Replace Lebron with Durant - Would Durant shoot a higher % on the Heat?

[Jameerthefear]

Title.

[DonDadda59]

Yes. Stacked teams automatically = 60% shooting by a perimeter player. We've seen it happen time and time again Historically.

[inclinerator]

maybe 1 percent higher

[MASH Transit]

No, but he could probably shoot 60% if he never took mid range jumpers or contested shots. It's easy to hit that mark when 80+% of your points are coming in the paint or at the line.

[EnoughSaid]

If Durant were to change up his style and post up more and go inside rather than shooting contested jumpers, than maybe.

[DonDadda59]

No, but he could probably shoot 60% if he never took mid range jumpers or contested shots. It's easy to hit that mark when 80+% of your points are coming in the paint or at the line.

So you're saying that Durant has the ability to get to the basket whenever he feels like it... and he doesn't take enough free throws as it is? :confusedshrug:

[Trollsmasher]

No, but he could probably shoot 60% if he never took mid range jumpers or contested shots. It's easy to hit that mark when 80+% of your points are coming in the paint or at the line.
So why doesn't Durant do this?:confusedshrug:

[DaSeba5]

So why doesn't Durant do this?:confusedshrug:

Beat me to it.

[Solefade]

Beat me to it.


me too lol :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yes. He would be shooting about 5-6% better (isn't Wade shooting like ~54%?) This Heat squad just beat Portland, who are damn near PERFECT at home, without their best player...on the road.

[coin24]

So why doesn't Durant do this?:confusedshrug:

Because durant can't just sit out and his team still beat top western conference teams:oldlol:
He cant pick and choose wide open shots and pad his stats all game because his team isn't ridiculously stacked like the heat.
Obviously it's not cheating or anything like that, but it's not impressive what Lebron is doing either. He wanted it that easy, quitters way..

[MASH Transit]

So you're saying that Durant has the ability to get to the basket whenever he feels like it... and he doesn't take enough free throws as it is? :confusedshrug:

No, what Im saying is that he's confident enough in his jumper to take it when he's pressured. Hence, he's able to sustain his efficiency in the post season in a way LeBron is not because he's accustomed to taking and making tough shots. He'd never be defended how the Spurs defended LeBron, because he'd never be afraid to shoot.

Between them, during playoff runs that extended beyond 15 games, Durant is more efficient from every spot on the floor. In some instances, significantly so.

Not to mention, Durant plays in a significantly better conference, with teammates that aren't nearly as talented or experienced.

[Trollsmasher]

Yes. He would be shooting about 10-12% better (isn't Wade shooting like ~54%?) This Heat team beat a Blazers team, who are damn near PERFECT at home, without their best player...on the road.
Fixed, you are clearly underestimating him.

[MASH Transit]

If Durant were to change up his style and post up more and go inside rather than shooting contested jumpers, than maybe.

Durant has a better post game than LBJ. Has been the case for two season.

[Jameerthefear]

Durant has a better post game than LBJ. Has been the case for two season.
No he doesn't.

[Trollsmasher]

Durant has a better post game than LBJ. Has been the case for two season.
He does not

Stop with your blatant lies, please. Your last post is a nice example of that too.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Fixed, you are clearly underestimating him.

Lets not get carried away. Durant isn't (and never will be) the finisher Bron is.

[upside24]

LeBron is very selective when it comes to scoring. He gets a lot of alley oops and run outs and often passes up open shots to set someone else up. Not to take anything away from him, but it's a fact. He pays close attention to his FG%. He still takes threes and long twos but he focuses on high % shots, as all players should.

As others have mentioned playing with Wade, Bosh and Ray gives him scoring opportunities with less defensive attention. That's not a bad thing. The 87 Celtics had Bird, McHale and Parish shooting high percentages for the exact same reason, and they were an amazing team like the Heat.

That is not the only reason for his absurd shooting percentage. He is a much improved shooter and his post game has grown leaps and bounds. 25 ppg at 60% for a perimeter player is amazing regardless of how it is accomplished. He is just that good.

