Pau Gasols immediate impact ranks among all-time great status

[TonyMontana]

Pretty crazy to think that when the Lakers acquired Gasol they went from perenniel first round fodder to a team that was in a class of their own and went to three straight Finals(two titles). Few players have brought that kind of immediate impact to a team upon being acquired.

As much credit as LeBron gets, Gasols impact towards LA was to this point an exact copy of LeBrons impact to the Heat. Both join teams that can't get past the first round and take them to the Finals in Year 1, followed by Rings in Year 2/3.

Yet Gasol never gets close to the exposure/praise LeBron gets. some questions...

Is this because he doesn't have a player fanbase that follows him?
Is he discriminated against for being white?
Is his impact undermined because another player on those LA teams has a HUGE stanbase?

[gts]

Lakers were at the top of the division having great season when they got Gasol

[red1]

Pretty crazy to think that when the Lakers acquired Gasol they went from perenniel first round fodder to a team that was in a class of their own and went to three straight Finals(two titles). Few players have brought that kind of immediate impact to a team upon being acquired.

As much credit as LeBron gets, Gasols impact towards LA was to this point an exact copy of LeBrons impact to the Heat. Both join teams that can't get past the first round and take them to the Finals in Year 1, followed by Rings in Year 2/3.

Yet Gasol never gets close to the exposure/praise LeBron gets. some questions...

Is this because he doesn't have a player fanbase that follows him?
Is he discriminated against for being white?
Is his impact undermined because another player on those LA teams has a HUGE stanbase?
bolded is the reason why

[kamil]

As much credit as LeBron gets, Gasols impact towards LA was to this point an exact copy of LeBrons impact to the Heat.

Ah, conveniently ignoring the fact that the Heat also acquired Chris Bosh.

I hope this particular point you make gets dismissed by everyone reading it.

[TonyMontana]

Lakers were at the top of the division having great season when they got Gasol

No Gasol
+
Bynum gets hurt
=
Back to irrelevance. And we all know Bynum will always get hurt. That 7 foot all-star level play in the middle is why the Lakers became relevant. Without it, we're looking at another first round loss to the Phoenix Suns.


Ah, conveniently ignoring the fact that the Heat also acquired Chris Bosh.

I hope this particular point you make gets dismissed by everyone reading it.

good point. One can argue that Gasols impact even went above LeBrons. Yet there are still very little traces of him getting any sort of recognition whatsoever.

[Jameerthefear]

Impact above LBJ :wtf:

[Scholar]

This is why I laugh when people discredit Pau Gasol's career because of his poor play the past couple seasons. Dude is an impact player. Only reason the Grizzlies weren't all that great when Pau was there was because they really didn't have anyone else.
I don't think Pau gets as much credit as LeBron James because, well... it's LeBron f*cking James. He's one of the top 10 greatest of all-time at any position while Pau can be argued out of being a top 10 at his own position if someone tries hard enough.

BTW, Shaquille O'Neal made a similar (if not greater) impact when he went to the Miami Heat in 2004-05. And when he left, the team became irrelevant for several years before LeBron arrived.
Just a quick note. Not worth derailing the thread, though. Topic is Pau, not Shaq.

[Im so nba'd out]

1. people from spain are not white.
2.The #2 man never gets the credit he deserves look @ Pippen you know how good that mf was.Jordan was so talented that people still dont respect pippen

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

1. people from spain are not white.
2.The #2 man never gets the credit he deserves look @ Pippen you know how good that mf was.Jordan was so talented that people still dont respect pippen

:roll:

[Im so nba'd out]

:roll:
Technically they are white but white skin people from other countries are way more athletic than white people from america.But you got it they are white ignore that part of my post :rolleyes:

[TonyMontana]

This is why I laugh when people discredit Pau Gasol's career because of his poor play the past couple seasons. Dude is an impact player. Only reason the Grizzlies weren't all that great when Pau was there was because they really didn't have anyone else.
I don't think Pau gets as much credit as LeBron James because, well... it's LeBron f*cking James. He's one of the top 10 greatest of all-time at any position while Pau can be argued out of being a top 10 at his own position if someone tries hard enough.

BTW, Shaquille O'Neal made a similar (if not greater) impact when he went to the Miami Heat in 2004-05. And when he left, the team became irrelevant for several years before LeBron arrived.
Just a quick note. Not worth derailing the thread, though. Topic is Pau, not Shaq.

