View Full Version : Should Phoenix make a move for Melo?
TheMarkMadsen
01-06-2014, 02:19 PM
Package some picks & Emeka and grab yourself a proven scorer for the eventuall playoffs?
What does Phoenix have to lose?
Quizno
01-06-2014, 02:20 PM
Package some picks & Emeka and grab yourself a proven scorer for the eventuall playoffs?
What does Phoenix have to lose?
their winning record
RoundMoundOfReb
01-06-2014, 02:21 PM
Why would NYK do that? Also doubt Melo wants to be in PHX.
intrinsic
01-06-2014, 02:24 PM
What does Phoenix have to lose?
Everything.
Does Melo joining the team in midseason transform them into championship contenders?
Does Melo stay past this summer?
No. He's the antithesis of all they've tried to accomplish in this rebuild.
TheMarkMadsen
01-06-2014, 02:25 PM
Why would NYK do that? Also doubt Melo wants to be in PHX.
NYK does it to rebuild, grabs some picks in the process and doesn't lose Melo for nothing.
And I'm sure Melo would rather be on a playoff team this year than a lottery boun NYK team that he plans on leaving in the off season
Dagouch
01-06-2014, 02:27 PM
I don't see him joining Phoenix or even the Lakers.
He either Stays with NY on the provision they are able to upgrade the roster (2015) or he asks for a Trade to the Clippers or Bulls if the rumors are to be believed.
RoundMoundOfReb
01-06-2014, 02:28 PM
NYK does it to rebuild, grabs some picks in the process and doesn't lose Melo for nothing.
And I'm sure Melo would rather be on a playoff team this year than a lottery boun NYK team that he plans on leaving in the off season
Melo wants a big market.
TheMarkMadsen
01-06-2014, 02:28 PM
No. He's the antithesis of all they've tried to accomplish in this rebuild.
Yeah but at some point you'll need an offensive star to be successful in the playoffs.
Melo provides that & is a proven winner who has consistently led teams to the playoffs since his rookie year.
Dragic Bledsoe & Melo would be a nice trio
TheMarkMadsen
01-06-2014, 02:31 PM
Melo wants a big market.
This isn't about what Melo wants.
This would be about Phoenix trying to make a legit push in the playoffs.
RoundMoundOfReb
01-06-2014, 02:32 PM
This isn't about what Melo wants.
This would be about Phoenix trying to make a legit push in the playoffs.
Why would they mortgage the future for half a season of Melo? He'll just opt out go to Chicago or LA C/L
TheMarkMadsen
01-06-2014, 02:42 PM
Why would they mortgage the future for half a season of Melo? He'll just opt out go to Chicago or LA C/L
How would they be mortgaging their future by trading one or two picks and a guy who isn't playing this year
Bledsoe is their future. Not a late pick or two
How would they be mortgaging their future by trading one or two picks and a guy who isn't playing this year
Bledsoe is their future. Not a late pick or two
So we are trading Melo and taking on Okafor for one crappy late pick? The Knicks do this why?
RoundMoundOfReb
01-06-2014, 02:44 PM
How would they be mortgaging their future by trading one or two picks and a guy who isn't playing this year
Bledsoe is their future. Not a late pick or two
Why on earth would the Knicks take such a bad package? They could easily get more for Melo.
ABfor3
01-06-2014, 02:45 PM
Bringing Melo to the Suns would change their whole style of play, Melo isn't cut out for running up and down the court throughout the whole game..he's a half court type player. With Melo you would take away Bledsoe and Dragics best skill and that's pushing the ball down the court for easy fast break points.
Thorpesaurous
01-06-2014, 02:48 PM
This sounds like the direction Phx would like to head right now, although not specifically for Melo, but some other attainable top tier guy in exchange for a bunch of assets, ala the Rockets deal for Harden.
If I were them I'd try to sell Love on sticking around there in exchange for maybe their three least desirable first rounders, or perhaps their a combo of their most and least desirable.
I'd also be curious if they'd be able to snatch Deng from the Bulls for one of those pick and Okafor's expirer should they decide to throw in the towel, because it sounds like Deng has little interest in coming back there. And even if the Suns couldn't convince him to come back, his Bird Rights may be as valuable as a back end first rounder.
