Is Durant overall already better than Kobe ever was?

[pauk]

To be honest i already started gradually thinking this way some year/years ago, was kindof hesitant of expressing it as time passed by as i wanted to give KD more time before i made such a comment, it was kindof premature..... but i have seen enough man and he is better this season than ever before... cant hold this in any longer.

I am not talking about accolades/achievements/milestones.... but strictly them as overall players in 48 minutes of a game...

Take a very good look at the guy today, he is at 6'11" maybe the best ballhandler we ever seen (at that size and over), on top of that he is extremly athletic, has the shooting & clutchness of essentially Reggie Miller, fantastic footwork, can score in every single way, this guy is very unfairly gifted & skilled, absolutely unguardable.... defense is good & will be even better (great potential there), comparable passing/vision to Kobe and is a better rebounder........

...am i wrong if i think Durant has better talent/skills at his disposal than Kobe ever had? If so, then please help me change my mind right here.

[SpecialQue]

I thought you gave up on trolling?

Also, I guess we just found out who "TonyMontanta" was.

[Budadiiii]

You're probably right.

[pauk]

I thought you gave up on trolling?

Also, I guess we just found out who "TonyMontanta" was.

How is this "trolling" exactly? Its a very serious & objective discussion. Is it really that absurd to think Durant might possess better talent/skills than Kobe did? If so, then help me see that absurdity....

[inclinerator]

nope

[brandonislegend]

To be honest i already started gradually thinking this way some year/years ago, was kindof hesitant of expressing it as time passed by as i wanted to give KD more time before i made such a comment, it was kindof premature..... but i have seen enough man and he is better this season than ever before... cant hold this in any longer.

I am not talking about accolades/achievements/milestones.... but strictly them as overall players in 48 minutes of a game...

Take a very good look at the guy today, he is at 6'11" maybe the best ballhandler we ever seen (at that size and over), on top of that he is extremly athletic, has the shooting & clutchness of essentially Reggie Miller, fantastic footwork, can score in every single way, this guy is very unfairly gifted & skilled, absolutely unguardable.... defense is good & will be even better (great potential there), comparable passing/vision to Kobe and is a better rebounder........

...am i wrong if i think Durant has better talent/skills at his disposal than Kobe ever had? If so, then please help me change my mind right here.
Since you are probably 8 years old and never seen Kobe play in his prime, yes.

[Heavincent]

Your agenda is so obvious.

[Mr. Jabbar]

deep inside we all know pauk had a mini meltdown today cause durantula cemented himself as the clear cut mvp, and miami continues to win every game in which bran doesn't play or plays poorly :oldlol:

this thread is elementary trolling, ill give it 3/10 just cause pauks previous work

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Thread already exists:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308453

[pauk]

Your agenda is so obvious.

Lets see what kindof wonderful agenda accusation you can make up this time.... im waiting...

[TheMarkMadsen]

Dat anger from the 30-5-5 club is boiling over

[pauk]

Thread already exists:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308453

Ah, missed it, thanks.

We can take the discussion over there.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Dat anger from the 30-5-5 club is boiling over

you can tell hes mad as F froma mile away but that essay just doesn't come....i wonder if hes still got it in him

[pauk]

you can tell hes mad as F froma mile away but that essay just doesn't come....i wonder if hes still got it in him

You can make one just like your friend Magic32 did or ask Bandito to make another one.... fairly easy.... just copy/paste all my posts into a post and then whine away! yay! fun for all children.

[Mr. Jabbar]

You can make one just like your friend Magic32 did or ask Bandito to make another one.... fairly easy.... just copy/paste all my posts into a post and then whine away! yay! fun for all children.

weak man. get your shit together. i am disappoint.

[Lebron23]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/36856803.jpg

Love that scene from Gladiator.

[pauk]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/36856803.jpg

Love that scene from Gladiator.

Why not? In what areas do you think Kobe was better/worse and same for Durant? Its really debatable i think, KD is really god damn good.... people need to wake up, quick...

[coin24]

Pauk so mad right now :oldlol:
Durant MVP and Bran exposed as a stad padding role player:roll: :roll:

[Droid101]

you can tell hes mad as F froma mile away but that essay just doesn't come....i wonder if hes still got it in him
http://i.imgur.com/NjrwffZ.jpg

[VIntageNOvel]

deep inside we all know pauk had a mini meltdown today cause durantula cemented himself as the clear cut mvp, and miami continues to win every game in which bran doesn't play or plays poorly :oldlol:

this thread is elementary trolling, ill give it 3/10 just cause pauks previous work
yup you're right

for those who are wondering about what happened,
rip exposed him and his good poster act :lol
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316260&page=27

good job guys, a little more push and we will get another essay :applause:

[sportjames23]

Since you are probably 8 years old and never seen Kobe play in his prime, yes.


I think Kobe fans now know how us Jordan fans feel. Now they're using our line. :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

yup you're right

for those who are wondering about what happened,
rip exposed him and his good poster act :lol
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316260&page=27

good job guys, a little more push and we will get another essay :applause:


This is what set him off

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321485

[Brizzly]

lol Kobe was a better scorer, defender, passer, ball handler and everything else i guess KD is better at gettin to the line.

[CavaliersFTW]

To be honest i already started gradually thinking this way some year/years ago, was kindof hesitant of expressing it as time passed by as i wanted to give KD more time before i made such a comment, it was kindof premature..... but i have seen enough man and he is better this season than ever before... cant hold this in any longer.