Yep, when you look at the players that changed the landscape of the NBA as much as Gasol did, the list is extremely shallow and consists of names like Shaq/LeBron.

Gasol also wasn't the same player in Memphis that he was in LA(under Phil). The triangle offense complimented his game perfectly. He hasn't been the same player since Phil left either. Nonetheless his abilities were maximized under the triangle and that led to the Lakers being in a class of their own during those years.

[ripthekik]

Yo, what are your thoughts on heat beating blazers at their home court without lebron? Do they really need him?
Seems like if you put any other star in his place they still win. Without him this year, they still make ecf. So what you make of his mvps? Total trash?:oldlol:

[TonyMontana]

Yo, what are your thoughts on heat beating blazers at their home court without lebron? Do they really need him?
Seems like if you put any other star in his place they still win. Without him this year, they still make ecf. So what you make of his mvps? Total trash?:oldlol:

What does this have to do with the topic? If you want to talk about the game, I'm sure theres a gamethread somewhere.

Mad

[The Iron Fist]

Him impact is so immediate in terms of all time worthiness, that he has 0 playoff wins without Kobe.

[The Iron Fist]

Yep, when you look at the players that changed the landscape of the NBA as much as Gasol did, the list is extremely shallow and consists of names like Shaq/LeBron.

Gasol also wasn't the same player in Memphis that he was in LA(under Phil). The triangle offense complimented his game perfectly. He hasn't been the same player since Phil left either. Nonetheless his abilities were maximized under the triangle and that led to the Lakers being in a class of their own during those years.
The Bucks were 27-55 the year before Kareem joined them. His rookie year, they were in the EDF. His second season, they won the title.

That is immediate impact.

[TonyMontana]

Him impact is so immediate in terms of all time worthiness, that he has 0 playoff wins without Kobe.

Kobe would have 0 playoff series won without Gasol if he didn't have a GOAT canditate in Shaq for the first half of his career.

That's like giving Gasol Michael Jordan as a teammate in Memphis. Damn right they'd be winning series. don't really care for these dumb statements that solely depend on who the teammates are.


The Bucks were 27-55 the year before Kareem joined them. His rookie year, they were in the EDF. His second season, they won the title.

That is immediate impact.

good suggestion. Looks like the list of players with comparable immediate impact can be extended to Shaq, LeBron, Kareem all players that have an argument for being the GOAT. good company for Gasol.

[The Iron Fist]

Kobe would have 0 playoff series won without Gasol if he didn't have a GOAT canditate in Shaq for the first half of his career.

That's like giving Gasol Michael Jordan as a teammate in Memphis. Damn right they'd be winning series. don't really care for these dumb statements that solely depend on who the teammates are.

So how many players do you plan on going through with this, "Kobe wouldn't do ___ if he didn't have ___"?


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[ripthekik]

What does this have to do with the topic? If you want to talk about the game, I'm sure theres a gamethread somewhere.

Mad
Because it has to do with lebrons so called impact, as you mentioned it in the first post with gasols impact. Guess nothing to say eh?:oldlol:

[coin24]

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[Scholar]

You know who else had an immediate impact?

Magic f*cking Johnson. FMVP in his rookie season. :applause:

Lakers before Magic but w/ KAJ:
1976 didn't make playoffs; 40-42 record
1977 2nd round elimination (53-29)
1978 1st round elimination (45-37)
1979 2nd round elimination (47-35)
1980 NBA Champions (60-22) <<< Magic Johnson's rookie season

[TonyMontana]

Because it has to do with lebrons so called impact, as you mentioned it in the first post with gasols impact. Guess nothing to say eh?:oldlol:

Since LeBron joined Miami, they turned into the premier organization in the league just overnight. They were previously first round fodder for 3 consecutive years(sound familiar?). Once LeBron leaves Miami whether by trade, free agency, or retirement they will likely be irrelevant again. We'll see what happens.

[coin24]

Since LeBron joined Miami, they turned into the premier organization in the league just overnight. They were previously first round fodder for 3 consecutive years(sound familiar?). Once LeBron leaves Miami whether by trade, free agency, or retirement they will likely be irrelevant again. We'll see what happens.

Yeah but 2011 finals:lol

[TonyMontana]

You know who else had an immediate impact?

