Cristiano Ronaldo 2013 Ballon D'Or Winner

[ArbitraryWater]

Finally :rockon: :rockon:

This guy is undisuputed Top 10 All Time :bowdown: :bowdown:

Like Wenger said 2 years ago, "Cristiano won't rest until he gets his ballon d'or..."

Justice has happened. A year too late, but still.

[Ed Wachter]

I don't know what a balloon door is.

[FrobeShaw]

A year too late, but still.

He had zero case last year. He finally beat Messi. Congratulations? He's at his absolute peak while Messi is still young as hell.

[CeltsGarlic]

He had zero case last year. He finally beat Messi. Congratulations? He's at his absolute peak while Messi is still young as hell.

Lol cant wait till Messi declines first. Dude was taking his growth pills like candies, so there is no way dude career lasts long.

[Trollsmasher]

the two GOATs on the podium:bowdown:

[b1imtf]

He had zero case last year. He finally beat Messi. Congratulations? He's at his absolute peak while Messi is still young as hell.
Two year difference :rolleyes:

[ArbitraryWater]

He had zero case last year. He finally beat Messi. Congratulations? He's at his absolute peak while Messi is still young as hell.

0 Case last year? BWAHAHAH

League Title! Scored all the important goals, 3 el clasico goals&2 CL SF Goals opposed to Messi's 0 in both. Messi=No show in CL vs Chelsea&El Clasico, Ronaldo delivered the season winning goal :bowdown:

Ronaldo's Greatness :cry: :cry: :cry:

So Emotional...

[RagaZ]

Probably the best shot he had at winning one.

Cant see him winning in a World Cup year(its usually the star on the WC-Winners that gets it) and in 2015 he would already be 31 years old.

[ArbitraryWater]

You mean 2013? It's 2014 now btw :oldlol:

No, 2012. Honestly not even sure Messi ever was the best, gave it to him out of respect for '09&'11 due to CL, but Ronaldo was at the top of the football world ever since 2012. In 2013, he finally has been crowned for it. :applause:

[Numero 10]

GODnaldo :bowdown:

the best in the world.

[ArbitraryWater]

[QUOTE=Shade8780]I always heard that Messi was better than Maradona or Pel

[highwhey]

:applause:

[alenleomessi]

[QUOTE=Shade8780]I always heard that Messi was better than Maradona or Pel

[ArbitraryWater]

CR top 20, messi top 5

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-04-21/1240266540309.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

Check out Wikipedia Page.

Trolling, having Bendtner on there on the XI Team on every position :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or

[mr.big35]

You have to see how you will perform in the World Cup. Messi will have better world cup than Ronaldo.

[knickballer]

GOAT gonna GOAT

[alenleomessi]

messi today and CR last year when messi won it
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1551553_10152145713775469_1950044429_n.jpg
you cant buy class.

[Swedish Chef]

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[BigTicket]

Finally :rockon: :rockon:

Why "finally" ?

He's won this award once before.

[Trollsmasher]

messi today and CR last year when messi won it
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1551553_10152145713775469_1950044429_n.jpg
you cant buy class.
By the time Messi's slow brain got what happened, they already cut him off.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why "finally" ?

He's won this award once before.

You don't say sherlock.

Don't tell me, life long Ronaldo Fan here.

I think the "finally" is pretty appropriated seing how he waited 4 years for this, visable in his reaction...

[ArbitraryWater]

messi today and CR last year when messi won it
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1551553_10152145713775469_1950044429_n.jpg
you cant buy class.

If Ronaldo would have been gifted so many of them there is no need to make any faces. BTW lol at 1 sec cut off pics...

[CeltsGarlic]

CR top 20, messi top 5
http://i.imgur.com/5F798od.gif

[Andrei89]

If Ronaldo would have been gifted so many of them there is no need to make any faces. BTW lol at 1 sec cut off pics...

He could have been chewing gum for all we know and then: boom snapshot

AlenLeoMessi is, and I am fairly certain, the most retarded poster here.

[b1imtf]

Don't tell me, life long Ronaldo Fan here.

Since when?

[jamal99]

messi today and CR last year when messi won it
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1551553_10152145713775469_1950044429_n.jpg
you cant buy class.
Pure class
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfROdza2xAU

http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/gallery/gimages/hx17yxxw.jpg

Probably the slimiest star in modern football...
Even HGH can't cure midget complex.

