So Cleveland lost 6 games in a row

[shallehalle]

And their record is 10-21. Why hasn't Mike Brown been fired?

Cavs fans, what must be done to improve the current situation?

[dannywpt]

I remember the hype before the season like it was yesterday. Kyrie was gonna take the next step, Waiters was gonna be a top 3 SG, Bynum was the missing piece, and so on.

:roll:

[shallehalle]

I remember the hype before the season like it was yesterday. Kyrie was gonna take the next step, Waiters was gonna be a top 3 SG, Bynum was the missing piece, and so on.

:roll:
I really thought that they would finish the season in the 6-8th place (didn't think the east would suck this bad) and hopefully face miami in the playoffs.

[I<3NBA]

you know this organization is so stupid when they took back a coach that has already failed with them. to make things worse, this coach wasn't coming from a successful stint in another organization.

so you fired this coach, watch this coach fail with another team, then think it's a good idea to get him again after watching him fail with another team. :lol

[Frozen1]

Don

[andremiller07]

To me the Cavs are a bigger letdown than NYK and Brooklyn so far they are actually young and have players with potential and really with the team they have in the East should be a lock for the playoffs.

[Kujo]

Yep, I'm dumbfounded by how bad the Cavs have been this year. I thought they were a lock to make the playoffs.

Never understood why they were re-hired Mike Brown when you have guys like Lionel Hollins, and Nate McMillian without head coaching jobs.

The Earl Clark signing hasn't worked out, the Bynum signing has been a disaster, and ruined team chemistry, and the Bennett pick looks bad (he's looked better recently). They need a SF pretty badly.

They should have drafted Jonas V. instead of Tristan Thompson.

[cos88]

there was hype by their own fans and some media guys but that's all.


80% of the fans knew they were going to have a sub 500 record just like we knew the same thing about minnesota.


and btw a good january and february means a playoff spot in the east.

[Scholar]

It's sad that even with a record that poor, the Cavs still have a chance to get into the 8th spot or better in the East.

[Godzuki]

kyrie has been hitting his shot like last 2~ games or so, before that he was so bad a lot of games. he's still the biggest ball hog in the league tho and loves taking on 2-3 guys regularly trying to make hard shots. i'd just hate playing with him if i were a teammate.

their whole team is based on guard chucking/creating. Tristan is underrated but they don't feed him enough imo. and they really could use a post up center that isn't as slow as Bynum was. honestly they should trade for Pau, since they could distribute more from the post with him. i don't think they'll ever be very good until they cut down on Kyrie/Waiters basis of winning/losing. they're both so streaky its not even funny.

[BlackVVaves]

To me the Cavs are a bigger letdown than NYK and Brooklyn so far they are actually young and have players with potential and really with the team they have in the East should be a lock for the playoffs.

More disappointing than a team with an owner who proclaimed his team was contending for a title, and another team who chanted of their championship pedigree all through the summer despite consisting of senior citizens and injury prone franchise players?

More disappointing than two teams seemingly destined for the lottery, yet don't own their own pick this year due to the consistent incompetence of their front offices?

More disappointing than both teams getting laughed at and booed off their own home courts on Christmas Day?

The Cavs have been a disappointment, but at least they aren't the joke of the league like those two. Once more, the two fan bases constantly bicker with each other here in NY over who sucks more :oldlol: shit is a joke. Only thing more comical is niko's commitment to revealing every scar the Nets bare as the season persists, while It's A VC continues to make a fool of himself :lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'll admit I was high on them coming into the season. Thought they could get to the 2nd round. Really disappointing. Predicted that they'd be better than the Knicks/ Luckily i'm still right on about that lol.

[Meticode]

LMAO at anyone who thought the Cavaliers would be decent. Including me!

[NattyPButter]

Not even gonna place much blame on the coaching. Its more of the players faults the team sucks.

Kyrie sucks at defense and plays hero ball towards the end of the game.

Dion goes to the rim a little soft some times expecting a foul. He has a problem sagging off 3pt specialist to much.

Clark is not a SF and is a PF that can shoot the 3. When playing SF he likes to dribble the ball to much.

TT shoots to damn much when his job should be to play D and get rebounds. He also doesn't pass out when under the rim and still gets his stuff blocked. He also just doesn't like passing just look at his assist numbers.

AV flops around to much and is on the floor every game. He plays like a 100lb female and gets bullied by most centers and PF. With him and TT on court together they crowd the paint for Kryrie and Dion.

