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Lebron23
01-10-2014, 03:57 PM
Gary Payton takes his era of point guards over today’s, calls him and Shawn Kemp ‘the original Lob City’

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SPRINGFIELD, Mass. – Gary Payton is one of a dozen people being enshrined as part of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame this weekend in Springfield, Mass. Leading up to this weekend, the Glove has made several noteworthy comments, which continued during Saturday’s press conference.

Earlier this week, Payton said that John Stockton was harder to guard than Michael Jordan, though, it wasn’t as outlandish of a statement when you hear Payton’s full explanation. However, on Saturday afternoon, Payton wasn’t asked about specific players, rather eras, and when it came down to points in the ‘90s as opposed to today’s lead guards, it wasn’t shocking who the new Hall of Famer chose.

“I like my era better,” Payton told reporters.

“Every time I went against a point guard, we just played tough,” Payton continued. “You had the Tim Hardaways, the Kevin Johnsons; a lot of them guys. I always thought about. I always liked my era because we can hand check, we can do a lot of stuff; we can control our teams. We didn’t have to score 25-26. We could get 17, 10 dimes and three or four steals.”

Payton cited the younger generation, the NBA lockout in 1999, rule changes and even the rise of the And 1 Mixtape Tour as contributing factors to how the point guard position and style of play has changed from his own era.

“It’s the way our kids are brought up,” Payton said. “You guys have to understand, basketball has changed.

“They had to build it up after the first strike. Basketball was down a little bit. David Stern did a great job of bringing basketball back because he knew kids wanted to see run-and-gun. They didn’t want to see defense like the Knicks were doing. Slowing the ball down, setting up defenses and stuff like that and running plays. Kids weren’t doing that in the playgrounds. So we sped the game up, and that’s what the kids liked. They liked to see dunking, they like to see running, they liked to see scoring and that’s just the way it went.”

The discussion of a fast-paced, dunk-filled style of play transitioned Payton into mentioning his playing days with Shawn Kemp in Seattle. Their alley-oops connection lives on in YouTube glory, which gave him the opportunity to remind the basketball world that there was an alley-oop combo before Chris Paul and Blake Griffin joined forces in Los Angeles.

“When people say Lob City or stuff like that, we were the original Lob City,” Payton said. “We don’t want to call it Lob City, we just called it Reign Man and the Glove.”

Although the game is different from Payton’s days in Seattle, that hasn’t stopped him from trying to revive his era in the new breed of floor generals, as he has been reportedly working out this summer with point guards such as John Wall and Damian Lillard.

The style of play Payton loved so much may be gone, but his accomplishments will forever hang with the rest of basketball’s greats following this weekend. The Glove completes his Hall of Fame enshrinement when he is presented as a new member by John Stockton and George Gervin at Springfield’s Symphony Hall on Sunday afternoon.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/07/gary-payton-takes-his-era-of-point-guards-over-todays-calls-him-and-shawn-kemp-the-original-lob-city/

moe94
01-10-2014, 03:59 PM
Remember that time some dude from a different era said his era wasn't better than the current one?

Payton, though, has a real point. Payton would be the best PG in today's game.

Mr Exlax
01-10-2014, 04:02 PM
Remember that time some dude from a different era said his era wasn't better than the current one?

Payton, though, has a real point. Payton would be the best PG in today's game.

I like that he didn't say his era was better though.

moe94
01-10-2014, 04:04 PM
I like that he didn't say his era was better though.

I meant the PG era. :biggums:

Also, I guarantee you he believes his generation is better. It's Payton. Actually, he heavily hints that his game was more methodical and layered. He's saying the rules were changed to make the game more appealing to casuals and he's not the first, either.

Mr Exlax
01-10-2014, 04:18 PM
I meant the PG era. :biggums:

Also, I guarantee you he believes his generation is better. It's Payton. Actually, he heavily hints that his game was more methodical and layered. He's saying the rules were changed to make the game more appealing to casuals and he's not the first, either.

