Start a franchise: Oscar Robertson or LeBron James

[russwest0]

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[Black and White]

LeBron James

[Illuminati]

LeBron James.

[215Philly]

LBJ & it's not even close tbh

[Keno]

LBJ

[iTare]

I'll take the guy that we have the most footage of.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

lebron james

[Black and White]

This is going to be the most one-sided poll ever

[russwest0]

Oscar Roberston had far better numbers and didn't make everyone who ever played with him worse.

[IncarceratedBob]

Big O has gotten severely overrated due to his trip doub season. He was a cancer. I'll take Penny Hardaway over him.

[Illuminati]

Oscar Roberston had far better numbers and didn't make everyone who ever played with him worse.

LeBron > Oscar > Durant.

Deal with it.

[Mure]

Lbj.

[TheWeeknd]

lebron.

who the **** is oscar roberson

[russwest0]

lebron.

who the **** is oscar roberson

jan 2014....

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[navy]

Never saw Oscar play, I have no idea what his game was truly like.

Lebron.

[Xiao Yao You]

Lebron

[GOATbe]

Definitely Oscar.

[Joe Anderson]

OP is only 14 years old. We know damn well he never saw Oscar play. :lol

[Black and White]

lebron.

who the **** is oscar roberson

Lol

[IncarceratedBob]

I asked my uncle who followed bball all his life. He's 80. He said Robertson resembles a lankier Derek Fisher with a bigger usage rate.

[LeBron 06]

LeBron

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron

Oscar adjusted for pace is basically just a better Durant

[Marchesk]

Is Oscar raised in the same era, or we taking him straight off a time machine?

Oscar was Magic before Magic. His numbers are top 5 all-time. He was a GOAT candidate at one point.

[arifgokcen]

Oscar Roberston had far better numbers and didn't make everyone who ever played with him worse.
Dude this is just pathetic you are asking and answering your own question.

[CavaliersFTW]

Oscar.

Made players he played with better, not worse, and did not collude to win a title so he earned his. Put Lebron on the Royals in the 60's with Wayne Embry Tom Hawkins and Connie Dierking as a front line and they don't do jack shit against Philly or the Celtics either.

[cos88]

lebron

[r0drig0lac]

oscar would be a top 2 in the mvp race has played in the league today, regarding numbers would likely be similar to lebron, and both teams needed highly stacked towards their opponents to win something, I'd go with lebron, but is closer than many here believe

[Rose'sACL]

Oscar.

Made players he played with better, not worse, and did not collude to win a title so he earned his. Put Lebron on the Royals in the 60's with Wayne Embry Tom Hawkins and Connie Dierking as a front line and they don't do jack shit against Philly or the Celtics either.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255389

[AnaheimLakers24]

oscar. hes just better

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255389
Holy shit am I being exposed for writing satire!? :cry: omg how embarassing :(

[Illuminati]

Oscar.

Made players he played with better, not worse, and did not collude to win a title so he earned his. Put Lebron on the Royals in the 60's with Wayne Embry Tom Hawkins and Connie Dierking as a front line and they don't do jack shit against Philly or the Celtics either.

LeBron back then would average 40/15/15. Stop lying to yourself.

[navy]

Lebron in the 60s? :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

LeBron back then would average 40/15/15. Stop lying to yourself.
http://replygif.net/i/1126.gif

You do realize they called traveling back then right?

[Rose'sACL]

average points scored during robertson's era was near 115. it varied from 112 to 118 so i put 115 for his career. at least his prime years.
average points scored in since lebron came into league has varied from 95 to 100 so lets call it around 98. make 99 if you want.
16 more points scored during oscar's era. that is such a huge number.
if you just take prime years of robertson then his averages would be around 28-10-8.

are you kidding me here by saying roberston was better?

[r0drig0lac]

average points scored during robertson's era was near 115. it varied from 112 to 118 so i put 115 for his career. at least his prime years.
average points scored in since lebron came into league has varied from 95 to 100 so lets call it around 98. make 99 if you want.
16 more points scored during oscar's era. that is such a huge number.
if you just take prime years of robertson then his averages would be around 28-10-8.

are you kidding me here by saying roberston was better?
assists in compensation when Oscar played were won and not given as in today's game, because if they were counted as today, would robertson 13 to 14 assists per game easily, right?

[USABall]

Never saw Oscar play, I have no idea what his game was truly like.

