Celtics/Grizz working on deal for Bayless/Lee

[D-Rose]

Stein:

Boston Celtics, I'm told, are in advanced discussions on a trade to acquire Jerryd Bayles from Memphis in a deal involving Courtney Lee

[ProfessorMurder]

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[Fudge]

Lightskin for lightskin. Both really good looking. I approve.

[D-Rose]

eet's done.


‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m
Trade call on Boston's looming acquisition of Jerryd Bayless for Courtney Lee, I'm told, is being scheduled for Monday. Deal is happening

[HylianNightmare]

seems like a wash

[D-Rose]

Not sure what other pieces are in deal yet...but Bayless is an expirer this year while Lee has 2 years left after this season at about 5 mill/yr.

Salary move by Boston.

[BallsOut]

Good trade for Celtics. Not sure how much of an upgarde Courtney Lee is over Jerryd Bayless coming off the bench for the Grizzlies though.

[el gringos]

Good trade for Celtics. Not sure how much of an upgarde Courtney Lee is over Jerryd Bayless coming off the bench for the Grizzlies though.he's not


Why does Memphis want such outright losses in trades. This and the wroten both are deals that make you wonder.

[BallsOut]

he's not


Why does Memphis want such outright losses in trades. This and the wroten both are deals that make you wonder.

Not to mention the Rudy Gay for Prince deal. Hasn't exactly worked out for them. Losing Collins was a big hit too.

[Black and White]

Good deal Celts, helps with the cap, wonder if we are going to try get rid of another contract at all.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Sensible for the Celtics, save money this year and the next 2. Another expiring if we want to make a big deal. Lee's probably the better player but it absolutely makes sense. Arguably no space for Lee once Rondo comes back either.

Which makes me think... What's in this for the Grizzlies?

[EricGordon23]

Why would the grizz do this it makes no sense. Bayless is a much better player for there system.

[D-Rose]

I bet Hollinger is behind this with his PER stats and such :coleman:

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Apparently Prince is injured? So I guess there's that, but Lee's contract is not good.

[salwan]

lets see what are the other pieces in this deal, but I approve :applause:

[andremiller07]

Apparently Prince is injured? So I guess there's that, but Lee's contract is not good.
Which is why they have both James Johnson and Mike Miller, not sure why the Grizz do this.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Which is why they have both James Johnson and Mike Miller, not sure why the Grizz do this.

If you play Miller more than 20 minutes a night he's breaking down. And James Johnson? I heard he's doing alright but he's nothing amazing. Who plays at the 2 for Memphis? Pondexter's injured, right? So it's basicaly just Tony Allen, and he really can't shoot.

I don't know why I just said all that, I still think it's a horrible trade for Memphis

[ballup]

Remember, deals aren't done until they are finalized.

Aww. Grizzlies can't deal their 2014 first round pick.

[b1imtf]

Good. Lee wasn't as good as we expected and we get to clear space for next year

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Remember, deals aren't done until they are finalized.

Aww. Grizzlies can't deal their 2014 first round pick.

Like they were going to include it :oldlol: although I'd be fine with us trading Crawford for their 1st as well if they were insisting on it

[ballup]

Like they were going to include it :oldlol: although I'd be fine with us trading Crawford for their 1st as well if they were insisting on it
Hey, might as make a one sided deal as ridiculous as possible. :confusedshrug:

[chosen_one6]

Apparently Lee isn't playing tonight. Sounds like the deal is pretty close.

[jdm_dc_fan]

Danny is on a roll this year.

[zac]

ITT: people acting like they know the Grizzlies team without watching them at all.

I am fully on board with this trade. I even like Bayless a lot but he has been awful this year up until the last 4-5 games, excluding when he's played against the Celtics haha. Both need a change of scenery and have both been pursued by each team in the past. It makes sense for both teams and the Grizzlies have like $10mil in trade exceptions from last year.

