Proof that Kevin Durant is officially the best player in the world.

[Budadiiii]

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He passes the eye test and the stat test. LeBron had a fairly short run

[lebeast666]

Coast Season

[IncarceratedBob]

check out the ewa differential, lebron should be ashamed

[navy]

They are still pretty close to each other, not sure why you wouldnt wait till the end of the season before claiming anything. I think Durant was ahead of Lebron at this time last year again.

[Budadiiii]

They are still pretty close to each other, not sure why you wouldnt wait till the end of the season before claiming anything. I think Durant was ahead of Lebron at this time last year again.
What would that prove?

We're judging these guys on an individual basis, not on team accomplishments.

I feel Kevin Durants reliable offense is the difference. Scoring is the most important aspect of the sport and Kevin is able to score at will. This cherry picked efficiency LeBron has will be worthless when his team his tied in the 4th Q and they need someone to score.

The fact that KD has improved his playmaking and defense, while also remaining very efficient puts him over the top. LeBron no longer has any one big advantage over KD.

[navy]

What would that prove?

We're judging these guys on an individual basis, not on team accomplishments.

I feel Kevin Durants reliable offense is the difference. Scoring is the most important aspect of the sport and Kevin is able to score at will. This cherry picked efficiency LeBron has will be worthless when his team his tied in the 4th Q and they need someone to score.

The fact that KD has improved his playmaking and defense, while also remaining very efficient puts him over the top. LeBron no longer has any one big advantage over KD.

Well, if you watched Durant last year in the playoffs and this year you can see that he hasnt been reliable at all in the fourth quarter when his team needs someone to score. He even misses free throws which is inexplicable for someone with 90% accuracy.

And I was saying wait for the end of the season for their individual stats not their team records. Durant had better stats around this time until Lebron turned it on to a new level.

[GOATbe]

Best player will still be Kobe when he comes back.

[arifgokcen]

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He passes the eye test and the stat test. LeBron had a fairly short run

Dude you realize if you rank best player using PER,then lebron had been the best player from 2007-2013.Thats 6 year window.Only jordan according to your criteria has been the best player for longer and thats only 1 year longer from 86-93.7 year period.

[Budadiiii]

Dude you realize if you rank best player using PER,then lebron had been the best player from 2007-2013.Thats 6 year window.Only jordan according to your criteria has been the best player for longer and thats only 1 year longer from 86-93.7 year period.
I also included the eye test.

[arifgokcen]

I also included the eye test.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Did you now

[Leftimage]

Needs to win the H2H match-ups. After all he's not just coming from a ''2nd best player in the league'' perspective. Lebron has been sonning him since he entered the league.

Come to think of it, Lebron is just better.

[Crafty]

Yes, let's ignore the past 5 years where Lebron won 4 MVPs, reached 3 finals, won 2 championships and 2 FMVP.
It's really matters the first 38 (?) games of the season.

[SexSymbol]

Durant will be better than LeBron only if he wins a ring.

He's the MVP though by a mile

[arifgokcen]

Yes, let's ignore the past 5 years where Lebron won 4 MVPs, reached 3 finals, won 2 championships and 2 FMVP.
It's really matters the first 38 (?) games of the season.

no none of those accomplishments matter.

We have something called "eye test" didnt you hear :D

[GOATbe]

Yes, let's ignore the past 5 years where Lebron won 4 MVPs, reached 3 finals, won 2 championships and 2 FMVP.
It's really matters the first 38 (?) games of the season.

Kobe deserved most of Lebrons MVPs. Ray should've gotten FMVP in 2013 and might as well have given the FMVP to Joey Crawford in 2012.:facepalm

I'm sure anyone can get to the Finals 3 times in a row when you're on one of the most stacked teams of all time next to Jordans Bulls.:confusedshrug:

[Eric Cartman]

I'm sure anyone can get to the Finals 3 times in a row when you're on one of the most stacked teams of all time next to Jordans Bulls.:confusedshrug:

Yet no ones gives a shit that the Bulls were infact STACKED giving all the credit and celebration bj's to MJ.

Sickening really.

[k0kakw0rld]

LeBron playing less minutes tho! PER stil pretty close.

[Black and White]

Kevin Durant is having a beast year no doubt, it's close tho.

[ArbitraryWater]

Is the eye test the best measuring tool we have in today's world to judge players?

May be, it's fascinating.

[JebronLames]

Kobe deserved most of Lebrons MVPs. Ray should've gotten FMVP in 2013 and might as well have given the FMVP to Joey Crawford in 2012.:facepalm

I'm sure anyone can get to the Finals 3 times in a row when you're on one of the most stacked teams of all time next to Jordans Bulls.:confusedshrug:

Injured wade and bosh in 2012
Injured wade and no offense bosh in 2013

:no:

[b1imtf]

Kobe deserved most of Lebrons MVPs. Ray should've gotten FMVP in 2013 and might as well have given the FMVP to Joey Crawford in 2012.:facepalm

I'm sure anyone can get to the Finals 3 times in a row when you're on one of the most stacked teams of all time next to Jordans Bulls.:confusedshrug:
Jan 2:oldlol:14

[ImKobe]

no none of those accomplishments matter.