Lebron.


this

[Rose'sACL]

assists in compensation when Oscar played were won and not given as in today's game, because if they were counted as today, would robertson 13 to 14 assists per game easily, right?
i will not take your word for it. assists and rebounds in home games were given even more by home scorers to their players during old days from what i have heard.
so today's rule changes(sort of) for assists have not had that much impact.
Only cp3 gets too many fake assists in current league and even that might be coming down with nba.com making it possible to view each assist.

[r0drig0lac]

actually assists today are computed much more easily than before, perhaps not in the game, but the statistics but they have some impact

[Rose'sACL]

actually assists today are computed much more easily than before, perhaps not in the game, but the statistics but they have some impact
so are you saying that pace change will actually help him? lets say that his assists numbers at most stay the same even with slower pace.this is being very generous but still have it your way.
are you saying he will also have same ppg and rebound numbers? stop kidding yourself.

[JohnFreeman]

LeBron. Oscar fighting for triple doubles with 5ft white guys

[r0drig0lac]

so are you saying that pace change will actually help him? lets say that his assists numbers at most stay the same even with slower pace.this is being very generous but still have it your way.
are you saying he will also have same ppg and rebound numbers? stop kidding yourself.
I talked at some point about points and rebounds?, although he was very athletic (more like wade), and certainly would not have problem getting their rebounds at any time, what he would do with the three-point line? I do not know, but with the perimeter-oriented league today, he would have free access to the opposing lane without many difficulties, on assists are the rule change by itself, balances the situation of rhythm, because the change that particular rule has changed the very statistics in this case, in any case I would still be with lebron (for he along with pippen and rodman, is the most versatile perimeter defender of all time), but the distance is much smaller than some people believe

[fpliii]

LeBron, because of defense. I think Oscar is one of the 5 (possibly 3) best offensive players in league history though, and on that end alone I'd take him.

[CavaliersFTW]

i will not take your word for it. assists and rebounds in home games were given even more by home scorers to their players during old days from what i have heard.
so today's rule changes(sort of) for assists have not had that much impact.
Only cp3 gets too many fake assists in current league and even that might be coming down with nba.com making it possible to view each assist.
Straight up lying - you fail to even cite what 'you've heard'. Making sh*t up is too easy when your banking on others being unwilling to call you out, however, I'm calling you out.

[QUOTE=Oscar Robertson]"An assist was different when I played.

[Rose'sACL]

Straight up lying - you fail to even cite what 'you've heard'. Making sh*t up is too easy when your banking on others being unwilling to call you out, however, I'm calling you out.


http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/22/hang-time-qa-oscar-robertson-on-turning-75-triple-doubles-and-g-o-a-t/
oscar robertson has also said things about lebron that you don't agree with so please shut up.
lets say he has same number of assists even with slower pace of today. no way he averages same ppg and rebounds per game in this slower league.


here it is. i know you don't agree with oscar here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TrccDSAY58

[CavaliersFTW]

oscar robertson has also said things about lebron that you don't agree with so please shut up.
lets say he has same number of assists even with slower pace of today. no way he averages same ppg and rebounds per game in this slower league.


here it is. i know you don't agree with oscar here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TrccDSAY58
Oscar's opinion on Lebron is that he is in a class by himself? Yeah I would agree with that actually. So you're wrong right there but additionally you're wrong in labeling his observation about assists as an opinion. The observation that assists are tracked differently isn't his opinion as he did not draw conclusions from it, it is strictly an observation so it is not one in the same as him believing/concluding Lebron is in a class by himself.

An opinion would be like if Oscar said "____ era was better/worse BECAUSE of (observation)" He did not draw any conclusions though therefore his observation itself is not equivalent to an opinion.

Also relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUI2ao7cj9k

Anything else you'd like to learn today?

[russwest0]

CavsFTW is showing his basketball knowledge and understanding of the history of the game. Everyone else is picking Bron simply cause they don't know who the hell Oscar is

[Rose'sACL]

Oscar's opinion on Lebron is that he is in a class by himself? Yeah I would agree with that actually. So you're wrong right there but additionally you're wrong in labeling his observation about assists as an opinion. The observation that assists are tracked differently isn't his opinion as he did not draw conclusions from it, it is strictly an observation so it is not one in the same as him believing/concluding Lebron is in a class by himself.

An opinion would be like if Oscar said "____ era was better/worse BECAUSE of (observation)" He did not draw any conclusions though therefore his observation itself is not equivalent to an opinion.