Jarrett Jack is a chucker and no back up PG. He pisses me off how he gets the wide open look only to bounce a few times and shoot a contested shot. He doesn't pass and is always looking for his own shot.

The team has a probelem with passing and is almost last in the league in that spot. The team also shoots to many jumpshots.

[Mass Debator]

Starting to do a good job tanking. :applause:

Kyrie and Jabari

[Mirko Cro Cop]

It's shit like this that makes me laugh everytime I see delusional Cavs fans who think LeBron will come back :oldlol: .

Why the hell would he ever come back to this piece of shit organization?

[MP.Trey]

Starting to do a good job tanking. :applause:

Kyrie and Jabari
Jabari would be the perfect pick, with our glaring need for a SF and both Kyrie and Jabari being Duke alums, but I seriously hope it doesn't come down to that. :oldlol:

Bottom line is we're the youngest team in the league. It's the first time since the LeBron era that we've even had expectations of playoffs. Last year we were only 7-24 at this point of the season. We should've improved more than we have up to this point, but nonetheless, it is an improvement.

"Mr. Fourth Quarter" Kyrie Irving has been terrible in fourth quarters this year, for the most part. His playmaking, willingness to play hard defensively and moving the ball/flowing the offense has been very much improved this year and has looked great for 3 quarters of every game... Then fourth quarter comes and it's Kyrie Irving hero ball time, it's disgusting sometimes how much he dribbles and measures his defender, a whole lot of dribbling for nothing then chucks a contested jumpshot. On top of that, we have Earl Clark who is practically useless, Jarrett Jack the score first PG that loves shooting contested 18 footers, Dion Waiters' inconsistencies and Bynum who clearly didn't work out. :oldlol:

I can only hope things get better for the Cavs this season. I mean they have to, right? :confusedshrug:

[KyrieTheFuture]

The bright side is it literally could not get any worse outside of injuries. Thank god his knee injury wasn't serious.

[Nash]

Cavs get #1 pick again and end up not selecting Wiggins, Parker, Embiid or Randle.

[Pointguard]

[QUOTE=Frozen1]Don

[Vancouver-Grizz]

I say keep Brown but change the season's mandate to develope and draft. Trade Waiters for picks, give Benette a crap load of minutes and hopefully obtain a high draft pick in the process.

No point in paying for another coach for tanking/developing.

[Mass Debator]

I like Kyrie and think he's one of the most exciting players in the game but the problems seem to start with him. His stat line is impressive but he's not much of a team player. In fact he takes his team out of it. You can tell teammates dislike him. And as a point guard, you are never suppose to moodily be a self imposed superstar. He's not in touch or in sync with the team... . If he's in charge of the tanking then its understandable. Otherwise, he's got a lot to learn.
This is RGIII all over again. It's all about the brand...uncle Drew. Too much fame too fast. He's young though so I expect changes soon because he's still a complete professional. Mike Brown definitely has to go though. Maybe not this year but at the end of the year. I don't like this presence as a coach.

[DukeDelonte13]

Two things to point out right off the bat; Cavs are the second youngest team in the league, and they can still get to the eighth seed.

Mike Brown isn't the problem, he's the solution the awful habits the team picked up with Byron Scott. Going from absolutely no defensive system in place to one of the more complex defenses in the league is going to be a major adjustment. It's easy to scapegoat a coach, but real fans who watch the team on a nightly basis know that this team competes a hell of a lot better than they did last season. They just need to focus on closing out these games.
Kyrie has been alright, he hasn't been as bad as some people on here suggest but he isn't really that much improved from last season.

He's playing better defense but he is still ball hogging.


Dion Waiters has significantly improved from last year, he's just a nationally disliked player cause everyone thought he was a reach. Averaging 16 points on good percentages coming off the bench is great for a second year SG. People needs to start showing this guy some respect.


Earl Clark wasn't brought in to be some savior, he was brought in to play D and hit some occasional wide open jumpers. He's fine.

Biggest disappointment has been Jarrett Jack. Dude really f*cks the offense up.
Jack is like Kyrie Irving with half the talent. Jack is a ball dominant PG that consistently makes bad decisions. He is TERRIBLE alongside Bennett. He doesn't make life easy at all for him.


Cavs have lost so many close games this year, and a lot of them can be directly attributed to piss poor decision making by the players on the court. Nobody ever wants to blame the players though, its always the coaches fault or the GM's fault, etc.

[j3lademaster]

Starting to do a good job tanking. :applause:

Kyrie and JabariEasier said than done. Think '86 C's, '96 Bulls, 12 Heat, 01 Lakers in one conference battling for HCA. That's how competitive tanking is in the east right now.