[DaSeba5]

Durant has a better post game than LBJ. Has been the case for two season.

:biggums:

[DonDadda59]

No, what Im saying is that he's confident enough in his jumper to take it when he's pressured. Hence, he's able to sustain his efficiency in the post season in a way LeBron is not because he's accustomed to taking and making tough shots. He'd never be defended how the Spurs defended LeBron, because he'd never be afraid to shoot.

Right, you wouldn't defend them the same way because they have different skill sets/strengths. Regardless of that, Durant could never in his wildest dreams hover around 60% shooting for a season, regardless of who his teammates are. He simply isn't good enough.


Between them, during playoff runs that extended beyond 15 games, Durant is more efficient from every spot on the floor. In some instances, significantly so.

Not to mention, Durant plays in a significantly better conference, with teammates that aren't nearly as talented or experienced.

The better defenses are in the East and I don't recall Durant with historically great shooting percentages when he had Westbrook and Harden (both franchise caliber, top 10-15 talents) on his squad. But having a hobbled Wade and old ass Ray Allen would? :biggums:

[MASH Transit]

Lets not get carried away. Durant isn't (and never will be) the finisher Bron is.


At rim %

LBJ:

2011 - 72.3%

2012 - 74.4%

2013 - 78.3%

KD:

2011 - 77.2%

2012 - 72.2%

2013 - 75.1%




He does not

Stop with your blatant lies, please. Your last post is a nice example of that too.


Durant averaged 1.04 points per possession (PPP) on 247 post-up possessions that ended in a FGA, TO or FT

[MASH Transit]

Right, you wouldn't defend them the same way because they have different skill sets/strengths. Regardless of that, Durant could never in his wildest dreams hover around 60% shooting for a season, regardless of who his teammates are. He simply isn't good enough.

If he only took three's, which he converts at a clip of 41+%, and shots at the rim, which he finishes at 72+%, that would leave him within range of 60%.

Get over it.


The better defenses are in the East and I don't recall Durant with historically great shooting percentages when he had Westbrook and Harden (both franchise caliber, top 10-15 talents) on his squad. But having a hobbled Wade and old ass Ray Allen would? :biggums:

False.

[Trollsmasher]

At rim %

LBJ:

2011 - 72.3%

2012 - 74.4%

2013 - 78.3%

KD:

2011 - 77.2%

2012 - 72.2%

2013 - 75.1%





Durant averaged 1.04 points per possession (PPP) on 247 post-up possessions that ended in a FGA, TO or FT’s. That number of post-ups comprised a little over 10 percent of Durant’s offensive possessions. Durant shot 51.8 percent in the post, and his PPP was the 7th best post-up scoring rate in the entire league.


Deal with it.
LeBron 1,18 ppp on 15.8% of possessions
Durant 0,89 ppp on 10,8% of possessions

That of course does not factor LeBron being a much better passer

Stop bullshitting us buddy

If he only took three's, which he converts at a clip of 41+%, and shots at the rim, which he finishes at 72+%, that would leave him within range of 60%.

Get over it.

He would also average 10 points less because he does not have the abilities to consistently get more than 12 of those shots per game

[russwest0]

Wait, people think LeBron is better from the post than Durant?

If you truly believe that it's proof that you don't watch both play.

[Solefade]

Durant has a better post game than LBJ. Has been the case for two season.


the ****? :biggums:

[Element]

LeBron 1,18 ppp on 15.8% of possessions
Durant 0,89 ppp on 10,8% of possessions

Stop bullshitting us buddy

WTF

Durant last year was the most effective perimeter post scorer after Kobe. LeBron's rank was rather mediocre, actually. Let's wait until the playoffs before we start praising Bran for his "Improved jump shot and post game" like every year since his arrival in Miami lol.

[DonDadda59]

If he only took three's, which he converts at a clip of 41+%, and shots at the rim, which he finishes at 72+%, that would leave him within range of 60%.

So then why doesn't he do it if it's so simple? :lol


Get over it.



False.

Over it.

True.

