Should the NBA just ship the MVP Award to Durant now?

[branslowski]

Dude led his squad to a blowout win against a top team in the West (Howard choked doe) without Westbrook. Puts up 33pts 11/17fg 13reb 5ast:eek: . Give this man the MVP.:bowdown: :bowdown:

(Sorry Paul George, gotta be honest here).

[#number6ix#]

Yeah

[ThatCoolKid]

Lebron's greater efficiency objectively makes him the better choice for MVP. Durant is going to have to get a significantly better team record to even the playing field, otherwise LBJ is getting number 5.

[LeGOAT]

Yes. Mvps are always won in December and Lebron will never put up numbers like that.

[Fudge]

Lebron's greater efficiency objectively makes him the better choice for MVP. Durant is going to have to get a significantly better team record to even the playing field, otherwise LBJ is getting number 5.
:roll:

[Purch]

This just reminded me of the Brandon Jennings thread right after his 55 point game, saying that they might as well give him the Roty right now.

Good times

[ThatCoolKid]

:roll:

I would retort rather snappily asking you what is laughable about my statement, but I pity the fact that a homosexual such as yourself has to live in Oklahoma. I hope everything goes alright for you.

[MASH Transit]

Lebron's greater efficiency objectively makes him the better choice for MVP. Durant is going to have to get a significantly better team record to even the playing field, otherwise LBJ is getting number 5.


This is a joke.

Durant has consistently been a more efficient scorer through both the regular and post seasons. Despite his efforts to protect his shooting percentages by refusing to take jump shots(mid range, mostly), LeBron's 3pt and ft shooting are sliding back to career averages. And his efficiency always takes a huge hit in the playoffs when the fast breaks, dunks, and open three's dry up.

[Fudge]

I would retort rather snappily asking you what is laughable about my statement, but I pity the fact that a homosexual such as yourself has to live in Oklahoma. I hope everything goes alright for you.
:roll:

Reeeelax, poindexter.

[branslowski]

Lebron's greater efficiency objectively makes him the better choice for MVP. Durant is going to have to get a significantly better team record to even the playing field, otherwise LBJ is getting number 5.

Durant more ppg and reb, more dominant games than LeBron this season. Like 8 30-5-5 games to Bron's 3. Lost Westbrook, 2-0 so far still dominating. Not to mention playing in a stronger conference and you want to give LeBron MVP due to a fg%? A f*cking fg%? Really my n!gga? Fg%:biggums:

[fpliii]

lmao no. I like KD more than LeBron, but I don't think so.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Dude led his squad to a blowout win against a top team in the West (Howard choked doe) without Westbrook. Puts up 33pts 11/17fg 13reb 5ast:eek: . Give this man the MVP.:bowdown: :bowdown:

(Sorry Paul George, gotta be honest here).
Give me your top 5 mvp rankings at this stage. Im curious as to how biased you are.

[NumberSix]

Free throws.

[longtime lurker]

Lebron's greater efficiency objectively makes him the better choice for MVP. Durant is going to have to get a significantly better team record to even the playing field, otherwise LBJ is getting number 5.

Nerd alert! This is one of the worst arguments I've ever seen.

[livinglegend]

:facepalm
December...

[KG215]

Free throws.
Two games without Westbrook: 33.5 PPG, 7.5 FTA/game. But go on, you're making very good points.

[Illuminati]

Only 3 more PPG than LeBron on 3 more FGA. Nothing really impressive he's doing. The only reason he's slightly ahead of LeBron in the MVP race is OKC's record. That's it.

[DMAVS41]

This shit changes so much throughout the year, but Durant is MVP to date...and it's clear.

Heat beating the Blazers without Lebron and the Thunder going 2-0 so far without Westbrook...can't overlook that

[branslowski]

Give me your top 5 mvp rankings at this stage. Im curious as to how biased you are.

1. Durant

2. Aldridge
3. LeBron
4. CP3
5. George

[Mr. Jabbar]

christmas mvp disagrees

[MavsSuperFan]

its almost as if lebron has been purposefully trying to be less impactful/more efficient.

