WOW Kobe made Gasol, Bynum, LO, Artest, Ariza champions...HOW?

[Dizzle-2k7]

How the *** did Kobe take these dudes to back2back chips? I see these names and all I see is hot garbage, with the exception of the spaniard who is good, but not even as good as prime Bosh right now, whos the 3rd option on the Heat...

:biggums:

[alec613]

You sure you're a Spurs fan?

[Godzuki]

Ariza is balling for the Wizards this year. and he was great with the Lakers. just in between that he's been mediocre bad.

[TheReal Kendall]

Horrible troll attempt :facepalm

[Myth]

I also can't believe he made a team with Shaq, Karl Malone, and Gary Payton get all the way to the Finals. None of those scrubs are good enough to even be in the league right now.

[PickernRoller]

I also can't believe he made a team with Shaq, Karl Malone, and Gary Payton get all the way to the Finals. None of those scrubs are good enough to even be in the league right now.

Last I checked neither Payton nor Malone had it in them in their prime. Had to rely on baby Kobe to carry those old broken fools to the Finals for a gifted ring. It wasn't enough that they spent most of the season getting injured and outplayed by what later turned out to be nobodies.

Shaq was Shaq that's probably it. Even Fisher, a youngling back then was a disappointment.

People gotta watch some tape before spewing filth. I do understand not everyone is a Laker fan to know what really happened. Or, as is the case with ISH, not old enough.

You know they were a weak cast when Kobe had to go toe to toe with Tracy just to get a win off the Orlando f'cking Magic. Spurs were always lunch for Kobe.

[Legends66NBA7]

Those teams fit perfectly around Bryant.

Also, Phil Jackson really helped a lot too.

[guy]

Last I checked neither Payton nor Malone had it in them in their prime. Had to rely on baby Kobe to carry those old broken fools to the Finals for a gifted ring. It wasn't enough that they spent most of the season getting injured and outplayed by what later turned out to be nobodies.

Shaq was Shaq that's probably it. Even Fisher, a youngling back then was a disappointment.

People gotta watch some tape before spewing filth. I do understand not everyone is a Laker fan to know what really happened. Or, as is the case with ISH, not old enough.

You know they were a weak cast when Kobe that to go toe to toe with Tracy just to get a win off the Orlando f'cking Magic. Spurs were always lunch for Kobe.

I think his point was what all those players that the OP mentioned are in 2014 (hot garbage) really has nothing to do what they were in 2009 and 2010 just like what Payton and Malone were in 1994 has nothing to do with what they were in 2004.

[cos88]

week era for trollin, 2/10

[Mr. Jabbar]

its just a coincidence lamar odom is retired, that bynum is retired, that gasol is 0-20 in playoff games w/o kobe...just a coincidence, remember, just a coincidence..kobe won with a super stacked team and the most dominant front court known to man..just a coincidence..

[D-Rose]

its just a coincidence lamar odom is retired, that bynum is retired, that gasol is 0-20 in playoff games w/o kobe...just a coincidence, remember, just a coincidence..kobe won with a super stacked team and the most dominant front court known to man..just a coincidence..
What a convenient way of looking at things :facepalm

[Raymone]

What a convenient way of looking at things :facepalm

He's being sarcastic.

[red1]

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/15324-1/phil+jackson+cracks+a+smile.jpg

[GASOL IS GOAT]

I think his point was what all those players that the OP mentioned are in 2014 (hot garbage) really has nothing to do what they were in 2009 and 2010 just like what Payton and Malone were in 1994 has nothing to do with what they were in 2004.
Bynum was nothing but a role player in the championship years, Gasol never won a playoff game before teaming up with Kobe, Lamar Odom coincidentally became absolute garbage after he left Kobe, artest sucked so badly at the offensive end his defense barely made up for it, Ariza is a nobody. Kobe carried them hard.

[DMAVS41]

its just a coincidence lamar odom is retired, that bynum is retired, that gasol is 0-20 in playoff games w/o kobe...just a coincidence, remember, just a coincidence..kobe won with a super stacked team and the most dominant front court known to man..just a coincidence..

lamar odom was always one of the best all around players in the league and super talented.

this is a player that put up 17/10/4 the year before coming to the Lakers and entering his prime.

the notion that kobe made gasol (a 18/9/3 player from day 1 in the league) and odom is absurd.

of course Kobe made life easier on them though...they played in perfect roles next to an alpha like Kobe. Odom is the perfect 3rd do it all option and Gasol (in his prime) was easily the best 2nd option in the league

Also, a guy like Ariza is perfectly suited to play less of a role...he actually excels in that because he does stuff that is valuable

give Kobe/Phil credit for making life easier on these guys and allowing them to play in their strengths, but please don't call them bums...many teams in history would be lining up to take prime gasol/odom as the 2nd/3rd best players on a team coached by Phil Jackson

Also, Gasol made life easier on Kobe as well. Someone to play offense, great passer, unselfish, legit 7 footer that could play forward and center...give you 20/10/3 in the playoffs...

Come on now...

[longtime lurker]

Those teams fit perfectly around Bryant.

Also, Phil Jackson really helped a lot too.

Good non biased way to look at it.

[tpols]

of course Kobe made life easier on them though...they played in perfect roles next to an alpha like Kobe. Odom is the perfect 3rd do it all option and Gasol (in his prime) was easily the best 2nd option in the league
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Youre right, they defintely arent bums especially in that system.

As standalone players, Odom is a fringe all star type.. hes not really highly motivated, seems to coast on his own off his own talents. Pau is a top 5 super skilled PF but he lacks ability to put a team on his shoulders and is vulnerable to getting punked.

It's the combination of styles under great coaching that made them succeed.