[Trollsmasher]

WTF

Durant last year was the most effective perimeter post scorer after Kobe. LeBron's rank was rather mediocre, actually. Let's wait until the playoffs before we start praising Bran for his "Improved jump shot and post game" like every year since his arrival in Miami lol.
I am talking about this year, bud. Stop living in the last season.

[russwest0]

So why doesn't he do it?

Because he's the league's best scorer and isn't gunning for a 60% FG Percentage. Look at some of Durants interviews this year, he's said specifically that he wants OKC to play stat free basketball and that he just wants to focus on being aggressive as opposed to reaching a certain benchmark.

If he cared about his efficiency he wouldn't be shooting Dirk fadeaways with OKC up 10+ points and with him already having a great shooting game. He clearly doesn't care as much this year but he's just improved his scoring even more, leading to the high efficiency still.

Watch the dude play instead of trying to make judgements off of the stat sheet.

[Solefade]

not sure why bron's detractors on ISH are on this board everyday trying to prove he sucks when he's clearly the best player in the world :confusedshrug:

[Trollsmasher]

So why doesn't he do it?

Because he's the league's best scorer and isn't gunning for a 60% FG Percentage. Look at some of Durants interviews this year, he's said specifically that he wants OKC to play stat free basketball and that he just wants to focus on being aggressive as opposed to reaching a certain benchmark.

If he cared about his efficiency he wouldn't be shooting Dirk fadeaways with OKC up 10+ points and with him already having a great shooting game. He clearly doesn't care as much this year but he's just improved his scoring even more.https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/417455653536296963

clearly does not care about FG%

Let's forget that this is a guy who has a chart for when to launch a heave and when not and admitted last year that he is completly obssessed with his (and also LeBron's:lol ) stats:roll:

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/kevin-durant-selfish-stats-westbrook-thunder/

One of the most pathetic betas in the history of the game

[russwest0]

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/417455653536296963

clearly does not care about FG%

Let's forget that this is a guy who has a chart for when to launch a heave and when not and admitted last year that he is completly obssessed with his (and also LeBron's:lol ) stats:roll:

First off, that's retarded. It's no different than a guy raising his hand after getting an assist and looking at the scorers table. It doesn't say shit about what Durant has done this season and it's a tweet from some nobody on twitter.

LeBron fans are reaching way too much. Thats my problem with them, they try to bring everyone else down just to play their dude up.

[MASH Transit]

LeBron 1,18 ppp on 15.8% of possessions
Durant 0,89 ppp on 10,8% of possessions

30 game sample size is irrelevant, especially when you consider:

Miami Heat SOS - 26th

OKC Thunder SOS - 7th


Over a sample size of 100 games, Durant was a significantly better post scorer last season, and I expect him to finish ahead of LBJ this season as well. Such is the luxury of being able to initiate your post play from the low block, or the high post, with the skill to attack with go to moves or counters.

The extent of LBJ's post game is bully ball. No counter moves, no fluidity, inconsistent footwork, and typically only post up when he has a match up advantage. In the post season, he'll abandon it as defenses tighten up, per always.


That of course does not factor LeBron being a much better passer

He averages 1.5 more assist per game while being a significantly more dominant player, but Durant is anchoring the better offense with less surrounding talent. Best record in the league, playing without his Robin.

Who makes their teammates better again?


He would also average 10 points less because he does not have the abilities to consistently get more than 12 of those shots per game

Like LBJ?

[DonDadda59]

So why doesn't he do it?

Because he's the league's best scorer and isn't gunning for a 60% FG Percentage. Look at some of Durants interviews this year, he's said specifically that he wants OKC to play stat free basketball and that he just wants to focus on being aggressive as opposed to reaching a certain benchmark.

If he cared about his efficiency he wouldn't be shooting Dirk fadeaways with OKC up 10+ points and with him already having a great shooting game. He clearly doesn't care as much this year but he's just improved his scoring even more, leading to the high efficiency still.

Watch the dude play instead of trying to make judgements off of the stat sheet.