I am not talking about accolades/achievements/milestones.... but strictly them as overall players in 48 minutes of a game...

Take a very good look at the guy today, he is at 6'11" maybe the best ballhandler we ever seen (at that size and over), on top of that he is extremly athletic, has the shooting & clutchness of essentially Reggie Miller, fantastic footwork, can score in every single way, this guy is very unfairly gifted & skilled, absolutely unguardable.... defense is good & will be even better (great potential there), comparable passing/vision to Kobe and is a better rebounder........

...am i wrong if i think Durant has better talent/skills at his disposal than Kobe ever had? If so, then please help me change my mind right here.
He's not 6-11, he's the exact same height without shoes as this guy:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GSBGd23gPws/S3eFlL_DfhI/AAAAAAAAAZY/eZU2gug-TgU/S692/6a00d4141cd5f8685e0110180636fd860f-500pi.jpg


A Draftexpress confirmed 6-9 without shoes on for Kevin Durant, and a 1992 Olympics confirmed 6-9 without shoes for Larry Bird. Point being, I don't think he handles the ball any better than Bird.

[moe94]

lol Kobe was a better scorer, defender, passer, ball handler and everything else i guess KD is better at gettin to the line.

Even after taking out his first 2 years and latest season, Kobe's stats are 27.1 PPG on 45%

Durant is at 26.7 PPG on 48%

:confusedshrug:

Playoffs Kobe: 25.6 PPG on 45%

Playoffs Durant, so far: 28.6 on 46%

[russwest0]

He's not 6-11, he's the exact same height without shoes as this guy:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GSBGd23gPws/S3eFlL_DfhI/AAAAAAAAAZY/eZU2gug-TgU/S692/6a00d4141cd5f8685e0110180636fd860f-500pi.jpg


A Draftexpress confirmed 6-9 without shoes on for Kevin Durant, and a 1992 Olympics confirmed 6-9 without shoes for Larry Bird. Point being, I don't think he handles the ball any better than Bird.

Okay. Durant is 6'9. But then LeBron is also 6'7 AT BEST

[magnax1]

Okay. Durant is 6'9. But then LeBron is also 6'7 AT BEST
Lebron is listed at 6'7 without shoes. I heard KD was measured 6'10 without shoes in the olympics though. He looks taller than he is because he's so lanky and skinny I think though.

[CavaliersFTW]

Okay. Durant is 6'9. But then LeBron is also 6'7 AT BEST
correct, he measured 6-7 and 1/4, and though he may have grown some since his draft measurement it does not appear by much, as he is still quite visibly shorter than say, guys like Kevin Love who measured 6-7 and 3/4. Durant is one of the few players who was actually honest about his height. Most everyone else gives themselves an inch or two on the roster sheet.

[CavaliersFTW]

Lebron is listed at 6'7 without shoes. I heard KD was measured 6'10 without shoes in the olympics though. He looks taller than he is because he's so lanky and skinny I think though.
When/where did you hear this? Can you cite it?

[moe94]

Lebron is listed at 6'7 without shoes. I heard KD was measured 6'10 without shoes in the olympics though. He looks taller than he is because he's so lanky and skinny I think though.
http://lakers60862.webs.com/photos/Lebron,%20Kobe,%20CP4,%20D-Wade.jpg

If LeBron is 6'7, then Kobe is 6'5 or something. The disparity between LeBron and Kobe is bigger than the disparity between Wade and Kobe.


Point being, I don't think he handles the ball any better than Bird.

hahaha

[magnax1]

When/where did you hear this? Can you cite it?
Nah, I don't have a source. I might look around a bit, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasnt true.

[MASH Transit]

correct, he measured 6-7 and 1/4, and though he may have grown some since his draft measurement it does not appear by much, as he is still quite visibly shorter than say, guys like Kevin Love who measured 6-7 and 3/4. Durant is one of the few players who was actually honest about his height. Most everyone else gives themselves an inch or two on the roster sheet.


If you think Durant is 6'9, you're stupid. Neither his teammates, his peers, coaches nor analyst believe that shit.

[magnax1]

KD is listed as 6'10 on his team USA bio. Idk how reliable that is though.
http://www.teamusa.org/Athletes/DU/Kevin-Durant
They list Kobe at 6'6 when he's been measured at 6'5.

[CavaliersFTW]

If you think Durant is 6'9, you're stupid. Neither his teammates, his peers, coaches nor analyst believe that shit.
They don't believe his 6-9 list height because everyone and their mother in the NBA has lied about their height and been overbilled. Not that difficult to understand. When they see Kevin Durant next to Kevin Love and Kevin Love is listed 6-10 they think 'damn Durant looks at least an inch taller!, he's 6-11"!

Except... Kevin Love is only 6-7 and 3/4...

[magnax1]

If LeBron is 6'7, then Kobe is 6'5 or something. The disparity between LeBron and Kobe is bigger than the disparity between Wade and Kobe.
Kobe is 6'5. Wade is a tiny bit less than 6'4 I think.