[RagaZ]

Messi will be the greatest player when all is said and done.

C.R is in the 5-8 range.

[CelticBaller]

messi today and CR last year when messi won it
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1551553_10152145713775469_1950044429_n.jpg
you cant buy class.
i don't watch futbol but messi seems awesome

[knickballer]

Pure class
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfROdza2xAU

http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/gallery/gimages/hx17yxxw.jpg

Probably the slimiest star in modern football...
Even HGH can't cure midget complex.


:roll: :roll:

Never seen such vile words come from you but it's the da truth

[alenleomessi]

Pure class
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfROdza2xAU

http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/gallery/gimages/hx17yxxw.jpg

Probably the slimiest star in modern football...
Even HGH can't cure midget complex.
yeah? and how is life as a tall freak that doesnt play any sports?

[9erempiree]

CR and Messi are the best players of this generation and pretty much tied for the greatest of all time.

One more Ballon from CR and he surpasses Messi

[9erempiree]

Even though CR won the award is a joke when Messi finished #2.:facepalm

[brownmamba00]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bd5Hz-qCQAASDgr.png:large

[9erempiree]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bd5Hz-qCQAASDgr.png:large

wtf is that.

That is Messi's girl sitting on his lap.

:oldlol:

[speed-kills]

Ronaldo had the best individual year of any player and that's why he won the Ballon D'or. I love the Supercopa de Espana but winning that does not get you a golden ball.

It is going to take a lot more than winning another meaningless award (Ballon D'or, Might as well call it the Messi) for Ronaldo to be better than Messi. Cristiano isn't even better than the Real Ronaldo, or the other real Ronaldo, Ronaldinho.

Football is a team sport, but the Golden Ball is an individual award. The best players make their teams better. That's why Xavi and Iniesta get so much love and why Lahm should of won the Ballon D'or.

I'll take the man who is a match winner rather than someone scores 100 meaningless goals any day. The rub about Football is that it takes both to win a match. Save the stat padding for American sports. If it wasn't for FC Barcelona and Messi Cristiano would have at least one leg to stand on for his claim of being the goat. Why didn't Jordan win the MVP every year? :banghead:

[knickballer]

Ronaldo had the best individual year of any player and that's why he won the Ballon D'or. I love the Supercopa de Espana but winning that does not get you a golden ball.

It is going to take a lot more than winning another meaningless award (Ballon D'or, Might as well call it the Messi) for Ronaldo to be better than Messi. Cristiano isn't even better than the Real Ronaldo, or the other real Ronaldo, Ronaldinho.

Football is a team sport, but the Golden Ball is an individual award. The best players make their teams better. That's why Xavi and Iniesta get so much love and why Lahm should of won the Ballon D'or.

I'll take the man who is a match winner rather than someone scores 100 meaningless goals any day. The rub about Football is that it takes both to win a match. Save the stat padding for American sports. If it wasn't for FC Barcelona and Messi Cristiano would have at least one leg to stand on for his claim of being the goat. Why didn't Jordan win the MVP every year? :banghead:

I stopped reading at that :banghead:

Ronaldhino really? Although Fat Ronaldo is an all-time great he's not near CR7

BTW, I've never came across anyone under 5'8 who doesn't like Messi and who hates CRonaldo.

[knickballer]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bd5NcmcCIAAp5Yp.jpg

Everyone wants a piece of CR7

[alenleomessi]

I stopped reading at that :banghead:

Ronaldhino really? Although Fat Ronaldo is an all-time great he's not near CR7

BTW, I've never came across anyone under 5'8 who doesn't like Messi and who hates CRonaldo.
you serious?

[speed-kills]

If you starting watching Football in 2007 I could see your argument. I won't paste their stats or cups, but the players I mentioned have something Messi and Ronaldo don't have. Talk to me after the Summer is over.

[CelticBaller]

Dayum he's 5'7 and he's that successful? why does he get all the hate? that dude is awesome :oldlol:
Not only that but it's because of genetic deficiency? dope

[alenleomessi]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bd5Hz-qCQAASDgr.png:large
this is actually pretty good :lol

[b1imtf]

I stopped reading at that :banghead:

Ronaldhino really? Although Fat Ronaldo is an all-time great he's not near CR7

BTW, I've never came across anyone under 5'8 who doesn't like Messi and who hates CRonaldo.
:biggums:
I'd take CR knowing R9's injury history, plus I'm biased, but nowhere near? C'mon man...

