Lebron James and Michael Jordan at age 28

[Lebron23]

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[poido123]

The competition and skill level between the two is quite different. 90's basketball had some of the best players the game has seen.

It really wouldn't matter how many titles Lebron won with the Heat, does not change the fact that he's an inferior player to him. :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

The competition and skill level between the two is quite different. 90's basketball had some of the best players the game has seen.

It really wouldn't matter how many titles Lebron won with the Heat, does not change the fact that he's an inferior player to him. :confusedshrug:

Who cares?? Jordan is better than Lebron, but look at Lebron's accomplishment at the same age. Bron is also the superior rebounder, and better passer. Lebron might end up as being the 2nd greatest player of all time behind his childhood idol.

[poido123]

Who cares?? Jordan is better than Lebron, but look at Lebron's accomplishment at the same age. Bron is also the superior rebounder, and better passer. Lebron might end up as being the 2nd greatest player of all time behind his childhood idol.

No problem.

I just thought you might be insinuating Lebron being the better player. Carry on.

[ripthekik]

Who cares?? Jordan is better than Lebron, but look at Lebron's accomplishment at the same age. Bron is also the superior rebounder, and better passer. Lebron might end up as being the 2nd greatest player of all time behind his childhood idol.
His childhood idol is Kobe.

[Lebron23]

His childhood idol is Kobe.

Ok


I just ordered Kobe EQT elevation aka Kobe Crazy 1997.

[Micku]

I think it would be best to judge how many seasons than age in some aspect of judging.

Like it took MJ seven seasons to win his first title. It took LBJ 9 seasons to win his first title.

I remember ESPN did something that LeBron James has 21081 points at age 28 and MJ had 19000 points at age 28. But they didn't list the amount of games. It took LBJ 765 games while it took MJ 589. So it would be right to say that MJ would be the quickest in game ratio compard to LBJ, but LBJ would be the youngest or something like that.

Regardless, LBJ is a beast. Enjoy it while it last. I wonder how LBJ would look when he is in his 30s. Hopefully his play won't drop that far off, but who knows.

[KyleKong]

His childhood idol is Kobe.

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Why can't the stans get along.

[funnystuff]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/12/25/LeBronKobe.gif

Why can't the stans get along.
:roll:

:applause:

[Lebron23]

I think it would be best to judge how many seasons than age in some aspect of judging.

Like it took MJ seven seasons to win his first title. It took LBJ 9 seasons to win his first title.

I remember ESPN did something that LeBron James has 21081 points at age 28 and MJ had 19000 points at age 28. But they didn't list the amount of games. It took LBJ 765 games while it took MJ 589. So it would be right to say that MJ would be the quickest in game ratio compard to LBJ, but LBJ would be the youngest or something like that.

Regardless, LBJ is a beast. Enjoy it while it last. I wonder how LBJ would look when he is in his 30s. Hopefully his play won't drop that far off, but who knows.

He's still going to be solid player in his 30's. He might pattern his game after Karl malone.

[LilEddyCurry]

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Why can't the stans get along.
Is that Lebron honoring Mr Jabbar? :biggums:

[plowking]

I think it would be best to judge how many seasons than age in some aspect of judging.

Like it took MJ seven seasons to win his first title. It took LBJ 9 seasons to win his first title.

I remember ESPN did something that LeBron James has 21081 points at age 28 and MJ had 19000 points at age 28. But they didn't list the amount of games. It took LBJ 765 games while it took MJ 589. So it would be right to say that MJ would be the quickest in game ratio compard to LBJ, but LBJ would be the youngest or something like that.

Regardless, LBJ is a beast. Enjoy it while it last. I wonder how LBJ would look when he is in his 30s. Hopefully his play won't drop that far off, but who knows.

Why? No player plays the same amount of seasons, and everyone comes in at a different time. Better to use age.
Its like if someone was good enough to come in at 14. That person accomplishing two titles and four MVP's would be more impressive than Bron doing it in the same time span. Hes 14. The fact he could enter and dominate the league so early would be amazing.

[NumberSix]

No problem.

I just thought you might be insinuating Lebron being the better player. Carry on.
I'm not insinuating it. I'm outright saying. I think LeBron is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan was.

[Mr. Incredible]

No problem.

I just thought you might be insinuating Lebron being the better player. Carry on.
I thought you were leaving ISH? Back already?