Also relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUI2ao7cj9k

Anything else you'd like to learn today?
lol @ kareem. he played with him.
also, nice change of topic to take away from the fact that the pace change will affect his ppg and rebound numbers even if his assists stay the same even with slower rate given your reason that assists are given more freely now.

[Milbuck]

:coleman: Yeah, let's all pick the guy who didn't play for the Bucks. Let's mess with Milwaukee fans. Good joke guys, you got me. Let's all be mature now. Oscar and it's not really close

[blood yes]

Hey OP, enjoy crossdressing with your mom's wardrobe? Remember when you told me that you beat off in ur sister's panties, and let her take a dildo up ur ass?

Sad that you got r@ped by Michael JAckson when you were 8, remember it. I took pity for you, cause you were the one that got ****ed by the bullies at our middle school. Then, you obviously came out, and then got ur dick stuck in a bottle.

Get any better?

[Lebron23]

Lebron is taller,athletic, and superior version of Oscar Robertston. and LBJ is also the better post season performer.

4x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 2x NBA Champion > 1x NBA MVP, 0 Finals MVP, 1x NBA Champion.

[CavaliersFTW]

lol @ kareem. he played with him.
also, nice change of topic to take away from the fact that the pace change will affect his ppg and rebound numbers even if his assists stay the same even with slower rate given your reason that assists are given more freely now.
Oscar would get the same amount of touches on offense, he'd put up the same offensive numbers. There would be less available rebounds, that's the only number that would give. Oscar would lite up today's era, he's Michael Jordan's height playing the point guard spot with a stronger more solid wide frame like Lebron James. Would be a matchup nightmare for any team and would abuse any backcourt player in the L today. Would be at or near the top in every MVP discussion for at least a decade.

[blood yes]

Lebron is taller,athletic, and superior version of Oscar Robertston. and LBJ is also the better post season performer.

4x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 2x NBA Champion > 1x NBA MVP, 0 Finals MVP, 1x NBA Champion.
'greed:cheers:

[fpliii]

lol @ kareem. he played with him.
also, nice change of topic to take away from the fact that the pace change will affect his ppg and rebound numbers even if his assists stay the same even with slower rate given your reason that assists are given more freely now.

The rebounds will go down because of pace obviously, but why would the PPG go down, necessarily? If you look at players and teams from that era, as shots go down over time, stars aren't the ones with fewer attempts. It's the role players. The only exceptions are guys who lived off of putbacks or transition baskets. Oscar fits into neither category.

I posted this in another thread, here are the medians for true shooting attempts (TSA) and percentage (TS%) for guards, forwards, centers who played at least 41 games, 24mpg:


