The stars of this era who will never win championships?

[Connor B]

Who are the rising stars/established stars of this era who you think will not ever win rings (at any point in their career) based on either the field (i.e. the Heat, a loaded west etc.) and/or their own lack of ability/drive?

This is hard to predict because things are always changing and new superteams could be formed, but there are some obvious ones for me...

Dwight Howard - I don't really mistrust his drive, but he is stuck in Houston for a while and I don't think they can beat the current Warriors or Thunder and it seems those 3 teams will have consistent rosters for a while. By the time he gets another shot on another team he will be into his thirties and there's no telling how long he will remain a star player.

Chris Paul - He puts up great stats and is a very good player, but I don't think he can lead a team in the playoffs. That crap about him improving in the playoffs was actually only true in NOLA and has not been true in L.A. He is in L.A. for a while I think and that team is not as good as healthy Warriors or Thunder. Similar situation as Dwight.

Carmelo Anthony - he is one of the most disappointing playoff players ever. Even if he went to a great team in 2014, I still wouldn't see them winning but he has a first option simply doesn't not make enough of an impact.

[Mr. Jabbar]

James Harden
Dwight Howard

you can take those to the bank

[Legends66NBA7]

I say, we just wait till their retired and see who hasn't been on championship team.

How about that ?

[Connor B]

James Harden
Dwight Howard

you can take those to the bank

I agree with Harden and almost included him on my list, but he is still too young for me to say. I agree though he is overrated and does not have the necessary impact.

[joeyjoejoe]

Ask your mum I've heard she knows quite a few NBA players intimately gobblegobble

[Connor B]

I say, we just wait till their retired and see who hasn't been on championship team.

How about that ?

Because that's boring as ****

[Legends66NBA7]

Because that's boring as ****

But in the end, 100% accurate.


By all means, continue the thread.

[BGriffin's Dad]

kevin love
lamarcus aldridge

[Fudge]

You're like the new konex.

Expect these guys to get their rings in the next few years.

[Alan Ogg]

Carmelo

[KungFuJoe]

Harden. Book it...he'll never win a ring.

Howard might if he ditches Harden (or if Harden ditches Houston) and he teams up with a true alpha who plays on both sides of the court.

Blake Griffin. He'll never sniff a ring.

[knicksman]

lebron if he not cheated

[Lebron23]

lebron if he not cheated


Lebron with more championships than the Knicks after this season. Go F*ck yourself.

[moe94]

Carmelo Anthony will never win a ring as the number 1 option. That is all but set in stone.

[Lebron23]

Carmelo Anthony will never win a ring as the number 1 option. That is all but set in stone.


he might win as 3rd scoring option ala Glen Rice with the 2000 Lakers, or as a role player ala Glen Robinson.

[ripthekik]

he might win as 3rd scoring option ala Glen Rice with the 2000 Lakers, or as a role player ala Glen Robinson.
Or he can take the lebron-shortcut: join 2 other stars in their primes, preferably one ex-FMVP. Then he'll win for sure.

I dont think any list of players for this thread is possible, because if a star wants to win that badly, all he needs to do is take the lebron-shortcut.

[SpaceJammeR]

harden, dwight, and melo for sure. ill be surprised if one of them do win.

[Lebron23]

Or he can take the lebron-shortcut: join 2 other stars in their primes, preferably one ex-FMVP. Then he'll win for sure.

I dont think any list of players for this thread is possible, because if a star wants to win that badly, all he needs to do is take the lebron-shortcut.


duh

Lebron is a superior playoffs performer than Cancermelo Anthonyand Kobrick Bryant. He had Prime Camby, Prime Kenyon Martin, and Prime Iverson during his Nuggets days.

[ABfor3]

Being a Rockets fan sure aint easy on this board.. lol

[moe94]

Being a Rockets fan sure aint easy on this board.. lol

http://www.obsessedwithsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/player-haters-chappelle.jpg

They stay hating.

[Lebron23]

Being a Rockets fan sure aint easy on this board.. lol

Lakers and Kobe fanatics hates Dwight Howard.

[moe94]

Lakers and Kobe fanatics hates Dwight Howard.

That doesn't even begin to describe the amount of hate Harden gets. Basically, these two are the most hated players here, along with Paul.