[CavaliersFTW]

KD is listed as 6'10 on his team USA bio. Idk how reliable that is though.
http://www.teamusa.org/Athletes/DU/Kevin-Durant
They list Kobe at 6'6 when he's been measured at 6'5.
Kobe was measured at 6-4 and 3/4 by his wife at home and this is by his own self admission, so it appears the International/Olympics now care little about measured heights anymore as well. They measured most of the 1992 team because they were not yet aware exactly how much the NBA was inflating list info and they wanted to know how tall those guys were for themselves. Perhaps now they couldn't care less. Or perhaps now they've tried to adopt the idea of listing players based on their in shoes heights (Durant would be 6-10 in shoes) - which is what the NBA claims it does (even though it doesn't, case in point, Durant).

[Brizzly]

Even after taking out his first 2 years and latest season, Kobe's stats are 27.1 PPG on 45%

Durant is at 26.7 PPG on 48%

:confusedshrug:

Playoffs Kobe: 25.6 PPG on 45%

Playoffs Durant, so far: 28.6 on 46%

smfh u are a retard u dont count his first two seasons in the reg.season but u do in the playoffs, he wasnt a starter and played ~20 minutes in his two first seasons.

And you round up Durants fg% but not kobe's lets try again

Kobe 27.4 ppg .455

Durant 26.7 on .476

And Kobe was also a second option to Shaq for his first 8 years in the league, since Shaq departed Kobe has averaged 28.6 on .453 and a season averaging 35 points per game which is the most impressive season scoring wise since MJ.

[moe94]

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7739/whatc.jpg http://www.basketballheaven.com/blog/images/2010/09/kevin-durant-real-height.jpg http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2489/durantd.jpg

Durant is definitely taller than 6'9

[MASH Transit]

They don't believe his 6-9 list height because everyone and their mother in the NBA has lied about their height and been overbilled. Not that difficult to understand. When they see Kevin Durant next to Kevin Love and Kevin Love is listed 6-10 they think 'damn Durant looks at least an inch taller!, he's 6-11"!

Except... Kevin Love is only 6-7 and 3/4...


You think people that play with him, play against him, watch him every night next to similarly tall people; have to rely on hearsay and conjecture to come to a consensus?

Like I said, if you think Durant is 6'9, you're stupid.

[CavaliersFTW]

You think people that play with him, play against him, watch him every night next to similarly tall people; have to rely on hearsay and conjecture to come to a consensus?

Like I said, if you think Durant is 6'9, you're stupid.
Sounds like someone is getting mad that their hero isn't as tall as they thought he was? :lol

[moe94]

smfh u are a retard u dont count his first two seasons in the reg.season but u do in the playoffs, he wasnt a starter and played ~20 minutes in his two first seasons.

And you round up Durants fg% but not kobe's lets try again

Kobe 27.4 ppg .455

Durant 26.7 on .476

And Kobe was also a second option to Shaq for his first 8 years in the league, since Shaq departed Kobe has averaged 28.6 on .453 and a season averaging 35 points per game which is the most impressive season scoring wise since MJ.

That does nothing. Durant is still superior and you can bring the numbers if you want.

Rounding? Round what? Nothing changed. The result is the same. :rolleyes:

[Brizzly]

Durant is 6'9 w/o and a lot of players is listed after their height w/ shoes, NBA should start having official measurments either w/ shoes or w/o.


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

Says he is 6'9 w/o shoes and 6'10 w/ shoes which sounds accurate.

[moe94]

Sounds like someone is getting mad that their hero isn't as tall as they thought he was? :lol

In your deluded mind, everyone in the 60s was a 7 footer and no one is a 7 footer today. :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Durant is 6'9 w/o and a lot of players is listed after their height w/ shoes, NBA should start having official measurments either w/ shoes or w/o.


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

Says he is 6'9 w/o shoes and 6'10 w/ shoes which sounds accurate.
:applause: absolutely, pick one, with or without, and be consistent about it, and make sure everyone is measured. A players size should be treated as a stat. A solid piece of data, not something subjective. Draftexpress has been a godsend for understanding and discussing player sizes in recent years.

[MASH Transit]

Edit

[CavaliersFTW]

In your deluded mind, everyone in the 60s was a 7 footer and no one is a 7 footer today. :roll:
:wtf: incorrect :facepalm

[Brizzly]

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7739/whatc.jpg[/IMG] []http://www.basketballheaven.com/blog/images/2010/09/kevin-durant-real-height.jpg[/IMG] [
]http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2489/durantd.jpg[/IMG]

Durant is definitely taller than 6'9
Kevin Love is around an inch shorter than him and Klove is 6' 7.75" w/o shoes.

[MASH Transit]

Sounds like someone is getting mad that their hero isn't as tall as they thought he was? :lol


*yawn*


[quote]

[Brizzly]

:wtf: :facepalm

He seems retarded i would put him on ignore.

[Brizzly]

*yawn*





http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/01/31/wait-kevin-durant-is-how-tall/


http://media.yourdailymedia.com/4/3214308_o.gif

Great his teammates estimated his height, as official as it gets great find:applause:

[MASH Transit]

Great his teammates estimated his height, as official as it gets great find:applause:


:facepalm

[moe94]

He seems retarded i would put him on ignore.

What? His teammates flat out say he's in the 6'10 range yet of course you know more than them. Put me on ignore. I couldn't care less.

[CavaliersFTW]

*yawn*





http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/01/31/wait-kevin-durant-is-how-tall/


http://media.yourdailymedia.com/4/3214308_o.gif
So a bunch of players who walk around the locker room overbilled and proud of it are answering a journalist with their subjective opinions and you treat this as some sort of empirical evidence against Durant's actual draftexpress camp measurements?