Season League gTSA gTS% fTSA fTS% cTSA cTS%
1955 NBA 13 45% 14 48% 14 49%
1956 NBA 12 45% 14 48% 15 48%
1957 NBA 13 42% 15 45% 14 47%
1958 NBA 14 44% 18 48% 16 47%
1959 NBA 13 44% 19 47% 15 47%
1960 NBA 13 45% 22 49% 15 48%
1961 NBA 15 48% 22 50% 16 48%
1962 NBA 15 47% 16 49% 18 49%
1963 NBA 14 48% 17 49% 17 49%
1964 NBA 12 49% 17 49% 17 50%
1965 NBA 15 50% 16 48% 15 48%
1966 NBA 19 49% 15 48% 15 48%
1967 NBA 16 50% 16 50% 16 50%
1968 NBA 17 51% 15 50% 15 52%
1969 NBA 17 49% 16 50% 14 51%
1970 NBA 17 52% 15 53% 13 52%
1971 NBA 17 51% 14 50% 16 50%
1972 NBA 15 51% 16 51% 15 51%
1973 NBA 16 51% 16 50% 14 51%
1974 NBA 17 51% 16 51% 13 51%
1975 NBA 15 51% 13 50% 11 51%
1976 NBA 16 51% 13 50% 15 52%
1977 NBA 16 51% 14 51% 12 52%
1978 NBA 15 51% 13 51% 13 54%
1979 NBA 15 51% 15 54% 14 54%
1980 NBA 14 53% 14 53% 13 55%
1981 NBA 13 54% 13 53% 13 54%
1982 NBA 12 53% 14 55% 12 56%
1983 NBA 14 52% 15 54% 13 55%
1984 NBA 13 53% 15 55% 13 57%
1985 NBA 13 54% 15 55% 12 56%
1986 NBA 12 54% 15 55% 13 55%
1987 NBA 13 53% 14 56% 13 55%
1988 NBA 13 54% 15 54% 12 55%
1989 NBA 14 53% 14 55% 13 56%
1990 NBA 14 54% 15 55% 13 54%
1991 NBA 13 54% 14 54% 11 54%
1992 NBA 14 54% 13 55% 13 55%
1993 NBA 14 54% 14 54% 13 55%
1994 NBA 14 53% 13 54% 13 55%
1995 NBA 13 55% 13 55% 10 56%
1996 NBA 12 55% 12 55% 12 55%
1997 NBA 13 53% 12 54% 14 55%
1998 NBA 12 53% 12 53% 13 54%
1999 NBA 12 52% 12 53% 11 53%
2000 NBA 13 53% 13 53% 11 55%
2001 NBA 13 52% 12 53% 10 53%
2002 NBA 13 52% 12 52% 11 56%
2003 NBA 13 52% 12 53% 9 54%
2004 NBA 13 51% 13 53% 9 54%
2005 NBA 12 53% 13 54% 9 55%
2006 NBA 12 54% 13 55% 10 56%
2007 NBA 13 54% 13 55% 10 56%
2008 NBA 12 55% 13 55% 10 58%
2009 NBA 12 55% 13 55% 10 58%
2010 NBA 12 54% 13 55% 11 56%
2011 NBA 12 54% 12 55% 9 58%
2012 NBA 12 53% 12 54% 11 56%
2013 NBA 13 54% 12 54% 11 56%
1968 ABA 16 48% 16 50% 13 45%
1969 ABA 18 50% 15 51% 11 50%
1970 ABA 14 52% 15 52% 13 51%
1971 ABA 17 52% 14 52% 14 55%
1972 ABA 15 53% 14 51% 15 55%
1973 ABA 14 53% 12 52% 14 56%
1974 ABA 12 51% 15 50% 13 54%
1975 ABA 13 51% 15 52% 15 56%
1976 ABA 16 53% 13 52% 16 53%

You can't just scale down Oscar's attempts, because why would your star take fewer shots in today's game? As I said above, as pace has went down, role players have taken fewer shots, not offensive anchors.

Again, I agree about his rebounding numbers going down, but you don't want your PG rebounding, you want him in transition leading the break, so that's immaterial to his value.

Going into advanced stats, Oscar also led some legendary offenses with Cincy:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?pli=1&key=0At9OxyY2Zhw6dF80TGxJQXliY0RlcXlxSHJXdGhjV3c&type=view&gid=3&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=CIN&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=1339

and the Bucks (though we have to attribute these to Kareem as well, obviously):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?pli=1&key=0At9OxyY2Zhw6dF80TGxJQXliY0RlcXlxSHJXdGhjV3c&type=view&gid=3&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=MIL&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=1339

[r0drig0lac]

by more than lebron is a little better overall, the cavs fan has a point: the physical structure and athletics oscar for you already only put on edge against all the other point guards in the league, coupled with his IQ would crush opposition between PG's, to get clearer the difference between lebron and other SF would be lower than that of Oscar compared to other point guards

[Cold soul]

Lebron hands down. LBJ is a bigger, taller, stronger, faster, version of Oscar. Basically, Lebron is munch better overall version of Oscar.

[Draz]

Never seen him play. Wish there were footage I can see. Lebron wins by default.

[knicksman]

none..both need stack teams to win. coz they cant fit

[JebronLames]

Lebron. Even Oscar would say that.

[LAZERUSS]

The rebounds will go down because of pace obviously, but why would the PPG go down, necessarily? If you look at players and teams from that era, as shots go down over time, stars aren't the ones with fewer attempts. It's the role players. The only exceptions are guys who lived off of putbacks or transition baskets. Oscar fits into neither category.

I posted this in another thread, here are the medians for true shooting attempts (TSA) and percentage (TS%) for guards, forwards, centers who played at least 41 games, 24mpg:


Season League gTSA gTS% fTSA fTS% cTSA cTS%
1955 NBA 13 45% 14 48% 14 49%
1956 NBA 12 45% 14 48% 15 48%
1957 NBA 13 42% 15 45% 14 47%
1958 NBA 14 44% 18 48% 16 47%
1959 NBA 13 44% 19 47% 15 47%
1960 NBA 13 45% 22 49% 15 48%
1961 NBA 15 48% 22 50% 16 48%
1962 NBA 15 47% 16 49% 18 49%
1963 NBA 14 48% 17 49% 17 49%
1964 NBA 12 49% 17 49% 17 50%
1965 NBA 15 50% 16 48% 15 48%
1966 NBA 19 49% 15 48% 15 48%
1967 NBA 16 50% 16 50% 16 50%
1968 NBA 17 51% 15 50% 15 52%
1969 NBA 17 49% 16 50% 14 51%
1970 NBA 17 52% 15 53% 13 52%
1971 NBA 17 51% 14 50% 16 50%
1972 NBA 15 51% 16 51% 15 51%
1973 NBA 16 51% 16 50% 14 51%
1974 NBA 17 51% 16 51% 13 51%
1975 NBA 15 51% 13 50% 11 51%
1976 NBA 16 51% 13 50% 15 52%
1977 NBA 16 51% 14 51% 12 52%
1978 NBA 15 51% 13 51% 13 54%
1979 NBA 15 51% 15 54% 14 54%
1980 NBA 14 53% 14 53% 13 55%
1981 NBA 13 54% 13 53% 13 54%
1982 NBA 12 53% 14 55% 12 56%
1983 NBA 14 52% 15 54% 13 55%
1984 NBA 13 53% 15 55% 13 57%
1985 NBA 13 54% 15 55% 12 56%
1986 NBA 12 54% 15 55% 13 55%
1987 NBA 13 53% 14 56% 13 55%
1988 NBA 13 54% 15 54% 12 55%
1989 NBA 14 53% 14 55% 13 56%
1990 NBA 14 54% 15 55% 13 54%
1991 NBA 13 54% 14 54% 11 54%
1992 NBA 14 54% 13 55% 13 55%
1993 NBA 14 54% 14 54% 13 55%
1994 NBA 14 53% 13 54% 13 55%
1995 NBA 13 55% 13 55% 10 56%
1996 NBA 12 55% 12 55% 12 55%
1997 NBA 13 53% 12 54% 14 55%
1998 NBA 12 53% 12 53% 13 54%
1999 NBA 12 52% 12 53% 11 53%
2000 NBA 13 53% 13 53% 11 55%
2001 NBA 13 52% 12 53% 10 53%
2002 NBA 13 52% 12 52% 11 56%
2003 NBA 13 52% 12 53% 9 54%
2004 NBA 13 51% 13 53% 9 54%
2005 NBA 12 53% 13 54% 9 55%
2006 NBA 12 54% 13 55% 10 56%
2007 NBA 13 54% 13 55% 10 56%
2008 NBA 12 55% 13 55% 10 58%
2009 NBA 12 55% 13 55% 10 58%
2010 NBA 12 54% 13 55% 11 56%
2011 NBA 12 54% 12 55% 9 58%
2012 NBA 12 53% 12 54% 11 56%
2013 NBA 13 54% 12 54% 11 56%
1968 ABA 16 48% 16 50% 13 45%
1969 ABA 18 50% 15 51% 11 50%
1970 ABA 14 52% 15 52% 13 51%
1971 ABA 17 52% 14 52% 14 55%
1972 ABA 15 53% 14 51% 15 55%
1973 ABA 14 53% 12 52% 14 56%
1974 ABA 12 51% 15 50% 13 54%
1975 ABA 13 51% 15 52% 15 56%
1976 ABA 16 53% 13 52% 16 53%

You can't just scale down Oscar's attempts, because why would your star take fewer shots in today's game? As I said above, as pace has went down, role players have taken fewer shots, not offensive anchors.

Again, I agree about his rebounding numbers going down, but you don't want your PG rebounding, you want him in transition leading the break, so that's immaterial to his value.

Going into advanced stats, Oscar also led some legendary offenses with Cincy:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?pli=1&key=0At9OxyY2Zhw6dF80TGxJQXliY0RlcXlxSHJXdGhjV3c&type=view&gid=3&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=CIN&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=1339

and the Bucks (though we have to attribute these to Kareem as well, obviously):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?pli=1&key=0At9OxyY2Zhw6dF80TGxJQXliY0RlcXlxSHJXdGhjV3c&type=view&gid=3&f=true&colid0=0&filterstr0=MIL&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=1339

Absolutely dead on.

And while I won't get into who I think is/was better, the point is...

A prime Oscar was scoring 30 ppg on 22 FGAs (over the course of several seasons.) Does anyone in their right mind honestly believe that that Oscar wouldn't be capable of taking 22 FGAs in today's NBA? We have seen Kobe average over 27 in a league that averaged 97 ppg.