Magic f*cking Johnson. FMVP in his rookie season. :applause:

Lakers before Magic but w/ KAJ:
1976 didn't make playoffs; 40-42 record
1977 2nd round elimination (53-29)
1978 1st round elimination (45-37)
1979 2nd round elimination (47-35)
1980 NBA Champions (60-22)

more quality company for Gasol.

Rookie Bird also turned a 29 win Celtics team into a 61-21 team. Damn these are some good ****ing names to be grouped with.

[tpols]

Since LeBron joined Miami, they turned into the premier organization in the league just overnight. They were previously first round fodder for 3 consecutive years(sound familiar?). Once LeBron leaves Miami whether by trade, free agency, or retirement they will likely be irrelevant again. We'll see what happens.
That's just because Lebron is the one who moved teams. If Wade and Bosh had gone to Cleveland then the Cavs would've went from second round knockouts to perennial champions as well. Would've only been since Wade came. :oldlol:

If kobe had gone to memphis and joined Pau the Grizzlies would've gone from first round sweeps to perennial contenders and only 'since Kobe came'


You're trolling on semantics.. Step your game up dude

[ripthekik]

Since LeBron joined Miami, they turned into the premier organization in the league just overnight. They were previously first round fodder for 3 consecutive years(sound familiar?). Once LeBron leaves Miami whether by trade, free agency, or retirement they will likely be irrelevant again. We'll see what happens.
How about it's because since bosh joined miami? They ain't doing crap without him. Until he joined, heat was first round fodder. Hell, he's even the clutchest player on the heat, did you see his stats?

Bosh's impact >>>> gasols impact.
Lebron impact as witnessed from last night's game = Kevin love's impact.

And if bosh leaves, no more rescuing lebron, then you really have to worry.

[TonyMontana]

How about it's because since bosh joined miami? They ain't doing crap without him. Until he joined, heat was first round fodder. Hell, he's even the clutchest player on the heat, did you see his stats?

Bosh's impact >>>> gasols impact.
Lebron impact as witnessed from last night's game = Kevin love's impact.

And if bosh leaves, no more rescuing lebron, then you really have to worry.

Only a retard would think Bosh's impact is in the same tier as LeBrons impact.

The highlight of Chris Bosh led teams was making the playoffs 2 times(out of 7 years) and immediately getting owned in the first round.

LeBron James teams on the other hand routinely won 50+ games yearly(with Zydrunas Illgauskas as his best teammates) and have NEVER lost in the first round. Here is the Cavs record in 2010(LeBrons final year) and 2011(his first year in Miami.

2010: 61-21 (best record in the entire league)
2011: 19-63(2nd to worst record in the entire league, worst in the East and #1 overall pick)

You are trying to compare first round fodder like Bosh to a player whos impact goes from making arguable the worst team in the league the best. Be thankful I am even entertaining this bullshit.

[ripthekik]

Only a retard would think Bosh's impact is in the same tier as LeBrons impact.

The highlight of Chris Bosh led teams was making the playoffs 2 times(out of 7 years) and immediately getting owned in the first round.

LeBron James teams on the other hand routinely won 50+ games yearly(with Zydrunas Illgauskas as his best teammates) and have NEVER lost in the first round. Here is the Cavs record in 2010(LeBrons final year) and 2011(his first year in Miami.

2010: 61-21 (best record in the entire league)
2011: 19-63(2nd to worst record in the entire league, worst in the East and #1 overall pick)

You are trying to compare first round fodder like Bosh to a player whos impact goes from making arguable the worst team in the league the best. Be thankful I am even entertaining this bullshit.
Bosh just always had bad teams. Fact is he transformed the heat into annual conference champs every year after he arrived. He is the heats best and only big man, do you even know how much that impact is? The way you talk about gasols impact, you should understand.

Last nights game bosh proved his worth, shouldering the team to beat one of the leagues best at their home without lebron.

Don't you think without lebron heat still easily make ecf this year? Without bosh i can't say the same, they will be killed inside. Lebron James is the heat kevin love with those stats. Heat can still win with just wade and bosh.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Bosh just always had bad teams. Fact is he transformed the heat into annual conference champs every year after he arrived. He is the heats best and only big man, do you even know how much that impact is? The way you talk about gasols impact, you should understand.

Last nights game bosh proved his worth, shouldering the team to beat one of the leagues best at their home without lebron.

Don't you think without lebron heat still easily make ecf this year? Without bosh i can't say the same, they will be killed inside. Lebron James is the heat kevin love with those stats. Heat can still win with just wade and bosh.

