Can the Heat get Andrew Bynum? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

j3lademaster

12-30-2013, 05:47 AM

nothing will happen except ppl will call them again as the most stacked team in history. but when asked if they would beat the Jordan Bulls, they would say Heat would lose. yet they're still the most stacked team in history. ever. that would always lose to legendary teams. go figure.Heat are stacked relative to their competition, there's no denying that. And shouldn't that be a compliment really? Saying your team is insanely good.

plowking

12-30-2013, 05:55 AM

Heat are stacked relative to their competition, there's no denying that. And shouldn't that be a compliment really? Saying your team is insanely good.

There are more talented teams in the league, so getting Bynum would be a great addition.

VIntageNOvel

12-30-2013, 05:55 AM

Heat are stacked relative to their competition, there's no denying that. And shouldn't that be a compliment really? Saying your team is insanely good.

ether :applause:

bran stan got exposed,
any team fans should be proud if they got a great team

zoom17

12-30-2013, 06:14 AM

ether :applause:

bran stan got exposed,
any team fans should be proud if they got a great team

where is the ether:oldlol:

senelcoolidge

12-30-2013, 06:34 AM

So what happened to Greg Oden? I think someone else will pick him up. Probably the Clippers.

poido123

12-30-2013, 06:51 AM

Hope so. Its always great to see the reactions on this board anytime the Heat get anyone.

I'm surprised people weren't acting like we got MJ when Roger Mason Jr landed on our team.

I think people can distinguish the impact between a Roger Mason and an Oden or Beasley.

You guys have a ridiculous amount of talent, any year you don't win a championship will be a big disappointment.

poido123

12-30-2013, 06:55 AM

There are more talented teams in the league, so getting Bynum would be a great addition.

Your homerism goes to levels I didn't think was possible :oldlol:

We have seen time and time again how stacked this team is. Stop trying to downplay the fact the Heat have all the advantages over the last few years (injuries to most of their competition, resting up their stars because of their depth etc).

comerb

12-30-2013, 07:16 AM

Your homerism goes to levels I didn't think was possible :oldlol:

We have seen time and time again how stacked this team is. Stop trying to downplay the fact the Heat have all the advantages over the last few years (injuries to most of their competition, resting up their stars because of their depth etc).

Yes, the Heat are the best team in basketball, that tends to be how it works with championship teams... in fact the only team I can think of in the last 20 years that wasn't "stacked" that won a ring was the 2011 Mavs, who just hit a ridiculously hot streak.

They've also been taken to 7 games by multiple teams, so it's nowhere as near as big of a difference as people would make believe.

Also, the only injuries of note are by superstars that the Heat readily beat in the playoffs when their teams where fully healthy (Bulls, Thunder).

coin24

12-30-2013, 08:12 AM

If the Heat get Bynum just hand them the title now:facepalm Bran has so much help now he can just sit back and win without playing:oldlol:

kurple

12-30-2013, 08:25 AM

bynum should be banned from the nba. honestly

poido123

12-30-2013, 08:28 AM

If the Heat get Bynum just hand them the title now:facepalm Bran has so much help now he can just sit back and win without playing:oldlol:

:oldlol:

Perhaps he can go bowling with Bynum and take it easy :D

plowking

12-30-2013, 08:34 AM

Your homerism goes to levels I didn't think was possible :oldlol:

We have seen time and time again how stacked this team is. Stop trying to downplay the fact the Heat have all the advantages over the last few years (injuries to most of their competition, resting up their stars because of their depth etc).

Are you bipolar?

I thought you said I prop up everything Heat, and downplay other teams? Now I'm doing the opposite and you call me out? :oldlol:
I can't win, either way... lol.

How exactly are the Heat more stacked than the Clippers for example? They have us beat at PG, PF and C. They also have a better bench.
How about OKC? How are they not as talented?

How about the Spurs? They have a better PG, PF, C, and their bench is just as deep.

kurple

12-30-2013, 08:36 AM

heat is more stacked. give it up bro

I<3NBA

12-30-2013, 08:36 AM

ether :applause:

bran stan got exposed,
any team fans should be proud if they got a great team
ether? wtf? ofc i'm happy my team's good. i'm just pointing out the utter idiocy of others labeling Heat as most stacked team ever but having them lose all theoretical matchups vs other legendary teams.

i'm not complaining Heat is insanely good. i'm just saying how moronic others are saying the Heat is the most stacked team in NBA history, but then saying they would lose to every other legendary teams.

you do realize how idiotic is that? if they are the most stacked team in NBA history, then they should beat all other historical teams, right?

but no, haters want it both ways.

plowking

12-30-2013, 08:36 AM

heat is more stacked. give it up bro

You're worthless. Seriously.

