Is Kobe's 81 points...

[plowking]

the real NBA record?

We have Wilt, a skinny college kid somehow going from 230lbs to upwards of 300lbs in a very short span of time while entering the league. With his history of hanging out with Arnie and other well known bodybuilders notorious for their steroid use, is there any doubt that Wilt used it himself due to his obsession with lifting?

Is he essentially the first big time drug cheat in the NBA considering how relaxed the rules were back then on it, if there were any at all? Would Wilt be anywhere near as dominant without his steroids? Would he even be able to dunk?

Does this taint your view of Chamberlain? Does this simply show how great Kobe is doing such a feat naturally? Is it safe to assume Kobe>Chamberlain now, and that Wilt's record shouldn't count? All very interesting things to discuss.

[Yankstar]

the real NBA record?

We have Wilt, a skinny college kid somehow going from 230lbs to upwards of 300lbs in a very short span of time while entering the league. With his history of hanging out with Arnie and other well known bodybuilders notorious for their steroid use, is there any doubt that Wilt used it himself due to his obsession with lifting?

Is he essentially the first big time drug cheat in the NBA considering how relaxed the rules were back then on it, if there were any at all? Would Wilt be anywhere near as dominant without his steroids? Would he even be able to dunk?

Does this taint your view of Chamberlain? Does this simply show how great Kobe is doing such a feat naturally? Is it safe to assume Kobe>Chamberlain now, and that Wilt's record shouldn't count? All very interesting things to discuss.

Wilts 100 never happened. No video footage, wildly varying statements about where the game was held and how many people where there. Wilt going 90% from the free throw line when he is a career 50% FT shooter.

The evidence points to wilts 100 being the celebration for the rise of the black athlete, nothing more.

[Brizzly]

Very good points. However, I honestly don't believe that the NBA would have ALLOWED Chamberlain to play like Shaq did in his prime. As it was, they created SEVERAL rules in an attempt to curtail his overwhelming dominance, and none of them had much affect (except, perhaps, the banning of the dunking of FTAs.)

And think about this... Chamberlain was, by most accounts, very close to 7-2 (some claim even taller.) Now, put him in today's NBA, and measured with shoes, and he would probably have been every bit of 7-3. Throw in the fact that he was between 275-300 lbs for most of his career; was known as one of the most powerful athletes of his era; was a champion high-jumper (part-time BTW); a sprinter on KU's track team; and was a SKILLED offensive shooter,...well, just how well do you think he would perform in TODAY's NBA. My god, the man was blocking 4-5 of a PRIME Kareem's "unblockable" sky-hooks, per game...at age 35 for cryingoutloud. What would a 25-30 year old Chamberlain (and pre-injury) have been able to accomplish?

First of all, I have NEVER claimed that Chamberlain would average 50 ppg in today's NBA. As for 20 rpg, I think a motivated Wilt would be as capable as anyone in history. People forget that he just abused the best rebounders of his era. Not only that, but in the post-season, he had EIGHT post-seasons of 24.7+ rpg, including two of 29.1 rpg and 30.2 rpg.

Secondly, those that diminish Wilt's era because of "inflated" stats need to be rational here. In Wilt's 61-62 season, the NBA averaged 118.8 ppg. Contrast that with MJ's 86-87 season, when the NBA averaged 109.9 ppg. Not only that, but by the late 60's, circa 68-69, the NBA was averaging 112.3 ppg (and a Chamberlain who was taking, on average, 13.7 FGAS per game, STILL hung TWO 60+ point games...something that Kareem NEVER duplicated even ONCE...and Jabbar joined the NBA the very next season.)

And finally, the "anti-Wilt" clan will NEVER bring up LEAGUE AVERAGE in FG%, either. Wilt shot .540 over his entire career, in leagues that shot between .410 to .456. My god, he averaged 50.4 ppg on .506 shooting in a league that shot .426; he averaged 44.8 ppg on .528 shooting, in a league that shot .441; he averaged 36.9 ppg on .524 shooting, in a league that shot .433; he averaged 34.7 ppg on .510 shooting, in a league that shot .426 (BTW, the league widened the lane before the start of that season); 33.5 ppg on .540 shooting in a league that shot .433; and then averaged 24.1 ppg on a mind-numbing .683 shooting, in league that shot .441. Even in his LAST season, he averaged 13.2 ppg on .727 shooting, in a league that shot .456.