[G-Funk]

Who cares?? Jordan is better than Lebron, but look at Lebron's accomplishment at the same age. Bron is also the superior rebounder, and better passer. Lebron might end up as being the 2nd greatest player of all time behind his childhood idol.

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[diamenz]

Who cares?? Jordan is better than Lebron, but look at Lebron's accomplishment at the same age. Bron is also the superior rebounder, and better passer. Lebron might end up as being the 2nd greatest player of all time behind his childhood idol.

he's just a more willing passer. lebron is a sf so expect him to rebound more.

[NLZ]

So pretty much no competition for MJ...

[poido123]

I'm not insinuating it. I'm outright saying. I think LeBron is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan was.

Good luck on that one :oldlol:

[knicksman]

fanboys comparing 2 rings of jordan to lebron like it has the same value:lol

[Dragonyeuw]

Who cares?? Jordan is better than Lebron, but look at Lebron's accomplishment at the same age. Bron is also the superior rebounder, and better passer. Lebron might end up as being the 2nd greatest player of all time behind his childhood idol.

Jordan's abilities as an alpha scorer trump Lebron's advantage in passing or rebounding(considering lebron is like 3 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier, I'm not sure whats the relevance of saying he's a 'better' rebounder. Its almost like saying Shaq is a better rebounder than Jordan. Well yeah, no s**t).

[Dragonyeuw]

fanboys comparing 2 rings of jordan to lebron like it has the same value:lol

Just like mvp count, an argument without context. Jordan in the 90s was competing with prime Hakeem, Barkley,Admiral, Ewing, Malone, the beginning of Shaq's prime. Lebron at this point has who asides from Durant as serious competition? Howard aint s**t compared to the 90s centers. Kobe, Duncan, Dirk, Garnett all well past their peaks. Rose isnt a factor right now for obvious reasons. Melo? Love? Compared to Jordan's primary competition? Please.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How many seasons played at that age? :confusedshrug:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Jordan's abilities as an alpha scorer trump Lebron's advantage in passing or rebounding(considering lebron is like 3 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier, I'm not sure whats the relevance of saying he's a 'better' rebounder. Its almost like saying Shaq is a better rebounder than Jordan. Well yeah, no s**t).

So? Size matters in basketball. You can't just disregard it.

[Bandito]

I'm not insinuating it. I'm outright saying. I think LeBron is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan was.
When people say Lebron is better than Kobe I can respect that because it is at least arguable due to Kobe playing those years with Shaq hurt him.

But to say he is better than MJ is a sacrilege. 2011 play in the Finals prove he's not on MJ's level.

[Quickening]

Jordan's abilities as an alpha scorer trump Lebron's advantage in passing or rebounding(considering lebron is like 3 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier, I'm not sure whats the relevance of saying he's a 'better' rebounder. Its almost like saying Shaq is a better rebounder than Jordan. Well yeah, no s**t).

Wow what a stupid fcking argument... Lebron is bigger therefore any advantage he gets from that extra size doesn't count. :lol :roll:

[Dragonyeuw]

So? Size matters in basketball. You can't just disregard it.

I didn't, but its like saying chris paul is a better passer than Tim Duncan. Does that fact play any part in who the better player is? No, different players, different skillsets, different positions, so whats the point in bringing it up? At the end of the day, like I said, Jordan's 5 ppg advantage is more significant than Lebron's 1 rebound and assist edge.

[Dragonyeuw]

Wow what a stupid fcking argument... Lebron is bigger therefore any advantage he gets from that extra size doesn't count. :lol :roll:

No, the stupid argument is using a single rebound advantage like it carries significant weight in a who's better argument. Jordan's 5ppg advantage and obviously superior scoring ability> Lebron averaging 7 rebounds to Jordan's 6. Are you fcuking kidding me??

[K Xerxes]

Compare Magic at 28 to Michael and who comes out on top?

Now compare their whole careers and who comes out on top?

Dumb argument, even without taking into account that Bron had the luxury of playing 2 extra seasons. Michael's accomplishments skyrocketed at this age, can't see Bron competing with that.

[Dragonyeuw]

How many seasons played at that age? :confusedshrug:

Shhhhh... Thats the argument they try to avoid.

[poido123]

So? Size matters in basketball. You can't just disregard it.