No. I've seen that article before too. This is sad that you would even bring it up as counter evidence against draftexpress :oldlol:

[Brizzly]

That does nothing. Durant is still superior and you can bring the numbers if you want.

Rounding? Round what? Nothing changed. The result is the same. :rolleyes:

Kobes FG% for the mentioned time is .455 you said it was 45% Durants is .476 you said it was 48%, the difference here is 3% instead of what it really is which is 2.1. Got it?

The numbers mean nothing? :banghead:

retarded bitch made ****** ass *****

[CavaliersFTW]

Great his *overbilled* teammates estimated his height, as official as it gets great find:applause:
fixed :oldlol:

[MASH Transit]

So a bunch of players who walk around the locker room overbilled and proud of it are answering a journalist with their subjective opinions and you treat this as some sort of empirical evidence against Durant's actual draftexpress camp measurements?


No. I've seen that article before too. This is sad that you would even bring it up as counter evidence against draftexpress :oldlol:


He defends his stupidity. :facepalm

[moe94]

Kobes FG% for the mentioned time is .455 you said it was 45% Durants is .476 you said it was 48%, the difference here is 3% instead of what it really is which is 2.1. Got it?

The numbers mean nothing? :banghead:

retarded bitch made ****** ass *****

Spazzing like you are while calling others retards is ironic.

The point is, Durant's numbers are still superior. I like how you cannot argue that and cling onto that rounding nonsense.

[Brizzly]

So a bunch of players who walk around the locker room overbilled and proud of it are answering a journalist with their subjective opinions and you treat this as some sort of empirical evidence against Durant's actual draftexpress camp measurements?


No. I've seen that article before too. This is sad that you would even bring it up as counter evidence against draftexpress :oldlol:

The funny thing is Durant is 6'10 but with shoes, I dont understand why this always gets argued over.

[MASH Transit]

We have two geniuses in here arguing as if physical development stops at 18. And they're confident, too. It's hilarious.

[Brizzly]

Spazzing like you are while calling others retards is ironic.

The point is, Durant's numbers are still superior. I like how you cannot argue that and cling onto that rounding nonsense.

is this dude RG?

[moe94]

is this dude RG?

Are you finished? Now you're full on ad hominem with random implications. Congratulations, you've basically conceded.

[Brizzly]

We have two geniuses in here arguing as if physical development stops at 18. And they're confident, too. It's hilarious.

The latest measurements was from when he was 19 altho it is possible to grow past 19 i would be surprised if he grew a full inch.

[Brizzly]

Are you finished? Now you're full on ad hominem with random implications. Congratulations, you've basically conceded.

No I havent I already gave u my reasons to why Kobe was a better scorer, because of the numbers and you come back with the numbers doesnt matter, you literally have to be retarded or RG to say that and act as if you have proved me wrong.

[CavaliersFTW]

The latest measurements was from when he was 19 altho it is possible to grow past 19 i would be surprised if he grew a full inch.
He's in the habit of fudging numbers, 19, 18 what's the difference to him when his ultimate goal is just trying to make his opinion sound artificially bulletproof? :oldlol:

And Indeed, it is plausible Durant could have grown since the age of *19*. But it is not likely that if he grew, he would have grown in increments of inches. More likely that if he grew at all, it would only be measured in small fractions of an inch. At 19 you're not likely to be hitting a dramatic growth spurt.

[moe94]

No I havent I already gave u my reasons to why Kobe was a better scorer, because of the numbers and you come back with the numbers doesnt matter, you literally have to be retarded or RG to say that and act as if you have proved me wrong.

Are you incapable of reading comprehension? I said even after your rounding thing, Durant still has the edge, both in the regular season and playoffs. You talk about Kobe's 35 PPG season as a reason why he's superior. Well, Durant has done 28 PPG on 51/41/90 shooting. Kobe was never close to that. Seems like you're dodging the numbers, too.

[Inactive]

We have two geniuses in here arguing as if physical development stops at 18. And they're confident, too. It's hilarious.Measurements > people like Perkins saying (paraphrasing) "Well I'm 6'10, and he's taller than me, so 6'11."

Most people don't grow a full inch in their 20s. Do you think Durant looks like he's grown that much since his rookie year?

[MASH Transit]

The latest measurements was from when he was 19 altho it is possible to grow past 19 i would be surprised if he grew a full inch.


Durant was 18 at the combine.

[moe94]

Are you people letting this shit escape you? I'm talking about the argument that it's stupid to listen to players/teammates because of their subjective opinion based on no evidence while simultaneously holding the opinion that "well, most people don't grow past 18" as a reason against Durant being 6'10. You cannot dismiss one as stupid while pretending like the other isn't. Just stop. :oldlol:

[STATUTORY]

Durant was never in the same stratosphere as Kobe when it comes to scoring. Kobe is the most prolific and dangerous scorer in the post Jordan era. Durant is a ref product

[MASH Transit]

He's in the habit of fudging numbers, 19, 18 what's the difference to him when his ultimate goal is just trying to make his opinion sound artificially bulletproof? :oldlol:

And Indeed, it is plausible Durant could have grown since the age of *19*. But it is not likely that if he grew, he would have grown in increments of inches. More likely that if he grew at all, it would only be measured in small fractions of an inch. At 19 you're not likely to be hitting a dramatic growth spurt.