BTW, in Wilt's LAST post-season, covering 17 playoff games, he averaged 22.5 rpg (in a league that averaged 51.6 rpg)...which is even more interesting when you consider that SINCE that post-season, we have never again had a player average 20 rpg in the post-season, and in FACT, the next best mark was Kareem's 17.3 rpg in his '77 post-season.

You and I both know that the best athletes of the 60's and 70's (as well as those before and after) would adapt pretty quickly to the modern athletic events. I mentioned Bob Hayes. His 100 meter time is STILL the fastest by a legitimate NFL player (and he was a HOFer) even this day. BUT, can you imagine how much faster his times would be today with better shoes, surfaces, training, coaching, and modern medicine and technology? Can you imagine how much farther a 1965 Jack Nicklaus would have been hitting the ball with today's equipment and training? Mickey Mantle was clubbing 550+ HRs on an alcohol-diminished, injury-wracked body. What would he have been capable of with all of the benefits of modern technolgy?

Guys like Dickwad just immediately presume that today's athletes are more GIFTED and TALENTED. True, they have the experiences of the past generations to draw from, but they are NOT more TALENTED. And how do we know this? "Bridges." I have mentioned it many times, but there is no ONE year in which, all of a sudden, the game changed dramatically. The majority of posters here believe MJ to be the G.O.A.T. Did he just come into the league and start scoring 40-50 ppg? Players like Moses, Dr. J, Gilmore, and Kareem, who were dominant in the 70's, were no more, and no less dominant from their last seasons in the 70's, as they were in the early seasons in the 80's. In fact, Gilmore and Kareem, while not being as physically capable as they were in the 70's, suddenly became far more efficient. If anything, the level of play in the 80's became EASIER.

And you can go back to other players, as well. Rick Barry averaged 35.6 ppg on .451 shooting in '67, and 30.6 ppg on .464 shooting in 1975. Havlicek played almost an equal number of seasons in both the 60's and 70's, and his 70's stats were actually considerbaly better. Kareem had seasons in the 70's in which he shot .539, .529, .518, and even .513. Yet, in the 80's, his LOWEST FG% was .564 until his last two years (.532 and .475), and at ages 40 and 41. My god, he shot .604 and even .599 at age 37!

Of course, Kareem is the ultimate "bridge" simply because he nearly covered FOUR decades. And we know that while he was probably the best player of the 70's, we also know that he was STILL among the best players of the 80's, even into his late 30's. And we also KNOW that the best defensive centers of the 60's (excluding Russell, whom he did not face) gave him FAR more trouble defensively, then the best defensive centers of the 80's (Hakeem and Ewing...both of whom were also considered among the best centers of the 80's.)

We also KNOW that a PRIME Chamberlain dominated his peers much more than any other player. Here again, there are those here who believe Kareem was the G.O.A.T. Well, Kareem played FOUR seasons in the Chamberlain-era, and he faced MANY of the same players that a PRIME Wilt just annihilated. How come he wasn't scoring 50 and 60 points on those same players? And how come he wasn't at least scoring 40 ppg?

And how about rebounding? Chamberlain was LIGHT-YEARS ahead of his peers. And he was STILL leading the league in his LAST season. He CRUSHED players like Hayes, Unseld, Thurmond, Silas, and Kareem...and all of them were among the leaders for the rest of the decade of the 70's. Jeezus, in Chamberlain's LAST post-season, he averaged 22.5 ppg, in a league that averaged 51.6 rpg. I find it fascinating that no one else has averaged 20 rpg in a post-season since. In fact, Kareem's 17.3 rpg in the '77 playoffs has been the BEST mark since. How come?

Same with Chamberlain's staggering FG%'s. How come the so called "better" players of the next decade couldn't come close? You would have thought that since Kareem faced supposedly easier competition in the 70's, and against many of the centers of the 60's, that he would have routinely shot over 60%. He shot FAR worse against Thurmond and Wilt, and yet, as an old man, could hang an entire season against Hakeem of 33.0 ppg on .634 shooting. C'mon,...how is that possible, IF, the players of the 80's were truly better than those of the 60's?