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[NumberSix]

Compare Magic at 28 to Michael and who comes out on top?

Now compare their whole careers and who comes out on top?

Dumb argument, even without taking into account that Bron had the luxury of playing 2 extra seasons. Michael's accomplishments skyrocketed at this age, can't see Bron competing with that.
What argument?

[Quickening]

Compare Magic at 28 to Michael and who comes out on top?

Now compare their whole careers and who comes out on top?

Dumb argument, even without taking into account that Bron had the luxury of playing 2 extra seasons. Michael's accomplishments skyrocketed at this age, can't see Bron competing with that.

MJ had luxury of playing college basketball for 2 extra years... lots of people argue that is better for a players development than going into the NBA as a kid.

[Dragonyeuw]

MJ had luxury of playing college basketball for 2 extra years... lots of people argue that is better for a players development than going into the NBA as a kid.

And yet there are plenty of examples of college players who didnt pan out in the NBA, so the college experience didn't matter. Lebron was light years ahead of any other 19 year old, and the argument can be made than Lebron getting valuable nba experience at 19 is better than Jordan being in college at that age.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I didn't, but its like saying chris paul is a better passer than Tim Duncan. Does that fact play any part in who the better player is? No, different players, different skillsets, different positions, so whats the point in bringing it up? At the end of the day, like I said, Jordan's 5 ppg advantage is more significant than Lebron's 1 rebound and assist edge.

I never argued that, but the way you worded your argument, it sounded like you're disregarding Lebron's rebounding because he's bigger. Both Lebron and Jordan run the team's offense so it's not as far-fetched as comparing Duncan and CP3. It would be like saying Jordan's a better rebounder than Iverson but it doesn't matter because he's bigger. Does that make sense?

[poido123]

I never argued that, but the way you worded your argument, it sounded like you're disregarding Lebron's rebounding because he's bigger. Both Lebron and Jordan run the team's offense so it's not as far-fetched as comparing Duncan and CP3. It would be like saying Jordan's a better rebounder than Iverson but it doesn't matter because he's bigger. Does that make sense?

You're missing the point.

You don't make a point of saying player A is a better rebounder than player B when there is a clear size difference and play different positions.

If you were comparing a Shaq to Hakeem in rebounding? Then it's valid to say one player is a better rebounder than the other since they are both centres.

Lebron's extra rebound more than Jordan is completely irrelevant and an innacurate comparison.

[Bandito]

You're missing the point.

You don't make a point of saying player A is a better rebounder than player B when there is a clear size difference and play different positions.

If you were comparing a Shaq to Hakeem in rebounding? Then it's valid to say one player is a better rebounder than the other since they are both centres.

Lebron's extra rebound more than Jordan is completely irrelevant and an innacurate comparison.
One of the reasons GOAT list are stupid.

[K Xerxes]

What argument?

The fact that LeBron has accomplished more at age 28 is at all meaningful.

[Dragonyeuw]

I never argued that, but the way you worded your argument, it sounded like you're disregarding Lebron's rebounding because he's bigger. Both Lebron and Jordan run the team's offense so it's not as far-fetched as comparing Duncan and CP3. It would be like saying Jordan's a better rebounder than Iverson but it doesn't matter because he's bigger. Does that make sense?

I don't understand the point in comparing the rebounding numbers of players in different positions. Lebron playing in the frontcourt 'should' be averaging more rebounds, right? Comparing rebound numbers is more relevant if you're comparing players in similar positions, for example comparing tim duncan vs kevin garnett. If you're arguing who's better in that situation, then bringing up rebounding numbers would be more relevant if you're comparing attributes.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

You're missing the point.

You don't make a point of saying player A is a better rebounder than player B when there is a clear size difference and play different positions.

If you were comparing a Shaq to Hakeem in rebounding? Then it's valid to say one player is a better rebounder than the other since they are both centres.

Lebron's extra rebound more than Jordan is completely irrelevant and an innacurate comparison.

Stop following me pedo.

[All Net]

Could LeBron win another 4 titles? Sure. Guess depends how Miami can manage Wade and who else they could add going forward.

[Quickening]

And yet there are plenty of examples of college players who didnt pan out in the NBA, so the college experience didn't matter. Lebron was light years ahead of any other 19 year old, and the argument can be made than Lebron getting valuable nba experience at 19 is better than Jordan being in college at that age.

