up with is a scenario where you are the serious and focused guy, while people who are getting along with each other are only being nice to compensate their lack of competence. The truth is probably...the other guys are smarter/more competent than you think, while you are much less different from the average than you'd like to be.

I present another option: Stop being a d!ck at work.

GASOL IS GOAT
12-28-2013, 07:48 AM
Fresh Kid, on behalf of the TCA(trolling committee of America)

I present you with the 6th annual 'Troll of the year' award.

Congratulations.

Much respect to you. God bless, and continued success to you and you're family.
Budaiiii on behalf of the MCFC(Mentally Challenged Fhaggots Committee) I'd like to present you with this years Retard of the year award. It was a close race but you managed to get the edge over our runner up Jameerthequeer. Congratulations :applause:

travelingman
12-28-2013, 08:01 AM
Budaiiii on behalf of the MCFC(Mentally Challenged Fhaggots Committee) I'd like to present you with this years Retard of the year award. It was a close race but you managed to get the edge over our runner up Jameerthequeer. Congratulations :applause:

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cuad
12-28-2013, 09:14 AM
It's better to be the one who is least likely to be shot up by deranged high school shooters, mugged by inner city thugs, or kidnapped and raped by creepy old gay men.

mlh1981
12-31-2013, 10:08 PM
As an educator, it's better to be respected. The "liked" teacher can oftentimes become the "walked all over" teacher. Teachers, coaches, etc--people who lead or oversee other groups of people, need to have that level of respect, or nothing else will matter. I think once you gain a level of respect, and maybe start off a little bit "tough" then you can work on the interpersonal relationships, and people will both respect AND like you. I just think it's hard to go into a situation wanting to be liked first and foremost, and THEN aim for respect.

johndeeregreen
12-31-2013, 10:25 PM
First off, they are not mutually exclusive. There is no reason at all a man can't be liked AND respected within the context of your exercise.

As a supervisor or someone who is in charge of groups of people, then yes it becomes a lot more difficult to be both, but as an employee it's pretty easy if you aren't a piece of shit.

SpecialQue
12-31-2013, 10:29 PM
You can be both, but it's much easier to be liked than respected.

andgar923
12-31-2013, 10:33 PM
Ok let's take 2 scenarios:

1. Person A wants to be liked. He is always nice to everybody at work. He makes sure he says hi and he is willing to give out a helping hand when someone needs him to. He likes all employees because he finds something special in everybody. Whenever there is drama in the work place, he tries to avoid them and never confronts anyone straight on because he is afraid of the bad vibe that might come out of it.

2. Person B doesn't care to be liked. If he finds fault in another employee he will speak his mind and he can care less if that employee ends up hating him because he knows he is right. He finds other employees to be riddled with flaws and he's not afraid to showcase his disgust. He doesn't do this in a hostile manner, but he can find ways to engage management and sometimes he might just ignore them on a personal level, but still speak to them on a professional level. He is a professional; he cares about his work, so other employees who don't take him seriously might not like him very much.

Why can't you be both?

One can be a pro and dedicated while not pissing people off. One can also offer advice to those he feels need it without coming off as a condescending prick.

To get respect you have to give respect.

One aint gonna earn respect unless they give it at some point to a degree.

I will be honest, I was the first dude growing up. Afraid to ruffle feathers and offend people.

wakencdukest
01-01-2014, 01:24 AM
No one respects person B. He should mind his own f*cking business unless it directly affects his job. Otherwise he is just a kiss-ass, trying to get promoted, and will never be respected. I'd rather be liked because that usually comes with a certain amount of respect.

ILLsmak
01-01-2014, 01:25 AM
Ok let's take 2 scenarios:

1. Person A wants to be liked. He is always nice to everybody at work. He makes sure he says hi and he is willing to give out a helping hand when someone needs him to. He likes all employees because he finds something special in everybody. Whenever there is drama in the work place, he tries to avoid them and never confronts anyone straight on because he is afraid of the bad vibe that might come out of it.

2. Person B doesn't care to be liked. If he finds fault in another employee he will speak his mind and he can care less if that employee ends up hating him because he knows he is right. He finds other employees to be riddled with flaws and he's not afraid to showcase his disgust. He doesn't do this in a hostile manner, but he can find ways to engage management and sometimes he might just ignore them on a personal level, but still speak to them on a professional level. He is a professional; he cares about his work, so other employees who don't take him seriously might not like him very much.


ignoring your two probably self-reflective examples... we must examine the words like and respect! I think a lot of people will define the two as liked being a soft person and respected being someone who is too hard.

I don't know... it takes a lot to respect someone. Liking seems very juvenile. It also seems like something that can preface something belittling or that it's something you say about someone you think is lesser than you. You know what I mean, "I like that dude..." opposed to "I respect that dude." They sound like they are coming from angles of one being greater and one being lesser, to me.

This thread could more easily be titled: is it better to be yourself or change to please others? Is it better to be assertive or quiet... etc

-Smak

ILLsmak
01-01-2014, 01:32 AM
Why can't you be both?

One can be a pro and dedicated while not pissing people off. One can also offer advice to those he feels need it without coming off as a condescending prick.

To get respect you have to give respect.

One aint gonna earn respect unless they give it at some point to a degree.

I will be honest, I was the first dude growing up. Afraid to ruffle feathers and offend people.

double post. You can prefer to not offend people and not be afraid, though. You can also offend people often without ever trying to. I am good at that.