Durant turned 19 in September of 2007. The combine was held June 5th.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2590828/the-wire-snoop-o.gif

[MASH Transit]

Are you people letting this shit escape you? I'm talking about the argument that it's stupid to listen to players/teammates because of their subjective opinion based on no evidence while simultaneously holding the opinion that "well, most people don't grow past 18" as a reason against Durant being 6'10. You cannot dismiss one as stupid while pretending like the other isn't. Just stop. :oldlol:


Being personally 6'9, and Durant being taller in contrast, is no proof that Durant is taller than 6'9?


Take you're stupid asses to sleep. All of you.

[Deuce Bigalow]

0.00000000 rings

[moe94]

Being personally 6'9, and Durant being taller in contrast, is no proof that Durant is taller than 6'9?
.

I was agreeing with you. :coleman:


Durant was never in the same stratosphere as Kobe when it comes to scoring. Kobe is the most prolific and dangerous scorer in the post Jordan era. Durant is a ref product

Durant FTA: 8.2, career season high: 10.2

Kobe FTA: 7.6, career season high: 10.2

playoffs Durant: 9.2, career playoffs high: 10.3

playoffs Kobe FTA: 7.4, career playoffs high: 9.4

Durant's playoffs while likely dip, too.

[O_City_Thunder]

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7739/whatc.jpg http://www.basketballheaven.com/blog/images/2010/09/kevin-durant-real-height.jpg http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2489/durantd.jpg

Durant is definitely taller than 6'9
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0726/ny_e_kobe_durant_melo_chandler_b1_300.jpg

[STATUTORY]

I was agreeing with you. :coleman:



Durant FTA: 8.2, career season high: 10.2

Kobe FTA: 7.6, career season high: 10.2

playoffs Durant: 9.2, career playoffs high: 10.3

playoffs Kobe FTA: 7.4, career playoffs high: 9.4

Durant's playoffs while likely dip, too.

if you watched Kobe's 35ppg season, you wouldn't even be humoring this discussion of who the better scorer is.

[Brizzly]

I was agreeing with you. :coleman:



Durant FTA: 8.2, career season high: 10.2

Kobe FTA: 7.6, career season high: 10.2

playoffs Durant: 9.2, career playoffs high: 10.3

playoffs Kobe FTA: 7.4, career playoffs high: 9.4

Durant's playoffs while likely dip, too.

Kobe free throw rate .389
KD free throw rate .434

Durant FTR this and last year .515

[moe94]

if you watched Kobe's 35ppg season, you wouldn't even be humoring this discussion of who the better scorer is.

Sure, but you sold Durant really short and you know it. You can like Kobe without saying asinine junk, you know. Cool argument, though.

[MASH Transit]

I was agreeing with you. :coleman:



Durant FTA: 8.2, career season high: 10.2

Kobe FTA: 7.6, career season high: 10.2

playoffs Durant: 9.2, career playoffs high: 10.3

playoffs Kobe FTA: 7.4, career playoffs high: 9.4

Durant's playoffs while likely dip, too.


Apologies, assumed your were another poster and only skimmed the post.

[moe94]

Kobe free throw rate .389
KD free throw rate .434

Durant FTR this and last year .515

That's cool.

You want to look at TS%, too or does that not fit your agenda? :rolleyes:

[Brizzly]

That's cool.

You want to look at TS%, too or does that not fit your agenda? :rolleyes:

what does TS% have to do with your post about free throws?

[moe94]

what does TS% have to do with your post about free throws?

Point is, saying Kobe is better because Durant gets more freethrows is stupid and the disparity is hardly big. What about TS%? The argument is scoring. Stop being obtuse.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm starting to think yes.

[BlackVVaves]

Although I'm not entirely sure pauk hasn't reverted to his troll-esque habits with this thread, it's actually a worthwhile debate if JUST measuring skill and output.

It depends though. Kobe peaked defensively earlier in his career. He peaked offensively years later. Weird but, it happened. Now, while I think offensively KD right now may be as good or better than peak Kobe offensively (in terms of production)....KD is not the defender Kobe was when he peaked in 2000, 2001, 2002. Hell, many recognized Kobe in 2001 as one of the top 3-5 perimeter defenders in the league. Would you attribute KD with that title right now?

Also, as good as he is a ball-handler for his size, Kobe was still a better ball-handler and able to break the defense down in one on one situations better than KD. Of course, KD's range and length helps to compensate for that. He can effectively pull up and score from anywhere once you pass half court.

Idk....it does feel oddly blasphemous for basketball enthusiasts to say KD is better than Kobe ever was. I think people have spent so many years trying to balance out the amount of overrated-ness Kobe has received over the years by underrating/criticizing him that we have really begun to undervalue Bryant. He may have been playing aside Shaq, but that 2001 run was still one of the better runs a guard has had on a championship team. And then there's 2009. And 2008 was pretty impressive too, until he met that Celtics defense.

Haven't seen KD really dominate like that in the post-season yet, particularly en route to a ring. So idk, even though we are exclusively talking per 48, what's the point if it doesn't result in a chip? The two aren't deeply connected, but they are somewhat correlated, no?

It's definitely a conversation though. But it's kind of irrelevant right now; the better question is, is he having a better season per 48 than LeBron? That one is for you pauk, oh-fearless-and-outspoken-leader-of-the-LeBron-fanboy-brigade :lol

[moe94]

Idk....it does feel oddly blasphemous for basketball enthusiasts to say KD is better than Kobe ever was.l

Why's this?