Yes you can argue both ways... that's why people tend to go with age, majority of players are in their prime between 25-31. So a player coming into the NBA at 18 compared to 20 doesn't make a huge difference. You could argue he gets couple years extra experience, you could argue he gets a couple years extra wear and tear.

[poido123]

One of the reasons GOAT list are stupid.

Come to think of it, yeah it is.

It's more for the fan to satisfy their desire to place their favorite players over X player.


And then you add players who can play and defend multiple positions. Who and how do you compare those players?

[Dragonyeuw]

Yes you can argue both ways... that's why people tend to go with age, majority of players are in their prime between 25-31. So a player coming into the NBA at 18 compared to 20 doesn't make a huge difference. You could argue he gets couple years extra experience, you could argue he gets a couple years extra wear and tear.

I think the 'prime period' argument shifts a little when talking about players coming out of high school, and Lebron is unique even compared to other high schoolers. He came into the league ready to dominate, whereas it took guys like Kobe, Tmac, Garnett a few years to get going. Kobe had a crazy prime period, some would even argue as far back as 2001 to like 2010. Lebron imo entered his around 2009.

I think what remains to be seen is what kind of game Lebron will have when those two extra nba years at 19, combined with the natural aging processes, kicks in. Will he evolve and add to his repertoire to compensate for the loss of physical ability? That will determine whether he still dominates at a championship level like Jordan did when he was 35.

[hateraid]

The competition and skill level between the two is quite different. 90's basketball had some of the best players the game has seen.

It really wouldn't matter how many titles Lebron won with the Heat, does not change the fact that he's an inferior player to him. :confusedshrug:
That couldn't sound any more like an insecure fan

[Odinn]

What's the point of this thread?

At the age of 28;
- 4 MVPs / 6 Titles - Bill Russell
- 4 MVPs / 2 Titles - LeBron James
- 1 MVP / 5 Titles - Magic Johnson
- 4 MVPs / 1 Title - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
- 3 MVPs / 2 Titles - Michael Jordan
- 2 MVPs / 3 Titles - Tim Duncan
- 3 MVPs / 1 Title - Moses Malone
- 2 MVPs / 2 Titles - Larry Bird
- 1 MVP / 2 Titles - Shaquille O'Neal
- 0 MVP / 3 Titles - Kobe Bryant
- 1 MVP / 0 Title - Wilt Chamberlain
- 0 MVP / 0 Title - Hakeem Olajuwon

The list is made of consensus top 12 ever. Ranked by MVP+Title numbers. MVP number is the tiebreaker.

Isn't it so much different from the g.o.a.t. lists?

Yes, LeBron's achievements are great. When you think of his age, it gets even greater.
But comparing him to Jordan is just a hype going around LeBron being a serious candidate for the g.o.a.t. title which is not sanely.

[nathanjizzle]

now do years in the league.

[Bless Mathews]

now do years in the league.
WORD. people are so stupid when comparing age. Smh.

Let's compare David Robinson and David lee stats at Age 24. Smh.

Jordan PLAYED 3 years OF COLLEGE BALL. JESUS PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS.

[IncarceratedBob]

How many finals losses?!

Exactly. At the end of the day Jordan will be the goat and lebron will be nothing more than a top 5 player all time

[NumberSix]

Dat Britney Spears.

[Micku]

Why? No player plays the same amount of seasons, and everyone comes in at a different time. Better to use age.
Its like if someone was good enough to come in at 14. That person accomplishing two titles and four MVP's would be more impressive than Bron doing it in the same time span. Hes 14. The fact he could enter and dominate the league so early would be amazing.

Depends on what you are comparing.

If you are comparing something LeBron is the youngest ever to reach [insert accomplishment here] then that's fine. Or you can say any young player out of high school is better than [insert player here] then that's debatable. Because some players sometimes choose to stay in college for longer or sometimes they would want to develop their game. So, it's hard to say when [insert player] is ready for the NBA at what age. I know Bird choose to play college for a bit longer before going to the NBA and the Celtics already chose him a year before. Was Bird NBA ready when the Celtics chose him? Most likely, but he choose to stay in college.