We have something called "eye test" didnt you hear :D

If past accomplishments mattered, Kobe would still be considered the best player in the league...

RIGHT NOW you can make a case that KD has been the better player THIS SEASON based on the stats and games played.

[wildchild]

Best Basketball Player in the world today and much more entertaining of than the other guy mentioned. :applause:

[lilgodfather1]

Thought KD stans were all about ts%? I suppose that wouldn't fit this particular stans agenda though...

[lilgodfather1]

If past accomplishments mattered, Kobe would still be considered the best player in the league...

RIGHT NOW you can make a case that KD has been the better player THIS SEASON based on the stats and games played.
Except LBJ is ranked higher than KB at this point so how do you come to that conclusion? Oh well kobe stans and all that. Trying to find a new saviour from that evil LeBron.

[Joe Anderson]

Kobe deserved most of Lebrons MVPs. Ray should've gotten FMVP in 2013 and might as well have given the FMVP to Joey Crawford in 2012.:facepalm

I'm sure anyone can get to the Finals 3 times in a row when you're on one of the most stacked teams of all time next to Jordans Bulls.:confusedshrug:
So anyone can get to the finals with a stacked team? I'm not so sure, seeing as how last season Kobe had 3 future HOF teammates and could only lead them to the 7th seed. :confusedshrug:

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe deserved most of Lebrons MVPs. Ray should've gotten FMVP in 2013 and might as well have given the FMVP to Joey Crawford in 2012.:facepalm

I'm sure anyone can get to the Finals 3 times in a row when you're on one of the most stacked teams of all time next to Jordans Bulls.:confusedshrug:

:banghead:

[russwest0]

Durant beating LeBron at efficency.... the one thing LeBron had over Durant :lol :lol :lol

[russwest0]

Kobe deserved most of Lebrons MVPs. Ray should've gotten FMVP in 2013 and might as well have given the FMVP to Joey Crawford in 2012.:facepalm

I'm sure anyone can get to the Finals 3 times in a row when you're on one of the most stacked teams of all time next to Jordans Bulls.:confusedshrug:

establishing yourself as the best new poster here :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Boarder Patrol]

Durant is clearly best in the world this year. Also, he's trending upwards still while LeBron is on his way down (in b4 LeBron's FG% comments :lol )

KD for that 3-peat MVP:rockon:

[GOATbe]

So anyone can get to the finals with a stacked team? I'm not so sure, seeing as how last season Kobe had 3 future HOF teammates and could only lead them to the 7th seed. :confusedshrug:

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Are you really trying to compare Lebrons cast with Kobe's from last year? Injured Dwight, 39 year old Nash and old injured Gasoft. Bench players injured. Is this one of the most stacked teams of all time or what?:lol :lol:facepalm

Kobe carrying those crippled scrubs to 7th seed at 34 years old was extremely impressive.

[Boarder Patrol]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Are you really trying to compare Lebrons cast with Kobe's from last year? Injured Dwight, 39 year old Nash and old injured Gasoft. Bench players injured. Is this one of the most stacked teams of all time or what?:lol :lol:facepalm

Kobe carrying those crippled scrubs to 7th seed at 34 years old was extremely impressive.

This dude obviously knows nothing about basketball. Kobe's 2012-2013 Laker's cast >> LeBron's 2013-2014 cast?

:biggums: ^ 10

[TheGreatDeraj]

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He passes the eye test and the stat test. LeBron had a fairly short run

tfw nothing after the mpg column makes any damn sense

I somewhat understand ts% it is some combination of fg% ft% and 3p% but....

AST: 15.7?

TO 9.4?

If Hollinger wants to make up new stats...go for it...but at least give them new names, and preferably not incredibly vague names like VA and EWA. I could not even guess what those mean.

[LeBron 06]

The season is not over!

[Joe Anderson]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Are you really trying to compare Lebrons cast with Kobe's from last year? Injured Dwight, 39 year old Nash and old injured Gasoft. Bench players injured. Is this one of the most stacked teams of all time or what?:lol :lol:facepalm

Kobe carrying those crippled scrubs to 7th seed at 34 years old was extremely impressive.
Lebron had to carry an injured inconsistent Wade, a soft can't rebound to save his life Bosh, an ancient Ray Allen and Shane Battier, and an aging Birdman who no one else in the league even wanted.
See, I can play that game too. :rolleyes:

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Are you really trying to compare Lebrons cast with Kobe's from last year? Injured Dwight, 39 year old Nash and old injured Gasoft. Bench players injured. Is this one of the most stacked teams of all time or what?:lol :lol:facepalm

Kobe carrying those crippled scrubs to 7th seed at 34 years old was extremely impressive.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p235x165/1456602_755634524450305_807174118_n.jpg

[Megabox!]

That boy KD has been on a scoring rampage lately, his rebounding and defense has improved too. Still wouldn't take him over LBJ tho, dude has been taking it easy this season and still putting up great numbers. KD will catch him in a few more years

[Boarder Patrol]

Lebron had to carry an injured inconsistent Wade, a soft can't rebound to save his life Bosh, an ancient Ray Allen and Shane Battier, and an aging Birdman who no one else in the league even wanted.
See, I can play that game too. :rolleyes:

KD is now a better scorer, defender and rebounder. Deal with it :banana:

Trying to downplay Ray Allen when he saved your boy's legacy :roll:

[JUDGE WITNESS]

put kevin durant on the heat and they become a lottery team

[TheGreatDeraj]

Is the eye test the best measuring tool we have in today's world to judge players?