[Mass Debator]

Easier said than done. Think '86 C's, '96 Bulls, 12 Heat, 01 Lakers in one conference battling for HCA. That's how competitive tanking is in the east right now.
That's a good perspective. :lol and you could also use Heat, Pacers, Thunder, Blazers, and Spurs fighting for HCA in the finals. 1 game separates them all.

[LBJMVP]

Two things to point out right off the bat; Cavs are the second youngest team in the league, and they can still get to the eighth seed.

Mike Brown isn't the problem, he's the solution the awful habits the team picked up with Byron Scott. Going from absolutely no defensive system in place to one of the more complex defenses in the league is going to be a major adjustment. It's easy to scapegoat a coach, but real fans who watch the team on a nightly basis know that this team competes a hell of a lot better than they did last season. They just need to focus on closing out these games.
Kyrie has been alright, he hasn't been as bad as some people on here suggest but he isn't really that much improved from last season.

He's playing better defense but he is still ball hogging.


Dion Waiters has significantly improved from last year, he's just a nationally disliked player cause everyone thought he was a reach. Averaging 16 points on good percentages coming off the bench is great for a second year SG. People needs to start showing this guy some respect.


Earl Clark wasn't brought in to be some savior, he was brought in to play D and hit some occasional wide open jumpers. He's fine.

Biggest disappointment has been Jarrett Jack. Dude really f*cks the offense up.
Jack is like Kyrie Irving with half the talent. Jack is a ball dominant PG that consistently makes bad decisions. He is TERRIBLE alongside Bennett. He doesn't make life easy at all for him.


Cavs have lost so many close games this year, and a lot of them can be directly attributed to piss poor decision making by the players on the court. Nobody ever wants to blame the players though, its always the coaches fault or the GM's fault, etc.
I agree here. We have lost slit of close games and played the best teams in the league tough. Not browns fault just some stupid play late in games. I still think we will make the playoffs. We will pull a hot atom rockets winning streak from like five years back haha

[Bigsmoke]

LMAO at anyone who thought the Cavaliers would be decent. Including me!

I did.

Even without By um, I thought they were going to be something like 44-38


I thought Jack would play a huge role on helping them close out games like he did for the Warriors last year

[Bigsmoke]

Easier said than done. Think '86 C's, '96 Bulls, 12 Heat, 01 Lakers in one conference battling for HCA. That's how competitive tanking is in the east right now.

Lol

[DukeDelonte13]

I did.

Even without By um, I thought they were going to be something like 44-38


I thought Jack would play a huge role on helping them close out games like he did for the Warriors last year



When he is bricking stupid contested shots with 20 seconds to go on the shot clock i want to reach through the TV and strangle him. Apparently he always has rough starts to seasons and progressively gets better as the season goes but its like he just goes out there and just does whatever the f*ck he wants. He'll have a good game here or there when he hits his stupid shots but man oh man does he just kill the offense.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

teams like cavs have no shame going to the lottery yr after yr...

looks like even the bobcats will make the playoffs this year...look at bobcats roster to the cavs roster...lol

[Big Cheese]

I like Kyrie and think he's one of the most exciting players in the game but the problems seem to start with him. His stat line is impressive but he's not much of a team player. In fact he takes his team out of it. You can tell teammates dislike him. And as a point guard, you are never suppose to moodily be a self imposed superstar. He's not in touch or in sync with the team... . If he's in charge of the tanking then its understandable. Otherwise, he's got a lot to learn.

I remember when the hawks played the cavs and it went to Double OT and kyrie scored 40. In the 4th and OTs he didnt pass the ball once. He literally would bring the ball up the court, dribble for 20 secs and jack up a shot.

He does not play winning basketball.

[Godzuki]

I remember when the hawks played the cavs and it went to Double OT and kyrie scored 40. In the 4th and OTs he didnt pass the ball once. He literally would bring the ball up the court, dribble for 20 secs and jack up a shot.

He does not play winning basketball.


the other thing he does is he seems to HAVE to split every double team no matter what, even if its a triple team its like he has to dribble split them all, not even looking to pass it. almost like he's always trying to make some dribble highlight reel.

he's also such a bad finisher.

i think Waiters deserves some criticism too altho nowhere near Kyrie since Mike Brown seems to want to live and die by Kyrie despite constant chokes in the clutch. Waiters is streaky too, and can make dumb TO's. they really need to figure out a way to stop living and dying by their guards being on/off.

