TRADE: Cavs trade Andrew Bynum, picks to Bulls for Luol Deng

[SilkkTheShocker]

How bad did the Lakers get owned?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Black and White]

How bad did the Lakers get owned?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

How did they get owned? They can still move Pau for a better deal at the deadline :confusedshrug:

[DukeDelonte13]

explain how it blew up in their face?

nobody knows what actually gets offered or not in these trade discussions, nobody even really knows if the lakers and cavs were even seriously involved in talks.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Deng will get a big contract this year, say 4 years, 56 million.
The Cavs have no choice, since they gave up so much to get him.

lol is this for real? 2 second rounders and protected first rounder is a lot for someone that has been an all-star the last two seasons?

[DukeDelonte13]

How did they get owned? They can still move Pau for a better deal at the deadline :confusedshrug:


Talent wise maybe money wise no way.

[DukeDelonte13]

lol is this for real? 2 second rounders and protected first rounder is a lot for someone that has been an all-star the last two seasons?

that sac pic will never convey as a first.

[Black and White]

Talent wise maybe money wise no way.

Agreed, but they just waived Williams to save them some money, I think they should look to move Pau for a young piece/picks.

[Twiens]

Talent wise maybe money wise no way.

Pau is expiring...

[NumberSix]

Let's see how awesome this trade is a year from now when Deng is retired and can barley walk anymore.

[Dresta]

it makes sense for both,
deng can help cavs
and bynum can accompany rose to hospital
:roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

I don't know how this can be seen as anything other than a huge get for the Cavs. If you would have told me at the beginning of the season when we weren't even sure if Bynum would play that we would flip his contract for Deng a third of the way through the season, I would have been doing backflips.

Now considering how things fell apart with Drew, for this to happen? Wow.

I said during the Gasol talks that I didn't understand why they were even bothering since we needed a SF and a veteran on the perimeter. Deng fits every criteria of what this team needed.

Scorer, defender, great teammate. Maybe most importantly he has proven that he can be very effective in an offense with a young, talented, high usage PG.

I understand why the Bulls did it too. Cut salary, get some decent assets and go all out for the draft. But, to get an All-Star at our most dire position for an expirer and mediocre picks? Great job by Chris Grant.

We're going from Alonzo Gee and Earl Clark to Deng... should be fun. :rockon:

[kamil]

Aaaaaand its official:

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-waive-center-andrew-bynum.html

Bynum Waived by Chicago. Nobody wants this dunce.

[AirGauge23]

Aaaaaand its official:

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-waive-center-andrew-bynum.html

Bynum Waived by Chicago. Nobody wants this dunce.

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[RedBlackAttack]

Per ESPN Stats & Info:


Cavs upgrade SF position w/ trade. Deng, this season - 19.0 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 45.2 FG%. Cavs' SF, this season - 4.9 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 36.4 FG%.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Bulls made out big. Tank, get Wiggins. Clear cap space. Deng was requesting ridiculous money, again. For a talent that isn't All Star caliber. Now, get rid of Boozer and we're cooking with gas.

[RedBlackAttack]

Bulls made out big. Tank, get Wiggins. Clear cap space. Deng was requesting ridiculous money, again. For a talent that isn't All Star caliber. Now, get rid of Boozer and we're cooking with gas.
Hasn't he been an All-Star for the last couple of seasons?

Like I said, the deal makes sense for both teams. With Rose out, there's no sense in staying in the middle of the pack this year for the Bulls. Go for broke on another high lottery pick in this stacked draft.

For the Cavs, we've been playing the last few seasons with Alonzo Gee as our starting SF. I've been saying all year that the Cavs' biggest issues were no starting caliber SF on the roster, no veteran presence and no outside shooting. Deng knocks two of those issues out of the park.

This deal really does make me wonder why the hell the Cavs were ever even talking to LA about a Gasol deal. This is a far superior move, both in the short-term and the long.

[GOBB]

Bulls made out big. Tank, get Wiggins. Clear cap space. Deng was requesting ridiculous money, again. For a talent that isn't All Star caliber. Now, get rid of Boozer and we're cooking with gas.