[The Iron Fist]

Durant more ppg and reb, more dominant games than LeBron this season. Like 8 30-5-5 games to Bron's 3. Lost Westbrook, 2-0 so far still dominating. Not to mention playing in a stronger conference and you want to give LeBron MVP due to a fg%? A f*cking fg%? Really my n!gga? Fg%:biggums:
I done tolded you, FG% is on the back of the Larry O'Brien trophy.

[KingBeasley08]

Sorry but Christmas Day MVP >>>>>>

LeBron has 1 while Durant has none. Easy decision

[pauk]

If the games stopped right now, then i think he maybe could get away with it. But there are very many games left and Lebron/KD are close, each bad/great game they have (not just stats) is putting them back-n-forth eachother at 1-2.... right now Durant might have the edge and in the next it might change (Lebron might have to suit up first)...

Both are playing at higher level than anybody right now while having the top records, Durant has a better record, but the margin of difference there is nowhere near enough to use that as a favoring token at this moment....

[Fudge]

If the games stopped right now, then i think he maybe could get away with it. But there are very many games left and Lebron/KD are close, each bad/great game they have (not just stats) is putting them back-n-forth eachother at 1-2.... right now Durant might have the edge and in the next it might change (Lebron might have to suit up first)...

Both are playing at higher level than anybody right now while having the top records, Durant has a better record, but the margin of difference there is nowhere near enough to use that as a favoring token at this moment....
b-b-b-but like, KD's one of your favorite players too tho, according to you. Why do you seem like you're against it? :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

Can we just wait until after the 82nd game of the season? KD was also leading the MVP Race in the first 3 months, but Bron outplayed him.

[I.R.Beast]

best player in the league...better defender than lebron too.

[chips93]

This shit changes so much throughout the year, but Durant is MVP to date...and it's clear.

Heat beating the Blazers without Lebron and the Thunder going 2-0 so far without Westbrook...can't overlook that

i will happily overlook 3 games

the cavs sent that same portland team to overtime. but its just one game

[HurricaneKid]

Lets see what KDs stats are over the next six weeks. He really struggled at the beginning of the season without RWB.

And lets stop pretending more than 10% of the MVP race has been decided before 1/1.

But yes, KD is certainly ahead at the moment.

[BlazerRed]

I would retort rather snappily asking you what is laughable about my statement, but I pity the fact that a homosexual such as yourself has to live in Oklahoma. I hope everything goes alright for you.
Real mature kid :facepalm

[Droid101]

b-b-b-but like, KD's one of your favorite players too tho, according to you. Why do you seem like you're against it? :confusedshrug:
pauk is a piece of shit, and always will be. Never forget.

http://i.imgur.com/NjrwffZ.jpg

[Random_Guy]

durant is number 1 for mvp atm for me. IMO this is his year too, but you can never rule bron out. especially when durant was on a tear before the ASG last year too, then the heat went on a tear. It's still early in the season...give it some time folks.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

1. Durant

2. Aldridge
3. LeBron
4. CP3
5. George
You implied in your opening post that george was your #2, did you change that to stop yourself from looking like too much of an idiot.
Not saying there's not a chance of pg finishing second, just it probably wouldnt happen based off the season so far.
In my opinion, chances are the mvp will be largely decided in the lebron/kd performances in their head to heads.

[longtime lurker]

durant is number 1 for mvp atm for me. IMO this is his year too, but you can never rule bron out. especially when durant was on a tear before the ASG last year too, then the heat went on a tear. It's still early in the season...give it some time folks.

Keyword is Heat. One guy plays on a ridiculously stacked team in a laughably bad conference.

[leMVP]

Keyword is Heat. One guy plays on a ridiculously stacked team in a laughably bad conference.

:facepalm

It's not like the Heat lost 7 matches to 7 Western conference teams.

Also the Stacked excuse is getting out of hands, OKC as team this year is better than the Heat, Don't go by names and start watching some games man. :rolleyes:

[imnew09]

MVP = Most Wins in the league, best player on that team gets it.