But once you go the NBA, you basically start at a clean slate. You won't mention high school or college success. So, with the talk of LBJ at the age 28 have more MVPs and points than Jordan at the age 28 is correct, it took him longer to do so. But the championships and the MVPs I don't necessary care about because players play at a high level in different ages and etc. It just bother me a little bit that ESPN would LBJ at 28 points> MJ age 28 points but not counting the game ratio.

[Psileas]

What's the point of this thread?

At the age of 28;
- 4 MVPs / 6 Titles - Bill Russell
- 4 MVPs / 2 Titles - LeBron James
- 1 MVP / 5 Titles - Magic Johnson
- 4 MVPs / 1 Title - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
- 3 MVPs / 2 Titles - Michael Jordan
- 2 MVPs / 3 Titles - Tim Duncan
- 3 MVPs / 1 Title - Moses Malone
- 2 MVPs / 2 Titles - Larry Bird
- 1 MVP / 2 Titles - Shaquille O'Neal
- 0 MVP / 3 Titles - Kobe Bryant
- 1 MVP / 0 Title - Wilt Chamberlain
- 0 MVP / 0 Title - Hakeem Olajuwon

The list is made of consensus top 12 ever. Ranked by MVP+Title numbers. MVP number is the tiebreaker.

Isn't it so much different from the g.o.a.t. lists?

Yes, LeBron's achievements are great. When you think of his age, it gets even greater.
But comparing him to Jordan is just a hype going around LeBron being a serious candidate for the g.o.a.t. title which is not sanely.

Correct. Neither LeBron nor Jordan had been the most accomplished players ever at that specific age.

BTW, Jordan's info in the OP is wrong. Jordan became 28 in 1991 and therefore had 2 MVP's and 1 title at that age.
Also, the "more extra years" argument actually helps LeBron, since at the ages of 22-28 (same with Jordan) he's been averaging 27.9-7.5-7.1 and has still won all his titles and MVP's during that period.

[CelticBaller]

Is that Lebron honoring Mr Jabbar? :biggums:
Mr jabbar is the GOAT troll what you expect :no:

[The Iron Fist]

Who had the most finals sweeps on the losing end at the age of 28? Or how about, who had the most seasons where they won 60 games and HCA and didn't make the finals? Or, even better, who had the most seasons where their mom was getting banged out on the bus during road games?

[Derka]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/12/25/LeBronKobe.gif

Why can't the stans get along.

F*ckin A. :oldlol:

[LA_Showtime]

Who cares?? Jordan is better than Lebron, but look at Lebron's accomplishment at the same age. Bron is also the superior rebounder, and better passer. Lebron might end up as being the 2nd greatest player of all time behind his childhood idol.

I'm not sure he is, when you consider what positions they play.

[knicksman]

Just like mvp count, an argument without context. Jordan in the 90s was competing with prime Hakeem, Barkley,Admiral, Ewing, Malone, the beginning of Shaq's prime. Lebron at this point has who asides from Durant as serious competition? Howard aint s**t compared to the 90s centers. Kobe, Duncan, Dirk, Garnett all well past their peaks. Rose isnt a factor right now for obvious reasons. Melo? Love? Compared to Jordan's primary competition? Please.

you cant really compare a legit ring to a ringchasers ring. Its cheaper than a 2nd option ring:lol

[Sarcastic]

You forgot to list Christmas MVPs

Lebron - 1
Jordan - 0


:bowdown:

[Lebron23]

You forgot to list Christmas MVPs

Lebron - 1
Jordan - 0


:bowdown:


How about the Knicks??


New York Knicks in 67 years = 2 NBA titles
Lebron in 28 years = 2 NBA titles

[Lebron23]

An 18 yrs.old Jordan wouldn't have been drafted a lottery pick, he would not even be drafted in the first round. He became a much better, and more discipline player under coach Dean smith. No guaranteed contracts, NO ESPN Highlight Machine, and no D-league during that time. If he didn't pan and show his potential at a very young age he would have been out of the league in less than 5 years. Different times, Different Culture.

There were only 3 players drafted out of HS during that time, and each of them were big men.

[Sarcastic]

How about the Knicks??


New York Knicks in 67 years = 2 NBA titles
Lebron in 28 years = 2 NBA titles


Christmas MVP:
LeBron - 1
Everyone else in history - 0

:bowdown:

[arifgokcen]

you cant really compare a legit ring to a ringchasers ring. Its cheaper than a 2nd option ring:lol

Yeah they give players "used" 2nd hand rings if they win with the team that didnt draft them
Just ask shaq,moses,kareem et.