And for what it's worth, it seems like most athletes like Phx. Good training staff. Tax friendly. Great weather. Ownership seems iffy, but if they're building a winner as they are at the moment, they're probably look past that. And now they're playing a very player friendly scheme under a coach who was a hell of a player in the recent past himself.
To me it'd be worth rolling the dice to see if you could convince someone to stay.
And Aldridge woulda been the perfect fit had Portland not surprisingly fit together so well.
Yeah but at some point you'll need an offensive star to be successful in the playoffs.
Melo provides that & is a proven winner who has consistently led teams to the playoffs since his rookie year.
Dragic Bledsoe & Melo would be a nice trio
The franchise has committed itself to finding the right guys, not just the right players. They spent years handcuffed by their allegiance to Nash, and discovered the ereror of their ways with me-first guys like Amare and Shaq. They are gun shy, and I don't blame them.
Bledsoe is already a FA at the end of the year, so the mix you mention would likely be together for the remainder of the season only. They won't keep both Bledsoe and Dragic, anmd I would expect that if they deal one, it'll be Dragic. No slam on him, but the organization sees more of a future in Bledsoe.
The guy they want is Love, but Minn hasn't budged from their stance that he's not available.
PHX has a chance to really build something, not just make a playoff push this year.
longtime lurker
01-06-2014, 03:16 PM
Melo on the Suns would be a one season rental if there ever was one. I'd suggest that they package their assets for Kevin Love but he's destined to be a Laker :rockon:
highwhey
01-06-2014, 03:17 PM
The franchise has committed itself to finding the right guys, not just the right players. They spent years handcuffed by their allegiance to Nash, and discovered the ereror of their ways with me-first guys like Amare and Shaq. They are gun shy, and I don't blame them.
Bledsoe is already a FA at the end of the year, so the mix you mention would likely be together for the remainder of the season only. They won't keep both Bledsoe and Dragic, anmd I would expect that if they deal one, it'll be Dragic. No slam on him, but the organization sees more of a future in Bledsoe.
The guy they want is Love, but Minn hasn't budged from their stance that he's not available.
PHX has a chance to really build something, not just make a playoff push this year.
good post. but as a suns fan, i do not want melo or klove. kevin matches the teams personality a lot more than melo in terms of hustle and effort but he isn't a great defender and i've seen enough playoff series recently to acknowledge that you need a defensive anchor. Additionaly, love shoots a lot, in phoenix we have a good backcourt and we have frye and green who are our shooters. i think he would change our team dramatically sure, but it wont be enough to win it all and because i've seen our new gm make some great moves, i want us to continue this path and get the right player for our team instead of getting what is available.
i realize we are playing very well and are ranked in a good spot in the west, but i don'T understand the rush to transcend into "win now" mode. call me blind, but i can't see the chemistry between melo or love and the current team.
highwhey
01-06-2014, 03:22 PM
The franchise has committed itself to finding the right guys, not just the right players. They spent years handcuffed by their allegiance to Nash, and discovered the ereror of their ways with me-first guys like Amare and Shaq. They are gun shy, and I don't blame them.
Bledsoe is already a FA at the end of the year, so the mix you mention would likely be together for the remainder of the season only. They won't keep both Bledsoe and Dragic, anmd I would expect that if they deal one, it'll be Dragic. No slam on him, but the organization sees more of a future in Bledsoe.
The guy they want is Love, but Minn hasn't budged from their stance that he's not available.
PHX has a chance to really build something, not just make a playoff push this year.
bledsoe can potentially be the better player in the longterm but i still think our best hopes lie in dragic, he's a well balanced pg. how many teams have a solid pg like dragic? very few, and he comes at a very good price.
Mrofir
01-06-2014, 03:24 PM
As a Suns fan, I categorically oppose trading any of the 4 potential draft picks we have coming up.
Suns have traded away far too many draft picks over the years.
The only scenario where I support trading draft picks, is a 2/1 package for a higher pick. Otherwise, this team is over-performing, fun to watch, and a pleasant surprise. But there is only one player in the league that could transform this team into contender, and that is LBJ, and he is not coming to phoenix*. There is literally no point to trading those picks away.
The league is starving for superstars, and I suspect 1-4 future superstars will come from the next draft. If I'm Suns GM, I resign both Dragic and Bledsoe and pick 3-4 players in 1st round of next year's draft. Why gamble?