If OKC lands first, no doubt Durant will get it.

[zoom17]

Can't hate on Durant so far he is the MVP key words so far

[longtime lurker]

:facepalm

It's not like the Heat lost 7 matches to 7 Western conference teams.

Also the Stacked excuse is getting out of hands, OKC as team this year is better than the Heat, Don't go by names and start watching some games man. :rolleyes:

I do follow games and the team can afford to give Wade every other game off and not bat an eye lash. Lebron goes out and his 3rd option put up 37 and 10:oldlol: And what you idiots don't seem to grasp is that when you're in the East you pad your record against sub .500 teams. If you're in the West you're going up against a lot more tougher teams more OFTEN. How the hell is OKC better than the Heat top to bottom? What drugs are you on right now? There's a huge margin for error with the Heat team. Put Carmelo on the team and he'd even be looking like a MVP.

[GASOL IS GOAT]

The Heat have a 100% win rate without Lebron this season. That right there should put him out of contention Durant is the clear favorite really.

[leMVP]

I do follow games and the team can afford to give Wade every other game off and not bat an eye lash. Lebron goes out and his 3rd option put up 37 and 10:oldlol: And what you idiots don't seem to grasp is that when you're in the East you pad your record against sub .500 teams. If you're in the West you're going up against a lot more tougher teams more OFTEN. How the hell is OKC better than the Heat top to bottom? What drugs are you on right now? There's a huge margin for error with the Heat team. Put Carmelo on the team and he'd even be looking like a MVP.

First, Look at Heat Record, 6 of their 7 losses had came on the hands of Eastern conference teams, While they won 20 of their last 21 games against the More tougher Western conference teams.

Second, Westbrook is better than any player on the Heat currently not named Lebron James, Ibaka is more or less like Bosh imo, Better Defensevily and little worse on offense but still can spread the floor.

OKC's Bench is much better than the Heat's bench, Jackson and Lamd shit on any other player the Heat have on their bench including Ray allen.

Also, Regular season wins without your superstars happens, OKC blowed HOU out without their 2nd best player, look how stacked are they. LOL

[GASOL IS GOAT]

First, Look at Heat Record, 6 of their 7 losses had came on the hands of Eastern conference teams, While they won 20 of their last 21 games against the More tougher Western conference teams.

Second, Westbrook is better than any player on the Heat currently not named Lebron James, Ibaka is more or less like Bosh imo, Better Defensevily and little worse on offense but still can spread the floor.

OKC's Bench is much better than the Heat's bench, Jackson and Lamd shit on any other player the Heat have on their bench including Ray allen.

Also, Regular season wins without your superstars happens, OKC blowed HOU out without their 2nd best player, look how stacked are they. LOL
Westbrook better than Wade? :lol

Ibaka on par with Bosh(37/10 against best team in NBA) :wtf:

Lebron stans underrating LBJ's teammates to make him look better.

[NumberSix]

Do people realize that LeBron and the Heat are off to a better start then they were last season?

[longtime lurker]

First, Look at Heat Record, 6 of their 7 losses had came on the hands of Eastern conference teams, While they won 20 of their last 21 games against the More tougher Western conference teams.

Second, Westbrook is better than any player on the Heat currently not named Lebron James, Ibaka is more or less like Bosh imo, Better Defensevily and little worse on offense but still can spread the floor.

OKC's Bench is much better than the Heat's bench, Jackson and Lamd shit on any other player the Heat have on their bench including Ray allen.

Also, Regular season wins without your superstars happens, OKC blowed HOU out without their 2nd best player, look how stacked are they. LOL

I like how you completely ignore the rest of the team and starting line up. The Thunder have Kendrick Perkins starting. Kendrick fvcking Perkins! A supporting cast of Chalmers, Battier, RAY ALLEN, Birdman, Beasley, Haslem and Cole is better than anyone the Thunder are throwing out there. Face facts, take Lebron off the team and the Heat can still make ECF in that garbage conference. Again talk to me when the Heat have to play multiple 50 win teams 4 times a season vs 2 times. Until then the East will continue to be a joke and should weigh into the criteria for selecting the MVP.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Westbrook better than Wade? :lol

Ibaka on par with Bosh(37/10 against best team in NBA) :wtf:

Lebron stans underrating LBJ's teammates to make him look better.
Now which stans does that sound like?