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[INDENT]Kevin Durant Hires Analytics Expert, Checks LeBron James' Stats Every Game

LeBron James has a not-so-secret admirer, and his name is Kevin Durant.

In an interview with Lee Jenkins of Sports Illustrated, Durant admits to a number of things, including his distaste for second place, his employment of a personal analytics expert and an affinity for LeBron:

[INDENT]"I don

[MASH Transit]

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[INDENT]Kevin Durant Hires Analytics Expert, Checks LeBron James' Stats Every Game

LeBron James has a not-so-secret admirer, and his name is Kevin Durant.

In an interview with Lee Jenkins of Sports Illustrated, Durant admits to a number of things, including his distaste for second place, his employment of a personal analytics expert and an affinity for LeBron:

[INDENT]"I don

[Solefade]

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[INDENT]Kevin Durant Hires Analytics Expert, Checks LeBron James' Stats Every Game

LeBron James has a not-so-secret admirer, and his name is Kevin Durant.

In an interview with Lee Jenkins of Sports Illustrated, Durant admits to a number of things, including his distaste for second place, his employment of a personal analytics expert and an affinity for LeBron:

[INDENT]"I don

[mehyaM24]

LMAO at this lebon stan, Dondadda.......lebron will never be better than kobe or jordan.....he ain't even the mvp of the league. get over it, dick sucker.

[Solefade]

Yea, you guys are desperate. Sounding like the insecure Kobe fans you've been trolling since LeBron surpassed Bryant in 09.


KD > LBJ right now.

HAHA you lost. gtfo

[russwest0]

I said look at Durant interviews from this year, look at him saying his mindset has changed.

And you bring an article from last year...

Yup, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel now :lol

[DonDadda59]

Yea, you guys are desperate. Sounding like the insecure Kobe fans you've been trolling since LeBron surpassed Bryant in 09.


KD > LBJ right now.

Brah, I'm not even really a Lebron fan. I think the Decision was the biggest bitch move in modern NBA History. Just don't stand for bullshit in any form, and that's all the Durant fans in this thread are spewing right now. And good to see you have no real response to what I posted. You should hire an analyst like your hero and get your posting efficiency up.

I'll call it a checkmate and wish you a happy new year, chump :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

I said look at Durant interviews from this year, look at him saying his mindset has changed.

And you bring an article from last year...

Yup, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel now :lol

Article's from 2013 brah...

Have a fruitful and happy new year :cheers:

[Jameerthefear]

dondadda eating nikkas up :eek:

[russwest0]

Article's from 2013 brah...

Have a fruitful and happy new year :cheers:

My bad, meant last season/this season.

[MASH Transit]

Brah, I'm not even really a Lebron fan. I think the Decision was the biggest bitch move in modern NBA History. Just don't stand for bullshit in any form, and that's all the Durant fans in this thread are spewing right now. And good to see you have no real response to what I posted. You should hire an analyst like your hero and get your posting efficiency up.

I'll call it a checkmate and wish you a happy new year, chump :cheers:


I don't care about your opinion.


Durant > LBJ

[Trollsmasher]

30 game sample size is irrelevant, especially when you consider:

Miami Heat SOS - 26th

OKC Thunder SOS - 7th


Over a sample size of 100 games, Durant was a significantly better post scorer last season, and I expect him to finish ahead of LBJ this season as well. Such is the luxury of being able to initiate your post play from the low block, or the high post, with the skill to attack with go to moves or counters.

The extent of LBJ's post game is bully ball. No counter moves, no fluidity, inconsistent footwork, and typically only post up when he has a match up advantage. In the post season, he'll abandon it as defenses tighten up, per always.
You clearly did not watch a single Heat game this year. Sample size is large enough to identify a massive difference between an excellent post player and a very mediocre one.

Also where did Durant's post game go against the Memphis? One would thought he would be able to punish twig Prince. Unlike Durant, LeBron actually stepped up his post game in the playoffs.

Too bad Durant's only two post moves are a turnaround fadeaway and a ripthrough. No fluidity, no footwork, no strenght, no fakes, no counter moves, only jumpshots and flopping.