I<3NBA

12-30-2013, 08:39 AM

If the Heat get Bynum just hand them the title now:facepalm Bran has so much help now he can just sit back and win without playing:oldlol:
ofc he should get so much help. teams win championships, not individuals. but morons like you can never ever, ever understand that.

if he doesn't have help, then they are not playing as a team. and Heat would lose ofc.

only morons like you watch a team sport but think it's an individual sport.

go watch tennis or golf you moron. then you can cheer for one specific player.

kurple

12-30-2013, 08:40 AM

You're worthless. Seriously.
Is Daequan Cook is still better than Afflalo?

plowking

12-30-2013, 08:43 AM

Is Daequan Cook is still better than Afflalo?

What kind of question is that?

poido123

12-30-2013, 08:59 AM

Are you bipolar?

I thought you said I prop up everything Heat, and downplay other teams? Now I'm doing the opposite and you call me out? :oldlol:
I can't win, either way... lol.

How exactly are the Heat more stacked than the Clippers for example? They have us beat at PG, PF and C. They also have a better bench.
How about OKC? How are they not as talented?

How about the Spurs? They have a better PG, PF, C, and their bench is just as deep.

:biggums:

You will say anything that will make Lebron look good basically. I see agenda in every post you do. Not surprised since you think Lebron is the GOAT :oldlol:

Did you really go there with a Spurs comparison? really? :roll: :roll:

Old ass Duncan, Parker is solid, Splitter is worth the mention? :facepalm That team has some talent, but not Heat talent level, give me a break :oldlol: Pop is behind much of their success and it has little to do with the talent on that team, but more that players buy into his system and put the system and team first before individual glory. They use a number of screens, pick and roll to create an open shot and their ball movement is top notch. The last few years they have gone more uptempo and become a better offensive team because of it.

Clippers have equal talent to Heat, I wouldn't say more or less.

Heat have arguably 3 players better than Griffin and 2 players better than Paul. Then you get down to the role players, with Heat having slightly less talent but they have talented role player that perfectly fit their stars.

plowking

12-30-2013, 09:08 AM

:biggums:

You will say anything that will make Lebron look good basically. I see agenda in every post you do. Not surprised since you think Lebron is the GOAT :oldlol:

Did you really go there with a Spurs comparison? really? :roll: :roll:

Old ass Duncan, Parker is solid, Splitter is worth the mention? :facepalm That team has some talent, but not Heat talent level, give me a break :oldlol: Pop is behind much of their success and it has little to do with the talent on that team, but more that players buy into his system and put the system and team first before individual glory. They use a number of screens, pick and roll to create an open shot and their ball movement is top notch. The last few years they have gone more uptempo and become a better offensive team because of it.

Clippers have equal talent to Heat, I wouldn't say more or less.

Heat have arguably 3 players better than Griffin and 2 players better than Paul. Then you get down to the role players, with Heat having slightly less talent but they have talented role player that perfectly fit their stars.

Our team is stacked because Lebron is on it. If you can't see that, then its on you. Its our biggest advantage.
Having a great coach is part of the team. Having the best coach in NBA history, Popovich, is part of it.
Most people on here think Duncan is better than Bosh. I'm not one of them, but it is what it is. So Duncan, Parker, Splitter, Leonard, Ginobili, etc is just as talented as the Heat.
Heat are the oldest team in the league, so... we're the ones running out of time.

And stop changing your stance. Do I make Lebron look good or everything Heat related? You can't make up your mind. Can't do one without downgrading the other.

Jameerthefear

12-30-2013, 09:18 AM

r ppl trying to argue that the heat arent stacked? lmao

kshutts1

12-30-2013, 09:28 AM

Are you bipolar?

I thought you said I prop up everything Heat, and downplay other teams? Now I'm doing the opposite and you call me out? :oldlol:
I can't win, either way... lol.

How exactly are the Heat more stacked than the Clippers for example? They have us beat at PG, PF and C. They also have a better bench.
How about OKC? How are they not as talented?

How about the Spurs? They have a better PG, PF, C, and their bench is just as deep.

I don't particularly care about the conversation, but...

Paul >>>>>> Chalmers
Wade >> Redick
Lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dudley
Bosh > Griffin (seriously... one has a full offensive repertoire, the other has a mostly full. One plays D, one not so much)
Jordan >>> Battier

No science to the ">", but I tried showing the gaps. I matched up Bosh and Griffin because both are better than the other two... Battier/Jordan respectively.

Now the benches...

Beasley (scoring, rebounding), Allen (elite shooting), Cole (scoring, shooting), Anderson (elite energy, shot blocking), Haslem (glue guy)
vs...

Crawford (elite scorer), Collison (one of top backup PGs when backing up Paul), Barnes (one of my favorite role players; do it all kinda player), no one else worth mentioning.

Yeah, pretty sure the Heat win here, too. They have a legit 5 man bench rotation. The Clippers have 3 players worth mentioning. And the Heat's players know their roles, and fill them nearly perfectly, which is huge. The Clippers'? I don't watch them as much, but they must, considering the wins the team has.... but I still don't think the bench is as good as the Heat's.

niko

12-30-2013, 09:51 AM

poido123

12-30-2013, 10:06 AM

Our team is stacked because Lebron is on it. If you can't see that, then its on you. Its our biggest advantage.
Having a great coach is part of the team. Having the best coach in NBA history, Popovich, is part of it.
Most people on here think Duncan is better than Bosh. I'm not one of them, but it is what it is. So Duncan, Parker, Splitter, Leonard, Ginobili, etc is just as talented as the Heat.
Heat are the oldest team in the league, so... we're the ones running out of time.

And stop changing your stance. Do I make Lebron look good or everything Heat related? You can't make up your mind. Can't do one without downgrading the other.

The Heat still go on winning against elite teams without Lebron playing. There's more to it than just simply having Lebron, comon now :oldlol:

poido123

12-30-2013, 10:11 AM

I don't particularly care about the conversation, but...

Paul >>>>>> Chalmers
Wade >> Redick
Lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dudley
Bosh > Griffin (seriously... one has a full offensive repertoire, the other has a mostly full. One plays D, one not so much)
Jordan >>> Battier

No science to the ">", but I tried showing the gaps. I matched up Bosh and Griffin because both are better than the other two... Battier/Jordan respectively.

Now the benches...

Beasley (scoring, rebounding), Allen (elite shooting), Cole (scoring, shooting), Anderson (elite energy, shot blocking), Haslem (glue guy)
vs...

Crawford (elite scorer), Collison (one of top backup PGs when backing up Paul), Barnes (one of my favorite role players; do it all kinda player), no one else worth mentioning.

Yeah, pretty sure the Heat win here, too. They have a legit 5 man bench rotation. The Clippers have 3 players worth mentioning. And the Heat's players know their roles, and fill them nearly perfectly, which is huge. The Clippers'? I don't watch them as much, but they must, considering the wins the team has.... but I still don't think the bench is as good as the Heat's.

:applause: Good post.

plowking

12-30-2013, 10:15 AM

Because they have Lebron and Wade. You want the best players, not a lot of good players. Ask the Nets how a lot of good players work.

poido is specifically being a little bitch about the cast surrounding Lebron. Westbrook and Durant are just about as good as Wade and Lebron, if it wasn't for the fact that Lebron is just that good.

OKC's supporting cast is just as good. Come on now. Reggie Jackson is one of the best backups in the league, Lamb is a good option off the bench, Adams gives them size, Ibaka is a great option to spread the floor and give you defense, etc.
The Thunder and Clippers have a lot less weaknesses than the Heat. People don't seem to realize that.
Lebron, Bosh and Wade are just that good they make up for it.
Heat get killed by any decent big man. What do the Thunder and Clippers give up? How about San Antonio? They don't.

Clippers, SA and OKC are just as stacked. I'm not arguing that the Heat aren't a good and loaded with talent team. They are. But they aren't the most stacked. Equally? Sure. But I'd take OKC's and Clippers cast around our best player, since I think they're better.

poido123

12-30-2013, 10:18 AM

poido is specifically being a little bitch about the cast surrounding Lebron. Westbrook and Durant are just about as good as Wade and Lebron, if it wasn't for the fact that Lebron is just that good.

OKC's supporting cast is just as good. Come on now. Reggie Jackson is one of the best backups in the league, Lamb is a good option off the bench, Adams gives them size, Ibaka is a great option to spread the floor and give you defense, etc.
The Thunder and Clippers have a lot less weaknesses than the Heat. People don't seem to realize that.
Lebron, Bosh and Wade are just that good they make up for it.
Heat get killed by any decent big man. What do the Thunder and Clippers give up? How about San Antonio? They don't.