[Brizzly]

Of course you grew up in the 60's and watched players like Oscar, Russell, Thurmond, Maravich (who was doing things with a ball at LSU in the 60's that I STILL haven't seen done as well), McAdoo (he played in college in the 60's), Barry (who was just as great in the 60's as he was in the 70's), Havlicek (who was BETTER in the 70's than he was in the 60's), Hayes, Lanier, Cowens, Unseld, Hawkins, Bing, Gilmore (remember, he was playing college ball in the 60's), West, Lucas, KAREEM, Chamberlain, ...and in the early 70's, players like Walton, Thompson, and many others...

and, you claim that they would not be just as great today.

And yet,...we have players like 6-7 Ben Wallace, who couldn't hit a shot from 3 ft, but was the BEST rebounder for TWO straight seasons in the 00's. Dennis Rodman, 6-8 stringbean who CRUSHED players like Shaq, Robinson, and your boy Hakeem on the glass, in the 90's. Or how about 6-9 Kevin Love leading the NBA in rebounding, and by a good margin. Hell, I would argue that Russell, Thurmond, Gilmore, and Wilt would NEVER have allowed Love, Wallace, or Rodman (and by extension, Shaq, Robinson, and most assuredly Hakeem) outrebound them.

How do explain Steve Nash being an MVP in the 00's? Was he a 7-2 PG? Hell no, he was SMALLER than Oscar and West. Once again, Maravich would have made these modern players look helpless. McAdoo could shoot lights out from 20+ ft. He was a better scorer in the mid-70's than a PRIME Kareem.

Of course, EVERY era has their GREAT players. I haven't seen players like Magic or Bird since they retired. Hakeem was a one-of-a-kind center in the 80's and 90's. Shaq was a one-of-a-kind center in the 00's. MJ was a one-of-a-kind player in the 80's and 90's.

So, you have to ask yourself, where have the other Shaq's been? He was at his peak in the early 00's, and we haven't seen anything remotely similar since. Where are the Jordan's of the 80's and 90's? Where are the Kareem's, who, at age 38, scored at WILL against Hakeem, who was regarded as the best defensive center of the 80's, (BUT, in his PRIME, struggled against Thurmond and Wilt in the TWILIGHTS of their careers)? Where are the Moses', players who just pounded their peers? Where are the Pistol's? The Oscar's? The West's? The Russell's (a 6-10 WORLD CLASS HIGH JUMPER with incredible speed and athleticism)? And of course, where are the 7-2 300 lbers with staggering strength, leaping ability, and speed, and with SKILLS that few have been able to match for a man of his size?

r that entire 85-86 regular season, in their FIVE H2H games, Kareem averaged 33.0 ppg and shot an eye-popping .634 from the field against Hakeem and the Rockets.

True, Hakeem torched LA in games three and four of the WCF's, but unfortunately for Kareem, he seemed to have SEVERAL post-seasons in which he played considerably worse than he did in the regular season. He was well below his normal averages against Wilt in their '71 WCF's (25 ppg and .481 shooting, in a year in which he averaged 31.7 ppg and shot .577.) In the '72 playoffs against Thurmond, he averaged 22.8 ppg on .405 shooting, but his superior teammates allowed him to escape to the next series against LA, where, despite 33 ppg, he only shot .457 against Wilt (and only .414 in the last four games.) In game seven of the '74 Finals, and at home, he was outplayed by 6-9 Dave Cowens (outscored, outrebounded, and outshot), although to his credit, he played exceptionally well for the rest of that series. He was outplayed by Moses in both the '81 and '83 post-season. And, he was awful in his '88 and '89 post-seasons, particularly the Finals.

Still, for a 37 and 38 year old Kareem to be just be CRUSHING a Hakeem whose numbers were not far from his peak in those years (and his shooting even better) just says it all. His 46 point game came against a 23 year old Hakeem, too. Why is that important? Because a Kareem at 23 was the league MVP, and a Finals MVP. Furthermore, Hakeem was voted first-team all-defense in the very next season (86-87), so clearly, if an over-the-hill Kareem could abuse a 23 year-old Hakeem...the assumption has to be that a PRIME Kareem would just have carpet-bombed a prime Hakeem.

BTW, Hakeem couldn't contend with Kareem's sweeping hook, but a 35 year old Wilt, at the twilight of his career, and playing on a surgically-repaired knee, could block FIFTEEN of them in the '72 WCF's.


No matter what, the "anti-Chamberlain" gang will find fault with it. They will rip the short, nerdy, clumsy, weak, inept opposing players. And they will scoff at the pace.