[jstern]

http://theshoegame.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lebron-vs-jordan-at-28.jpg
The level of dominance by the two is impressive.

[jstern]

Is that Lebron honoring Mr Jabbar? :biggums:
Yes it is.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/12/25/LeBronKobe.gif

[knicksman]

An 18 yrs.old Jordan wouldn't have been drafted a lottery pick, he would not even be drafted in the first round. He became a much better, and more discipline player under coach Dean smith. No guaranteed contracts, NO ESPN Highlight Machine, and no D-league during that time. If he didn't pan and show his potential at a very young age he would have been out of the league in less than 5 years. Different times, Different Culture.

There were only 3 players drafted out of HS during that time, and each of them were big men.


you really saying jordan wouldnt pan out:lol you just went full retard there bro

[Lebron23]

you really saying jordan wouldnt pan out:lol you just went full retard there bro


An 18 yrs.old Jordan wasn't as good as a 21/22 yrs.old Jordan.

PS

Raptors beat the Knicks.

[coin24]

An 18 yrs.old Jordan wasn't as good as a 21/22 yrs.old Jordan.

PS

Raptors beat the Knicks.


Any version of Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bran

Bronzey is so valuable his team beats top Western Conference teams without him:oldlol:

[plowking]

People saying that Lebron can't be GOAT because of 2011 are simply idiots.

Since when does playing poorly in a final series determine whether or not you are the greatest to ever play? Putting in an arbitrary requirement like that is simply stupid and simply shows a petty bias against a player.

Its like me saying shooting below 33% in a closeout game means you can't be the GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.
Being swept in the first round means you can't be GOAT. Well again, Jordan can't.
Shooting below 40% in a playoff series prior to the finals means you can't be GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.

[plowking]

Any version of Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bran

Bronzey is so valuable his team beats top Western Conference teams without him:oldlol:

Jordan is so valuable that his team wins pretty much the same amount of games the year after he leaves.

Bron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jordan.

[knicksman]

An 18 yrs.old Jordan wasn't as good as a 21/22 yrs.old Jordan.

PS

Raptors beat the Knicks.

stats are for the insecures. so who cares about hi school or college stats..What matters is the rings. While youre lebron cares so much about stats coz you know hes not that confident in delivering result. Thats why he formed a superteam

[Lebron23]

stats are for the insecures. so who cares about hi school or college stats..What matters is the rings. While youre lebron cares so much about stats coz you know hes not that confident in delivering result. Thats why he formed a superteam


Lebron has the same number of rings as your franchise. and He will be just turning 29 in less than 2 hours.

[Solefade]

People saying that Lebron can't be GOAT because of 2011 are simply idiots.

Since when does playing poorly in a final series determine whether or not you are the greatest to ever play? Putting in an arbitrary requirement like that is simply stupid and simply shows a petty bias against a player.

Its like me saying shooting below 33% in a closeout game means you can't be the GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.
Being swept in the first round means you can't be GOAT. Well again, Jordan can't.
Shooting below 40% in a playoff series prior to the finals means you can't be GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.


this. people making up their own guidelines and acting like bron isn't on pace to be the GOAT. how he finishes is yet to be seen but quit pretending like he can't possibly take the throne from jordan.

[Micku]

this. people making up their own guidelines and acting like bron isn't on pace to be the GOAT. how he finishes is yet to be seen but quit pretending like he can't possibly take the throne from jordan.

I don't think so. People are looking at LeBron and say that he isn't as impressive as Jordan in terms of performance on the court or something along those lines. Like in the 2013 Finals against the Spurs, they wouldn't and couldn't play the sag off defense that they played on LeBron. And unlike LeBron, Jordan was better in the post and quicker to attack. Jordan had better skills to combat the double team at least when I looked him.

His 2011 still stings because he was great prior to the series and the regular season. Granted, every player had a bad series. Shaq had'em, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, and etc. But LeBron bad series couldn't have come at the worse time, plus it seemed more mental than anything else. And it was really bad in when you compare how he played prior to the finals and in the regular season. He didn't play well in the 2013 finals either until the end of game 6 and game 7.

Regardless, there are other players who would've performed better than LeBron did. There are too many variables tho in how they would fit within the team and etc. But LeBron career isn't over, and he'll probably get more accolades than he already has. So, we'll see.