It couldve been Z-Bo/Odom, West/Odom, Amare/Odom, Bosh/Odom, Aldridge/Odom, etc. When you stack two offensively skilled all star big men next to Kobe and let them feed off the triangle and the extra offensive rebounding opportunities you're going to see a team thats tough to beat.


Best fit out of those imo is Z-Bo/Odom.. cant even imagine how much that guy would feast on the boards with the defense sucked out to the perimeter and single coverage everytime. He'd be a legit like 18-19/13 player and Lakers would dominate boards even more. And his legacy would skyrocket.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Odom wasn't a fringe all star. He was Michael Beasley for the Heat.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

It is more a testament to the triangle and Phil Jackson's coaching. What did Kobe do with Mike Brown? Has Kobe ever won a ring with out Phil Jackson? The answer is no. Kobe is one of the players on a list of bums that Phil got the most out of.

[scott0326]

Trevor Ariza has actually been fantastic this year..

[Myth]

Best fit out of those imo is Z-Bo/Odom.. cant even imagine how much that guy would feast on the boards with the defense sucked out to the perimeter and single coverage everytime. He'd be a legit like 18-19/13 player and Lakers would dominate boards even more. And his legacy would skyrocket.

I disagree. Z-Bo struggles way too much on defense, even compared to Pau. Pau's length on defense was very vital.

[Genaro]

What shocks me the most is the 2008 run to the finals. That in my opinion is Kobe's peak.
The starting 5 had Fisher - Kobe - Radmanovic :confusedshrug: - Odom - Pau
The bench was really bad.Vujacic was the best reserve :lol . Farmar wasn't balling as today, Luke I don't have to explain and the bigman off the bench was Ronnie fcking Turiaf :wtf:
Ariza and Bynum were hurt and Shannon wasn't in LA yet.

[Nash]

Wasn't Lakers one of the more stacked teams before all the superstar teams were created in the summer of 2010?

[Heavincent]

Wasn't Lakers one of the more stacked teams before all the superstar teams were created in the summer of 2010?

Not really, no. Celtics, Nuggets, and Suns were all capable of beating the Lakers. It was a level playing field.

It's kind of hard for me to call a team with only one superstar "stacked", although I guess the definition of stacked differs depending on who you ask.

[The-Legend-24]

And on the other end, you have Lebron, who needed a god damn all star team to win. :oldlol:

[Nash]

Not really, no. Celtics, Nuggets, and Suns were all capable of beating the Lakers. It was a level playing field.

It's kind of hard for me to call a team with only one superstar "stacked", although I guess the definition of stacked differs depending on who you ask.
Yeah, obviously behind Celtics. But they still had Kobe and Gasol, two legit superstars with Odom, Artest and Bynum the 2nd time as big support. At that time there wasn't that many teams who could line up with two legit stars.

[moe94]

Not really, no. Celtics, Nuggets, and Suns were all capable of beating the Lakers. It was a level playing field.

It's kind of hard for me to call a team with only one superstar "stacked", although I guess the definition of stacked differs depending on who you ask.

Gasol was a better second option than anyone else had and it's not even close.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yeah, obviously behind Celtics. But they still had Kobe and Gasol, two legit superstars with Odom, Artest and Bynum the 2nd time as big support. At that time there wasn't that many teams who could line up with two legit stars.


:lol

[Nash]

:lol
Sorry, I meant stars.

[Heavincent]

But they still had Kobe and Gasol, two legit superstars

You have an extremely broad definition of the word superstar if you consider Gasol to be one.

[moe94]

You have an extremely broad definition of the word superstar if you consider Gasol to be one.

He was the best offensive PF in the league and the best second option. Not a superstar, but to pretend like he was carried is beyond retarded. :confusedshrug:

[Nash]

You have an extremely broad definition of the word superstar if you consider Gasol to be one.
Not here to shit on your favorite team. The back to back they achieved was amazing.

[Nick Young]

He was the best offensive PF in the league and the best second option. Not a superstar, but to pretend like he was carried is beyond retarded. :confusedshrug:
Mamba made him the best offensive PF in the league. Before he was traded Gasol was averaging like 16 ppg on a bad team and had never even won a single game in the first round of the playoffs in his entire life.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/15324-1/phil+jackson+cracks+a+smile.jpg
This handsome devil is the answer.

[tpols]

Gasol was a better second option than anyone else had and it's not even close.
True.. rest wasnt tho

[The Iron Fist]

lamar odom was always one of the best all around players in the league and super talented.

this is a player that put up 17/10/4 the year before coming to the Lakers and entering his prime.

the notion that kobe made gasol (a 18/9/3 player from day 1 in the league) and odom is absurd.

of course Kobe made life easier on them though...they played in perfect roles next to an alpha like Kobe. Odom is the perfect 3rd do it all option and Gasol (in his prime) was easily the best 2nd option in the league

Also, a guy like Ariza is perfectly suited to play less of a role...he actually excels in that because he does stuff that is valuable

give Kobe/Phil credit for making life easier on these guys and allowing them to play in their strengths, but please don't call them bums...many teams in history would be lining up to take prime gasol/odom as the 2nd/3rd best players on a team coached by Phil Jackson

Also, Gasol made life easier on Kobe as well. Someone to play offense, great passer, unselfish, legit 7 footer that could play forward and center...give you 20/10/3 in the playoffs...

Come on now...

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[The Iron Fist]

It is more a testament to the triangle and Phil Jackson's coaching. What did Kobe do with Mike Brown? Has Kobe ever won a ring with out Phil Jackson? The answer is no. Kobe is one of the players on a list of bums that Phil got the most out of.
Did Jordan? Pippen? Harper?

Whats the point you're trying to make?

[I<3NBA]

he got the greatest coach of all time carrying his stupid ass?