These "paceologists" really need to do more research...

[Rose'sACL]

Absolutely dead on.

And while I won't get into who I think is/was better, the point is...

A prime Oscar was scoring 30 ppg on 22 FGAs (over the course of several seasons.) Does anyone in their right mind honestly believe that that Oscar wouldn't be capable of taking 22 FGAs in today's NBA? We have seen Kobe average over 27 in a league that averaged 97 ppg.

These "paceologists" really need to do more research...
love, durant and lebron all average less than 20 shots. even carmelo who plays on an average(at times shitty) team averages less than 20 shots.
all these players are not even close to averaging triple double for a season.
i don't believe a single poster here who says that oscar would average same ppg while having same assist and rebound numbers in today's league. to take 22 shots he would have to play like kobe and even kobe can't shoot like that on a good team while averaging great assist number.
it is damn hard for an all around player to average 22 shots in today's league. only the most pure scorers would do that.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

i would take both over MJ rather easily:applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

love, durant and lebron all average less than 20 shots. even carmelo who plays on an average(at times shitty) team averages less than 20 shots.
all these players are not even close to averaging triple double for a season.
i don't believe a single poster here who says that oscar would average same ppg while having same assist and rebound numbers in today's league. to take 22 shots he would have to play like kobe and even kobe can't shoot like that on a good team while averaging great assist number(he is smaller so i am not talking rebounds).
it is damn hard for an all around player to average 22 shots in today's league. only the most pure scorers would do that.
Durant and Lebron have a good supporting cast right now. Oscar averaged less than 20 shots when he was on a team with a good cast too. Lebron averaged more than 20 shots without such a supporting cast and so did Oscar.

And leave Kevin Love the hell out of comparisons with Big O, he's not on Oscar's level. Love is akin to Jerry Lucas not Oscar Robertson.

[fpliii]

love, durant and lebron all average less than 20 shots. even carmelo who plays on an average(at times shitty) team averages less than 20 shots.
all these players are not even close to averaging triple double for a season.
i don't believe a single poster here who says that oscar would average same ppg while having same assist and rebound numbers in today league. to take 22 shots he would have to play like kobe and even kobe can't shoot like that on a good team while averaging great assist number(he is smaller so i am not talking rebounds).
it is damn hard for an all around player to average 22 shots in today's league. only the most pure scorers would do that.
First of all, Kobe and Oscar are the same height.

Oscar: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-15eX_e7Rxr4/UdXbnYp0dZI/AAAAAAAAEdE/dOlhbKyP6Zg/s800/oscar%2520height%2520wo%2520shoes2.jpg

Kobe: Bryant, still holding Daniel, told him: “Everyone thinks I’m 6 feet 7 inches tall. But just between you and me, I’m really 6-4.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/sports/basketball/24cheer.html?_r=3&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/B/Bryant,%&

He noted in another interview that Vanessa measured him at 6'4.5" or 6'4.75". So yeah, same height. Anyhow though, the rebound numbers are immaterial. Basing arguments on Oscar averaging a triple double season is shallow, lazy analysis.

Take 2-3 shots off, mark him down for 4-6 boards if you want, and increase his assists slightly (or maybe leave them where they are). Also, increase his FG%, since there's a three-point line now, meaning there aren't two bigs camped in the paint at all times preventing the drive in the half court (look at Dr. J...his first three NBA seasons, in addition to dealing with knee problems and a team full of black holes, he had to deal with the same clogged paint).

Dude would unquestionably be leading his teams to top offenses in today's game. The more time you give him to adapt to the present league and learn players' tendencies, the better he'll be. He wasn't a bad shot from the corner either, so the three would help open up his game as well. The pick-and-roll is also much, much bigger now.

[Rose'sACL]

i was comparing kobe's height to lebron, durant and melo. edited for no confusion.

[fpliii]

i was comparing kobe's height to lebron, durant and melo
Okay, again the rebounding is immaterial. That's only one part of my post.

[Rose'sACL]

Okay, again the rebounding is immaterial. That's only one part of my post.
i will have my opinion . you will have yours. this is why i hate talking about players with little or no videos of a lot of their full games.
they either get overrated or underrated and it is hard to fault anyone. i will always maintain that any all around player will have stats drop in each category other than may be assists given how assists are called today. pure scorers would be the ones taking same amount of shots.

[KendrickPerkins]

I'd take Oscar.