[longtime lurker]

I bet Hollinger is behind this with his PER stats and such :coleman:

Lol this. This trade is so pointless for the Grizzlies. But Hollinger saw some advanced stats on Lee and jizzed in his pants

[TheMarkMadsen]

makes no sense for the Griz, Lee isn't worth his contract

[steve]

Lol this. This trade is so pointless for the Grizzlies. But Hollinger saw some advanced stats on Lee and jizzed in his pants

I really don't understand how this trade is pointless for the Grizz. Bayless has not been playing well at all this season, whereas Lee has been a very efficient floor spacer this season (excellent shooting numbers and isn't turning the ball over), which is something the Grizz have been lacking for a good long while. Bayless on the other hand theoretically has value as a scorer off the bench, but he's certainly not doing that this season. He isn't really scoring, his shooting has been atrocious and he's turning the ball over at a rate that he doesn't make up in any other way. Why again do the majority of people think the Celtics win this trade when it's essentially just a salary dump by them (and dumping a salary of a player who's playing well for them this season).

[Real Men Wear Green]

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Basically.

[wally_world]

So the Griz want to trade away their only player who can create for themselves on the perimeter for another defensive specialist?

[andremiller07]

So the Griz want to trade away their only player who can create for themselves on the perimeter for another defensive specialist?
Maybe they might just tank and try land one of the stud SF's to pair with Conley/Z-Bo/MGasol/Ed Davis and a healthy Pondexter next season honestly it's there best chance they ain't going to win anything with the current roster without a super rookie.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Basically.

I mean, Bayless is a better PG than Pressey and both he and Crawford can play off the ball so rolling with a 3 guard rotation is fine, Bogans isn't much of a downgrade on Lee compared to the upgrade with Bayless over Pressey. In a vacuum we got better, and financially it'd make sense even if we were getting back someone who wouldn't get minutes... I love the trade as long as it's straight up

[wally_world]

Maybe they might just tank and try land one of the stud SF's to pair with Conley/Z-Bo/MGasol/Ed Davis and a healthy Pondexter next season honestly it's there best chance they ain't going to win anything with the current roster without a super rookie.

And take on Lee's contract? :confusedshrug:

If they're really intending to tank with this move they should move Bayless for another expirer

[Mr. NBA]

Bayless has been absolutely terrible this year. Lee is clearly a better player. Watch both teams about every game. Bayless sucks as a PG. He isnt instant offense. He cant play defense wihout fouling. He is not a good scorer despite being labeled that way. Pressey is more dynamic and needs to be developed, not sit behind Bayless.

Lee for the Grizzlies improves them. Their backcourt is under sized and now has athleticism with addition of James Johnson and now Lee. Gasol is comin back soon, so i assume this is the start of a playoff push.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I mean, Bayless is a better PG than Pressey and both he and Crawford can play off the ball so rolling with a 3 guard rotation is fine, Bogans isn't much of a downgrade on Lee compared to the upgrade with Bayless over Pressey. In a vacuum we got better, and financially it'd make sense even if we were getting back someone who wouldn't get minutes... I love the trade as long as it's straight up
A back-up was just traded for a back-up. The team is 13-21. If Ainge is really trying to turn the season around he's not just targeting a guy that averages 8 points on 37%. But if Ainge is looking to cut payroll then yeah, he's deal a contract with two years remaining for an expirer. This deal has nothing to do with trying to make a better team this season.

[hawkfan]

This deal clears out even more cap space for the Celtics.
If the Celtics can move one more small contract, then they will have enough cap space to make a run at Carmelo Anthony.

So next year the Celtics could have Anthony-Rondo-Green and whoever they draft in the first round, plus the other young players they have on their roster.

[Thorpesaurous]

I think both of these guys bring something to the table. They're both rotational assets.

I think fit wise the Celtics get the worst of it. Especially since they seem to want to continue to cultivate Crawford as this type of PG, who's long term would look a little like what Bayless is.

Lee isn't quite as physical as I envision the prototype grindhouse wing, but Memphis has been in need of perimeter shooting to surround their double post attack for some time, and Lee probably gives them the closest they've had to a guy who can bring both the perimeter defense, and the floor spacing on the other end, of any of the complimentary pieces they've had.

And while they're picking up an extra year of salary, 5 Mil for a 3 and D type guy who can play in your rotation is not a horrible price.

Ainge may be looking at Bayless most as a salary piece he can use should he try to make a move for a bigger piece down the road.

[ballup]

So who do you guys think will end up the happiest from this trade anf who gets depressed?

[salwan]

Bayless is an expiring contract I don't think the celtics are resigning if they trade for him.

It's clearly a salary shredding move.