May be, it's fascinating.

I absolutely think the eye test is the best measuring tool. There is a drawback though...

With the eye test we can see the action and analyze the situation and all of the thousands of changing factors occurring continuously within the game.

However, there is bias that comes with the eye test and it's also impossible to see every game, unless its your full time job.

Now with statistics, we get a fairly good idea of what is happening on the court, but it is only part of the picture. Statistics can't describe the free flowing, ever changing game of basketball accurately.

[Boarder Patrol]

put kevin durant on the heat and they become a lottery team

Better scorer, rebounder, defender than LeBron. All LeBron has left is playmaking, and even that is dwindling as KD averages a couple less assists, but less turnovers.

LeBron had a nice reign, but it's over :rockon:

[G-train]

I didn't the realise MVP was judged on half a court.
Durant is not as good as Lebron.

[G-train]

Better scorer, rebounder, defender than LeBron. All LeBron has left is playmaking, and even that is dwindling as KD averages a couple less assists, but less turnovers.

LeBron had a nice reign, but it's over :rockon:

Bad start to your ISH posting.

[Will10]

please tell me you're not serious

[GOATbe]

Lebron had to carry an injured inconsistent Wade, a soft can't rebound to save his life Bosh, an ancient Ray Allen and Shane Battier, and an aging Birdman who no one else in the league even wanted.
See, I can play that game too. :rolleyes:

An "inconsistent" Wade who carried Lebron throughout the finals while he was busy being locked by Boris Diaw:sleeping

A "can't rebound to save his life" Bosh who coincidently rebounded and assisted on the gamewinning shot that saved Lebron from another failed and choked up finals.:applause:

An "ancient" Ray whom hit the shot that saved Lebrons career :lol

Kobe didn't have the luxury last year of having a team so stacked that he could sit out the entire season come back at the end and find his team at 1st-3rd seed at worst :oldlol:

Why even begin to start an argument you know you've already lost?:lol

[JUDGE WITNESS]

we need another heat-thunder finals so that lebron can establish his supremacy over kd once again

[KendrickPerkins]

Very well said. I fully agree. Durant is easily the better player of the two at this point.

[Boarder Patrol]

put kevin durant on the heat and they become a lottery team

Better scorer, rebounder, defender than LeBron. All LeBron has left is playmaking, and even that is dwindling as KD averages a couple less assists, but less turnovers.

LeBron had a nice reign, but it's over :rockon:

[Joe Anderson]

KD is now a better scorer, defender and rebounder. Deal with it :banana:

Trying to downplay Ray Allen when he saved your boy's legacy :roll:
KD should be a better rebounder than Lebron seeing as he's about 3 or 4 inches taller with a 7'6 wingspan. I wasn't trying to downplay Ray Allen, I was trying to make a point. That Kobe stan was trying to downplay all of Kobe's teammates to make his hero's failures last season seem acceptable, and I showed him that anyone's supporting cast can be downplayed. :confusedshrug:

[KendrickPerkins]

KD should be a better rebounder than Lebron seeing as he's about 3 or 4 inches taller with a 7'6 wingspan. I wasn't trying to downplay Ray Allen, I was trying to make a point. That Kobe stan was trying to downplay all of Kobe's teammates to make his hero's failures last season seem acceptable, and I showed him that anyone's supporting cast can be downplayed. :confusedshrug:
Um, no. He's like an inch taller. Two at most.

[Boarder Patrol]

KD should be a better rebounder than Lebron seeing as he's about 3 or 4 inches taller with a 7'6 wingspan. I wasn't trying to downplay Ray Allen, I was trying to make a point. That Kobe stan was trying to downplay all of Kobe's teammates to make his hero's failures last season seem acceptable, and I showed him that anyone's supporting cast can be downplayed. :confusedshrug:


You hit the nail on the head. Durant's body allows him to grab more rebounds, it makes his jumper impossible to defend, and it allows him to come up with tons of steals and blocks on defense. LeBron's got strength but at this point KD's numbers speak for themselves.

[Joe Anderson]

An "inconsistent" Wade who carried Lebron throughout the finals while he was busy being locked by Boris Diaw:sleeping

A "can't rebound to save his life" Bosh who coincidently rebounded and assisted on the gamewinning shot that saved Lebron from another failed and choked up finals.:applause:

An "ancient" Ray whom hit the shot that saved Lebrons career :lol

Kobe didn't have the luxury last year of having a team so stacked that he could sit out the entire season come back at the end and find his team at 1st-3rd seed at worst :oldlol:

Why even begin to start an argument you know you've already lost?:lol
Wade carried Lebron through the finals?:roll:
That is rich! If that is the case where is Wade's finals MVP trophy? Why was Wade on the bench in game 6 as Lebron and a bunch of bench players led the Heat on that huge comeback? I'll admit Wade come up big in games 4 and 7, but considering the way he played in the previous rounds of the playoffs he owed Lebron those games. I guess Bosh and Allen coming up with ONE big play in game 6 makes up for them being no shows the rest of the playoffs? :biggums: Kids these days.