Which I agree with. I would like to see some of these super athletic PGs play in his era though. I would like to see him try and defend Westbrook in this era.

MetsPackers
01-10-2014, 04:21 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Player claims era he played in was the best era

ImKobe
01-10-2014, 04:23 PM
Payton would be the best PG in this era no doubt. A better defender than CP3 and he has near identical offensive numbers(CP3 the better passer). And he led his team to the Finals during the time when the Hakeem's Rockets came off championship runs and you also had Stockton & Malone.... and took the 72-10 Bulls to 6 games, nothing but respect for that guy.

Jailblazers7
01-10-2014, 04:25 PM
Him and Kemp were the original lob city tho...but its not a fair comparison because we didn't get to see his era of PGs operate in space like guys get to do now. It would have been a lot harder for a guy like Steph Curry to do what he is doing because the #1 priority would be to handcheck him.

imdaman99
01-10-2014, 04:26 PM
I would have loved to see him and Goatbrook battle it out 4 times a year :bowdown:

2LeTTeRS
01-10-2014, 04:26 PM
I meant the PG era. :biggums:

Also, I guarantee you he believes his generation is better. It's Payton. Actually, he heavily hints that his game was more methodical and layered. He's saying the rules were changed to make the game more appealing to casuals and he's not the first, either.

I'm not sure what he said that was so controversial. When he was at his best the following guys were playing (Stockton, KJ, Hardaway, Mark Price, Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd, Rod Strickland, Stephon Marbury, and Penny)

Raymone
01-10-2014, 04:36 PM
Magic takes his era of point guards over Payton's era of point guards.

Bandito
01-10-2014, 04:40 PM
I would have loved to see him and Goatbrook battle it out 4 times a year :bowdown:
:biggums:

For what? The starter position?

215Philly
01-10-2014, 04:40 PM
Poor man's Mike Conley :sleeping

moe94
01-10-2014, 04:44 PM
homeless man's Mike Conley :sleeping


fix'd

You were dissing Conley there.

215Philly
01-10-2014, 04:48 PM
fix'd

You were dissing Conley there.
:cheers:

shaq2000
01-10-2014, 04:59 PM
Magic takes his era of point guards over Payton's era of point guards.

Bob Cousy takes his era of point guards over Magic's era of point guards.

LT Ice Cream
01-10-2014, 04:59 PM
Starting to sound like the real-life Uncle Drew.

Ok now Uncle Gary.

Ancient Legend
01-10-2014, 05:02 PM
Gary Payton, ringless in Seattle!!! Had to ring chase at the end of his career.

Lebron23
01-10-2014, 05:03 PM
Gary Payton, ringless in Seattle!!! Had to ring chase at the end of his career.


Jason Williams was better than him in the 2006 NBA Season.

imdaman99
01-10-2014, 05:27 PM
:biggums:

For what? The starter position?
IF GP was on the Sonics, there's no way they draft Goatbrook :coleman:

bizil
01-10-2014, 06:29 PM
Most of the premier PG's in Gary's era or slightly before were either:

Pass first guys who could also be alpha dogs in a heartbeat:

Magic
Isiah
Payton
Timmy
KJ
Mark Price
Penny

Pass first guys who weren't alpha dog scorers:

Stockton
Kidd

Nowadays, most of the top PG's are actually more slanted to scoring or combo guards. Other than Paul, Rondo, D-Will, or a Rubio, u don't have guys with that epic quarterbacking. But I give Steph Curry mad props for getting close to the level, if he hasn't got there recently. He's really turning into a more dangerous version of a Mark Price due to his improved floor generalship. So I agree with GP!

oarabbus
01-10-2014, 06:34 PM
Bob Cousy takes his era of point guards over Magic's era of point guards.

James Naismith takes his era of point guards over Cousy's era of point guards.


Kids these days "banking" shots, making a basket "off the glass" what kind of nonsense is that? :mad:

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D.J.
01-10-2014, 06:35 PM
Payton is right. The game has simply changed. The days of the pure point guard are over. Today's points are really combo guards.

moe94
01-10-2014, 06:45 PM
Payton is right. The game has simply changed. The days of the pure point guard are over. Today's points are really combo guards.

Blame Iverson.

D.J.
01-10-2014, 07:46 PM
Blame Iverson.


He wasn't the first. Hardaway and Kevin Johnson both played like combo guards.

VIP2000
01-10-2014, 09:32 PM
Most of the premier PG's in Gary's era or slightly before were either:

Pass first guys who could also be alpha dogs in a heartbeat:

Magic
Isiah
Payton
Timmy
KJ
Mark Price
Penny

Pass first guys who weren't alpha dog scorers:

Stockton
Kidd

Nowadays, most of the top PG's are actually more slanted to scoring or combo guards. Other than Paul, Rondo, D-Will, or a Rubio, u don't have guys with that epic quarterbacking. But I give Steph Curry mad props for getting close to the level, if he hasn't got there recently. He's really turning into a more dangerous version of a Mark Price due to his improved floor generalship. So I agree with GP!

You left out Matt Maloney. Matt Maloney!

bizil
01-11-2014, 05:35 AM
You left out Matt Maloney. Matt Maloney!

Ha Ha!!:rockon:

bizil
01-11-2014, 05:41 AM
He wasn't the first. Hardaway and Kevin Johnson both played like combo guards.

I think Hardaway and KJ is an interesting comparison, but both of those guys were awesome passers as well. They looked to pass more than AI though. I think AI was flat out best as a SG believe it or not. Even though AI could run the PG easily though. I think Hardaway and KJ were both best at PG. They saw the floor more in PG or combo guard sense as u said. AI saw it flat out as a SG who is also a great passer. No different than bigger SG's like MJ, Wade, West, Kobe, and Drexler. It's why ultimately Larry Brown moved AI to shooting guard. But interestingly enough, AI would likely be a PG today if he was at his peak today. He would be a better version of Rose, Westbrook, or Parker in my opinion.

icewill36
01-11-2014, 05:43 AM
the PG is probably the deepest position in the league today... can you say that about peytons era ? easily just as much talent today as then, if not more.

bizil
01-11-2014, 05:54 AM
the PG is probably the deepest position in the league today... can you say that about peytons era ? easily just as much talent today as then, if not more.

In terms of depth u are right no doubt! But if u take Payton, Kidd, Stockton, KJ, Tim and Penny vs. Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, Curry, and Parker, I would take the first group. That first group has better floor generals and as a whole balances passing and scoring better. Paul is really the only one on that first groups level in that regard, and Steph Curry is fast getting there in that sense too. HOWEVER, u still got D-Will, Wall, Lillard, Irving, Lawson, Jennings, Carter-Williams, etc. in this era. So overall, this era in terms of depth is the Golden Age of PG's it looks like.

BoutPractice
01-11-2014, 06:10 AM
The mid 00s was a fantastic era for PGs too: you had years where Kidd, Nash, and young Paul were playing great at the same time, for instance around 2007, which also had Parker in all-star form winning FMVP, Arenas still averaging 28, Iverson averaging 26 and 7, prime Billups taking the Pistons to the ECF yet again, Deron Williams emerging as a star in his own right with a great playoff run...

VIntageNOvel
01-11-2014, 09:12 AM
[QUOTE=Lebron23][B][SIZE="6"]Gary Payton takes his era of point guards over today

Bandito
01-11-2014, 10:14 AM
The mid 00s was a fantastic era for PGs too: you had years where Kidd, Nash, and young Paul were playing great at the same time, for instance around 2007, which also had Parker in all-star form winning FMVP, Arenas still averaging 28, Iverson averaging 26 and 7, prime Billups taking the Pistons to the ECF yet again, Deron Williams emerging as a star in his own right with a great playoff run...i miss those years of the guards! The 00 apso had great Sg's in Tmac, vince and Kobe. And some other guys i am forgetting to mention but were still elite.