Bill Simmons, who is a nororious liar, claims to have watched one of Wilt's 73 point NBA games. Of course, instead of praising the accomplishment, he proceeded to slam the inferior competition. BTW, not sure which one of his two 73 point games that it might have been, either. He had a 73 point game, on 29-48 shooting from the floor, and 15-25 from the line, along with 36 rebounds in a game against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy (who would measure at 7-0 in today's NBA BTW.)

In any case, it would certainly be a miracle to see. At least we won't have to deal with some moron editing a couple of Wilt's worst games, into a two minute video, and only showing his awkward moves and shots. Or showing Chamberlain throwing up a wild, off balance shot, in an agenda-driven slap...and leaving out the fact that it came as time expired on the shot clock.

I have long maintained that if we had footage of just ONE of Wilt's 271 40+ NBA games, that it would go a long way towards destroying the "Chamberlain-bashers" on this forum. Even now, quite a few have headed for cover in the last few months with CavsFan's videos of Wilt's "insane vertical", and solid highlights of a young Wilt, from High School, College, through the first half of his NBA career, in which he is taking and making MANY 10-15+ ft. shots (and even displaying decent form on his free throws. And we also have had a video from none other than Tex Winter claiming that because of Wilt's "freakish activity", the NCAA (and the NBA) banned the dunking of FT's.

Looking forward to it...

[NumberSix]

The real record is 63.

[plowking]

All very good points Brizzly, but I'm not so sure he would have been as good as he was without the help of steroids, which is very likely.

This guy had a huge advantage over the field as it was, with basketball being very young, not fully integrated at his time, free flowing, and he still felt the need to cheat with steroids.

Do we start to question Wilt's competitive spirit at this point? He didn't win nearly as many championships as the other all time greats despite all his advantages and steroid use.

[Brizzly]

Of course the OBVIOUS reply to that would be this...

how many good CENTERS were in the ABA from '68 thru '76? Which is really what this topic is all about.

Gilmore.

I won't count Moses because he didn't become a force until his NBA career.

The fact was, the ABA could match the talent levels of most of the NBA teams...EXCEPT, at the CENTER position.

Furthermore, had the NBA and ABA merged in '67-68, the scoring numbers likely would have gone UP in that span...which is EXACTLY what happened when the two leagues DID merge. So, I would argue that McAdoo and Kareem likely would have scored MORE had that merger taken place sooner.

The article mentioned Rick Barry, as well. In his 66-67 NBA season, he averaged 35.6 ppg (the highest non-Wilt scoring season during the Wilt-era.) In his 68-69 ABA season, he averaged 34.0 ppg on .511 shooting. In his 71-72 ABA season, he averaged 31.5 ppg on .458 shooting. And then, in a return to the NBA, and in his championship 74-75 season, he averaged 30.6 ppg on .464 shooting.

Barry's NBA and ABA numbers were similar throughout. And, once again, given the weaker ABA CENTERS, I suspect that with not only a higher pace (of the ABA), but with worse diluted competition, that the NBA CENTERS numbers in the 68-76 period would have been HIGHER. For instance, in McAdoo's 74-75 NBA season, he averaged 34.5 ppg in a league that averaged 102.6 ppg. The ABA averaged 108.8 ppg that season.

And before someone mentions that McAdoo's scoring dropped after the merger, he was injury-plagued after his 75-76 season...

recall all the hype surrounding Greg Oden a few years ago. 7-0 280 lbs. The next truly dominant center. The problem was, he wasn't even GREAT in HIGH SCHOOL for cryingoutloud. His numbers PALED in comparison to the REAL greats that played in high school. Wilt and Kareem's WORST games in high school were better than Oden's BEST.

He was good, but certainly not GREAT in his freshman year in college, either. In fact, his only real claim to potential was his game in the NCAA Finals.

When I finally got around to actually watching him play...after reading all the hype...I was EXTREMELY disappointed. I have seen MANY centers in my lifetime that were better. Hell, I grew up within a few miles of Bill Cartwright (who, BTW, had unbelieveable numbers in high school.) In fact, I saw him play first hand, when he personally destroyed our high school team.

But, as fantastic as Cartwright appeared (and he would become a very good pro), I also SAW him live, get outplayed by none other than Kurt Rambis in a college game.

And simply put, Cartwright was a BETTER all-around player than Oden ever was.

The FACT is, there have been VERY few ELITE CENTERS in the history of the game. Players who just completely DOMINATED the game.