[rlsmooth775]

Its funny Kobe fans are backing durant as the NBAs best player based on stats but that also means James and Durant are both better than Kobe ever was. :lol

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron James is still easily better than Durant. he upped his scoring approach the last couple of games and if he keeps it that way he has a chance to win MVP yet again. his adding new things to his arsenal each game,too. hes also more athletic than ever since being in Miami. right now hes averaging 26,7,7 on 59% FG:biggums: thats insane.
I would give him MVP right now but if he gets something like 28,7,7 on 58%FG he HAS to win it:no:

[KendrickPerkins]

I guess Bosh and Allen coming up with ONE big play in game 6 makes up for them being no shows the rest of the playoffs? :biggums: Kids these days.
Um, yeah. You do know they were on the brink of elimination right. I don't care what they did or didn't do in the playoffs at that point. That was arguably the greatest shot in NBA Finals history. Arguably.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Its funny Kobe fans are backing durant as the NBAs best player based on stats but that also means James and Durant are both better than Kobe ever was. :lol
:roll: :roll:

[Boarder Patrol]

Its funny Kobe fans are backing durant as the NBAs best player based on stats but that also means James and Durant are both better than Kobe ever was. :lol

Just to clearly lay out my opinion for you:

Prime LeBron > Prime Kobe

Current Durant = Prime Kobe

Current Durant > Current LeBron

Peak LeBron > Current Durant

[KendrickPerkins]

Just to clearly lay out my opinion for you:

Prime LeBron > Prime Kobe

Current Durant = Prime Kobe

Current Durant > Current LeBron

Peak LeBron > Current Durant
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[JohnFreeman]

Wait until Heat v OKC. If I remember correctly LeBron went off.
http://youtu.be/UeB7pr3NpfE

[Boarder Patrol]

Wait until Heat v OKC. If I remember correctly LeBron went off.
http://youtu.be/UeB7pr3NpfE

LeBron does get the better of Durant head to head. Durant taking at least one this season is crucial if he wants so solidify himself as #1

[Joe Anderson]

Um, yeah. You do know they were on the brink of elimination right. I don't care what they did or didn't do in the playoffs at that point. That was arguably the greatest shot in NBA Finals history. Arguably.
The thing is if those 2 had done their jobs earlier in the playoffs the Heat probably wouldn't have been on the brink of elimination. While idiots like Skip Bayless will say that Lebron's struggles in the finals last year were completely psychological, anyone with basketball sense knows fatigue had a lot to do with it. If Ray and Bosh hadn't shot the ball so poorly during the Indiana series then there is no way the Pacers would have taken the Heat to 7 games, and thus Lebron would have had more time to rest up before the finals. In a way all Bosh and Allen did was clean up a mess they played a huge part in creating.

[LeBron 06]

KD must win the mvp and FMVP this year if he wants to be considered as the best player right now

LeBron won 2 FMVP and 2 MVP in the last two years, so it takes more than 38 regular seasons games to be considered better than LeBron

[rlsmooth775]

No Lebron is still the best player in the nba. Durant is only great playing at one pace

[Marlo_Stanfield]

The thing is if those 2 had done their jobs earlier in the playoffs the Heat probably wouldn't have been on the brink of elimination. While idiots like Skip Bayless will say that Lebron's struggles in the finals last year were completely psychological, anyone with basketball sense knows fatigue had a lot to do with it. If Ray and Bosh hadn't shot the ball so poorly during the Indiana series then there is no way the Pacers would have taken the Heat to 7 games, and thus Lebron would have had more time to rest up before the finals. In a way all Bosh and Allen did was clean up a mess they played a huge part in creating.
:applause: :applause:

[King Jane]

I would say Wade and Lebron are still better but they just coast, but Durant, particularly Dwight and a few others are really good too. IMO, the best players to have ever played the game are playing right now.

[JebronLames]

Many people said durant>lebron prior to 2012 finals.

[chazzy]

New accounts everywhere :eek:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

New accounts everywhere :eek:
this is getting out of hand:facepalm

[KendrickPerkins]

The thing is if those 2 had done their jobs earlier in the playoffs the Heat probably wouldn't have been on the brink of elimination. While idiots like Skip Bayless will say that Lebron's struggles in the finals last year were completely psychological, anyone with basketball sense knows fatigue had a lot to do with it. If Ray and Bosh hadn't shot the ball so poorly during the Indiana series then there is no way the Pacers would have taken the Heat to 7 games, and thus Lebron would have had more time to rest up before the finals. In a way all Bosh and Allen did was clean up a mess they played a huge part in creating.
Well, we could all play that game for almost any historically great player. If these guys didn't do this, didn't do that, if they DID do this, did do that, etc. It's just...horseshit to me. The fact is, is that they DID do that, no matter how bad they played. That play's gonna be remembered for years. I don't care if they were a combined 1/20 before that happened, that play alone single-handedly saved Lebrons legacy.