Too bad you have a good HC with Thibs. No Wiggins for you.

[Meticode]

I get a bad feeling Deng is going to turn into Antawn Jamison 2.0.

[GOBB]

I get a bad feeling Deng is going to turn into Antawn Jamison 2.0.

Explain

[Meticode]

Explain
His stats don't show it, but it seemed like after he got traded to the Cavs he struggled. Although he shot better from the field, he went from being a 75% freethrow shooter with the Wizards, then after the trade he shot 50% the rest of the season. Just seemed like he declined the rest of his career, but a lot of that is age...but wait, Deng is a similiar age...

[poido123]

Hasn't he been an All-Star for the last couple of seasons?

Like I said, the deal makes sense for both teams. With Rose out, there's no sense in staying in the middle of the pack this year for the Bulls. Go for broke on another high lottery pick in this stacked draft.

For the Cavs, we've been playing the last few seasons with Alonzo Gee as our starting SF. I've been saying all year that the Cavs' biggest issues were no starting caliber SF on the roster, no veteran presence and no outside shooting. Deng knocks two of those issues out of the park.

This deal really does make me wonder why the hell the Cavs were ever even talking to LA about a Gasol deal. This is a far superior move, both in the short-term and the long.

For a young team in need of leadership and toughness, Deng was the perfect fit for the Cavs. Cavs will really enjoy having Deng, he doesn't end up in he news for partying, he seems to be a really good locker room guy and if anything, will bring your team closer together. Especially after all the nonsense happening earlier in the year with Irving and Waiters.

I see a team that will be on the rise after this trade. Deng is very good at knocking down the open jump shot, or slashing to the hole along with very solid defense. Something that will balance this starting lineup and give Irving another weapon to take some of the scoring load.

[Meticode]

Wait, nevermind, I thought Deng was in his early 30s, He's still 28.

[G-train]

The big difference between Deng and Jamison is the mind.
Deng has extreme mental toughness.

[GOBB]

Wait, nevermind, I thought Deng was in his early 30s, He's still 28.

Yeah I think Deng is going to be solid for the Cavs moreso than Jamison just off defense alone. Deng is a good defender. Jamison never has been. He also comes from a place that preached discipline, accountability under coach Thibs. Long term? Unsure what your team thinks about Deng or if they will/can resign him. But for now he fits imo at a position you guys have looked for some stability at. SF. Also gives Mike Brown I think the kind of player he likes.

If Cavs cant win with him then I dont know what it is about your team. :confusedshrug:

[Jameerthefear]

they waived him

[RedBlackAttack]

The big difference between Deng and Jamison is the mind.
Deng has extreme mental toughness.
There are a lot of differences between Jamison and Deng. Luol is only 28. Jamison was 33 when we traded for him.

Completely different (and much better) move.

[Dro]

Good move for the Cavs...

[WhySoInsecure?]

Deng is the leader that the cavs have been missing. With Bynum gone and Deng in the locker room they should finally get their shit together.

[RedBlackAttack]

The Cavs put forth arguably their most inspiring performance tonight, in light of the news on Deng. Confidence and attitude are part of the battle when you're a young team trying to find your way.

Also, there's this...


Kyrie Irving said he wore a Duke sweatshirt all day today in honor of his fellow Blue Devil Luol Deng coming to CLE.

:cheers:

[ballup]

Has anyone ever considered Deng a leader before? I mean he could be like a Derek Fisher type leader, but I don't think many Bulls fans label him as one.

[sixer6ad]

This absolutely ends all of the excuses at some point this year. After this group plays together for a spell, all of us CLE fans HAVE to stop saying "lack of talent".

Kyrie
Waiters
Deng
Thompson
Varela

is a lineup that many cities would take. Miles hits 10 3's last night and might not finish games! Jarrett Jack's leadership with this group? Could be great.