Is peak Kobe, offensively, better than peak T-Mac or is there a legit debate that can go either way? If it's the latter, why can't Durant join their ranks? I'm talking purely offensively, as Kobe is definitely a better overall player than either.

[MASH Transit]

Why's this?

Is peak Kobe, offensively, better than peak T-Mac or is there a legit debate that can go either way? If it's the latter, why can't Durant join their ranks? I'm talking purely offensively, as Kobe is definitely a better overall player than either.


Kobe isn't a better all around player than Durant.

[moe94]

Kobe isn't a better all around player than Durant.

30/7/6/2.2stls with great defense > any Durant year

[BlackVVaves]

Why's this?

Is peak Kobe, offensively, better than peak T-Mac or is there a legit debate that can go either way? If it's the latter, why can't Durant join their ranks? I'm talking purely offensively, as Kobe is definitely a better overall player than either.

I suppose because it seems premature? But you have a point, and I agree, I think offensively this and last year, in terms of production, KD is every good Kobe ever was, if not better.

I do think peak Kobe was more skilled than KD though. But production wise? As good if not better.

[moe94]

I do think peak Kobe was more skilled than KD though. But production wise? As good if not better.

Yeah, that's what a lot of Kobe fans cannot get over and was part of the reason they, to this day, will not hear that LeBron is a better player. There is a difference between skills/moves/instincts/aesthetics and actual production. Kobe has a case for most skilled player of all time, but that has nothing to do with how he produces on the court. For instance, Duncan was clearly more skilled than Shaq during their primes, but Shaq's production was unparalleled. People need to separate the two ideas as they're not entirely synonymous.

[BlackVVaves]

Yeah, that's what a lot of Kobe fans cannot get over and was part of the reason they, to this day, will not hear that LeBron is a better player. There is a difference between skills/moves/instincts/aesthetics and actual production. Kobe has a case for most skilled player of all time, but that has nothing to do with how he produces on the court. For instance, Duncan was clearly more skilled than Shaq during their primes, but Shaq's production was unparalleled. People need to separate the two ideas as they're not entirely synonymous.

I agree X 1000000%, and it's why you'll usually see me specifically insert the word "production" when comparing players. Just to be clear that I'm measuring their output on the court, not their skill-set. Sometimes both mirror each other (like when saying Jordan was the GOAT, his production was as tremendous as his skill-set, so the differentiation isn't needed) but like you pointed out with Shaq and Duncan, that's not always the case.

Ultimately though, it's about how you produce on the floor, how you impact the game, and how that translates to wins and championships. For me personally, that's the metric I use when assessing players.

[Quizno]

durant is amazing and is gonna go down as an all-time great and hopefully win a few chips before all is said and done, but it's crazy how fast you people forget. you either forget or you weren't following basketball during kobe's prime, but he was putting up 50+ pretty routinely. this thread is obviously a kneejerk reaction after KD's amazing game, but i honestly can't imagine what this forum would be like if prime kobe was around putting up multiple 50+ point games every season

[Vienceslav]

Too funny.:lol

[branslowski]

Kobe isn't a better all around player than Durant.

Spoken like someone who didn't watch 02' Kobe before the handchecking rules: 30-7-6 2stl, all round offensive and defensive monster. Kids these days.:oldlol:

Anyway, we all know Durant isn't better than Kobe ever was, but this season, Durant's been better than LeBron for sure.

[MASH Transit]

Spoken like someone who didn't watch 02' Kobe before the handchecking rules: 30-7-6 2stl, all round offensive and defensive monster. Kids these days.:oldlol:

Anyway, we all know Durant isn't better than Kobe ever was, but this season, Durant's been better than LeBron for sure.

Kobe put up 25/6/6/54ts% in 01-02.

Durant is averaging 29/8/5 on 50/42/88/63ts%, following a season he put 51/42/91/65ts%. He is his teams leader and first option, its offensive anchor, and its best perimeter defender. He's a better all around player than Kobe.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kobe put up 25/6/6/54ts% in 01-02.

Durant is averaging 29/8/5 on 50/42/88/63ts%, following a season he put 51/42/91/65ts%. He is his teams leader and first option, its offensive anchor, and its best perimeter defender. He's a better all around player than Kobe.
KD better perimeter defender than Thabo?:confusedshrug:

[K Xerxes]

Have to laugh at KD being OKC's 'best perimeter defender'. :lol

Anyway, this question is being asked too early. Peak Kobe is better than current Durant, although if Durant keeps on improving like he has done these past few seasons, he will make the debate very interesting in a couple of years. I can certainly see it happening.

[avonbarksdale]

He's not 6-11, he's the exact same height without shoes as this guy:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GSBGd23gPws/S3eFlL_DfhI/AAAAAAAAAZY/eZU2gug-TgU/S692/6a00d4141cd5f8685e0110180636fd860f-500pi.jpg


A Draftexpress confirmed 6-9 without shoes on for Kevin Durant, and a 1992 Olympics confirmed 6-9 without shoes for Larry Bird. Point being, I don't think he handles the ball any better than Bird.


this is so irrelevent to this thread why did you even post this

[MASH Transit]

KD better perimeter defender than Thabo?:confusedshrug:

Yes, easily. Dude plays 25 minutes a night, whose holding the perimeter down for the other 23 minutes?

[MASH Transit]

Have to laugh at KD being OKC's 'best perimeter defender'. :lol

Anyway, this question is being asked too early. Peak Kobe is better than current Durant, although if Durant keeps on improving like he has done these past few seasons, he will make the debate very interesting in a couple of years. I can certainly see it happening.