And while Dwight is the best center of this era, I honestly believe there were a NUMBER of CENTERS in the 70's, and then again in the 90's, that were better.

And looking at the colleges and high schools today, I STILL don't see anything close to the next Shaq, Russell, Kareem, Moses, or Wilt.

Ok, I won't defend the 50's here. Much like even the NFL, the best athletes were playing baseball in the 50's. And, the Black athletes did not really become a factor until the late 50's. Furthermore, the game, while around for decades, did not become anything that remotely resembles what we see today, until several rules were put in place...most notably, the shot-clock. IMO, without the shot-clock, interest in the NBA would have soon died by the 60's.

Having said that, from the LATE 50's, to what we have today, there is really very LITTLE that has changed. And anyone that automatically looks at 1960, and then states that 2010 is MUCH different is fooling themselves. Sure, players today are more athletic. But in terms of skills, not so much. Look at FT shooting. The league shot .735 in 1960. Last year it was .759. There were seasons, in between, that were higher, as well. And there were players hitting 93% of their FT's in the 50's. Now, FG%'s rose quite a bit from the early 60's thru the 80's, but there were a variety of reasons for that. Cold and breezy gyms. Uneven floors (and perhaps even baskets...especially when fans were allowed to shake the structures. And the two biggest were the fact that the ball was not uniform until around 1970...and the brutal scheduling (Wilt once played FIVE straight games in five nights...and there were no B2B home games in that stretch.)

True, players today have benefitted from the advances in the last 50 years, but the actual progression has been very minimal. What, you say??!! I have used "bridges" before, like Kareem, but I won't even use that argument here. I don't have to.

One, as G.O.A.T pointed out, players today are only MARGINALLY taller and bigger than those of even 50 years ago. The actual measurements don't lie. In fact, as he also pointed out, given the fact that most players today are measured in shoes, while most were measured barefoot back in the 60's and 70's...well, even the already small differences are reduced to microscopic.

And secondly, take a look at each season...individually. Many players that played in the early 60's were still playing in the early 70's. Many players that began in the mid-60's, were still playing in the mid-70's. Those players played against players that started in the early and mid-70's, and those players played against players in the 80's...and so on. Rick Barry led the NBA in scoring in a much higher scoring league in '67 at 35.6 ppg. He led the NBA in scoring in '75, at 30.6 ppg, on a slightly higher FG%. Dr. J dominated the ABA in the early 70's, and was scoring 32 ppg in that "watered down" league. In 1980 he averaged 27 ppg in the NBA that had absorbed the best ABA players. A prime Artis Gilmore averaged 18.6 on .522 shooting in the '77 NBA. Incredibly, he averaged 18.5 ppg on .652 shooting in '82. Moses averaged 24.8 ppg in '79, and 24.6 ppg in '85.

You can see where I am going with all of this. There is simply no single year in NBA history, in which can clearly be defined as THE year that the NBA changed, or became better, or became what we have today.

And once again, I get a kick out of those just automatically dismiss Chamberlain's accomplishments based on "era." I have heard and read RIDICULOUS claims that, based on the "inflated" numbers of the early 60's, that those numbers would be around a 25-14 player today. Huh??? Were teams, on AVERAGE, scoring 200 ppg in 1962? Were team's, on AVERAGE, grabbing 90 rpg in 1962? Hell no. In 1962, the NBA averaged 118.8 ppg...which is not a hell of a whole lot more than the 100.4 of 2010. Throwing out team rebounds, which were recorded before 1973...and the team's averaged about 60 rpg at their PEAK in the 60's. In 2010 it was 42. In Wilt's last season, in 73, it was under 52 (and he averaged 22.5 rpg in 17 playoff games that season.)

Think about this as well. IF some player were to come into the NBA next season, and average 40 ppg...would that be more shocking than when Wilt came into the league? Before Chamberlain arrived in 1960, the scoring record was 29.2 ppg. Within three years, Wilt was averaging 50 ppg. Can you imagine just how overwhelming that must have seemed at the time???? And, before Wilt's rookie season, the NBA FG% record was .490. Wilt pounded that mark in all but his rookie season, and set the FG% record FIVE times, with a high of .727...and it has not been challenged since...DESPITE the fact that leagues, as a whole have shot MUCH better than when Wilt was shooting .683 and .727.

As for Wilt's scoring...take Wilt out of the equation, and Rick Barry's 35.6 ppg in '67 was the HIGH DURING Wilt's 14 years in the league. Kareem averaged 34.8 ppg in '72. Baylor averaged 34.8 in '60 (and 34.0 on '63.) Archibald was at 34.0 in Wilt's last season (1973.) There were a few more low 30+ ppg seasons, mostly by West and Oscar, but that was it. If Wilt's era was so easy to score in...how come no one else approached his numbers...even DURING his career??? And given the fact that McAdoo averaged 34.5 in '75, just two years after Wilt retired (in a league that only averaged 102.6 ppg BTW...which was only 1.8 ppg more than in 2010), MJ averaged 37.1 ppg in '87, and Kobe averaged 35.4 ppg in '06...well, ASIDE from Wilt, there was very little difference in the high scoring seasons in Wilt's 14 years...and even those 45 years later.

In any case, the game is not significantly different today, than what it was in the 60's. Same ball, rim, and courts. And same types of players, too.

[longtime lurker]

the real NBA record?

We have Wilt, a skinny college kid somehow going from 230lbs to upwards of 300lbs in a very short span of time while entering the league. With his history of hanging out with Arnie and other well known bodybuilders notorious for their steroid use, is there any doubt that Wilt used it himself due to his obsession with lifting?

Is he essentially the first big time drug cheat in the NBA considering how relaxed the rules were back then on it, if there were any at all? Would Wilt be anywhere near as dominant without his steroids? Would he even be able to dunk?

Does this taint your view of Chamberlain? Does this simply show how great Kobe is doing such a feat naturally? Is it safe to assume Kobe>Chamberlain now, and that Wilt's record shouldn't count? All very interesting things to discuss.

So someone points out in another thread that Lebron's point milestone at 29 is not as impressive as Jordan, Wilt and Kareem because they all started later than him and this guy makes a thread claiming that Wilt did steroids. Heat fans have to be some of the most homotional posters on this board

[coin24]

Where is jlauber chaimberlain?:oldlol:

[plowking]

I think Brizzly's insanely quick typing is more impressive than any record in the NBA, ever, by any player at this point.

[Vienceslav]

Brizzy should be a sports writer, with this kind of speed he'd never miss a deadline.

[plowking]

So someone points out in another thread that Lebron's point milestone at 29 is not as impressive as Jordan, Wilt and Kareem because they all started later than him and this guy makes a thread claiming that Wilt did steroids. Heat fans have to be some of the most homotional posters on this board

Absolutely not. Just a shout out to the great Kobe, and an interesting conversation starter about Wilt.

[AintNoSunshine]

I think Brizzly's insanely quick typing is more impressive than any record in the NBA, ever, by any player at this point.


That's efficient and dominant as heel:bowdown:

[Odinn]

Wilt scoring over some joke defense 100 points isn't legit. But Kobe scoring 81 over the Raptors, is. Right?..

No. Wilt is the record-holder.

[AI Thornton]

Brizzly's speed :bowdown:

[AI Thornton]

My favorite parts of Brizzly's posts are responding to people that aren't in this thread. "Very good points. However, I honestly don't believe that the NBA would have ALLOWED Chamberlain to play like Shaq did in his prime."

Laziest repost of all time or THE laziest repost of all time?

[Jameerthefear]

Brizzly :roll: :roll: I see what you did there

[VIntageNOvel]

Brizzly's speed :bowdown:


brizzly and pauk showdown, the one who write to 1,000 words first win, who you got? :applause:

[Scholar]

My favorite parts of Brizzly's posts are responding to people that aren't in this thread. "Very good points. However, I honestly don't believe that the NBA would have ALLOWED Chamberlain to play like Shaq did in his prime."

Laziest repost of all time or THE laziest repost of all time?

:roll:

All these other dudes didn't even bother reading the post.









Edit: I should mention I didn't read brizzly's post either.

[plowking]

:roll:

All these other dudes didn't even bother reading the post.









Edit: I should mention I didn't read brizzly's post either.

:oldlol:

[Bandito]

the real NBA record?

We have Wilt, a skinny college kid somehow going from 230lbs to upwards of 300lbs in a very short span of time while entering the league. With his history of hanging out with Arnie and other well known bodybuilders notorious for their steroid use, is there any doubt that Wilt used it himself due to his obsession with lifting?