Grant puts up with a lot of crap, but at what point do we look at a lineup and say that it's good enough to win consistently? This lineup above could win 6 or 7 out of every 10 games.

Stop talking about Chris grant and mike brown. Let's start putting the heat on this lineup to get it done. It's good enough to win.

5 game trip out west begins Friday, but the test will actually begin after the trip. That's when this group should start to play.

[poido123]

This absolutely ends all of the excuses at some point this year. After this group plays together for a spell, all of us CLE fans HAVE to stop saying "lack of talent".

Kyrie
Waiters
Deng
Thompson
Varela

is a lineup that many cities would take. Miles hits 10 3's last night and might not finish games! Jarrett Jack's leadership with this group? Could be great.

Grant puts up with a lot of crap, but at what point do we look at a lineup and say that it's good enough to win consistently? This lineup above could win 6 or 7 out of every 10 games.

Stop talking about Chris grant and mike brown. Let's start putting the heat on this lineup to get it done. It's good enough to win.

5 game trip out west begins Friday, but the test will actually begin after the trip. That's when this group should start to play.


I agree.

This team as it stands should start to turn things around. I'd be very surprised if they don't start winning alot.

[DukeDelonte13]

This absolutely ends all of the excuses at some point this year. After this group plays together for a spell, all of us CLE fans HAVE to stop saying "lack of talent".

Kyrie
Waiters
Deng
Thompson
Varela

is a lineup that many cities would take. Miles hits 10 3's last night and might not finish games! Jarrett Jack's leadership with this group? Could be great.

Grant puts up with a lot of crap, but at what point do we look at a lineup and say that it's good enough to win consistently? This lineup above could win 6 or 7 out of every 10 games.

Stop talking about Chris grant and mike brown. Let's start putting the heat on this lineup to get it done. It's good enough to win.

5 game trip out west begins Friday, but the test will actually begin after the trip. That's when this group should start to play.

i agree with this post. At some point its on the players on the floor to produce. Too many cavs fans look BS reasons to blame the losses on. Last night against philly cavs set a season high in assists. Did Mike Brown magically come up with a new offensive strategy overnight? Or did our players pull their heads out of their asses and played intelligently with some passion?

I've been saying it all season long and i'll say it again. This team's biggest problem is the decision making of our guards. Until they learn to consistently move the ball rather than just drive to the hoop and hope for the best, this team is going to struggle. Any team would.

Deng isn't going to be the answer to all this team's problems but he fills a GIGANTIC hole that this team hasn't filled since Lebron left. I think on top of his game, his addition is going to boost the confidence and trust Kyrie and Dion have in some of the other teammates.

[chips93]

i agree with this post. At some point its on the players on the floor to produce. Too many cavs fans look BS reasons to blame the losses on. Last night against philly cavs set a season high in assists. Did Mike Brown magically come up with a new offensive strategy overnight? Or did our players pull their heads out of their asses and played intelligently with some passion?

I've been saying it all season long and i'll say it again. This team's biggest problem is the decision making of our guards. Until they learn to consistently move the ball rather than just drive to the hoop and hope for the best, this team is going to struggle. Any team would.


yeah, the execution was on point last night, running plays properly, and the guards were moving the ball unselfishly. AC did a great job pointing out kyrie and dion's hockey assists.

i think the true test of dion and kyrie's unselfishness will be when their teammates shots arent falling. will they regress back to overdribbling, or will they trust them enough to keep feeding them the ball, till they get out of a cold spell. thats a real sign of trust.

[RedBlackAttack]

This absolutely ends all of the excuses at some point this year. After this group plays together for a spell, all of us CLE fans HAVE to stop saying "lack of talent".

Kyrie
Waiters
Deng
Thompson
Varela

is a lineup that many cities would take. Miles hits 10 3's last night and might not finish games! Jarrett Jack's leadership with this group? Could be great.

Grant puts up with a lot of crap, but at what point do we look at a lineup and say that it's good enough to win consistently? This lineup above could win 6 or 7 out of every 10 games.

Stop talking about Chris grant and mike brown. Let's start putting the heat on this lineup to get it done. It's good enough to win.