[alenleomessi]

Dayum he's 5'7 and he's that successful? why does he get all the hate? that dude is awesome :oldlol:
great players always get hated no matter what

there is no aspect in messi's life or game that deserves to be hated though.. unlike lebron, kobe, tiger and some others for example who did some things to be hated..

[CelticBaller]

great players always get hated no matter what

there is no aspect in messi's life or game that deserves to be hated though.. unlike lebron, kobe, tiger and some others for example who did some things to be hated..
ronaldo looks cool, but he's kind of that perfect athlete ala tom brady. messi looks dorky and funny ala peyton

Well if he has haters he's doing something right i guess

[The_Yearning]

Lmao no Ozil or Vidal in the starting 11.

[b1imtf]

If you starting watching Football in 2007 I could see your argument. I won't paste their stats or cups, but the players I mentioned have something Messi and Ronaldo don't have. Talk to me after the Summer is over.
Put Messi or Ronaldo in those Brazil teams and they still win. They may even win in '06.

[alenleomessi]

Put Messi or Ronaldo in those Brazil teams and they still win. They may even win in '06.
yeah no shit, current messi and CR... Ronaldo would have won all three if he was at his peak too.. so kind of shitty logic you use there.

[alenleomessi]

Lmao no Ozil or Vidal in the starting 11.
now vidal is a guy that is criminally underrated
im not sure if casual fans know who he is..

[b1imtf]

yeah no shit, current messi and CR... Ronaldo would have won all three if he was at his peak too.. so kind of shitty logic you use there.
He said that the brazilians were better than CR7 and Messi because they had world cups, I was just saying they never had a NT as good as those.

[speed-kills]

Put Messi or Ronaldo in those Brazil teams and they still win. They may even win in '06.

That's my point exactly. It's a team sport, but we are talking about individual awards. The reason Barca wins so much is because they have the best players and best system. Same with Bayern last year.

No one man can win a match by himself. 11 vs 1. Who makes their team better? Who wins more cups? Does Messi have to play in the MLS to show everyone he is the best? The best players play on the best teams. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I have seen the Ballon's D'ors in the Barca museum. Not just the ones Messi won. It brings honor to the club but no where near the level of what a Champion's League Cup brings. Come back to me when Ronaldo wins La Decima if it ever happens during our lifetime.

[b1imtf]

That's my point exactly. It's a team sport, but we are talking about individual awards. The reason Barca wins so much is because they have the best players and best system. Same with Bayern last year.

No one man can win a match by himself. 11 vs 1. Who makes their team better? Who wins more cups? Does Messi have to play in the MLS to show everyone he is the best? The best players play on the best teams. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I have seen the Ballon's D'ors in the Barca museum. Not just the ones Messi won. It brings honor to the club but no where near the level of what a Champion's League Cup brings. Come back to me when Ronaldo wins La Decima if it ever happens during our lifetime.
Never argued otherwise :biggums:
I doubt it happens with this Real team.

[9erempiree]

Come back to me when Ronaldo wins La Decima if it ever happens during our lifetime.

You act like he needs to win La Decima to prove himself when he's already won with Manchester. :facepalm

[Trollsmasher]

great players always get hated no matter what

there is no aspect in messi's life or game that deserves to be hated though.. unlike lebron, kobe, tiger and some others for example who did some things to be hated..
When did Lebron cheat on his taxes, spit on the opposite players or kick the ball into the fans from 3 yards out with full power, almost killing a kid in process?

[9erempiree]

When did Lebron cheat on his taxes, spit on the opposite players or kick the ball into the fans from 3 yards out with full power, almost killing a kid in process?

Don't bother with him. Just look at his screen name. :facepalm

[jamal99]

:roll: :roll:

Never seen such vile words come from you but it's the da truth
I was in a bad mood when I wrote it, but I don't think it's far from the truth.


yeah? and how is life as a tall freak that doesnt play any sports?
Pretty good. Playing pick up ball twice a week and finishing last year of university (international economy).
Really tall>>>midget

Now be a good boy and go suck Messi's dick...

[speed-kills]

You act like he needs to win La Decima to prove himself when he's already won with Manchester. :facepalm

Has Messi never won any? I forget.