[Trollsmasher]

Yeah, right now it is clearly Durant

But let's wait for LeBron to destroy him h2h once again.

[Frozen1]

I think the MVP will be decided on the matchups between him and lebron.

If lebron drops 40 and humiliates durant in their games against each other, the MVP will go to lebron.

Otherwise, Durant is the clear mvp this season.

[kurple]

Lebron's greater efficiency objectively makes him the better choice for MVP. Durant is going to have to get a significantly better team record to even the playing field, otherwise LBJ is getting number 5.
why?

bran plays in the east. that should be taken into consideration

[MASH Transit]

Do people realize that LeBron and the Heat are off to a better start then they were last season?


Do you realize the East is historically weak, that Miami has played a bottom 5 SOS, and yet they have the 5th best winning percentage in basketball?

[poido123]

Lebron will get it unfortunately. :(

Westbrook getting injured killed KD's chances to get it.

OKC will likely slip in the standings, while Heat will finish with the #1 or #2 seed.



I got negged for this post.

Now which stan did I piss off this time? :lol

[Bandito]

Hand to Durant so he will hand it back to Lebron when he wins? Why do that to him though...

[Ken_Masters]

First, Look at Heat Record, 6 of their 7 losses had came on the hands of Eastern conference teams, While they won 20 of their last 21 games against the More tougher Western conference teams.

Second, Westbrook is better than any player on the Heat currently not named Lebron James, Ibaka is more or less like Bosh imo, Better Defensevily and little worse on offense but still can spread the floor.

OKC's Bench is much better than the Heat's bench, Jackson and Lamd shit on any other player the Heat have on their bench including Ray allen.

Also, Regular season wins without your superstars happens, OKC blowed HOU out without their 2nd best player, look how stacked are they. LOL

Wade is a better player than Westbrook, still. And Bosh is so much better than Ibaka it's not even funny.

[pegasus]

Durant is the clear-cut MVP at the moment. Although I agree with some of the other posters that WB's injury actually might hurt his chances. He plays in the much tougher conference and his current help will be inconsistent due to their experience level.

Lebron on the other hand has the most stacked team of all time, and they have been playing together for four years now. The fact that he's been outplayed by Wade in almost every game they played together is being overlooked at the moment, but if it continues, it might/should have an affect on the voters' decisions.

I'd even have LMA, CP3, and PG over Lebron at the moment. They are having to do a lot more. High FG%, especially if you watch the games and see how it's being achieved, is not impressive to me at all.

[Crafty]

So they can take him back 2 months from now? It's December.

[Solefade]

Durant right now...but we all know how this plays out :lol

[riseagainst]

we all know efficiency = MVP.!!!

[Solefade]

Durant is the clear-cut MVP at the moment. Although I agree with some of the other posters that WB's injury actually might hurt his chances. He plays in the much tougher conference and his current help will be inconsistent due to their experience level.

Lebron on the other hand has the most stacked team of all time, and they have been playing together for four years now. The fact that he's been outplayed by Wade in almost every game they played together is being overlooked at the moment, but if it continues, it might/should have an affect on the voters' decisions.

I'd even have LMA, CP3, and PG over Lebron at the moment. They are having to do a lot more. High FG%, especially if you watch the games and see how it's being achieved, is not impressive to me at all.


i'm giving KD the MVP right now but say what you want to try to discredit Lebron but he leads his team in almost all of the major statistical categories despite being how "stacked" they are. while KD is only leading his team (as well as the league) in PPG.

[Fudge]

i'm giving KD the MVP right now but say what you want to try to discredit Lebron but he leads his team in almost all of the major statistical categories despite being how "stacked" they are. while KD is only leading his team (as well as the league) in PPG.
Completely irrelevent when it comes to how stacked a team is. He's the best player on his team, nobody is even arguing that. But you could still have good-great players surrounding him, which he clearly does.