So in other words, you don't watch the Heat play. They already get killed on the boards.

[ripthekik]

So in other words, you don't watch the Heat play. They already get killed on the boards.
Now imagine it without bosh. What's a worse adjective than killed, slaughtered? Annihilated? Without bosh its even worse. Without lebron, offensively the team is still fine, with so much weapons. Basically everything I'm saying now has been proven by last night's game.

[Illuminati]

Most people forgot but Pau Gasol lead in Offensive Win Shares and Total Win Shares in the entire 2010 playoffs. A statistic that usually LeBron James leads in. Gasol was really underrated in 2010.

[LakersRule24]

Phoenix Suns are 29-53 in 2003-04, good for 2nd to last in the entire conference...then Steve Nash arrives and they go 62-20 and become instant title contenders. Steve Nash>Gasol, Lebron, Shaq, Jordan?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Now imagine it without bosh. What's a worse adjective than killed, slaughtered? Annihilated? Without bosh its even worse. Without lebron, offensively the team is still fine, with so much weapons. Basically everything I'm saying now has been proven by last night's game.

Umm, obviously the Heat would get another center to replace Bosh. Even without Bosh, Lebron is capable of rebounding more to somewhat cover for Bosh. Think back to the 2012 Pacers series once Bosh went down. If you watched it, that is.

[clutchinho]

Umm, obviously the Heat would get another center to replace Bosh. Even without Bosh, Lebron is capable of rebounding more to somewhat cover for Bosh. Think back to the 2012 Pacers series once Bosh went down. If you watched it, that is.

Bosh isn't a great rebounder but he's a better rebounder than his figures show. He's always out of position for a rebound because

1.On offense he's usually standing at the 3 point line to open up the lane for Lebron
2. On defense he usually hedges hard on the point guard on a pick and roll, again leaving him on the 3 point line.

Bosh is irreplaceable on the Heat, there's only a handful of big men in the league who are mobile enough to hedge hard on the P&R, then recover to protect the rim.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Bosh isn't a great rebounder but he's a better rebounder than his figures show. He's always out of position for a rebound because

1.On offense he's usually standing at the 3 point line to open up the lane for Lebron
2. On defense he usually hedges hard on the point guard on a pick and roll, again leaving him on the 3 point line.

Bosh is irreplaceable on the Heat, there's only a handful of big men in the league who are mobile enough to hedge hard on the P&R, then recover to protect the rim.

I never said otherwise :confusedshrug:

I was just arguing with the clown that's acting like Bosh's rebounding is his greatest asset.

[AintNoSunshine]

Because he got traded to a team whose fanbase is mostly: Kobe tards

[Droid101]

Why would you respond to a troll thread?

[Lebron23]

from 2008 to 2011 Pau Gasol was a top 3 PF in the NBA. He was one of the best 2nd scoring option during that time, and he and Artest carried Kobe in game 7 of the NBA Finals. Gasol could have been the Finals MVP against the Boston Celtics. ( 19 ppg, 12 rpg, 3.7 apg, and 2.6 bpg on 48 FG%)

[ripthekik]

Bosh isn't a great rebounder but he's a better rebounder than his figures show. He's always out of position for a rebound because

1.On offense he's usually standing at the 3 point line to open up the lane for Lebron
2. On defense he usually hedges hard on the point guard on a pick and roll, again leaving him on the 3 point line.

Bosh is irreplaceable on the Heat, there's only a handful of big men in the league who are mobile enough to hedge hard on the P&R, then recover to protect the rim.
There you go. Someone who actually watches the game understands Bosh's impact on the Heat. He's one of their, or probably their most important player. Meanwhile OP is MIA just like his hero lebron in the 2nd half vs kings few days ago.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

There you go. Someone who actually watches the game understands Bosh's impact on the Heat. He's one of their, or probably their most important player. Meanwhile OP is MIA just like his hero lebron in the 2nd half vs kings few days ago.

Had to latch on to someone else's post because you had no clue how Bosh plays with the Heat? :oldlol:

But... but.. they would get killed inside. Bosh is the GOAT rebounder :lol

[Lebron23]

There you go. Someone who actually watches the game understands Bosh's impact on the Heat. He's one of their, or probably their most important player. Meanwhile OP is MIA just like his hero lebron in the 2nd half vs kings few days ago.

He injured his groin in the 2nd quarter. Did you watch the game??