[ABfor3]

http://www.obsessedwithsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/player-haters-chappelle.jpg

They stay hating.
They really do, but its all good in the neighborhood :cheers:

[ripthekik]

duh

Lebron is a superior playoffs performer than Cancermelo Anthonyand Kobrick Bryant. He had Prime Camby, Prime Kenyon Martin, and Prime Iverson during his Nuggets days.
Superior playoff performer?? really? :roll: :roll: :roll:

How did he do in his first finals? How about 2011? And when he quit in game 5? His elbow? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Only reason he upped his average now is because of his stacked team. Dude will crumple if he doesn't have help, as evidenced even in 2013 finals. He couldn't hit a shot outside the paint and got shut down by Boris Diaw.

[Lebron23]

Superior playoff performer?? really? :roll: :roll: :roll:

How did he do in his first finals? How about 2011? And when he quit in game 5? His elbow? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Only reason he upped his average now is because of his stacked team. Dude will crumple if he doesn't have help, as evidenced even in 2013 finals. He couldn't hit a shot outside the paint and got shut down by Boris Diaw.


LBJ, KB, and Melo Stats


Lebron

28.1 ppg on 47.2 FG%, 8.8 rpg, 6.7 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.9 bpg


Kobe

25.6 ppg on 44.8 FG%, 5.1 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.7 bpg

Melo

25.7 ppg on 41.7 FG%, 7.3 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.3 spf, 0.3 bpg

4x NBA MVP, > 1x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 0 MVP, 0 Finals MVP.

[I<3NBA]

Melo has the bleakest prospect of all. even if he tries to leave NY, where will he go that will give him the best chance?

unless he goes to Miami.

[ripthekik]

LBJ, KB, and Melo Stats


Lebron

28.1 ppg on 47.2 FG%, 8.8 rpg, 6.7 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.9 bpg


Kobe

25.6 ppg on 44.8 FG%, 5.1 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.7 bpg

Melo

25.7 ppg on 41.7 FG%, 7.3 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.3 spf, 0.3 bpg

4x NBA MVP, > 1x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 0 MVP, 0 Finals MVP.
Who has the biggest ppg dropoff in the Finals? What's his finals win-lose record? :rolleyes:

[Lebron23]

Who has the biggest ppg dropoff in the Finals? What's his finals win-lose record? :rolleyes:


Lebron is more efficient than Kobe in the Finals. and he also averaged more rebounds, assists, steals, and even block shots. His first finals appearance really hurt his stats.

[East_Stone_Ya]

Rose

[sejoon101]

So somehow this turned out to be a Lebron thread once again.

I lurk, read about 10 posts worth of the OP's discussion, and BEFORE I EVEN KNOW IT I'm reading about that Lebron again. It's like... It happens so naturally and fast, I don't even know its happening, but when I realize what I'm reading, it has already happened. Jesus ***. EVERY THREAD TURNS OUT LIKE THIS

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/sejoon101/7HWxsaV.gif (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/sejoon101/media/7HWxsaV.gif.html)

[ripthekik]

Lebron is more efficient than Kobe in the Finals. and he also averaged more rebounds, assists, steals, and even block shots. His first finals appearance really hurt his stats.
His first? How about his second? and How do you explain the biggest dropoff? and how do you explain this?

Most 30 point finals games All time

1)Jerry West -- 31
2)Michael Jordan -- 23
3)Elgin Baylor -- 19
4)Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 16
5)Shaquille O'Neal -- 16
6)Bob Pettit -- 14
7)Kobe Bryant -- 13
8)Rick Barry -- 8
9)Hakeem Olajuwon -- 8
10)John Havlicek -- 8
11)Sam Jones -- 8
12)George Mikan -- 7
13)Dwyane Wade -- 7

Wade :applause: :applause: :applause: True MVP

[Jameerthefear]

So somehow this turned out to be a Lebron thread once again.

I lurk, read about 10 posts worth of the OP's discussion, and BEFORE I EVEN KNOW IT I'm reading about that Lebron again. It's like... It happens so naturally and fast, I don't even know its happening, but when I realize what I'm reading, it has already happened. Jesus ***. EVERY THREAD TURNS OUT LIKE THIS

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/sejoon101/7HWxsaV.gif (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/sejoon101/media/7HWxsaV.gif.html)
:roll: :roll:

[r15mohd]

Who has the biggest ppg dropoff in the Finals? What's his finals win-lose record? :rolleyes:


Isnt Magic like 24-28 in his Finals W/L record?!? yet he's apart of the top 5 in EVERYONE's all-time list...the "point" you're trying to make is dull, at best! :facepalm

[r15mohd]

His first? How about his second? and How do you explain the biggest dropoff? and how do you explain this?