[Pra]

This team is in dire need of veterans. No reason why they should be under .500 in the EC.

Outside of Waiters/Irving/Thompson and maybe Jack/Varejao (depends on what his next contract is like) they need to start trading for or even signing some vets.

[DukeDelonte13]

the other thing he does is he seems to HAVE to split every double team no matter what, even if its a triple team its like he has to dribble split them all, not even looking to pass it. almost like he's always trying to make some dribble highlight reel.

he's also such a bad finisher.

i think Waiters deserves some criticism too altho nowhere near Kyrie since Mike Brown seems to want to live and die by Kyrie despite constant chokes in the clutch. Waiters is streaky too, and can make dumb TO's. they really need to figure out a way to stop living and dying by their guards being on/off.


Mike Brown, nor would any other coach, would tell Kyrie Irving to dribble down the clock and try and beat 4 players. Kyrie just goes out and does it. This team moves the ball a lot better than last season's team did, but we are taking baby steps rather than the big improvement so many cavs fans including myself expected.

This team is improved from last season, just not that much so at this point.

[RedBlackAttack]

Two things to point out right off the bat; Cavs are the second youngest team in the league, and they can still get to the eighth seed.

Mike Brown isn't the problem, he's the solution the awful habits the team picked up with Byron Scott. Going from absolutely no defensive system in place to one of the more complex defenses in the league is going to be a major adjustment. It's easy to scapegoat a coach, but real fans who watch the team on a nightly basis know that this team competes a hell of a lot better than they did last season. They just need to focus on closing out these games.
Kyrie has been alright, he hasn't been as bad as some people on here suggest but he isn't really that much improved from last season.

He's playing better defense but he is still ball hogging.


Dion Waiters has significantly improved from last year, he's just a nationally disliked player cause everyone thought he was a reach. Averaging 16 points on good percentages coming off the bench is great for a second year SG. People needs to start showing this guy some respect.


Earl Clark wasn't brought in to be some savior, he was brought in to play D and hit some occasional wide open jumpers. He's fine.

Biggest disappointment has been Jarrett Jack. Dude really f*cks the offense up.
Jack is like Kyrie Irving with half the talent. Jack is a ball dominant PG that consistently makes bad decisions. He is TERRIBLE alongside Bennett. He doesn't make life easy at all for him.


Cavs have lost so many close games this year, and a lot of them can be directly attributed to piss poor decision making by the players on the court. Nobody ever wants to blame the players though, its always the coaches fault or the GM's fault, etc.
Took a lot of the words out of my mouth. I especially concur with the bolded. Dion has had an excellent second season. Not OK... not merely 'good'... he's been excellent under the circumstances. What we have is a guy who was labeled as a "reach" and "chucker" at the start of his career and people have just gone with it since.

It'll take this team winning for people to recognize the kind of player Dion is becoming and I'm still confident that will come in time.

It still baffles me that people in general are so low on him. Someone made a thread comparing draft classes the other day and Dion wasn't even mentioned among the top 10 players in the 2012 draft. Draymond Green was in the list.

This is a guy scoring 15 points a night on much improved efficiency and has been pretty deadly off the bench... taking over long stretches of games regularly. And, he's arguably our best perimeter defender and a very underrated playmaker. What is the disdain for Dion?


kyrie has been hitting his shot like last 2~ games or so, before that he was so bad a lot of games.

I also don't get this kind of overreacting about Kyrie's season so far. He started the year horribly and has struggled at times to adjust to the new system and new teammates. Bynum, in particular, restricted Kyrie's ability to get to the hoop, because he was always around the basket, thus meaning a defender was basically always there waiting.

But, his slump ended a hell of a lot longer than two games ago. In fact, take away his first 10 games and he's averaging 24 points on 45% FG, 37% 3PT, 87% FT with the best assist/TO ratio of his young career and also improved effort defensively.

Those are his numbers over the last 21 games. In December, he's easily been one of the best offensive players in the league. Not too many guys put up 24+/6+/3 on 46+/40+/90.

I will get on the guy when he deserves it and there have been times this year, especially late in games, where the ball will stick to him a bit too long or maybe he doesn't get his teammates involved quite as much as it should, but hey... the guy isn't perfect. He's still 21.


This team has some problems... most notably not having a starting caliber SF on the roster and no real veteran presence to help guide what is the second youngest roster in the league.

But, people are overreacting. The Cavs' record is improved from last year. Not quite as much as I had hoped, but it is still early. People really need to have some patience. It wasn't going to happen overnight.