Everyone talks about how great he is because he dominates in the EPL and La Liga. Hmm.

I am talking about if he can ever be mentioned among the greats not when.

[b1imtf]

Has Messi never won any? I forget.

Everyone talks about how great he is because he dominates in the EPL and La Liga. Hmm.

I am talking about if he can ever be mentioned among the greats not when.
To me, he can.

[alenleomessi]

I was in a bad mood when I wrote it, but I don't think it's far from the truth.


Pretty good. Playing pick up ball twice a week and finishing last year of university (international economy).
Really tall>>>midget

Now be a good boy and go suck Messi's dick...
he is far from midget.. the average male height in the world is what? 5'9.. he is 5'7.. you are over one f*cking foot over the average.. who is the freak?

[jamal99]

he is far from midget.. the average male height in the world is what? 5'9.. he is 5'7.. you are over one f*cking foot over the average.. who is the freak?
The one who had to use HGH to barely get to 5'7.
The way he looks at Cristiano, jelly as ****...

[knickballer]

he is far from midget.. the average male height in the world is what? 5'9.. he is 5'7.. you are over one f*cking foot over the average.. who is the freak?

Let me guess you're under 5'8?

[speed-kills]

To me Cristiano Ronaldo is definitely in the discussion, but under no circumstances is he the goat or the best player playing today.

If anyone wants to prove to me otherwise, Please do.

Winning La Liga, La Decima, and the World Cup this year might change my mind.

Barca already won the Supercopa this season. Madird didn't and Bayern didn't(DFL-Supercup).

[alenleomessi]

The one who had to use HGH to barely get to 5'7.
The way he looks at Cristiano, jelly as ****...
when you have a SERIOUS problem you get a treatment.. wasnt there a serbian guy without legs and arms that lived a normal life... you hate on him too?

not sure why would he be jealous of CR.. he has a better resume so far, nice family.. and he is definitely more liked around the world..

[alenleomessi]

Let me guess you're under 5'8?
nope

[dannywpt]

People tend to forget that C. Ronaldo dominated world football from 2007-2009 and was widely regarded the best player in the world for that period. He has dominated for 3 or 4 years before Messi. Messi top 5 GOAT, but Ronaldo just top 20? Nope, just nope.

[speed-kills]

People tend to forget that C. Ronaldo dominated world football from 2007-2009 and was widely regarded the best player in the world for that period. He has dominated for 3 or 4 years before Messi. Messi top 5 GOAT, but Ronaldo just top 20? Nope, just nope.

What's your definition of dominating? Chelsea lost the cup to United in 08. Van der sar was the man of the match. In 07 Kaka would have a little something to say about who dominated. 09 well, we all remember how that Champions League final ended. 06 we are getting back to one of my favorites: Ronaldinho.

You want to talk goals or league titles go ahead. To each his own I guess.

[jamal99]

when you have a SERIOUS problem you get a treatment.. wasnt there a serbian guy without legs and arms that lived a normal life... you hate on him too?
Maybe HGH made him a player he is today? And I don't hate him, he just seems like a huge douchebag and irritates me that most casual fans think he's a much better person than CR when he clearly isn't imo...


not sure why would he be jealous of CR.. he has a better resume so far, nice family.. and he is definitely more liked around the world..
Tall, handsome, freak athlete... Not everything is about sport resume in which he is only better because he played in Barcelona system whole career so far. CR dominated EPL and La Liga.

[9erempiree]

It's one thing to get treatment for certain diseases that may affect the quality of life.

In Messi's case, his life and the quality of life wasn't threatened by this supposed disease.

He was given steroids for footballing reasons. They gave him steroids so he can grow to become a soccer player.

It's like that NFL or NBA player that was taking steroids because he had the potential to be great. It's ok to give them steroids because he's only 6 feet and we want him to grow to be a 6'6'' shooting guard.

:facepalm

[alenleomessi]

What's your definition of dominating? Chelsea lost the cup to United in 08. Van der sar was the man of the match. In 07 Kaka would have a little something to say about who dominated. 09 well, we all remember how that Champions League final ended. 06 we are getting back to one of my favorites: Ronaldinho.

You want to talk goals or league titles go ahead. To each his own I guess.
he has a case for 2008 but those two missed penalties in the semi and the final kind of blows it

[9erempiree]

To me Cristiano Ronaldo is definitely in the discussion, but under no circumstances is he the goat or the best player playing today.