*On a complete fantasy note, I would be interested in trying to convince LBJ to come to Phx when his contract is up. Nothing could possibly enhance his legacy more than coming to Phx, a team that would fit his skill set extraordinarily well, and bring the 1st championship to the franchise.
FreezingTsmoove
01-06-2014, 03:24 PM
Wouldn't fit in at all. The last thing PHX needs is a guy who can play 40 mins a night. It is all about depth and good rotation for Phoenix. I have not watched a Suns game this season but I am an absolute beast with them online in 2k14 so I know what I am talking about
NumberSix
01-06-2014, 03:24 PM
Phoenix is playing well. Why would they want Melo to come in and ruin that.
Not a troll post. Seriously. The guy won't add anything positive.
Darius
01-06-2014, 03:30 PM
I think PHX needs to see what they have in the playoffs before making any moves.
TheMarkMadsen
01-06-2014, 03:34 PM
So we are trading Melo and taking on Okafor for one crappy late pick? The Knicks do this why?
Okafor expires after this season..
would you really rather lose Melo for nothing than get a valuable first round pick or two in this years draft?
your team is desperate for a first round pick this year as it is.
Is holding onto Melo for the rest of this season that important? I mean you can miss the playoffs and have no first round picks with him, or you can miss the playoffs and get a few picks out of him..
highwhey
01-06-2014, 03:36 PM
As a Suns fan, I categorically oppose trading any of the 4 potential draft picks we have coming up.
Suns have traded away far too many draft picks over the years.
The only scenario where I support trading draft picks, is a 2/1 package for a higher pick. Otherwise, this team is over-performing, fun to watch, and a pleasant surprise. But there is only one player in the league that could transform this team into contender, and that is LBJ, and he is not coming to phoenix*. There is literally no point to trading those picks away.
The league is starving for superstars, and I suspect 1-4 future superstars will come from the next draft. If I'm Suns GM, I resign both Dragic and Bledsoe and pick 3-4 players in 1st round of next year's draft. Why gamble?
*On a complete fantasy note, I would be interested in trying to convince LBJ to come to Phx when his contract is up. Nothing could possibly enhance his legacy more than coming to Phx, a team that would fit his skill set extraordinarily well, and bring the 1st championship to the franchise.
greg monroe wouldnt be bad to go after ether. he's not a superstar but he's young talent and he wouldn't cost us four picks.
TheMarkMadsen
01-06-2014, 03:40 PM
This sounds like the direction Phx would like to head right now, although not specifically for Melo, but some other attainable top tier guy in exchange for a bunch of assets, ala the Rockets deal for Harden.
If I were them I'd try to sell Love on sticking around there in exchange for maybe their three least desirable first rounders, or perhaps their a combo of their most and least desirable.
I'd also be curious if they'd be able to snatch Deng from the Bulls for one of those pick and Okafor's expirer should they decide to throw in the towel, because it sounds like Deng has little interest in coming back there. And even if the Suns couldn't convince him to come back, his Bird Rights may be as valuable as a back end first rounder.
And for what it's worth, it seems like most athletes like Phx. Good training staff. Tax friendly. Great weather. Ownership seems iffy, but if they're building a winner as they are at the moment, they're probably look past that. And now they're playing a very player friendly scheme under a coach who was a hell of a player in the recent past himself.
To me it'd be worth rolling the dice to see if you could convince someone to stay.
And Aldridge woulda been the perfect fit had Portland not surprisingly fit together so well.
The franchise has committed itself to finding the right guys, not just the right players. They spent years handcuffed by their allegiance to Nash, and discovered the ereror of their ways with me-first guys like Amare and Shaq. They are gun shy, and I don't blame them.
Bledsoe is already a FA at the end of the year, so the mix you mention would likely be together for the remainder of the season only. They won't keep both Bledsoe and Dragic, anmd I would expect that if they deal one, it'll be Dragic. No slam on him, but the organization sees more of a future in Bledsoe.
The guy they want is Love, but Minn hasn't budged from their stance that he's not available.
PHX has a chance to really build something, not just make a playoff push this year.