When you can't get to the rim with your post game (which Durant can't) then you have no post game.



He averages 1.5 more assist per game while being a significantly more dominant player, but Durant is anchoring the better offense with less surrounding talent. Best record in the league, playing without his Robin.

Who makes their teammates better again?

False

Heat - 109,1 off eff, 110,8 ortg, 60,1% TS
OKC - 106,8 off eff, 109,0 ortg, 56,2% TS

Thunder's offense has also been significantly worse in the games without Westbrook and it will only get worse with more games. We've seen in the playoffs how well can Durant run an offense (yeah, he can't).


Like LBJ?
LeBron gets those shots consistently, Durant does not and there is no reason to believe he would able to.

[KingBeasley08]

DonDadda is too good

[Mr. Jabbar]

Title.

no pun intended?

[chazzy]

He would - much better spacing leads to more room for him to create even better looks. He was more efficient than Lebron last year and he's slowly working his way up this year after his usual slow start. Why is it so hard for people to accept that Durant is the best scorer in the game

He doesn't need to shoot 59% from the field to be more efficient than Lebron

[red1]

Brah, I'm not even really a Lebron fan. I think the Decision was the biggest bitch move in modern NBA History. Just don't stand for bullshit in any form, and that's all the Durant fans in this thread are spewing right now. And good to see you have no real response to what I posted. You should hire an analyst like your hero and get your posting efficiency up.

I'll call it a checkmate and wish you a happy new year, chump :cheers:
thats that shit that burns slow

[russwest0]

He would - much better spacing leads to more room for him to create even better looks. He was more efficient than Lebron last year and he's slowly working his way up this year after his usual slow start. Why is it so hard for people to accept that Durant is the best scorer in the game


They are so desensitized by Durants greatness that they are willing to consider the fact that anyone else could be better than him at what he does. Shit happened with Melo last year.

[ThickassGlasses]

I don't think real Durant fans are very annoying, but the LeBron haters that are riding Durant so hard his dick will fall off even from states away are.


According to them, Durant is better at every aspect of basketball than Bran yet he can't seem to beat him. Surely they will sight the Heat's far superior team and as a team Miami might be better but not so significantly much that a far superior player couldn't overcome it.



Durant is the MVP as of right now, the next 6 weeks will probably win it or lose it for him... but Bran isn't giving it 100% every minute he's in the game right now and he's still in the conversation.

[MASH Transit]

I don't think real Durant fans are very annoying, but the LeBron haters that are riding Durant so hard his dick will fall off even from states away are.


According to them, Durant is better at every aspect of basketball than Bran yet he can't seem to beat him. Surely they will sight the Heat's far superior team and as a team Miami might be better but not so significantly much that a far superior player couldn't overcome it.



Durant is the MVP as of right now, the next 6 weeks will probably win it or lose it for him... but Bran isn't giving it 100% every minute he's in the game right now and he's still in the conversation.

LeBron stand are the biggest god damned cry babies on the internet. All you simps resort to the same "hater" response anytime someone disagrees with LBJ being the best player in the NBA.


Well guess what? Get the **** over out. He just turned 29, he's at the tail end of his prime, and the 25 year old phenom is passing his ass up. Get use to it, bitches.

[retaxis]

LeBron stand are the biggest god damned cry babies on the internet. All you simps resort to the same "hater" response anytime someone disagrees that LBJ is being the best player in the NBA.


Well guess what? Get the **** over out. He just turned 29, he's at the tail end of his prime, and the 25 year old phenom is passing his ass up. Get use to it, bitches.
Like you said earlier you don't care about other peoples opinions and if you think KD is the best then thats fine. If someone thinks Lebron is the best then thats fine too. If someone thinks CP3 is the best so what? Do you have anything to prove on an internet forum that you can't prove in real life?