Na, you just talking. Take that bullshit one somewhere.

[branslowski]

Kobe put up 25/6/6/54ts% in 01-02.

Durant is averaging 29/8/5 on 50/42/88/63ts%, following a season he put 51/42/91/65ts%. He is his teams leader and first option, its offensive anchor, and its best perimeter defender. He's a better all around player than Kobe.

I meant 02'-03'....So check again, and then proceed your trolling.

[Dragonyeuw]

I'd like to see how much Durant is capable of scoring if he went into gunner mode for a few games. He and Lebron are both capable of greater offensive outpoint but they're too keenly aware of their percentages to shoot without conscience. I do think Durant is going to get a 60+ game very soon though, especially with Westbrook out.

[BlackVVaves]

durant is amazing and is gonna go down as an all-time great and hopefully win a few chips before all is said and done, but it's crazy how fast you people forget. you either forget or you weren't following basketball during kobe's prime, but he was putting up 50+ pretty routinely. this thread is obviously a kneejerk reaction after KD's amazing game, but i honestly can't imagine what this forum would be like if prime kobe was around putting up multiple 50+ point games every season

This forum was around when Kobe was doing that, and as someone who was around back then, I can tell you that the Kobetards shoved down our throat that Kobe is better than Jordan, obnoxiously and frequently.

[dunksby]

So a bunch of players who walk around the locker room overbilled and proud of it are answering a journalist with their subjective opinions and you treat this as some sort of empirical evidence against Durant's actual draftexpress camp measurements?


No. I've seen that article before too. This is sad that you would even bring it up as counter evidence against draftexpress :oldlol:
KD's FIBA profile for the London Olympics has him measured at 6'9" (206cm).
http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/65122/sid/6232/tid/379/_/2012_Olympic_Men/index.html

[NumberSix]

No

[Bandito]

This forum was around when Kobe was doing that, and as someone who was around back then, I can tell you that the Kobetards shoved down our throat that Kobe is better than Jordan, obnoxiously and frequently.
They were obnoxious when Kobe was winning championships in 2010 so I can Imagine what you went through...

[madmax]

The funny thing is Durant is 6'10 but with shoes, I dont understand why this always gets argued over.

bingo...dude is 6'10 with shoes ON and 6'9 barefeet. Why are some retarded fanboys so fascinated with him being taller than a 7 store building anyway?:lol

[CavaliersFTW]

KD's FIBA profile for the London Olympics has him measured at 6'9" (206cm).
http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/65122/sid/6232/tid/379/_/2012_Olympic_Men/index.html
:applause:

So draftexpress and FIBA both measured KD at 6-9 (biological height, not in shoes).



'b-b-b-but lockerroom gossip by a bunch of prideful self-conscious jocks who love boasting about their height overrules that because....'

:oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

bingo...dude is 6'10 with shoes ON and 6'9 barefeet. Why are some retarded fanboys so fascinated with him being taller than a 7 store building anyway?:lol
:applause:

Bingo. When I say he is 6-9 I specify w/o shoes. If you look back on my post that started this whole thing I specifically stated that was his w/o shoes height, but it doesn't matter, his fanboys took heavy offense too it and started name calling and posting articles about lockerroom gossip and such. :facepalm

[PickernRoller]

Lets get the pecking order straight with all the clowns gathered up in one thread:

Lebron>Durant.

Kobe>>Lebron.

Thus,

Kobe>>Lebron>Durant.

Nothing and absolutely nothing is going to change that fact - ever. These weak era prima donna's can do whatever the f'ck they want with the sport - that's Stern's legacy for you. There is a reason no sane Legend will ever pick Lebron over Kobe, aside from the usual "debatable" PR on newscasts. There is a difference in hyping the sport, the young stars, so that the fans buy the product on TV and the reality of things.

The game is as weak as it has ever been. People are now starting to realize how much of a fraud Bron is with that STACKED team of his. Dude doesn't even need to show up for games for his team to make it to the Finals. Once the microscope is on KD, he will follow suit. Where's the new "talent" in this league? Kyrie? Davis? Crystal Rose? undrafted Wiggins? LMAO..... You still have old relics from a 10 year old era still posting all-star numbers and schooling these young brats.

Somehow some c0cksuckers say in their farse of a reality that the players that are sh1tting on the image and quality of the sport are better than those who really worked their @ss off and made them? :oldlol: :roll:

[moe94]

There is a reason no sane Legend will ever pick Lebron over Kobe, aside from the usual "debatable" PR on newscasts.

Pippen, Jordan's own teammate, flat out said LeBron was as good as Jordan, forget Kobe. :oldlol:

Spin that one.

[PickernRoller]

Pippen, Jordan's own teammate, flat out said LeBron was as good as Jordan, forget Kobe. :oldlol:

Spin that one.

Pippen also said my d1ck was bigger than Jordan's, forget Lebron. Spin that one for one.

I said sane Legends not on PR newscast. Can't read with your eyes full of Lebron's jizz I see.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Pippen, Jordan's own teammate, flat out said LeBron was as good as Jordan, forget Kobe. :oldlol:

Spin that one.

Don't try arguing with kids :no:

They just resort to personal insults.