If anyone wants to prove to me otherwise, Please do.

Winning La Liga, La Decima, and the World Cup this year might change my mind.

Barca already won the Supercopa this season. Madird didn't and Bayern didn't(DFL-Supercup).

In any case, it's going to be hard for Messi to win another Ballon D'or, since he's been average and on the decline. Just look at all those injuries he's accumulated. He's very young too and to be hurt all the time is not good.

Sadly, I don't think he will win another Ballon award, not with CR keeping this form up.

Maybe when CR is on the decline or retires then Messi can claim the spot as best player but unlikely because Neymar is up and coming.

[speed-kills]

he has a case for 2008 but those two missed penalties in the semi and the final kind of blows it

Yes sir. Exactly right. I don't see a way to argue against facts.

Plus here's an article for all you amateur doctors. These questions are going to get a lot messi'er in the future with DNA and medical technology improving. I don't know if Messi would be alive today without those treatments.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1492546-lionel-messi-and-hgh-the-truth-about-the-best-footballer-in-the-world

I am exciting for the first robotic league to happen though.

[blablabla]

surprise surprise

[9erempiree]

Messi needs everything to click on his team to be successful. Where Ronaldo is pretty much carrying that less than stellar RM team.

CR has to carry a no defense playing, striker can't score and multiple lineup of a team.

Go look at all those games where CR was the only guy to score for Real and they would barely win because of him carrying them.

There is no player in history that can single handed carry his team like Cr.

Yes, it's a team game but if CR is the only one scoring for his team, it tells you a lot.

Also, this award is significant because CR is one of 10 players ever to win multiple times. That is already top 10 GOAT.

[VIntageNOvel]

CR is more complete player, just like lebron,
taller, can shoot with both foot, quick, etc

messi is just unstoppable and a fantasista

both is on top right now, but 2013 accomplishment wise they should give it to the german, schweinsteiger or muller

[9erempiree]

CR is more complete player, just like lebron,
taller, can shoot with both foot, quick, etc

messi is just unstoppable and a fantasista

both is on top right now, but 2013 accomplishment wise they should give it to the german, schweinsteiger or muller

It's officially the CR7 era.

[B-Easy8]

Ribery got robbed.

People don't watch German football.

They see Bayern play a few games against English teams then in the final and become experts.

[RagaZ]

Ribery got robbed.

People don't watch German football.

They see Bayern play a few games against English teams then in the final and become experts.
Why would people watch a boring non-competitive league?

Ribery didnt score a single goal in the Knock Out stages last year.

[Mr Feeny]

At the moment Messi has 4 balon d'ors to Ronaldo's 2. He is 26 years old while Ronaldo turns 29 in a month's time. By the end of the season Messi has a chance to break the all time UCL record for most goals as well as the Liga top scorer record. Think about THAT!
In 4 months time, a 26 year old may well be the all time La Liga top goalscorer and the UCL top scorer. This os similar to having a 26 year old break Kareem's all time points record. Its insane. That's the reason he is regarded by many to be the greatest ever. But he's had a bit of a tough year with the injuries. Here's to a better 2014 hopefully:applause:

[Mr Feeny]

CR is more complete player, just like lebron,
taller, can shoot with both foot, quick, etc

messi is just unstoppable and a fantasista

both is on top right now, but 2013 accomplishment wise they should give it to the german, schweinsteiger or muller

ai honestly don't underatand why Lahm wasn't in the consideration. Defenders get shafted in these awards all the time it seems. Still remember when Schmeichel wasnt on the balon d'or shortlist when he lead Man United to thr treble in 99 and Beckham (!) was:biggums:

[VIntageNOvel]

ai honestly don't underatand why Lahm wasn't in the consideration. Defenders get shafted in these awards all the time it seems. Still remember when Schmeichel wasnt on the balon d'or shortlist when he lead Man United to thr treble in 99 and Beckham (!) was:biggums:

cannavaro won it in 2006,
but italy was known for their iron defense

[Frozen1]

As soon as messi loses his explosion, he will be done. And that

[mr.big35]

[QUOTE=Frozen1]As soon as messi loses his explosion, he will be done. And that

[VIntageNOvel]

How will lose his explosion. He is only 26 years old. Witness the greatness that is Messi

he has been using hgh since like ten?