[JohnFreeman]

Well, we could all play that game for almost any historically great player. If these guys didn't do this, didn't do that, if they DID do this, did do that, etc. It's just...horseshit to me. The fact is, is that they DID do that, no matter how bad they played. That play's gonna be remembered for years. I don't care if they were a combined 1/20 before that happened, that play alone single-handedly saved Lebrons legacy.

Like Gasol and Artest in game 7?

[Boarder Patrol]

Like Gasol and Artest in game 7?

Kobe had 23 and 15 that game. Most points in the fourth quarter.

23 points on 24 points is bad efficiency but considering both teams were just chucking up bricks in a defensive battle it's not all bad.

[KendrickPerkins]

Like Gasol and Artest in game 7?
And Kobe is in this discussion, why? Do you assume i'm one of these Kobe stans' alt? :confusedshrug:

What i said is the truth, face it. No ifs or buts.

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe had 23 and 15 that game. Most points in the fourth quarter.

23 points on 24 points is bad efficiency but considering both teams were just chucking up bricks in a defensive battle it's not all bad.

It is bad when you get compared to Michael jordan all the time even when you were a rookie averaging like 8 points

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Well, we could all play that game for almost any historically great player. If these guys didn't do this, didn't do that, if they DID do this, did do that, etc. It's just...horseshit to me. The fact is, is that they DID do that, no matter how bad they played. That play's gonna be remembered for years. I don't care if they were a combined 1/20 before that happened, that play alone single-handedly saved Lebrons legacy.
thats so dumb i will only answer with this :biggums: :biggums:

[Joe Anderson]

Like Gasol and Artest in game 7?
NO, that is completely different! Kobe stans say so. :lol

[JohnFreeman]

NO, that is completely different! Kobe stans say so. :lol

There is no reasoning with them.

[Milbuck]

Man Durant's a beast can't wait till he joins the Bucks and becomes our Kukoc to to Giannis (MJ) Sanders (dennis) and B-knight (Pip)

[Boarder Patrol]

NO, that is completely different! Kobe stans say so. :lol

23 and 15 in a game 7 is pretty impressive, even if it took 24 shots :confusedshrug: AND he held Ray Allen to 3-14 shooting.

Also, the Lakers as a team only shot 32.5% that game, it's not much of a drop off.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

23 and 15 in a game 7 is pretty impressive, even if it took 24 shots :confusedshrug: AND he held Ray Allen to 3-14 shooting.

Also, the Lakers as a team only shot 32.5% that game, it's not much of a drop off.
Kobe Bryant is a very overrated high volume scorer with low efficency who doesnt impact the game like true all time greats did. better deal with it sooner than later

[Joe Anderson]

Kobe had 23 and 15 that game. Most points in the fourth quarter.

23 points on 24 points is bad efficiency but considering both teams were just chucking up bricks in a defensive battle it's not all bad.
:biggums: Now matter how you try to justify it, there is no way that shooting 6-24 in a game 7 of the finals is not bad! The majority of his points in that 4th quarter came via the charity stripe, as the officials were bailing out Kobe and his teammates left and right over those final 12 minutes. :coleman:

[JebronLames]

Kobe Bryant is a very overrated high volume scorer with low efficency who doesnt impact the game like true all time greats did. better deal with it sooner than later

Great post :applause: plus kobe should only have 4 rings(2002*sacramento kings)

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Great post :applause: plus kobe should only have 4 rings(2002*sacramento kings)
that is a whole other story. dont even get me started on that one:facepalm

[Boarder Patrol]

:biggums: Now matter how you try to justify it, there is no way that shooting 6-24 in a game 7 of the finals is not bad! The majority of his points in that 4th quarter came via the charity stripe, as the officials were bailing out Kobe and his teammates left and right over those final 12 minutes. :coleman:

But his efficiency was on par with his team's efficiency. Obviously you want your star to shoot better than the rest of the team, but for a shooting guard, shooting in line with your team on the whole is fine.

Did you watch the finals? :biggums: It was a defensive war, of course guys aren't gonna be hitting 50%

Not to mention he shut down Ray Allen and got 15 boards :biggums:

[Milbuck]

Man Kobe shoulda just dominated like Lebron and scored 8 points. He still has a chance to do it, if he came to my Bucks he could be our #4 behind B-knight Giannis and Sandman

[J Shuttlesworth]

Well, we could all play that game for almost any historically great player. If these guys didn't do this, didn't do that, if they DID do this, did do that, etc. It's just...horseshit to me. The fact is, is that they DID do that, no matter how bad they played. That play's gonna be remembered for years. I don't care if they were a combined 1/20 before that happened, that play alone single-handedly saved Lebrons legacy.
Meh it's always such a stretch saying that a single play saved LeBron's legacy. You could say the same exact thing about the play before where LeBron made a 3. LeBron had a triple double and willed his team back into the game with a ton of second half points. Failed team accomplishments don't ruin a superstars entire legacy :coleman:

[JohnFreeman]

Great post :applause: plus kobe should only have 4 rings(2002*sacramento kings)

DING DING DING

[Milbuck]

:roll: at Ray "saving lebron's legacy" with one shot. the dude still had 4 mvps a ring and a finals mvp. It woulda given trolls a lot of material but he would still have like 10 years to compensate for it

[Marlo_Stanfield]

But his efficiency was on par with his team's efficiency. Obviously you want your star to shoot better than the rest of the team, but for a shooting guard, shooting in line with your team on the whole is fine.