Love would be a better fit plus he is younger, although I just don't see MIN letting him go..
and there are rumors that Love and the Lakers have mutual interest to make a move down the road. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lakers tank & make an attempt to trade their pick for Love
DMAVS41
01-06-2014, 03:41 PM
Melo is a terrible fit because you'd also have to worry about him signing there.
They should do something though...they simply don't want/need 4 first round picks.
Im so nba'd out
01-06-2014, 03:46 PM
Naw it would fk up the chemistry of the team hope they dont do this.He would make too many people change there game just being on the court they would defer to him and it would *** up the team.Dragic the only person i can see who's game wouldnt be effected too much by playing with melo.
Knicks aren't desperate for anything and Phoenix is in no position of strength. Why would the Knicks call up the Suns and say "please send us any crap you have and here is Melo". For that conversation to even start, the initial offer has to be good. Not Okafor + really high pick.
Three dead bodies from the Celtics got a pile of picks but Melo gets one crappy pick and an expirer just like himself. No thanks.
Patrick Chewing
01-06-2014, 04:56 PM
Trading Melo to Phoenix is like trading him back to New York. Melo needs to join a team that's ready to win it all. Both L.A. teams make sense and a couple darkhorse teams like San Antonio and Dallas make sense too.
I<3NBA
01-06-2014, 05:03 PM
only if they like losing.
Suckafree
01-06-2014, 05:32 PM
So what are their picks for the upcoming draft going to look like? Mid-late lottery? Late first rounders?
If they could find a way to package some of their assets for a pick in the 5-8 range they could pick up a guy like Gordon or Vonleh. Depending on how Randle's stock pans out over the next few months they could even have a shot at him (Although I doubt it). Thats three big time prospects the suns could possibly have a shot at. For that reason I think they should just play out this season and hold on to their assets and probably let Okafor expire so they can resign Bledsoe/Dragic.
WhySoInsecure?
01-06-2014, 05:38 PM
only if they like losing.
Fun fact, Melo has never missed the playoffs.
hawkfan
01-06-2014, 06:02 PM
Luol Deng will be a free agent.
They can make him an offer of say 4 years, 48 million.
He'd be a good fit, and that isn't a cap crushing contract for his caliber of talent.
NumberSix
01-06-2014, 06:08 PM
Fun fact, Melo has never missed the playoffs.
Fun fact, he's won less series in 10 years than LeBron won last year alone.
Jameerthefear
01-06-2014, 06:12 PM
why would they do this? he probably won't resign too.
Fun fact, he's won less series in 10 years than LeBron won last year alone.
He's not Lebron. What you said is something only someone who is so in love with Lebron that they have not appreciation for any other players would say. You attached yourself to the best player so you could rep and act like a big shot on a message board, not because you like basketball in general. Nice. :lol Do you have the poster and the sneakers too? Did you wait until after the decision to get your Lebron gear or did you just buy a Nike shirt to hedge?
Only Lebron is Lebron. Should all the other teams stop making moves? Should everyone else stop playing? Don't be such a douche.
If I'm PHX then no, I'm not blowing up what I've got and limiting roster flexibilty. The Suns have no problems scoring with who they have, so why do they need Anthony? They are still in the hunt for the playoffs and their young guys have room for improvement as well, not to mention cap flexibility.
blackification
01-06-2014, 08:15 PM
I'd rather get Young from the 76ers **** carmelo
bluechox2
01-06-2014, 08:35 PM
clips can offer min blake, yet you throw out an emeka?
phoenix would have to throw it one of bledsoe or dragic
DMAVS41
01-06-2014, 08:48 PM
Fun fact, Melo has never missed the playoffs.
So what? Melo is good. In fact, really good.
He's just not a true championship first option. You wouldn't trade a lot for him.
Melo is hard because he can't be the best player on a title team based on all the evidence...and yet it's in a first option role that suits him best. Melo needs like 2009 Howard (clearly better than any version of Melo) to be paired with.
Unfortunately there aren't that many options, if any, like that out there.
A guy like Luol Deng would be a great fit for the Suns in my opinion. They could get him with a pick or two now...and then sign him on a good deal for the next 3 or 4 years. Dragic, Bledsoe, Deng...love that fit. A 40 plus minute all around player like Deng that doesn't need the ball or have plays run for him to be impactful...perfect.
Melo? Nah...he's the exact opposite and would kill chemistry.
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