[LJJ]

Ribery got robbed.

People don't watch German football.

They see Bayern play a few games against English teams then in the final and become experts.

Personally I think it's safe to say that if Ribery was injured the entire season last year Bayern still would have won the same prizes. Ribery is simply pne of the 6 or so players who are the best at Bayern, he is by no means in a category on his own in terms of his importance to their success.

[Mr Feeny]

Messi has had more assists than anyone in Europe (all comp) over the past 5 years.
To say that he will be become useless when he loses his explosiveness is asinine. He will be play as deep midfielder in the xavi role.

[ArbitraryWater]

Let me clear this mess up, Ronaldinho still so horribly overrated it seems :facepalm

People suggest him for better than Cristiano or Messi, heck, they say he's the greatest...

First off, im from Germany, I watch Ribery&Bayern every week, the guy isn't better than Ronaldo... Robben carried them to the CL Title, and Schweinsteiger was voted Bayern's best player in the League anyway...

back to Ronaldinho.

Ronaldinho is an All Time Great, Top 30 All Time.

But horribly overrated, because he ain't Top 25, and that's just how it is. Face the Truth. For his entire Career, he had 3 great Years/Seasons, his Prime/Peak, from 2003-2006, in which he had Individual Success. Imagine Kobe 05-08 but being literally AVERAGE and a no brainer when it comes to the top of the basketball world for the rest of his career...

If you want to rate a Player's Career from 0-100, or 0.0 to 10.0, the Rest of his Career was nothing more than a 5.0 of 10.0, 50 of 100 Level.

A Waste of Talent.

To show you how shit Ronaldinho has became since 2006, at the age of 26, he was the flop of the tournament at the 06 World Cup.

Overweight like Ronaldo. Leading to him, NOT BEING SELECTED for the 2010 World Cup, at the age of 30! He was selected for just TWO WORLD CUPS.

Miroslav Klose, German Striking Legend, still played in 2010, at the Age of 32! On top of that, now he's 35 Years old, and Germany still considers him an Option for 2014, even though their Team is stacked.

Ronaldinho's lack of sustained dominance, and few great/elite years are pathetic and the reason he doesn't come close to Messi and Ronaldo, who BOTH have ruled football since 2007. Identical start, and the change of an era.

2006 was the last year where it was between Ronaldinho/Zidane/Henry, all after that declined dramatically, while Messi&Ronaldo took over... Ronaldo was the better player the first 2 years, Messi also had a big injury in '08.

But both carried the torch.

Ronaldo>Messi>>>Ronaldinho.

Brazilian Ronaldo is nice, but again, his best goalscoring season/best season doesn't even come close to Cristiano's top 4 including this year... and that is while playing in a league in which the GPG (goals per game) where nearly identical... don't even get me started on Pele in the 1960's in Brazil, where games reguarly ended 5-3 and the average of goals per game was about at 6 :hammerhead: the no defense era... free flowing offensive football, that's what it was all about, and no offside rule too.


Respect to 9er, every topic I read him talk about outside of basketball, the guy knows his shit. Animations, clocks, fighting arts, football (soccer), etc...

[knickballer]

Messi has had more assists than anyone in Europe (all comp) over the past 5 years.
To say that he will be become useless when he loses his explosiveness is asinine. He will be play as deep midfielder in the xavi role.

He gets alot of those assists as he's always in an attacking position and always near the box which leads to more chances of goals/assists.

For example Andrea Pirlo who's considered one of the best passers ever only has 1 assist this year in Serie A and had 7 last year in Serie A because he plays from a deep role but we all know his ability as a passer/distributor.

If anything Messi will probably be used as an supporting attacker, as a winger or as an attacking midfielder if anything. He'll never play in a deep midfield and his skillset doesn't suit that at all.

[lakers_forever]

don't even get me started on Pele in the 1960's in Brazil, where games reguarly ended 5-3 and the average of goals per game was about at 6 :hammerhead: the no defense era... free flowing offensive football, that's what it was all about, and no offside rule too.


:facepalm That shows right there that you don't know anything about football history. Of course there was offside rule during Pele's time. WTF?