[O_City_Thunder]

It's obvious that Kevin Durant is my favorite player in the whole world and it really hurts my feeling when you guys continue to say horrible things about him. He hasn't done anything to you or Lebron James. So please leave him alone guys. :cry:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Not sure where all these Durant stans popped out from this year, but they all seem to have similar posting styles. Durant's having a good season so far but he was last year as well, and then went into a slump after the ASG. Let's at least wait to see how he he measures up by the end of the season before declaring him the best player.

[retaxis]

Not sure where all these Durant stans popped out from this year, but they all seem to have similar posting styles. Durant's having a good season so far but he was last year as well, and then went into a slump after the ASG. Let's at least wait to see how he he measures up by the end of the season before declaring him the best player.
You do realise this russwest person is wilds09 and also fresh kid and about half a dozen other 'posters.' Heck last year he was talking about how pathetic Durant is and how much better Melo was and how Melo was 100% going to be the FMVP. Then when the Knicks lost he made a new acc said he wanted to start over and now you see the results. Its really just a mentally unstable kid who is crying out for help.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

You do realise this russwest person is wilds09 and also fresh kid and about half a dozen other 'posters.' Heck last year he was talking about how pathetic Durant is and how much better Melo was and how Melo was 100% going to be the FMVP. Then when the Knicks lost he made a new acc said he wanted to start over and now you see the results. Its really just a mentally unstable kid who is crying out for help.

I know he's an alt but not sure whose. Pretty useless poster in any case.

[DaSeba5]

Not sure where all these Durant stans popped out from this year, but they all seem to have similar posting styles. Durant's having a good season so far but he was last year as well, and then went into a slump after the ASG. Let's at least wait to see how he he measures up by the end of the season before declaring him the best player.

It's not really Durant stans. Russ is wilds09/Fresh Kid, and the LeBron haters are just talking up Durant to discredit LeBron.

[Jameerthefear]

Russ is ripthekik I'm pretty sure.

[DaSeba5]

Russ is ripthekik I'm pretty sure.

Oh? I thought it was wilds09 and Fresh Kid because they all write the same way.

[Jameerthefear]

i dont think so. their styles dont seem similar imo. fresh kid is banned atm now so i wouldnt be surprised if he is posting on an alt account. jeff needs to just call all the alts out.

[knicksman]

of course..Playing small ball with him at the pf could increase efficiency and better if your 5 can even space the floor.

[knicksman]

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[INDENT]Kevin Durant Hires Analytics Expert, Checks LeBron James' Stats Every Game

LeBron James has a not-so-secret admirer, and his name is Kevin Durant.

In an interview with Lee Jenkins of Sports Illustrated, Durant admits to a number of things, including his distaste for second place, his employment of a personal analytics expert and an affinity for LeBron:

[INDENT]"I don

[knicksman]

So why doesn't Durant do this?:confusedshrug:

clearly you dont know basketball. Its like asking why jordan or kobe arent doing it when it gave them 11 rings combined. Its the reason why lebron joined miami coz hes not elite at making those..

[KingBeasley08]

Russ is ripthekik I'm pretty sure.
This.

[mehyaM24]

:biggums:

:oldlol: at this loser acting like he ain't a lebron fan. no one is buying it, you little bitch. kobe still living in your head.....has been since your join date. admit it.

[branslowski]

Durant will never shoot 60% because he doesn't fg% stat pad. Meaning he doesn't turn down deep jumpers or pass the ball when the shotclock low to save his %. It's already known that Bron and Wade fg% stat pad, they even admitted it.

Durant with the Heat would be the same, if not better and lead Heat to Titles easily. He definitely wouldn't have vanished and quit in the 2011 Finals like LeBron.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Kobe fans trying too hard now-a-days. Kinda' sad actually.

[Trollsmasher]

Durant will never shoot 60% because he doesn't fg% stat pad. Meaning he doesn't turn down deep jumpers or pass the ball when the shotclock low to save his %. It's already known that Bron and Wade fg% stat pad, they even admitted it.

Durant with the Heat would be the same, if not better and lead Heat to Titles easily. He definitely wouldn't have vanished and quit in the 2011 Finals like LeBron.
You aware that KD is the king of what you are attributing to Wade and LeBron?:lol