[PickernRoller]

Don't try arguing

There is no arguing, since you can make a list of all the Legends picking Kobe over Bron and it wouldn't be fair to count them all :oldlol:

It's just a fact. You could say even a kid would win the argument. It's that lopsided.

[BlackVVaves]

Lets get the pecking order straight with all the clowns gathered up in one thread:

Lebron>Durant.

Kobe>>Lebron.

Thus,

Kobe>>Lebron>Durant.

Nothing and absolutely nothing is going to change that fact - ever. These weak era prima donna's can do whatever the f'ck they want with the sport - that's Stern's legacy for you. There is a reason no sane Legend will ever pick Lebron over Kobe, aside from the usual "debatable" PR on newscasts. There is a difference in hyping the sport, the young stars, so that the fans buy the product on TV and the reality of things.

The game is as weak as it has ever been. People are now starting to realize how much of a fraud Bron is with that STACKED team of his. Dude doesn't even need to show up for games for his team to make it to the Finals. Once the microscope is on KD, he will follow suit. Where's the new "talent" in this league? Kyrie? Davis? Crystal Rose? undrafted Wiggins? LMAO..... You still have old relics from a 10 year old era still posting all-star numbers and schooling these young brats.

Somehow some c0cksuckers say in their farse of a reality that the players that are sh1tting on the image and quality of the sport are better than those who really worked their @ss off and made them? :oldlol: :roll:

:roll:

[Black and White]

Pippen, Jordan's own teammate, flat out said LeBron was as good as Jordan, forget Kobe. :oldlol:

Spin that one.

Wasn't Pippen roasted for this?? Anyway, different legends say different things,

Jordan: Kobe > LeBron

Pippen: LeBron > Jordan (tell me there isn't an agenda here)

Up to you who you decide to believe :confusedshrug:

[BlackVVaves]

If LeBron gets a third ring, a third FMVP, and 5th MVP, all while being statistically superior to Kobe in every major category (28, 7, 7 48% > 26, 5, 5 45%) how the **** would Kobe be better than LeBron All Time :oldlol:

Y'all better hope KD gets that MVP and Paul George gets that ring this year.

[moe94]

Pippen also said my d1ck was bigger than Jordan's, forget Lebron. Spin that one for one.


Kerr said Pippen was packing heat and was clearly bigger than Jordan and this made Jordan upset. It was a thing Pippen will always have over him. :roll:

[indiefan24]

No

[SacJB Shady]

deep inside we all know pauk had a mini meltdown today cause durantula cemented himself as the clear cut mvp, and miami continues to win every game in which bran doesn't play or plays poorly :oldlol:

this thread is elementary trolling, ill give it 3/10 just cause pauks previous work


he's a troll

[Brizzly]

If LeBron gets a third ring, a third FMVP, and 5th MVP, all while being statistically superior to Kobe in every major category (28, 7, 7 48% > 26, 5, 5 45%) how the **** would Kobe be better than LeBron All Time :oldlol:

Y'all better hope KD gets that MVP and Paul George gets that ring this year.

eye test brah, lebron is a statpadder his numbers in the po Always drops off he takes advantage of them shitty eastern teams.

[HOoopCityJones]

Why do people still use MVP's as a reason another player is better than another?

Wasn't it made obvious how fraudulent the award has become the year Rose won over Lebron?

Was Rose Statistically better than Bron in 2011?

I can't wait to hear this.

[branslowski]

Don't try arguing with kids :no:

They just resort to personal insults.

The irony of this post is amazing considering everytime I ether you LeBron cvm guzzling hobos you marks reply with "oh theDruglord blah".:oldlol:

[lebeast666]

Why do people still use MVP's as a reason another player is better than another?

Wasn't it made obvious how fraudulent the award has become the year Rose won over Lebron?

Was Rose Statistically better than Bron in 2011?

I can't wait to hear this.

LeBron was hated on by everyone that year after The Decision. He was the villain. So they gave it to the good guy, DRose.

[Jameerthefear]

Yes.

[PsychoBe]

no. not even close.

[HOoopCityJones]

LeBron was hated on by everyone that year after The Decision. He was the villain. So they gave it to the good guy, DRose.

Yea, because it's become a media generated popularity contest. If the media doesn't sniff your jock after every game or have a shrine dedicated to you in their house, you just ain't MVP material.

[plowking]

The answer is yes for me. Add in the fact that hes a huge mismatch any time he steps on the court, and its a more reaffirmed yes.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

The irony of this post is amazing considering everytime I ether you LeBron cvm guzzling hobos you marks reply with "oh theDruglord blah".:oldlol:

Perfect example right here.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Yea, because it's become a media generated popularity contest. If the media doesn't sniff your jock after every game or have a shrine dedicated to you in their house, you just ain't MVP material.

In the past decade, which MVP awards have you disagreed with?

[indiefan24]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeW8pMNCcAAs9FL.png

[Lebron23]

Not yet. He needs to win an MVP, and Finals MVP. But Durant is having a great season.

[Cangri]

lol @ people acting like Durant isn't event remotely close, Durant is already one of the best scorers ever, and he's still young.

[secund2nun]

Durant is much better than Fraudbe ever was.

[riseagainst]

Durant isn't already better than prime Kobe and he looks like he might become that. But he's definitively the best player right now and it's not even close.

[dannywpt]

Not yet. He needs to win an MVP, and Finals MVP. But Durant is having a great season.

Was LeBron better than Kobe ever was at any time before july 2012?

[TheMarkMadsen]

bump