[riseagainst]

why don't you list their games played and seasons played as well?
:confusedshrug:

[riseagainst]

People saying that Lebron can't be GOAT because of 2011 are simply idiots.

Since when does playing poorly in a final series determine whether or not you are the greatest to ever play? Putting in an arbitrary requirement like that is simply stupid and simply shows a petty bias against a player.

Its like me saying shooting below 33% in a closeout game means you can't be the GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.
Being swept in the first round means you can't be GOAT. Well again, Jordan can't.
Shooting below 40% in a playoff series prior to the finals means you can't be GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.

IDK, all those categories you listed, just about every all time great have done. But the 2011 thing for Lebron is this: his team was heavily favored to win the series and was up 2-1 and still ended up losing mainly because of Lebron's disappearance.

Can you say this about MJ? Has MJ ever been the reason for his team's lack of success? Has a MJ-led team ever lost a playoff series while being favored to win?

[Bandito]

Lebron has the same number of rings as your franchise. and He will be just turning 29 in less than 2 hours.
You know when his birthday is? Oh the fanatcism...

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron has the same number of rings as your franchise. and He will be just turning 29 in less than 2 hours.

:roll:

You jumped off the bandwagon and climbed onto the saddle

[yeaaaman]

I don't think so. People are looking at LeBron and say that he isn't as impressive as Jordan in terms of performance on the court or something along those lines. Like in the 2013 Finals against the Spurs, they wouldn't and couldn't play the sag off defense that they played on LeBron. And unlike LeBron, Jordan was better in the post and quicker to attack. Jordan had better skills to combat the double team at least when I looked him.

His 2011 still stings because he was great prior to the series and the regular season. Granted, every player had a bad series. Shaq had'em, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, and etc. But LeBron bad series couldn't have come at the worse time, plus it seemed more mental than anything else. And it was really bad in when you compare how he played prior to the finals and in the regular season. He didn't play well in the 2013 finals either until the end of game 6 and game 7.

Regardless, there are other players who would've performed better than LeBron did. There are too many variables tho in how they would fit within the team and etc. But LeBron career isn't over, and he'll probably get more accolades than he already has. So, we'll see.

Yea I don't see how it can't be used against him. We're talking about being the greatest ever, so don't be mad if he's held to a high standard. I'm sorry but the 2011 Finals were pathetic, for anybody who should be considered an all-time great, forget GOAT. I don't care if it was Lebron or not. It was flat out bad. I think that's just honest and should be straight forward.

Lebron played consistently poorly and well below his ability/standard for a whole series, in the most important of all - the finals, especially in the fourth quarter! This is not making up new criteria, this is just being held accountable for poor play. It's not rocket science.

[knicksman]

People saying that Lebron can't be GOAT because of 2011 are simply idiots.

Since when does playing poorly in a final series determine whether or not you are the greatest to ever play? Putting in an arbitrary requirement like that is simply stupid and simply shows a petty bias against a player.

Its like me saying shooting below 33% in a closeout game means you can't be the GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.
Being swept in the first round means you can't be GOAT. Well again, Jordan can't.
Shooting below 40% in a playoff series prior to the finals means you can't be GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.

because Lebron was exposed as not better than jordan. He only won coz of teammates

[plowking]

IDK, all those categories you listed, just about every all time great have done. But the 2011 thing for Lebron is this: his team was heavily favored to win the series and was up 2-1 and still ended up losing mainly because of Lebron's disappearance.

Can you say this about MJ? Has MJ ever been the reason for his team's lack of success? Has a MJ-led team ever lost a playoff series while being favored to win?

Once again its arbitrary.

MJ has won closeout game where he has gone 5-19. Imagine Lebron shooting 5-19 in a close out game. Does his team win?
Jordan just happened to have had his teammates pick up some huge slack while he was sucking, so he didn't have as many of those moments.

[Stringer Bell]

Once again its arbitrary.

MJ has won closeout game where he has gone 5-19. Imagine Lebron shooting 5-19 in a close out game. Does his team win?
Jordan just happened to have had his teammates pick up some huge slack while he was sucking, so he didn't have as many of those moments.

Lebron shot 3 of 11 on a close out win, a percentage marginally better than 5 of 19.

Everyone gets compared to MJ.....most likely they're gonna come up short. Lebron is ridiculously good even if he isn't the equal of MJ.

[diamenz]

Once again its arbitrary.

MJ has won closeout game where he has gone 5-19. Imagine Lebron shooting 5-19 in a close out game. Does his team win?
Jordan just happened to have had his teammates pick up some huge slack while he was sucking, so he didn't have as many of those moments.

same song from u. *yawn*

[guy]

Once again its arbitrary.

MJ has won closeout game where he has gone 5-19. Imagine Lebron shooting 5-19 in a close out game. Does his team win?
Jordan just happened to have had his teammates pick up some huge slack while he was sucking, so he didn't have as many of those moments.

You're really comparing one Jordan finals game with his team already up 3-2 to Lebron's whole 2011 Finals? Seriously?

[comerb]

People saying that Lebron can't be GOAT because of 2011 are simply idiots.

Since when does playing poorly in a final series determine whether or not you are the greatest to ever play? Putting in an arbitrary requirement like that is simply stupid and simply shows a petty bias against a player.

Its like me saying shooting below 33% in a closeout game means you can't be the GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.
Being swept in the first round means you can't be GOAT. Well again, Jordan can't.
Shooting below 40% in a playoff series prior to the finals means you can't be GOAT. Well then, Jordan can't.


You can't beat out a guy like Jordan who absolutely mauled & destroyed the NBA Finals and went 6-0 with 6 fMVPS if you yourself lost 2 different Finals... especially when your favored in one of them and the series loss was a result of you disappearing. That's just not going to work.

[madmax]

I'm not insinuating it. I'm outright saying. I think LeBron is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan was.

:applause: :cheers:

[kNicKz]

OP is comparing NBA accolades at age instead of years in the NBA because he knows deep down

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[sportjames23]

:applause: :cheers:


You and NumberSix are fvcking stupid if you really believe that shit.

[jzek]

What about Kobe at the same age? :confusedshrug:

[kNicKz]

What about Kobe at the same age? :confusedshrug:

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii137/Jazza2319/kobetrophies.jpg

[The Real JW]

http://i.imgur.com/kfWH7S7.jpg

[jzek]

http://i.imgur.com/kfWH7S7.jpg

Why is Jordan not the unanimous GOAT again?

[The Real JW]

Why is Jordan not the unanimous GOAT again?

Isn't he?

[NumberSix]

Isn't he?
No. See, I proved it.

[SamuraiSWISH]

http://i.imgur.com/kfWH7S7.jpg
Forgot to list Gold Medals and DPOY, but ...

:applause:

That's with missing the last 2 years of his prime to baseball.

[Solefade]

OP is comparing NBA accolades at age instead of years in the NBA because he knows deep down

:roll: :roll: :roll:


I always see this but we going to act like those years in college especially under Dean Smith didn't account for something?

[MJistheGOAT]

Stans at their peak. This is a no contest. :facepalm

And Kobe in the discussion?? :roll:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Why is Kobe always included in these discussions? :facepalm He's a tier below the other two.

[Lebron23]

http://i.imgur.com/kfWH7S7.jpg


Very Impressive.

[Chrono90]

Kobe never teamed with Duncan and Tmac.

Jordan never teamed with Magic and Karl Malone.

[longtime lurker]

OP is comparing NBA accolades at age instead of years in the NBA because he knows deep down

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This. Why wouldn't he just compare them after a certain number of seasons instead? Obvious agenda is obvious.

[Lebron23]

Kobe never teamed with Duncan and Tmac.

Jordan never teamed with Magic and Karl Malone.


Kobe played with the 2nd most dominant Finals Performer aka Shaquille O'Neal who was the Lakers best player from 1996 to 2004.

Prime Shaquille O'Neal > Bosh and Wade in 2012 and 2013 in the playoffs, regular season, and in the Finals.

[red1]

Lebron was drafted straight out of high school. Just like your favorite player Kobe Bryant.
thanks genius

[Leftimage]

This. Why wouldn't he just compare them after a certain number of seasons instead? Obvious agenda is obvious.

You're right, those first couple seasons LEBRON WAS SO MUCH BETTER THAN KOBE it makes it unfair.

imo it's an unfair comparison any way you break it down. In fact you can take out Kobe's first 3 years and he'll still pale in comparison to the other two players.