And no, another big lie there. The average of goals per game during Pele's time was not 6 freaking goals per game. :lol

Average of goals per game in official games played by Pele from 1958 to 1965 = 3,41 goals per game, only 0,77 more goals per game the games Messi played in from 2004 to 2012.

And as you can see below (research from a brazilian magazine - check the numbers, they are all correct), Pele had a better goal ratio (goals scored by him per total goals scored in a game) than Messi, even when adjusting Pele's stats, when we compare them in the same age. Pele scored 38,4% of the goals scored per game in his era against 28,8% from Messi.

http://placar.abril.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/pele-messi-campeonatos.jpg



Only counting official games:

Goal average from 58 to 65 - 3,41 per game
Pele's average - 1,28 per game - 38,4% of goals scored per game.

Goal average from 2004 to 2012 - 2,64 per game
Messi's average - 0,68 per game - 28,8% of goals scored per game.

[lakers_forever]

And Pele's numbers are specially insane because he never played as a 9 or as a false 9 like Messi (to be fair, Messi played during a couple of years open on the right side of the attack), with no one in front of him. Pele always played as the "10", behind the "9" (a center forward) (for Brazil - Vava in 58 and 62 and Tost

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm That shows right there that you don't know anything about football history. Of course there was offside rule during Pele's time. WTF?

And no, another big lie there. The average of goals per game during Pele's time was not 6 freaking goals per game. :lol

Average of goals per game in official games played by Pele from 1958 to 1965 = 3,41 goals per game, only 0,77 more goals per game the games Messi played in from 2004 to 2012.

And as you can see below (research from a brazilian magazine - check the numbers, they are all correct), Pele had a better goal ratio (goals scored by him per total goals scored in a game) than Messi, even when adjusting Pele's stats, when we compare them in the same age. Pele scored 38,4% of the goals scored per game in his era against 28,8% from Messi.

http://placar.abril.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/pele-messi-campeonatos.jpg



Only counting official games:

Goal average from 58 to 65 - 3,41 per game
Pele's average - 1,28 per game - 38,4% of goals scored per game.

Goal average from 2004 to 2012 - 2,64 per game
Messi's average - 0,68 per game - 28,8% of goals scored per game.


1958 World Cup:

4 Goals per Game... :biggums:

Yea went overboard with the 6, but that's just crazy dude... watch some of the footage, the defensive tactics/schemes were nothing compared to now...

[ArbitraryWater]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Greatest-Overrated-Truviannis-Moments-Football-ebook/dp/B00H15XMMK

Here, you'll learn some. Sadly isn't the full piece

[knickballer]

It's kind of interesting because in every other sport a player who played in the 50's and 60's would NEVER be in discussion for an all-time great due to the evolution of the sports and people usually assume the sport gets more "advanced".

In the NBA Walt Chamberlain is a man who absolutely dominated but always takes a backseat to the more recent stars like Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc.

The MLB is a sport where former legends are in consideration for GOAT(Ruth, etc) though but I don't think the sport has a true GOAT

NFL no one from the 60's would be considered anywhere near the top 10

Not trying to downplay Pele but people seem to glorify him just for the fact he's a legend of the far past and because his image is almost godlike. It's tough because I can only assume the sport back then and especially the leagues were less competitive then they are today(Nutrition, training, pressure, etc) but of course that's pure speculation on my part.

Truthfully, I don't think there's anything wrong with labeling players like CR 7, Messi, Zidane, Maradona, etc, as GOAT's either.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's kind of interesting because in every other sport a player who played in the 50's and 60's would NEVER be in discussion for an all-time great due to the evolution of the sports and people usually assume the sport gets more "advanced".

In the NBA Walt Chamberlain is a man who absolutely dominated but always takes a backseat to the more recent stars like Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc.

The MLB is a sport where former legends are in consideration for GOAT(Ruth, etc) though but I don't think the sport has a true GOAT

NFL no one from the 60's would be considered anywhere near the top 10

Not trying to downplay Pele but people seem to glorify him just for the fact he's a legend of the far past and because his image is almost godlike. It's tough because I can only assume the sport back then and especially the leagues were less competitive then they are today(Nutrition, training, pressure, etc) but of course that's pure speculation on my part.

Truthfully, I don't think there's anything wrong with labeling players like CR 7, Messi, Zidane, Maradona, etc, as GOAT's either.

It really is, Pele has this god mystique surrounding him, people dont want to let go off the thought of pele as goat.