Clippers, SA and OKC are just as stacked. I'm not arguing that the Heat aren't a good and loaded with talent team. They are. But they aren't the most stacked. Equally? Sure. But I'd take OKC's and Clippers cast around our best player, since I think they're better.

Sometimes I wonder if you look through glasses different to everyone else.

I wouldn't call you stupid, you make some excellent points at times backed up with some knowledge, but you are so jaded by your love of the Heat.

plowking

12-30-2013, 10:18 AM

The Heat still go on winning against elite teams without Lebron playing. There's more to it than just simply having Lebron, comon now :oldlol:

The Lakers keep winning without Kobe. The Bulls without Jordan won pretty much the same amount of games and should have made it to the ECF's if it wasn't for a BS call. Penny Hardaway led the Magic to more wins than Shaq ever did. I guess all these teams are just stacked beyond belief and are better without their best players.

Your logic is so stupid, and the fact you're using one game as evidence of anything proves how full of shit and vaulted you are in just antagonizing any Heat supporters on here.

plowking

12-30-2013, 10:21 AM

Sometimes I wonder if you look through glasses different to everyone else.

I wouldn't call you stupid, you make some excellent points at times backed up with some knowledge, but you are so jaded by your love of the Heat.

Sure. The Heat are just more stacked.

From the same idiot that argued Pippen being as good as Wade and Rodman better than Bosh. Yet hes upset about this Heat team. :oldlol:

Full of shit and can't get your arguments right. Go look at yahoo answers some more.

poido123

12-30-2013, 10:27 AM

The Lakers keep winning without Kobe. The Bulls without Jordan won pretty much the same amount of games and should have made it to the ECF's if it wasn't for a BS call. Penny Hardaway led the Magic to more wins than Shaq ever did. I guess all these teams are just stacked beyond belief and are better without their best players.

Your logic is so stupid, and the fact you're using one game as evidence of anything proves how full of shit and vaulted you are in just antagonizing any Heat supporters on here.

Heat have proven to win games when Lebron missed a game or two. It isn't the first time you should know that.

Bulls had a pretty good team backed by a good coach when Jordan didn't play, same thing, he had a fairly stacked team also. Which only further proves my point :confusedshrug:

I don't know about you, but Heat looked to be playing some really good ball without Lebron, Beating the Blazers on their home court, who were also playing well I might add, does not come from a team pulling off some kind of fluke. They are very good without Lebron too.

poido123

12-30-2013, 10:31 AM

Sure. The Heat are just more stacked.

From the same idiot that argued Pippen being as good as Wade and Rodman better than Bosh. Yet hes upset about this Heat team. :oldlol:

Full of shit and can't get your arguments right. Go look at yahoo answers some more.

Rodman is better than Bosh. Has more impact in a game and would overpower Bosh in a game of basketball.

Pippen is an elite defender and arguably the best SF defender the game has seen. Wade is more dynamic offensively and can score at will.

Pick your poison, if you needed more offense for your team you would go with Wade. If you needed an elite defensive player, who is pretty solid on offense? you would go with Pippen. You overrate every damn player who plays for the Heat, no shit :no:

plowking

12-30-2013, 10:33 AM

Heat have proven to win games when Lebron missed a game or two. It isn't the first time you should know that.

Bulls had a pretty good team backed by a good coach when Jordan didn't play, same thing, he had a fairly stacked team also. Which only further proves my point :confusedshrug:

I don't know about you, but Heat looked to be playing some really good ball without Lebron, Beating the Blazers on their home court, who were also playing well I might add, does not come from a team pulling off some kind of fluke. They are very good without Lebron too.

No one is arguing they aren't, but they aren't the most stacked team.

Put Lebron on the Pacers, OKC or Clippers supporting cast replacing their best player, and I bet people complain even more. Shit, even the current Bulls.

Bron, Butler, Deng, Boozer, Noah with Gibson, Hinrich, Dunleavy and Snell coming off the bench? You don't think that's a better team than the current Heat? :oldlol:
What are the weaknesses of that team?

plowking

12-30-2013, 10:35 AM

Rodman is better than Bosh. Has more impact in a game and would overpower Bosh in a game of basketball.

Pippen is an elite defender and arguably the best SF defender the game has seen. Wade is more dynamic offensively and can score at will.