Did you watch the finals? :biggums: It was a defensive war, of course guys aren't gonna be hitting 50%

Not to mention he shut down Ray Allen and got 15 boards :biggums:
Kobe is overrated

[Milbuck]

Kobe is overrated

Don't talk **** about Kob he's gonna come win a ring with my Bucks soon

[KendrickPerkins]

Meh it's always such a stretch saying that a single play saved LeBron's legacy. You could say the same exact thing about the play before where LeBron made a 3. LeBron had a triple double and willed his team back into the game with a ton of second half points. Failed team accomplishments don't ruin a superstars entire legacy :coleman:
Willed his team back? He went 1/4 in the final 4 minutes with THREE turnovers. If anything, he was part of the reason why they were in that hole.

And then what do you know, your boy just completely saved the day.

[JebronLames]

DING DING DING
Must have been brutal for kings fans in 2002. Don't even want to think about what that felt like.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Willed his team back? He went 1/4 in the final 4 minutes with THREE turnovers. If anything, he was part of the reason why they were in that hole.

And then what do you know, your boy just completely saved the day.
:yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[JebronLames]

Willed his team back? He went 1/4 in the final 4 minutes with THREE turnovers. If anything, he was part of the reason why they were in that hole.

And then what do you know, your boy just completely saved the day.

He had the game winning shot in OT :basketball

[KendrickPerkins]

He had the game winning shot in OT :basketball
:confusedshrug:

[pauk]

What PER tells is that KD is microscopically producing better overall stats per minute/possession based on their points system.....

KD being "officially the best player" this way is the same as for example.....

Lebron James being best in 2005:

1. Lebron James 28.06
2. Kobe Bryant 27.97

Tracy McGrady being better than Shaquille O'Neal in 2002:

1. Tracy McGrady 30.27
2. Shaquille O'Neal 29.49

Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone or David Robinson being best in 1997-98:

1. Shaquille O'Neal 28.79
2. Karl Malone 27.92
3. David Robinson 27.89
4. Michael Jordan 25.24

Karl Malone being better than Michael Jordan in 1996:

1. Karl Malone 28.90
2. Michael Jordan 27.76

David Robinson being better than Michael Jordan in 1995:

1. David Robinson 29.41
2. Michael Jordan 29.35


and so on and so on...................


Budadiiiiiii, KD is great, but his time has not come yet, be patient....

[secund2nun]

Lebron is better even when he is coasting and KD is playing very hard.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Willed his team back? He went 1/4 in the final 4 minutes with THREE turnovers. If anything, he was part of the reason why they were in that hole.

And then what do you know, your boy just completely saved the day.
The only reason his team was in a position to be able to win is because of the run Bron went on after his headband fell. They were down 11 until he picked it up both offensively and defensively. That was a pretty key component of that game.

Of course you still pay no mind to the fact that he hit the 3 before Allen's 3 as well...

[hahaitme]

What PER tells is that KD is microscopically producing better overall stats per minute/possession based on their points system.....

KD being "officially the best player" this way is the same as for example.....

Lebron James being best in 2005:

1. Lebron James 28.06
2. Kobe Bryant 27.97

Tracy McGrady being better than Shaquille O'Neal in 2002:

1. Tracy McGrady 30.27
2. Shaquille O'Neal 29.49

Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone or David Robinson being best in 1997-98:

1. Shaquille O'Neal 28.79
2. Karl Malone 27.92
3. David Robinson 27.89
4. Michael Jordan 25.24

Karl Malone being better than Michael Jordan in 1996:

1. Karl Malone 28.90
2. Michael Jordan 27.76

David Robinson being better than Michael Jordan in 1995:

1. David Robinson 29.41
2. Michael Jordan 29.35


and so on and so on...................


Budadiiiiiii, KD is great, but his time has not come yet, be patient....

pauk preaches the truth :rockon:

[SacJB Shady]

KD got whooped in the finals by James. The Heat dominated. And Durant was playing with Westbrook and Harden as well.

[King Jane]

Durant will surpass Lebron only after Lebron retires

[Milbuck]

Not even a Lebron fan but anyone with a normal set of chromosomes can see that Lebron is coasting like never before while Durant pretty much has a free pass to do whatever the **** he wants. KD's gonna take over the #2 spot from Lebron eventually, but let's not got ahead of ourselves just yet.

[Boarder Patrol]

Not even a Lebron fan but anyone with a normal set of chromosomes can see that Lebron is coasting like never before while Durant pretty much has a free pass to do whatever the **** he wants. KD's gonna take over the #2 spot from Lebron eventually, but let's not got ahead of ourselves just yet.

Who's #1, B-Night? :oldlol:

[Illuminati]

KendrickPerkins = Fudge. You can tell fairly easily.

[KendrickPerkins]

KendrickPerkins = Fudge. You can tell fairly easily.
You're paranoid, bro. That's all.