[Solefade]

Completely irrelevent when it comes to how stacked a team is. He's the best player on his team, nobody is even arguing that. But you could still have good-great players surrounding him, which he clearly does.

completely irrelevant? :biggums:



the point is they're not a serious contender without lebron. They would seriously get swept by the Pacers without him.

[pegasus]

i'm giving KD the MVP right now but say what you want to try to discredit Lebron but he leads his team in almost all of the major statistical categories despite being how "stacked" they are. while KD is only leading his team (as well as the league) in PPG.

He plays the most minutes and has the ball in his hands majority of the time and runs ahead of everyone when there's a fast-break opportunity, which is always generated by their suffocating defense. So, of course he will score more points than Wade and Bosh and get more assists than Chalmers, Wade, and Cole because they are forced to play off the ball to accommodate the only way Lebron knows how to play basketball. And tell me when his rebounding ever made a difference in terms of winning and losing a game. He snatches the ball out of his teammates' hands not opponents'.

[yeaaaman]

Do people realize that LeBron and the Heat are off to a better start then they were last season?

Do you realize they also went on a 27 game win streak last year?

So that isn't necessarily relevant to this year. Indiana's off to a better start. There are other good teams out there as well as the Heat.

[branslowski]

I think the MVP will be decided on the matchups between him and lebron.

If lebron drops 40 and humiliates durant in their games against each other, the MVP will go to lebron.

Otherwise, Durant is the clear mvp this season.

If this happens, it'll be hard to defend Durant's MVP hopes....But If LeBron's team beat Thunder inwhich LeBron has some 21pt 7reb 7ast game on 8/12 shooting then it doesn't change a thing, especially If Durant dominates with like 37pts 12reb 5ast 15/29 type game in a loss.

[Solefade]

He plays the most minutes and has the ball in his hands majority of the time and runs ahead of everyone when there's a fast-break opportunity, which is always generated by their suffocating defense. So, of course he will score more points than Wade and Bosh and get more assists than Chalmers, Wade, and Cole because they are forced to play off the ball to accommodate the only way Lebron knows how to play basketball. And tell me when his rebounding ever made a difference in terms of winning and losing a game. He snatches the ball out of his teammates' hands not opponents'.

how do you explain lebron being the highest +/- player in the NBA then? :confusedshrug:

[knicksman]

how do you explain lebron being the highest +/- player in the NBA then? :confusedshrug:

in the season but has the highest dropoff in the playoffs:lol

[EllisGW]

if you have kd as mvp, you should find a new sport watch because you obviously dont understand basketball. lebron has more impact on offense and defense.

[pegasus]

how do you explain lebron being the highest +/- player in the NBA then? :confusedshrug:
Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Chalmers are all in top-10.:lol That's what happens when you are on the most stacked team of all time and your team in the least competitive conference of all time. Miami is actually +10 when Lebron is on the bench. What are you gonna say about that?:lol

[fpliii]

in the season but has the highest dropoff in the playoffs:lol
Source for LeBron having the highest dropoff of +/- from regular season to the playoffs?

[Solefade]

Miami is actually +10 when Lebron is on the bench. What are you gonna say about that?:lol

link?

[branslowski]

link?

He's actually right, I seen it somewhere on ESPN when they were talkin about George being MVP. Hope he finds the link, so you can hilariously start to act like it doesn't matter nemore even after you were hype about it a few post ago.:lol

(I could care less about +/- honestly)

[knicksman]

Source for LeBron having the highest dropoff of +/- from regular season to the playoffs?


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

look at his 3 seasons in miami. +12.6 in the season..+3.7 in the playoffs. If thats not overrated. I dont know what it is

[Solid Snake]

I miss the days when "30" used to be the benchmark for the "best" player.

I guess it was a different era, but it's weird not seeing players, let alone a top 3 active player, not average 30 Points Per Game.