Now find a way to move wallace's contact Danny! :bowdown:

[Crown&Coke]

I am a bit perplexed by Memphis' part of the trade.

They moved Wroten I thought for cap reasons without giving him a solid look. Then they are going to add Lee.

I thought "nobody" wanted any part of Lee earlier this season as well?

And Bayless was playing a bulk of the backup PG minutes for Memphis, I guess they really like Calathes for that spot

[zac]

I am a bit perplexed by Memphis' part of the trade.

They moved Wroten I thought for cap reasons without giving him a solid look. Then they are going to add Lee.

I thought "nobody" wanted any part of Lee earlier this season as well?

And Bayless was playing a bulk of the backup PG minutes for Memphis, I guess they really like Calathes for that spot
Wroten wasn't moved for cap space, he was just moved because they really were high on Calathes and thought he'd be a PG that could come in after playing overseas. It's the only move I didn't like that this FO has made.

Calathes is the back up PG right now but who knows, there might be another trade in the works, but I do know the Grizzlies like Calathes enough to not give up on him yet. Also, Stu Lash and Jason Levien were both connected to Courtney Lee in the past, through being an agent or whatever so they are familiar with him and like what he brings to the table. Calathes is a set up PG so having a guy like Lee spotting up or running the break will be great. If the Grizzlies were wanting to tank (like someone said above) they wouldn't have traded for Lee. This move means they are still serious about competing this year and next.

[Shade8780]

I like this deal. We're getting an expiring contract for a long-term contract guy that we dont need.

[Scal]

I can see why the Celts make this move - purely a financial one , as I don't imagine them bringing back Bayless at seasons end - but it is a risky move for the Grizz if for no other reason other than Lee is not a shot creator (particularly in that 2nd unit) that Bayless is (despite his rather poor play thus far).

Lee does give them some shooting though which the Grizz sorely lack (were they not the worst 3pt shooting team last season? That explains bringing Miller in as well, though his health is always a concern).

Getting Gasol back should do wonders, and the Grizz 2nd unit is passable with Leuer and Davis starting to find their roles, along with Lee, Koufos and Miller.

Both teams would be getting what they want out of this.

[zac]

I can see why the Celts make this move - purely a financial one , as I don't imagine them bringing back Bayless at seasons end - but it is a risky move for the Grizz if for no other reason other than Lee is not a shot creator (particularly in that 2nd unit) that Bayless is (despite his rather poor play thus far).

Lee does give them some shooting though which the Grizz sorely lack (were they not the worst 3pt shooting team last season? That explains bringing Miller in as well, though his health is always a concern).

Getting Gasol back should do wonders, and the Grizz 2nd unit is passable with Leuer and Davis starting to find their roles, along with Lee, Koufos and Miller.

Both teams would be getting what they want out of this.

Exactly. One of the Grizzlies beat writers explained it best by saying the Grizz feel like Lee is the best type of player they could get here for their MLE so instead of trying to spend all summer persuading someone to come here for that money, they just made this trade for a guy that fits that role.

[gts]

Marc Stein reporting the Thunder could also be involved sending Ryan Gomes to the Celtics with the Celtics planning to waive Gomes

[Derka]

Cap flexibility and Lee never really excited me.

[Wavves]

OKC will somehow be involved in the trade. Ryan Gomes will move to another team.

[Wavves]

The Boston Celtics' trade to acquire Jarryd Bayless from the Memphis Grizzlies now includes a third team, ESPN's Marc Stein reported Monday.

According to Stein, the Oklahoma City Thunder will send Ryan Gomes to Boston, with the Celtics expected to waive Gomes.


The Grizzlies will receive Courtney Lee and a second-round pick, likely from 2016.

[Scal]

Exactly. One of the Grizzlies beat writers explained it best by saying the Grizz feel like Lee is the best type of player they could get here for their MLE so instead of trying to spend all summer persuading someone to come here for that money, they just made this trade for a guy that fits that role.

Well, it is always easier to trade for the right piece as at the very least you know the asking price and don't get into a bidding war with more cap-flexible teams (that tend to overspend).

Also, if the OKC Thunder are involved, where does that have Bayless ending up? Beantown or OKC? I don't know if OKC have any real use for him as they already have Reggie Jackson who is a similar type of player (more a 2G, not the best 3pt shooter, and not a true PG).