[ihoopallday]

:roll: :roll: :roll: These are all old posters, just with new accounts. Damn Jeff why you have to open up registrations

[Marlo_Stanfield]

What PER tells is that KD is microscopically producing better overall stats per minute/possession based on their points system.....

KD being "officially the best player" this way is the same as for example.....

Lebron James being best in 2005:

1. Lebron James 28.06
2. Kobe Bryant 27.97

Tracy McGrady being better than Shaquille O'Neal in 2002:

1. Tracy McGrady 30.27
2. Shaquille O'Neal 29.49

Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone or David Robinson being best in 1997-98:

1. Shaquille O'Neal 28.79
2. Karl Malone 27.92
3. David Robinson 27.89
4. Michael Jordan 25.24

Karl Malone being better than Michael Jordan in 1996:

1. Karl Malone 28.90
2. Michael Jordan 27.76

David Robinson being better than Michael Jordan in 1995:

1. David Robinson 29.41
2. Michael Jordan 29.35


and so on and so on...................


Budadiiiiiii, KD is great, but his time has not come yet, be patient....
u dont have to ether em so hard doe:bowdown:

[Milbuck]

Who's #1, B-Night? :oldlol:

Tie between him and Giannis. I could see Giannis taking the #1 to himself though, bumping B-knight to #2 and Bron/Kd to #3/#4

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:roll: :roll: :roll: These are all old posters, just with new accounts. Damn Jeff why you have to open up registrations
Jun2011:facepalm :facepalm :coleman:

[ihoopallday]

Jun2011:facepalm :facepalm :coleman:

I know there are some new posters, but I'd say the majority are all alts

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I know there are some new posters, but I'd say the majority are all alts
probably right.
i lurked since 11 doe and missed or fcked up everytime registration opened. now im part of the worst draft class in recen history:facepalm

[ILLsmak]

check out the ewa differential, lebron should be ashamed

ewa specific player

-Smak

[Joyner82reload]

Durant's numbers without Westbrook
34.2 ppg 8.6 rpg 5.4 apg 1.9 TOV 35.1 PER .374 WSp48

By the way, the record for PER is Wilt in 61-62 @ 31.94 and WSp48 is Kareem in 72-73 @ .339

:bowdown:

[chazzy]

Joyner82reload
:lol

[ImKobe]

KD deserves the MVP this year.

[Joyner82reload]

If Durant continues his averages without Westbrook, he would set the record for PER, WSp48, Offensive Rating, Win Shares, ORTG, and TOV% :lol and end the season averaging 32/9/6 2.4 TOV 63 TS% 32.7 PER .357 WSp48. That would be undoubtedly the greatest regular season in league history.

[VIntageNOvel]

If Durant continues his averages without Westbrook, he would set the record for PER, WSp48, Offensive Rating, Win Shares, ORTG, and TOV% :lol and end the season averaging 32/9/6 2.4 TOV 63 TS% 32.7 PER .357 WSp48. That would be undoubtedly the greatest regular season in league history.

joyner :bowdown:

[oarabbus]

If Durant continues his averages without Westbrook, he would set the record for PER, WSp48, Offensive Rating, Win Shares, ORTG, and TOV% :lol and end the season averaging 32/9/6 2.4 TOV 63 TS% 32.7 PER .357 WSp48. That would be undoubtedly the greatest regular season in league history.


Holy shyt and don't forget that puts Durant at a 91.5966 PER:WSp48 ratio, which was thought to be impossible previously :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Combat Wombat]

If Durant continues his averages without Westbrook, he would set the record for PER, WSp48, Offensive Rating, Win Shares, ORTG, and TOV% :lol and end the season averaging 32/9/6 2.4 TOV 63 TS% 32.7 PER .357 WSp48. That would be undoubtedly the greatest regular season in league history.

But-but-but Lebrons FG%!!!!!

[BlazerRed]

If Durant continues his averages without Westbrook, he would set the record for PER, WSp48, Offensive Rating, Win Shares, ORTG, and TOV% :lol and end the season averaging 32/9/6 2.4 TOV 63 TS% 32.7 PER .357 WSp48. That would be undoubtedly the greatest regular season in league history.

:eek: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[FrobeShaw]

If Durant continues his averages without Westbrook, he would set the record for PER, WSp48, Offensive Rating, Win Shares, ORTG, and TOV% :lol and end the season averaging 32/9/6 2.4 TOV 63 TS% 32.7 PER .357 WSp48. That would be undoubtedly the greatest regular season in league history.
:applause:

[russwest0]

If Durant continues his averages without Westbrook, he would set the record for PER, WSp48, Offensive Rating, Win Shares, ORTG, and TOV% :lol and end the season averaging 32/9/6 2.4 TOV 63 TS% 32.7 PER .357 WSp48. That would be undoubtedly the greatest regular season in league history.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[knicksman]

What PER tells is that KD is microscopically producing better overall stats per minute/possession based on their points system.....

KD being "officially the best player" this way is the same as for example.....