Basically, I have a selfish reason for not wanting to offend people. Part of it has to do with the fact that I don't want drama. It's not worth it to me to be involved in any bullshit over minor things. The larger part is I truly don't want people to be unhappy. It bothers me. I can't enjoy myself when anyone I am around is unhappy. It's like being in a room and watching a movie with people and one person is obviously not enjoying it. I would not be able to enjoy it, either.

But nah, very few people in life are genuinely nice. Most are just trying to be liked (as stated in OP), however, in the same way... very few people (other than me!) offend people by truly being free-spirited and passionate/driven. Most people just act like assholes and say, "That's just me... and if you don't like it, then **** you."

-Smak

IamRAMBO24
01-01-2014, 01:52 AM
1. When you are at work, I don't see any reason to have any interpersonal relationships including dating. I see these people everyday. My job pays my bills. It is more important to me than making friends at work because guess what, I have enough friends in rl, in fact, the only reason why I am socializing with these people is because we are breathing the same air in the same room. Why? Because taking things to a personal level usually leads to drama. If he is my friend, and he f*cks up at work, it will be harder for me to say something about it because I will fear losing a friend, thus I will be less of a professional.

2. Leave the jokes and sarcasm at home. When you are at work, you should take it seriously. I don't like the clowning around, so I choose not to partake in it. This has made my co workers uncomfortable because I am less social, but I think all the clowning around is detrimental to the work environment where we are dependent on each other to get our work done.

This doesn't mean I am not respectful and nice towards other employees. Being nice is a part of being a professional. The distinction is although I am nice, I'm not afraid to criticize other people's work performance. The guy who wants to be liked is afraid to do this. I don't want to be their friend. I don't care for that kind of stuff. To me, work is serious business and it should be treated as such.

Leave the fun sh*t at home.

ThatCoolKid
01-01-2014, 02:50 AM
1. When you are at work, I don't see any reason to have any interpersonal relationships including dating. I see these people everyday. My job pays my bills. It is more important to me than making friends at work because guess what, I have enough friends in rl, in fact, the only reason why I am socializing with these people is because we are breathing the same air in the same room. Why? Because taking things to a personal level usually leads to drama. If he is my friend, and he f*cks up at work, it will be harder for me to say something about it because I will fear losing a friend, thus I will be less of a professional.

2. Leave the jokes and sarcasm at home. When you are at work, you should take it seriously. I don't like the clowning around, so I choose not to partake in it. This has made my co workers uncomfortable because I am less social, but I think all the clowning around is detrimental to the work environment where we are dependent on each other to get our work done.

This doesn't mean I am not respectful and nice towards other employees. Being nice is a part of being a professional. The distinction is although I am nice, I'm not afraid to criticize other people's work performance. The guy who wants to be liked is afraid to do this. I don't want to be their friend. I don't care for that kind of stuff. To me, work is serious business and it should be treated as such.

Leave the fun sh*t at home.

People are generally much more productive when they are comfortable in their environment. The way you are presenting your tendency to criticize people, it seems like you are being a disruptive, borderline hostile presence in the workplace. Like someone else mentioned, when coworkers like each other and feel comfortable interacting with one another, collaboration and communication, both things that correlate with productivity, will increase in volume. Surely someone who takes their job seriously and wants to be productive would respect this vital aspect of work and voice their criticisms in an appropriate and positive, constructive manner?

IamRAMBO24
01-01-2014, 03:04 AM
People are generally much more productive when they are comfortable in their environment. The way you are presenting your tendency to criticize people, it seems like you are being a disruptive, borderline hostile presence in the workplace. Like someone else mentioned, when coworkers like each other and feel comfortable interacting with one another, collaboration and communication, both things that correlate with productivity, will increase in volume. Surely someone who takes their job seriously and wants to be productive would respect this vital aspect of work and voice their criticisms in an appropriate and positive, constructive manner?

I disagree, if you are in a professional environment where the stakes are high, you better make damn sure you show up and do your best.

Playing at work is something people normally do at Mcdonald's or some low end job they don't take seriously.

Do you think Kobe or Jordan would be as great as they are if they want to be well liked and please others?

Budadiiii
01-01-2014, 03:13 AM
I disagree, if you are in a professional environment where the stakes are high, you better make damn sure you show up and do your best.

Playing at work is something people normally do at Mcdonald's or some low end job they don't take seriously.

Do you think Kobe or Jordan would be as great as they are if they want to be well liked and please others?
This ain't basketball, fool. There is no prize at the end of the tunnel for you.

Connect with other humans and find happiness through that, you ****ing idiot imbecile hotty :)

SAKOTXA
01-01-2014, 04:47 AM
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Dresta
01-02-2014, 09:49 AM
People are generally much more productive when they are comfortable in their environment. The way you are presenting your tendency to criticize people, it seems like you are being a disruptive, borderline hostile presence in the workplace. Like someone else mentioned, when coworkers like each other and feel comfortable interacting with one another, collaboration and communication, both things that correlate with productivity, will increase in volume. Surely someone who takes their job seriously and wants to be productive would respect this vital aspect of work and voice their criticisms in an appropriate and positive, constructive manner?
You pulled that one straight out of your arse. A comfortable work environment tends to be where lazy and unproductive people mess around. To get good results, you need a challenging work environment. You don't need to arse-creep everyone simply for there to be a flow of ideas.