Pick your poison, if you needed more offense for your team you would go with Wade. If you needed an elite defensive player, who is pretty solid on offense? you would go with Pippen. You overrate every damn player who plays for the Heat, no shit :no:

Of course, the 215lbs Rodman would abuse Bosh. :oldlol:

Dude... You're a hypocrite...:oldlol:
You just said I deliberately downplayed Lebron's cast, and now you're saying I overrate every damn player who plays for the Heat.

No point arguing with you since you don't know what you're arguing.

poido123

12-30-2013, 10:37 AM

No one is arguing they aren't, but they aren't the most stacked team.

Put Lebron on the Pacers, OKC or Clippers supporting cast replacing their best player, and I bet people complain even more. Shit, even the current Bulls.

Bron, Butler, Deng, Boozer, Noah with Gibson, Hinrich, Dunleavy and Snell coming off the bench? You don't think that's a better team than the current Heat? :oldlol:
What are the weaknesses of that team?

I'm gonna have to head to bed.

I just can't subject myself to reading more Plowking claims that the Heat aren't the most stacked team in the NBA. I just can't do it :oldlol:

Lebron would make the Bulls the best, because they need his offense. The Bulls parts do not translate to a functional offense capable of winning championships yet. They really do need that dynamic 2nd option scorer, before you say Boozer or Deng think about the word "dynamic".

imdaman99

12-30-2013, 10:43 AM

If they get him, it'll just be the rich getting richer.

But if this lazy fck with 0 heart actually got himself kicked off the Cavs because he wanted to go to a contender, what's the difference between him and Fisher? He used his son as an excuse, which was likely legit for a few months. And now he is backup of the team with the best record.

poido123

12-30-2013, 10:46 AM

Of course, the 215lbs Rodman would abuse Bosh. :oldlol:

Dude... You're a hypocrite...:oldlol:
You just said I deliberately downplayed Lebron's cast, and now you're saying I overrate every damn player who plays for the Heat.

No point arguing with you since you don't know what you're arguing.

Overpower can mean mentally intimidate, put a player off his game, or simply physically stronger. Rodman was stronger mentally and physically than Bosh, he would have Bosh off his game, like he did to many opponents in his day.

Rodman would abuse Bosh on the boards and throw bosh around like a ragdoll. Bosh might be better offensively, but I don't see him coming close to his averages on Rodman.

I don't mind conceding Wade to be slightly in front of Pippen, but it isn't a landslide.

AintNoSunshine

12-30-2013, 11:31 AM

If the Heat get Bynum just hand them the title now:facepalm Bran has so much help now he can just sit back and win without playing:oldlol:

Still not as talented as Shaq+Malone+Payton+Kobe+great supporting cast, not as talented as Kobe+Gasol+Howard+Nash either.

But talents alone doesn't win you games, it starts with great leadership and team play and chemistry, maybe Kobe should take notes. So when he has 4 HOF help for the 3rd time he can actually take advantage:oldlol:

Bandito

12-30-2013, 11:36 AM

Still not as talented as Shaq+Malone+Payton+Kobe+great supporting cast, not as talented as Kobe+Gasol+Howard+Nash either.

But talents alone doesn't win you games, it starts with great leadership and team play and chemistry, maybe Kobe should take notes. So when he has 4 HOF help for the 3rd time he can actually take advantage:oldlol:
Kobe should've used his magical powers and make sure those 3 other HOF were in tip top shape like Lebron had last year.

All Net

12-30-2013, 12:00 PM

For the record I don't think plowking was saying Miami aren't stacked. He just said talent wise teams like Thunder are also.

Pacers for example have great options where Miami are weak. C and the forward spots are their strength. While Paul George is a budding superstar. Would anybody be surprised if Pacers knock off Miami? I wouldn't. If indy gets hca you have to love their chances.

pegasus

12-30-2013, 12:59 PM

If they do get Bynum, I hope Lebron doesn't get to play in the playoffs, so his dickriders can watch his team win a chip without him.

I<3NBA

12-30-2013, 03:12 PM

if Heat can win without Lebron, would you put your dick on the line and bet Heat would win championship without Lebron?

because you just said Heat are so stacked they win without Lebron.

Solefade

12-30-2013, 03:28 PM

no one is arguing that the heat aren't a "stacked" team but the fact that everyone props up the signings of Ray Allen, Beasley and Oden like they were super sought after free agents. These guys were ON SALE, refurbished goods.

plowking

12-30-2013, 10:08 PM