Most 30 point finals games All time

1)Jerry West -- 31
2)Michael Jordan -- 23
3)Elgin Baylor -- 19
4)Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 16
5)Shaquille O'Neal -- 16
6)Bob Pettit -- 14
7)Kobe Bryant -- 13
8)Rick Barry -- 8
9)Hakeem Olajuwon -- 8
10)John Havlicek -- 8
11)Sam Jones -- 8
12)George Mikan -- 7
13)Dwyane Wade -- 7

Wade :applause: :applause: :applause: True MVP


here we go again...:rolleyes:

Magic Johnson played in 9 NBA finals, winning 5:
Won: 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988
Lost: 1983, 1984, 1989, 1991

3x Finals MVP...and where is he on the 30pt games list? yet, top 5 all-time NBA player.

stop the agenda :facepalm

[R.I.P.]

It

[r15mohd]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]It

[Genaro]

It's hard to answer because this days anyone can pull off a Lebron, join a stacked team and win chips.

[kNicKz]

duh

Lebron is a superior playoffs performer than Cancermelo Anthonyand Kobrick Bryant. He had Prime Camby, Prime Kenyon Martin, and Prime Iverson during his Nuggets days.


http://www.gifsoup.com/view2/1191763/laughing-puppets-o.gif

[Lebron23]

Those guys especially Iverson was better than Mo Williams, and anderson Varejao.


And to ripthekik

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8472/bricks9493307s.gif

25.1 ppg on 41 FG%.

[cos88]

i feel bad for guys like howard, paul and carmelo. the first two will be 30 next year and melo will be 30 in 4 months.


if lebron is healthy this guys will never win a ship unless they play on the same team.



also durant, westbrook, harden, rose and all the guys from 07/08/09 will have to wait until he retires.

[ripthekik]

It's hard to answer because this days anyone can pull off a Lebron, join a stacked team and win chips.
Yeap. Imagine if CP3, durant, and Howard decided 1 summer to join together. How hard is winning a ring? The value of the ring really dropped, just like the housing bubble after lebron started winning his rings

[Lebron23]

Yeap. Imagine if CP3, durant, and Howard decided 1 summer to join together. How hard is winning a ring? The value of the ring really dropped, just like the housing bubble after lebron started winning his rings


Miami would still beat them. They have a better chemistry, and a much better bench because I don't see any one of them taking a pay cut.

[Lebron23]

Lakers formed a superstar last year, but they still failed. A super team with great chemistry, great leadership, and lots of heart >> a super team with zero chemistry, zero leadership, and zero heart.

http://media.bakersfieldnow.com/images/121026-Lakers-2012-starters.jpg

http://binaryapi.ap.org/db50ea5cbf994d75bd68a9a92d0eeb03/512x.jpg

[ripthekik]

Miami would still beat them. They have a better chemistry, and a much better bench because I don't see any one of them taking a pay cut.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
no, Miami would not beat them, lebron plays much worse when he is the underdog.. remember the spurs finals series?


Lakers formed a superstar last year, but they still failed. A super team with great chemistry, great leadership, and lots of heart >> a super team with zero chemistry, zero leadership, and zero heart.
Wrong again. Lakers last year were no superteam. Nash was 38? and injured most of the times. Kobe was in his 17th season. Pau was over his prime and also injured often. Dwight was recovering from his injury and was useless offensively.

A superstar team only works if the players are all in or around their primes. Lebron and the heat are the only ones who got this correct. This year Net failed because their superstars are all old and out of their prime, like the Lakers too.

If CP3, KD, and Dwight form a team currently, they would be a real superteam, and lebron would wet his bed everyday.

[Lebron23]

Kobe without Shaq and dominant front court = 1st round fodders.

Lebron without Wade and Bosh = He led his team in the NBA Finals as a 22 yrs.old/Conference finals appearances.

[STATUTORY]

Lebron without Wade and Bosh = He led his team in the NBA Finals as a 22 yrs.old/Conference finals appearances.

what happened to Lebron once he faced a western conference team doe?

what was his PER that series?

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe without Shaq and dominant front court = 1st round fodders.

Lebron without Wade and Bosh = He led his team in the NBA Finals as a 22 yrs.old/Conference finals appearances.

:roll:

anyway, lebron with wade and bosh= single handedly cost them the title.

[Lebron23]

:roll:

anyway, lebron with wade and bosh= single handedly cost them the title.


Kobe with Gasol and Bynum got swept in the 2nd round against the Mavs.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[STATUTORY]

Kobe with Gasol and Bynum got swept in the 2nd round against the Mavs.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: actin like gasol and BYNUM are anywhere close to wade and bosh

[ripthekik]

Kobe without Shaq and dominant front court = 1st round fodders.