5 game trip out west begins Friday, but the test will actually begin after the trip. That's when this group should start to play.
I don't think there's any doubt the talent is there. Hell, I thought that even before this trade. The amount of young guys being relied upon for huge roles and adapting to a new system is the reason we have struggled so far this season, imo.

And, despite the recent losing streak, the team was actually playing better. A very narrow loss to the Pacers without Kyrie? A buzzer-beater against the Blazers? Another very close loss to the Heat?

I agree that all excuses are now out the window. Even the youth thing... Deng should help immensely with that.

One thing is for sure... this team isn't playing for the lottery. And, I don't think they should at this point in the rebuild. At some point you have to start winning games just to be reassured things are on the right track.

[KyrieTheFuture]

As much as I love this team direction I'm still hoping we can package Varejao and Jack for something. I just want to get rid of Jack and Andy is a good piece but I'd like to see what we could get for him.

[RedBlackAttack]

As much as I love this team direction I'm still hoping we can package Varejao and Jack for something. I just want to get rid of Jack and Andy is a good piece but I'd like to see what we could get for him.
We'd have to get a big back, although I must admit... I've liked what Zeller has done since he came back from injury. When he gets in the game, the tempo kicks up immediately. He's really good at running the floor and his all-around game has improved quite a bit since his rookie season.

Still, he's not a starting center on a good team. More like a rotational big.

We could go all-in on the "win now" model and take a stab at Zach Randolph. I'm not a big fan of a move like that, personally, but it's something to think about.

[KyrieTheFuture]

We'd have to get a big back, although I must admit... I've liked what Zeller has done since he came back from injury. When he gets in the game, the tempo kicks up immediately. He's really good at running the floor and his all-around game has improved quite a bit since his rookie season.

Still, he's not a starting center on a good team. More like a rotational big.

We could go all-in on the "win now" model and take a stab at Zach Randolph. I'm not a big fan of a move like that, personally, but it's something to think about.
I love Zbo but he wouldn't fit next to Thompson and I would prefer to keep him. I can't think of a trade that makes sense so it's more likely we keep Varejao which I don't really have a problem with.

[Meticode]

Get it done Cavs.

New York gets: Jack and Varejao (Jack can take J.R. Smith's spot_
Cavaliers get: Tyson Chandler

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmlbkkw

[chips93]

andy fits so well on this team, the ball movement would be much much worse without him. not to mention his rebounding and defense.

id want a big talent upgrade if we are giving up andy.

i have no problem moving jarret jack along. so far this season, delly has been just as good, if not better than jack. plus, with the deng trade, i assume that marks the end of the 3 guard lineups, so one of them is going to be getting a few less minutes, from this point onwards.

[RedBlackAttack]

andy fits so well on this team, the ball movement would be much much worse without him. not to mention his rebounding and defense.

id want a big talent upgrade if we are giving up andy.

i have no problem moving jarret jack along. so far this season, delly has been just as good, if not better than jack. plus, with the deng trade, i assume that marks the end of the 3 guard lineups, so one of them is going to be getting a few less minutes, from this point onwards.
I know, up until pretty recently, Delly had the same PER as Oladipo. I think Victor has edged ahead of him recently, but they're still pretty close.

Delly has been a really great pickup. Truth is, with how bad this draft class has been, he has probably been one of the best rookies in the league so far this season. And, what he brings to a team is often hard to quantify using statistics. He reminds me of a guard version of Andy.

As disappointing as Bennett has been and even Karasev to a lesser extent, Delly's play has helped make up for them.

He makes Jack completely expendable, imo. I was initially excited about the Jack signing, but now it seems pretty obvious that he's a redundant with Dion/Kyrie. Delly is a much better change of pace guy, actually.

I agree with you about Andy, btw. He's a glue guy and I suspect he'll be even more vital now that we have Deng rounding out the starting five. The only way I trade him is if we have a chance to get younger at the position.

[Jameerthefear]

Bump.

[KyleKong]

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