Is he essentially the first big time drug cheat in the NBA considering how relaxed the rules were back then on it, if there were any at all? Would Wilt be anywhere near as dominant without his steroids? Would he even be able to dunk?

Does this taint your view of Chamberlain? Does this simply show how great Kobe is doing such a feat naturally? Is it safe to assume Kobe>Chamberlain now, and that Wilt's record shouldn't count? All very interesting things to discuss.He 7 feet tall so yes I think he could dunk. ANd there is no proof he used steroids so no Wilt is still better than Lebron.

[Bandito]

brizzly and pauk showdown, the one who write to 1,000 words first win, who you got? :applause:
I'm a pauk stan so I pull for pauk.

[plowking]

He 7 feet tall so yes I think he could dunk. ANd there is no proof he used steroids so no Wilt is still better than Lebron.

I'm not so sure he dunks without steroids.

[kurple]

I think Brizzly's insanely quick typing is more impressive than any record in the NBA, ever, by any player at this point.
agreed

[Bandito]

I'm not so sure he dunks without steroids.
He barely has to jump though, he's freaking tall.

[plowking]

He barely has to jump though, he's freaking tall.

I still think he'd need a boost up from one of the 6 foot white centers he played against. He might be able to rim tap.

[Brizzly]

u guys are mean, u knoe how long it took me to post that. U dont have to read it but dont make fun of me I have feelings too.

[VIntageNOvel]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6281416&postcount=46

:oldlol:

welcome back brur:applause:

[Psileas]

I still think he'd need a boost up from one of the 6 foot white centers he played against. He might be able to rim tap.

Without steroids, wouldn't he also be a 6 foot white center?

[VIntageNOvel]

I'm a pauk stan so I pull for pauk.

but kobe is injured now, and is at the end of his career,
so maybe we would never see peak/prime pauk again :(

[Bandito]

but kobe is injured now, and is at the end of his career,
so maybe we would never see peak/prime pauk again :(
like 9erempire's, pauk's peak happened a long time ago. Legends in itself:(

[sejoon101]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6281416&postcount=46

:oldlol:

lol.

Quickest copy n pasta

[gts]

I think Brizzly's insanely quick typing is more impressive than any record in the NBA, ever, by any player at this point.

Cut and paste.... lot's of it coming from this thread

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232919

I'll let the ISH detectives figure out his alt

[inclinerator]

brizzly's wiki page

[Solid Snake]

Record-wise, and stat-wise, accomplishments in basketball prior to the 70s don't count. I'm not talking cultural impact, significance, barrier breaking, etc. I'm talking pure stat and numbers accomplishments. They don't count. I shouldn't have to explain why.

[Marchesk]

Record-wise, and stat-wise, accomplishments in basketball prior to the 70s don't count. I'm not talking cultural impact, significance, barrier breaking, etc. I'm talking pure stat and numbers accomplishments. They don't count. I shouldn't have to explain why.

Except they do count, according to the NBA, which is all that matters.

[Brizzly]

I just saved J LAuber hours of time by finding his old posts.

[Trollsmasher]

I see that jlauber's original 2 MB Word docs filled with Wilt essays are running in circles around the internet:lol

[plowking]

Except they do count, according to the NBA, which is all that matters.

Should they do? Wilt, the steroid cheat really shouldn't be counted.

We saw him go from a 230lbs college kid to a 330lbs beast in just a matter of seasons. It was well known he was caught up in the bodybuilding crowd as well.

[Legends66NBA7]

Cut and paste.... lot's of it coming from this thread

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232919

I'll let the ISH detectives figure out his alt

I already knew where his content was coming from and I know who his previous handle is.

[Donkey4trading]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=315637

[fpliii]

Weak era for trolling.

[TheBigVeto]

the real NBA record?

We have Wilt, a skinny college kid somehow going from 230lbs to upwards of 300lbs in a very short span of time while entering the league. With his history of hanging out with Arnie and other well known bodybuilders notorious for their steroid use, is there any doubt that Wilt used it himself due to his obsession with lifting?

Is he essentially the first big time drug cheat in the NBA considering how relaxed the rules were back then on it, if there were any at all? Would Wilt be anywhere near as dominant without his steroids? Would he even be able to dunk?

Does this taint your view of Chamberlain? Does this simply show how great Kobe is doing such a feat naturally? Is it safe to assume Kobe>Chamberlain now, and that Wilt's record shouldn't count? All very interesting things to discuss.

No.
Chamberlain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe
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