Lebron without Wade and Bosh = He led his team in the NBA Finals as a 22 yrs.old/Conference finals appearances.
So how was Lebron's stats in that finals without Wade and Bosh?

And do you want to see Wade's stats in the finals without Lebron? Do you? :rolleyes:

[clutchinho]

Right now it's impossible to answer. IMO, every championship ring after 2011 has an * right next to it

This * will be lifted when another 3 future hall of famers willingly team up in the prime of their careers

[Lebron23]

:roll: actin like gasol and BYNUM are anywhere close to wade and bosh


Just last June the heat still won a championship while both bosh and wade were just average in the playoffs and finals,

Bosh was scoreless in Game 7 while Gasol carried overrated @$$ in Game 7 of the Finals.

[clutchinho]

Just last June the heat still won a championship while both bosh and wade were just average in the finals, and bosh was scoreless in Game 7. Gasol carried overrated @$$ in Game 7 of the Finals.

You do realize the Heat were a Ray Allen miracle 3 from going home empty handed again

[Lebron23]

You do realize the Heat were a Ray Allen miracle 3 from going home empty handed again


The better team won the series. The Miami proved it in Game 7. Lebron totally destroyed their confidence in that game. 37 points, and 12 rebounds in the last game of the season.

[Mr. Jabbar]

You do realize the Heat were a Ray Allen miracle 3 from going home empty handed again

all that finals series before dat ray 3, lebron played subpar as it is his trademark during finals

[clutchinho]

The better team won the series. The Miami proved it in Game 7. Lebron totally destroyed their confidence in that game. 37 points, and 12 rebounds in the last game of the season.

No Ray Allen, no game 7. You don't have to convince me Lebron is the greatest frontrunner in the league, once Ray Allen reminded him just how stacked his team actually was, he came alive.

[Lebron23]

No Ray Allen, no game 7. You don't have to convince me Lebron is the greatest frontrunner in the league, once Ray Allen reminded him just how stacked his team actually was, he came alive.


I think it's Mr. 6/24.

[Solefade]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
no, Miami would not beat them, lebron plays much worse when he is the underdog.. remember the spurs finals series?


Wrong again. Lakers last year were no superteam. Nash was 38? and injured most of the times. Kobe was in his 17th season. Pau was over his prime and also injured often. Dwight was recovering from his injury and was useless offensively.

A superstar team only works if the players are all in or around their primes. Lebron and the heat are the only ones who got this correct. This year Net failed because their superstars are all old and out of their prime, like the Lakers too.

If CP3, KD, and Dwight form a team currently, they would be a real superteam, and lebron would wet his bed everyday.

So why do you dismiss all of that when Heat fans talk about Wade and Bosh being injured in the playoffs? Such a hypocrite.

[Illuminati]

No Ray Allen, no game 7. You don't have to convince me Lebron is the greatest frontrunner in the league, once Ray Allen reminded him just how stacked his team actually was, he came alive.

No LeBron 16 point 4th quarter including a clutch 3 before Allen's, no Allen 3. Give credit where credit is due, you ******.

[r15mohd]

don't you love it when trolls like Rip refuses to acknowledge responses that puts his agenda(s) to rest :lol

typical!

[pauk]

So somehow this turned out to be a Lebron thread once again.

I lurk, read about 10 posts worth of the OP's discussion, and BEFORE I EVEN KNOW IT I'm reading about that Lebron again. It's like... It happens so naturally and fast, I don't even know its happening, but when I realize what I'm reading, it has already happened. Jesus ***. EVERY THREAD TURNS OUT LIKE THIS

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Welcome to ISH!

[mrRager]

blake griffin
klove
harden
dwight
cp3

[PickernRoller]

Compare them to the last era(2000-2010), then compare them to the (1990-2000) era.

No need for insightful examination to understand the quality of the players involved. In conclusion = WEAK ERA.

[Illuminati]

So somehow this turned out to be a Lebron thread once again.

I lurk, read about 10 posts worth of the OP's discussion, and BEFORE I EVEN KNOW IT I'm reading about that Lebron again. It's like... It happens so naturally and fast, I don't even know its happening, but when I realize what I'm reading, it has already happened. Jesus ***. EVERY THREAD TURNS OUT LIKE THIS

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:oldlol: :oldlol:

Insecure Kobe stans.

[MadSolar]

Lebron fans getting destroyed in this thread goddamn.

[Fudge]

Lebron fans getting destroyed in this thread goddamn.
All da damn time bruh. :oldlol: