Cp3 vs the Stock

[tenzan]

which one of these point guards would you take?

[Breezy]

Cp3 is the better player. As a matter of fact a lot of Pg's have been better than Stockton Payton, Kidd, Nash, KJ. But I'd still take Stockton because he was nearly as good as any of those guys and he was consistently excellent for 20 years.

Plus he set picks on bigs and I love that. :rockon:

[JohnFreeman]

Stockton. He actually can make a deep playoff run.

[bizil]

CP3 all the way! Can run a team just as good and IS CLEARLY better than Stock scoring the rock. CP3 has alpha level capabilities scoring the rock while Stock never did.

[Harison]

Stockton was smarter and better floor general, better defender, much more efficient scorer, mentally tough as nails.

CP3 does better two things - scores a bit more points at a lower efficiency, and is a bit better rebounder, at everything else he is inferior to Stock. Mentally its not even comparable, Stockton would be ashamed to be such flopping drama queen as CP3.

Also CP3 hardly has "alpha mentality", and in a team with Malone he would be a second banana in any case. How would Stockton do as the best player on the team we will never know, therefore its irrational to discard possibility he would be decent at it, especially considering his high BBIQ and toughness.

[coin24]

Stockton. Not even close

[KyleKong]

Stockton leads 3 NBA records which are most vital in being a Point Guard.

Love Paul, but gotta go with Stockton, for now at least, probably will change when Paul retires.

[moe94]

Stockton. Not even close

:roll:

[Legends66NBA7]

probably will change when Paul retires.

Which is honestly an absurd way of guaging players.

[3peated]

Which is honestly an absurd way of guaging players.


it's hard to compare an active player to a legend too, without seeing their full body of work.


but what he's saying is, which makes a lot of sense, is taht currently CP3 does not match up to stockton (true), but he has the potential to exceed stockton's play if he keeps growing as a player

[Bandito]

The stock and no questions asked if I need someone to run my team the best. CP3 I if I need the best player possible.

[Bandito]

it's hard to compare an active player to a legend too, without seeing their full body of work.


but what he's saying is, which makes a lot of sense, is taht currently CP3 does not match up to stockton (true), but he has the potential to exceed stockton's play if he keeps growing as a player
CP3 is nOt getting better than he already is. That ship has sailed.

[Legends66NBA7]

but what he's saying is, which makes a lot of sense, is taht currently CP3 does not match up to stockton (true), but he has the potential to exceed stockton's play if he keeps growing as a player

How much more is he going to grow as a player ? Most would already say that Paul has peaked and numbers wise seems better than peak Stockton.

They already have comparable accolades, which Paul seems to have an edge there too. The only reason this is much of debate is because of Stockton's amazing longevity, which while impressive, doesn't necessarily mean he was the better player either.

[annbafan]

although playing the very same position i regard them as different types of players... Paul is more oriented on scoring whereas Stockton was a true point guard... so these two can't really be compared to each other, at least, for me

[L.A. Jazz]

John Stockton. Not by a mile, but he was a better passer, better defender and efficient scorer. he isnt seen as a great leader because he never talked to the refs and other team. but why is CP3 a great leader only because he flops and bitches about everything nonstop?

[ImKobe]

Stockton. He got into players' heads and abused defenders on the P&R and set the toughest screens I've seen any player his size set. Plus he played every single game for 16 out of his 18 seasons and led his team to the Finals, twice. He also led the league in assists for 9 straight years and averaged 13+ assists a game for 5 straight seasons. Also a far better shooter than CP3. And a career 60,8%TS and 50.2%AST

Their numbers are pretty close overall, but right now I'm siding with the guy that made 2 consecutive NBA Finals and gave the Bulls fits. He also made the playoffs 18 consecutive seasons, as in every year he played in the league. He was still averaging 13 and 8 with 2 spg at 39 years old. Spent his entire NBA career playing for one team. One of the most durable players ever.

[robert de niro]

Stockton, it's a no-brainer

[Draz]

Stock of course.

[salwan]

gotta go with stockton

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Paul, simply because of his scoring abilities.

[Fiasco]

Well in a vacuum, Stockton.

[IGOTGAME]

Its close but id go with Stockton because he was a better leader.

[3peated]

How much more is he going to grow as a player ? Most would already say that Paul has peaked and numbers wise seems better than peak Stockton.

They already have comparable accolades, which Paul seems to have an edge there too. The only reason this is much of debate is because of Stockton's amazing longevity, which while impressive, doesn't necessarily mean he was the better player either.


so a player can have 1 or 2 good seasons and be remembered as a greater player than someone who had lesser quality for 15 seasons? doesn't make sense to me.

[Bigsmoke]

CP3 is the better player and Stockton has a better career because of longevity. Not sure what I get from Stockton if he wasnt with Karl Malone so I would pick CP3 regardless even tho he is more Injury prone. He is really that much better

[MavsSuperFan]

CP3

Much better player. Can play at near an MVP level.

All time stats <<<<<<<<<<<<< Per season averages

[steve]

People citing that Stockton led his team to the Finals realize that didn't happen until he was 34, right? A team with Stockton starting didn't win a 7 game series until he was 30. How exactly do you quantify a better leader?

[moe94]

CP3

Much better player. Can play at near an MVP level.

All time stats <<<<<<<<<<<<< Per season averages

17/14/3/3stls

"much better"

:roll:

[ImKobe]

People citing that Stockton led his team to the Finals realize that didn't happen until he was 34, right? A team with Stockton starting didn't win a 7 game series until he was 30. How exactly do you quantify a better leader?

Let's see CP3 make the Conference Finals first.:coleman:

[Meticode]

Stockon. One of the greatest floor generals of all time and played the PG spot the way it's meant to be played.

Nothing against Paul.

[moe94]

A thread about two individual players. Let's discuss how their teams did and compare them through that!

[guy]

At their best, CP3, and I don't think its even that close. But for a whole career, most likely Stockton depending on how long CP3 lasts and stays healthy. Stockton was durable and played long as ****. There's a lot of players I would take over Stockton at their best, but its his longevity that's ridiculous. For example, if CP3's career ended in the next few years and he continued to play at this level, I'd take Stockton's career over him. But I'd take CP3's 9 season career thus far over any 9 year span of Stockton's career.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Am I the only one taken back with the nickname "the Stock"? I have honestly never heard anyone refer to Stockton as that before. Stock, sure. The Stock?

[PP34Deuce]

Based on pure abiliy would you guys take stockton over Zeke thomas?

CP3 is carbon copy of Thomas as a PG. I consider them pure PG's with the special ability to score like a first option.

A deep playoff run over the next 3 years will have CP3 in a different light. I do think he does everything better than Stockton other than hit 3's and pass( he's like a half step below in passing)

[ImKobe]

Based on pure abiliy would you guys take stockton over Zeke thomas?

CP3 is carbon copy of Thomas as a PG. I consider them pure PG's with the special ability to score like a first option.

A deep playoff run over the next 3 years will have CP3 in a different light. I do think he does everything better than Stockton other than hit 3's and pass( he's like a half step below in passing)

Do you think CP3 is a better defender than Stockton?

[bizil]

At their best, CP3, and I don't think its even that close. But for a whole career, most likely Stockton depending on how long CP3 lasts and stays healthy. Stockton was durable and played long as ****. There's a lot of players I would take over Stockton at their best, but its his longevity that's ridiculous. For example, if CP3's career ended in the next few years and he continued to play at this level, I'd take Stockton's career over him. But I'd take CP3's 9 season career thus far over any 9 year span of Stockton's career.

Couldn't have said it any better sir! And GOAT wise is the most important list as u have alluded to. And Stock had an epic career. Anytime u lead the L ALL TIME in two key statistics, that's sick shit! So it remains to be seen if CP3 will rank over Stock. But it appears CP3 will be at least a top 10 GOAT kind of PG.

[bizil]

Stockton. He actually can make a deep playoff run.

But look at the talent Stock had to play with! Stock had the Mailman, the GOAT PF until Duncan took the crown. Hornacek was a underrated All Star kind of guard. The Jazz also had role players that fit their system great. Paul is just now starting to get the pieces in place in LAC. Give him time shit!

[bizil]

Based on pure abiliy would you guys take stockton over Zeke thomas?

CP3 is carbon copy of Thomas as a PG. I consider them pure PG's with the special ability to score like a first option.

A deep playoff run over the next 3 years will have CP3 in a different light. I do think he does everything better than Stockton other than hit 3's and pass( he's like a half step below in passing)


Right on the money sir! CP3 and Zeke are for sure very similar. And it's very special to be a pure PG who can score like a first option. U can literally dictate a game in such an epic manner when u can do that. For bigger PG's, Magic and Big O did it awesome as well. Nash, Tiny, Frazier, and Payton were great at it to. But the best in my book at it are Magic, Big O, Isiah, and Paul!

[moe94]

People keep pretending like Stockton is almost entirely career based when his APG and a/t ratio is the GOAT. I will never understand this.

[ImKobe]

But look at the talent Stock had to play with! Stock had the Mailman, the GOAT PF until Duncan took the crown. Hornacek was a underrated All Star kind of guard. The Jazz also had role players that fit their system great. Paul is just now starting to the pieces in place in LAC. Give him time shit!

Then this thread is moot. How are we supposed to compare Stockton and CP3 right now then? We can only go by the facts that are presented to us. CP3 might lead a team to a title, or he might never lead a team to a WCF. We don't know that. As it stands right now, Stock has the better numbers and accolades.

[bizil]

Stockton was smarter and better floor general, better defender, much more efficient scorer, mentally tough as nails.

CP3 does better two things - scores a bit more points at a lower efficiency, and is a bit better rebounder, at everything else he is inferior to Stock. Mentally its not even comparable, Stockton would be ashamed to be such flopping drama queen as CP3.

Also CP3 hardly has "alpha mentality", and in a team with Malone he would be a second banana in any case. How would Stockton do as the best player on the team we will never know, therefore its irrational to discard possibility he would be decent at it, especially considering his high BBIQ and toughness.

Are u insane!! Paul CLEARLY is a pure PG with alpha dog level scoring capabilities. Secondly, just because u r a second option (or on deep ass teams a third option) DOESN'T mean u aren't alpha dog level material! James Harden is proving that now in Houston!! And on a team with Mailman, why would Paul be the leading scorer anyway? His main priority is to be a quarterback and then DOMINATE scoring when it's needed. Stock could NEVER do that for Malone the way a Paul or Isiah could!

[bizil]

Then this thread is moot. How are we supposed to compare Stockton and CP3 right now then? We can only go by the facts that are presented to us. CP3 might lead a team to a title, or he might never lead a team to a WCF. We don't know that. As it stands right now, Stock has the better numbers and accolades.

I'm no fool!! GOAT wise Stock is clearly better! But in terms of who I feel is the better player peak value wise, I think Paul is the better player. It's two different criteria. People are comparing Stockton's peak to what Paul current value is as a player. Not accomplishments or anything else. Just simply who is the better player in terms of what the bring talent wise. For example, Reggie Miller ranks higher than T-Mac on a GOAT list. But in terms of who flat out was the better player peak value wise, its T-Mac CLEARLY! U have GOAT criteria and peak value criteria. If u are true sports fan, u SHOULD know the difference!! As soon as the question was posed, I knew the OP meant in terms of peak value and not GOAT shit!

[ImKobe]

I'm no fool!! GOAT wise Stock is clearly better! But in terms of who I feel is the better player peak value wise, I think Paul is the better player. It's two different criteria.

Btw, your avatar :applause:

[Young X]

The biggest difference between them is CP's scoring and rebounding ability, in every other facet they're comparable. If you look at it objectively, CP's clearly a better all around player.