Lebron James being best in 2005:

1. Lebron James 28.06
2. Kobe Bryant 27.97

Tracy McGrady being better than Shaquille O'Neal in 2002:

1. Tracy McGrady 30.27
2. Shaquille O'Neal 29.49

Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone or David Robinson being best in 1997-98:

1. Shaquille O'Neal 28.79
2. Karl Malone 27.92
3. David Robinson 27.89
4. Michael Jordan 25.24

Karl Malone being better than Michael Jordan in 1996:

1. Karl Malone 28.90
2. Michael Jordan 27.76

David Robinson being better than Michael Jordan in 1995:

1. David Robinson 29.41
2. Michael Jordan 29.35


and so on and so on...................


Budadiiiiiii, KD is great, but his time has not come yet, be patient....

this just shows PER is overrated without context. Lebron has higher PER because of statpadding but when it comes to net impact, Durant is better than him. Lebron is reducing the impact of his teammates unlike durant and jordan

[dilley]

lmao this is 9 pages long, props Budadiiii

[Lebron23]

I am gonna Bump this thread after January 30. Last year Durant was also leading the MVP race until Lebron out played him in their head to head match up, and LBJ having a great 2nd half of the season.

LBJ is playing less minutes, and taking fewer shot attempts this season because Miami's main goal is to win their 3rd straight nba championship. The Heat have the chance to be the first team since the 1984 to 1987 Boston Celtics to play in four straight NBA Finals.

[knicksman]

Great post :applause: plus kobe should only have 4 rings(2002*sacramento kings)

well donaghy also said stern wants lebron to win so lebrons rings are all with *

[maybeshewill13]

I am gonna Bump this thread after January 30. Last year Durant was also leading the MVP race until Lebron out played him in their head to head match up, and LBJ having a great 2nd half of the season.

LBJ is playing less minutes, and taking fewer shot attempts this season because he's more worried about his field goal percentage than winning. The Heat have the chance to be the first team since the 1984 to 1987 Boston Celtics to play in four straight NBA Finals.

:applause:

[Lebron23]

well donaghy also said stern wants lebron to win so lebrons rings are all with *


You are still a bitter knicks fan. Lebron have the same number of NBA titles as your nearly 65 yrs.old franchise.

Lebron >>>> Knicks

PS

Stop pretending that you are a knicks fan. You are a Kobetard.

[FrobeShaw]

You are still a bitter knicks fan. Lebron have the same number of NBA titles as your nearly 65 yrs.old franchise.

Fun fact: multiple franchises have been created and won titles since the last time the Knicks won. :applause:

[Lebron23]

Fun fact: multiple franchises have been created and won titles since the last time the Knicks won. :applause:


Miami is one of the youngest franchises in the league. and they already won 3 NBA titles.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Miami is one of the youngest franchises in the league. and they already won 3 NBA titles.

why do you care you're a CAVs an

[maybeshewill13]

why do you care you're a CAVs an

:lol

[Lebron23]

why do you care you're a CAVs an


You are also a player fan just like me. If the hornets didn't traded Kobe, You'll be a Hornets fan.

[maybeshewill13]

I am a Lebron dick fan

:biggums:

[Combat Wombat]

why do you care you're a CAVs an

:bowdown:

[JebronLames]

well donaghy also said stern wants lebron to win so lebrons rings are all with *
Pacers and spurs got more calls last year.

[mistergreens]

Who owould you rather have on your team?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron right now is the GOAT and will always be better than Durant. who watched the last few games and thinks LeBron couldnt average 32 PPG on 55+%FG is insane. he could average 36 PPg on 50+% EASILY. he scores with EASE right now. he just is trying to become the most complete player ever with his passing and also wants his teammates to get good shots to stay engaged.
lebron could EASILY average 35 PPG

[Knicks014Champs]

When Melo and LeBron retires maybe, probably no.

[HurricaneKid]

An "inconsistent" Wade who carried Lebron throughout the finals while he was busy being locked by Boris Diaw:sleeping

Why even begin to start an argument you know you've already lost?

Look, the new guy is trying to win an award for the worst poster ever.

With Wade on the floor Miami was -54 points in the series. But he carried LeBron??

You are well on your way buddy.

[russwest0]

Look, the new guy is trying to win an award for the worst poster ever.

With Wade on the floor Miami was -54 points in the series. But he carried LeBron??

You are well on your way buddy.

But I thought LeBron made his teammates better?

[Milbuck]

When Melo and LeBron retires maybe, probably no.

Lazy trolling man

[LeBron 06]

But I thought LeBron made his teammates better?


Wade was not heathly in the playoffs last year......

[Illuminati]

Damn LeBron starting to get really underrated on this board, after back-to-back MVPs, Championships, Finals MVPs, you would think differently, no?:facepalm

[inclinerator]

joyner the guy that said durant would go from 30 to 35-36 ppg per game a few years back :lol :lol

[Prometheus]

When Melo and LeBron retires maybe, probably no.


:hammerhead:

[Budadiiii]

If Durant continues his averages without Westbrook, he would set the record for PER, WSp48, Offensive Rating, Win Shares, ORTG, and TOV% :lol and end the season averaging 32/9/6 2.4 TOV 63 TS% 32.7 PER .357 WSp48. That would be undoubtedly the greatest regular season in league history.
http://www.nsmbl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Head-Nod.gif


Welcome back brother. :applause: