Joel Embiid Looks Like The #1 Overall Pick

[MannyO]

Ive been seeing the improvements. Whos watching this game right now?

[ZenMaster]

Love that he can do the baseline spin without traveling and while staying in balance.

[IGOTGAME]

Love that he can do the baseline spin without traveling and while staying in balance.
Dwight has been tryna learn that for the past decade

[MannyO]

Unlike other 7ft prospects Ive seen in the past. I actually see the potential and the hype in this guy. He's skilled and has raw talent, with athletic instincts and feel for the game, Impressive.

[navy]

Is he athletic? Havent watched him play.

[MannyO]

Is he athletic? Havent watched him play.

hes pretty athletic for a 7 footer. Especially on the defensive end.

[Milbuck]

Is he athletic? Havent watched him play.

Depends on your definition of athletic. He's not gonna dunk on 12 foot rims like Dwight, and he's not gonna dunk on two baskets at the same time like Javale McGee. He's a great athlete, but he's not a freak.

But his body control, agility, and fluidity for his size is pretty incredible though. He has a great frame for a center and knows how to use it.

[MannyO]

Depends on your definition of athletic. He's not gonna dunk on 12 foot rims like Dwight, and he's not gonna dunk on two baskets at the same time like Javale McGee. He's a great athlete, but he's not a freak.

But his body control, agility, and fluidity for his size is pretty incredible though. He has a great frame for a center and knows how to use it.


Yea Exactly it

[KendrickPerkins]

Andrew Wiggins tho... 16/16 :bowdown:

[mr.big35]

Is he the only cameroon basketball player ever.

[navy]

Depends on your definition of athletic. He's not gonna dunk on 12 foot rims like Dwight, and he's not gonna dunk on two baskets at the same time like Javale McGee. He's a great athlete, but he's not a freak.

But his body control, agility, and fluidity for his size is pretty incredible though. He has a great frame for a center and knows how to use it.
Sounds good. :cheers:

Is he better than Wiggins? Purely on this team though. Not potential.

[IGOTGAME]

Is he the only cameroon basketball player ever.
No.

[russwest0]

yes, barring a dumbass org like Cleveland getting first pick he will go first overall

[KendrickPerkins]

Is he the only cameroon basketball player ever.
Luc Mbah a Moute and Joakim Noah, brah.

[mr.big35]

yes, barring a dumbass org like Cleveland getting first pick he will go first overall

They might get the first pick to compensate Bennet pick

[andremiller07]

He kind of moves like a taller Anthony Davis, not quiet as swift but swift enough, and his feel for passing out of the double and post moves are at a very high level.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Sounds good. :cheers:

Is he better than Wiggins? Purely on this team though. Not potential.

Purely on this KU team? No.

[KendrickPerkins]

Wiggins: 17 points, 18 rebounds :bowdown:

[IGOTGAME]

He can of moves like a taller Anthony Davis, not quiet as swift but swift enough, and his feel for passing out of the double and post moves are at a very high level.
He has better post moves than Davis does. He is a better low post prospect Han Davis

[andremiller07]

He has better post moves than Davis does. He is a better low post prospect Han Davis
Yeah I know that I was just saying the way he runs/moves is very Davis like

[Milbuck]

Sounds good. :cheers:

Is he better than Wiggins? Purely on this team though. Not potential.

Wiggins has been pretty on/off with his aggressiveness. He's had single digit games, and he's had 20+ point games after criticism. Most of it is because Self's system and really college ball in general don't cater to Wiggins' strengths.

But overall it's debatable. I personally think Embiid has looked better than Wiggins so far. He's a two-way center and he's damn good at it, so I'd say his impact is higher as well.

[hawksdogsbraves]

He has better post moves than Davis does. He is a better low post prospect Han Davis

No he doesn't and no he isn't. Davis was a better prospect than Embiid and was much more polished (and impactful) as a freshman than Embiid is now. Better low post scorer, better defender, better at running the floor. Literally the only thing Embiid had/has over Davis is a couple inches and that wonderful word 'potential' that we love so much.

[navy]

Wiggins has been pretty on/off with his aggressiveness. He's had single digit games, and he's had 20+ point games after criticism. Most of it is because Self's system and really college ball in general don't cater to Wiggins' strengths.

But overall it's debatable. I personally think Embiid has looked better than Wiggins so far. He's a two-way center and he's damn good at it, so I'd say his impact is higher as well.

Ive seen Wiggins stats, he's scoring well enough. But how is his finishing at the rim and post game? Is Wiggins fast?

Sorry, if Ive been bugging you with questions by the way.

[Milbuck]

No he doesn't and no he isn't. Davis was a better prospect than Embiid and was much more polished (and impactful) as a freshman than Embiid is now. Better low post scorer, better defender, better at running the floor. Literally the only thing Embiid had/has over Davis is a couple inches and that wonderful word 'potential' that we love so much.

What are you talking about? Embiid is miles ahead of where Davis was offensively. Obviously Davis has the edge defensively, but he was absolutely not a better low post scorer than Embiid.

[navy]

No he doesn't and no he isn't. Davis was a better prospect than Embiid and was much more polished (and impactful) as a freshman than Embiid is now. Better low post scorer, better defender, better at running the floor. Literally the only thing Embiid had/has over Davis is a couple inches and that wonderful word 'potential' that we love so much.
Davis isnt a good low post scorer.

[hawksdogsbraves]

:facepalm

If Davis was in this draft class he'd be a lock for the number one pick. All the discussion of Embiid vs Wiggins vs Parker would be about who the 2nd overall pick would be.

Everyone's so caught up in Embiid's potential right now that they can't see the fact that he's been the third best player on his own college team this season. Yeah, 7'2 centers who can move don't come around every day, but let's not act like he's truly tearing up the competition with that 10/7 stat line. Even if he's the number one pick he'll need a couple of years to really develop.

[FrobeShaw]

No he doesn't and no he isn't. Davis was a better prospect than Embiid and was much more polished (and impactful) as a freshman than Embiid is now. Better low post scorer, better defender, better at running the floor. Literally the only thing Embiid had/has over Davis is a couple inches and that wonderful word 'potential' that we love so much.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/69/dgwn5.jpg

[hawksdogsbraves]

What are you talking about? Embiid is miles ahead of where Davis was offensively. Obviously Davis has the edge defensively, but he was absolutely not a better low post scorer than Embiid.

Did you even watch Davis in college? He doesn't score as much from the low post in the NBA because he's still so thin. He'll fill out that frame and be able to bang in time. In college he scored from the low post a lot.

Embiid has one good game that people in here see and it's like he's the next Kareem... Dude's averaging 10ppg, let's not go crazy here.

[VIntageNOvel]

They might get the first pick to compensate Bennet pick


why the **** you get compensated for your own foolishness?
so if cavs screw another 1st pick they would get 1st for the next decade?

[Milbuck]

Ive seen Wiggins stats, he's scoring well enough. But how is his finishing at the rim and post game? Is Wiggins fast?

Sorry, if Ive been bugging you with questions by the way.

I don't want to speak too soon, but his touch around the rim is pretty weak for a potential #1 pick. It's not awful, but you'd expect better. He's a slasher but if you contest his shots hard and throw some contact at him in the paint, he's in trouble. He's fast as hell, the athleticism hype is real. The problem is that even with it, you can clearly tell he's not super comfortable with the system and college game.

It's all good dude, these prospects and this college season overall have been really intriguing :cheers:

[FrobeShaw]

Embiid has one good game that people in here see and it's like he's the next Kareem... Dude's averaging 10ppg, let's not go crazy here.

One good game. :roll:

[navy]

Much better than the Anthony Bennett class of 2013. :cheers:

[MannyO]

If you compare Davis & Embiid at the freshman stage of their career.
Embiid seems stronger.
I think they are both long and lanky but Embiid is a bit longer
Davis was more athletic I believe
Davis was more polished with the perimeter game
Embiid is more polished in the post
Both were great defensively, Davis a bit better but Embiid is still getting better
Passing instincts are also close between the two

[Milbuck]

Did you even watch Davis in college? He doesn't score as much from the low post in the NBA because he's still so thin. He'll fill out that frame and be able to bang in time. In college he scored from the low post a lot.

Embiid has one good game that people in here see and it's like he's the next Kareem... Dude's averaging 10ppg, let's not go crazy here.

Yeah, I did. I think a better question is do you even watch Embiid? Throwing around his ppg (which is around 11 after this game, only 3 off of Davis's "monstrous" offensive season average) is really meaningless if you don't watch the games. If you seriously think that people are pissing themselves over this one game, you're not very up to date. Embiid has been doing things offensively that a lot of centers in the NBA can't do, and this game is just another example.

Simply put, it's pretty silly to think that Davis at Kentucky was a more polished low post scorer than Embiid.

[MannyO]

Also I see that Wiggins is getting more comfortable and being more assertive but he's not as strong as I thought. I see he makes a quick move to the basket but gets easily knocked off balance with little contact. Plus I want to see him start finishing at the basket with dunks instead of little fingerrolls

[FrobeShaw]

Also I see that Wiggins is getting more comfortable and being more assertive but he's not as strong as I thought. I see he makes a quick move to the basket but gets easily knocked off balance with little contact. Plus I want to see him start finishing at the basket with dunks instead of little fingerrolls

For someone lauded for their athleticism, nothing has impressed me so far. One little dunk that any athletic guard in the league can pull off? That's it? In fact, Parker's coast to coast is a great show of athleticism than Wiggins has done so far. Glad to be proven wrong.

[Pointguard]

Embiid's deep low post game is bizarre. Coach doesn't play him alot because he wants him to come back next year but the guy's deep post game after only three years of playing is not only NBA level it seems elite NBA level. It doesn't make sense.

I also don't understand him already reading defenses at this level in only his third year. He's also strong and balanced already as well. Like I have been saying this guys learning curve and upward spiral is as good as it gets. This guys game has never leveled off and will continue upward years into the NBA.

His coordination is crazy. While I don't think he's the athlete that Davis is I doubt Davis can put the ball between his legs and dunk with his left hand. DMC is the only center I see do a lot of reverse layups which is hard to do for 5 foot three year players much less 7 footers. At three years your shot isn't automatic because you usually haven't shot 20,000 shots yet but Embiid shot looks pretty good already. He's really impressive.

[allball]

whoa. this is what I'm talking about with the Embiid hype. If Davis was the freshman he was right now he would wear Embiid out on both ends. period. In Kentucky's system Davis offensive talent was subdued but he was a much better overall player.

saying Embiid is a better post player than Davis is like saying Zach Randolph is a better post player than Kevin Garnett. doesnt make him a better player.

[Bernie Nips]

Did you even watch Davis in college? He doesn't score as much from the low post in the NBA because he's still so thin. He'll fill out that frame and be able to bang in time. In college he scored from the low post a lot.

Embiid has one good game that people in here see and it's like he's the next Kareem... Dude's averaging 10ppg, let's not go crazy here.

11ppg in 21 minutes compared to Davis' 14ppg in 32 minutes.

[oarabbus]

Embiid's deep low post game is bizarre. Coach doesn't play him alot because he wants him to come back next year but the guy's deep post game after only three years of playing is not only NBA level it seems elite NBA level. It doesn't make sense.

I also don't understand him already reading defenses at this level in only his third year. He's also strong and balanced already as well. Like I have been saying this guys learning curve and upward spiral is as good as it gets. This guys game has never leveled off and will continue upward years into the NBA.

His coordination is crazy. While I don't think he's the athlete that Davis is I doubt Davis can put the ball between his legs and dunk with his left hand. DMC is the only center I see do a lot of reverse layups which is hard to do for 5 foot three year players much less 7 footers. At three years your shot isn't automatic because you usually haven't shot 20,000 shots yet but Embiid shot looks pretty good already. He's really impressive.

So how do you compare Embiid right now to rookie NBA Davis? Serious question.

[Inferno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QgrqCk_-2w

Dream Shake!

[Milbuck]

I want this guy to pan out so badly. It sucks so much *** having to watch Dwight "best big man in the game" Howard fumble around like a dumb*** robot in the post. My Bucks better draft him

[IGOTGAME]

whoa. this is what I'm talking about with the Embiid hype. If Davis was the freshman he was right now he would wear Embiid out on both ends. period. In Kentucky's system Davis offensive talent was subdued but he was a much better overall player.

saying Embiid is a better post player than Davis is like saying Zach Randolph is a better post player than Kevin Garnett. doesnt make him a better player.
So you are saying it is a true statement. Thanks, sorry people are making these inaccurate statements...:facepalm

[East_Stone_Ya]

he will not be drafted in the top3

[kurple]

he will not be drafted in the top3
:biggums:

[shallehalle]

:biggums:
If Utah, Bucks or Kings get the top 3 picks, i actually see Parker, Wiggins and Exum being selected before Embiid

[allball]

So you are saying it is a true statement. Thanks, sorry people are making these inaccurate statements...:facepalm

Embiid has the potential to be better around the basket in the conventional sense. No doubt. BUT Davis is a very unconventional big and going to be harder to stop because of the wide array of things he can do on the court and his athleticism.

You saw what Davis has done against seasoned veterans like Gasol and Duncan while still developing his game and not really playing with his back to the basket. at only 20 years old he is already playing at all star level.

Embiid is playing against college level bigs and doing very good but Davis was a better freshman IMO and one of the most feared shot blockers I've ever seen (and still is in the NBA)

Let's also not forget Davis was primarily a guard on his high school team even after his growth spurt.

[IGOTGAME]

Embiid has the potential to be better around the basket in the conventional sense. No doubt. BUT Davis is a very unconventional big and going to be harder to stop because of the wide array of things he can do on the court and his athleticism.

You saw what Davis has done against seasoned veterans like Gasol and Duncan while still developing his game and not really playing with his back to the basket. at only 20 years old he is already playing at all star level.

Embiid is playing against college level bigs and doing very good but Davis was a better freshman IMO and one of the most feared shot blockers I've ever seen (and still is in the NBA)

Let's also not forget Davis was primarily a guard on his high school team even after his growth spurt.

Davis was a great prospect and I wasn't trying to downplay him. I really just meant what I wrote, that Embiid is a better prospect in the low post(see yesterday were he reads the double then dribbles out the 3 point line and then attacks). He shows better moves and a better aptitude for passing out of the post. The stuff Embiid has shown, Davis will likely never be able to do. With that said Davis has other strengths that make him an all world player. Sadly enough, I haven't been able to watch Davis as much I would like but from what I see he doesn't seem very comfortable creating his shot from the low post. His faceup game seems Ok but idk if that will ever be something I want to base an offense around. I like to start the offense as close to the basket as possible. #1 choice is a big that gets down on the low block and #2 is a guard that can penetrate at will.

But if given the choice right now, you'd have to take Davis, he is a proven commodity.

btw...were are the highlight folks. That 2-3 minute span by Embiid should be on youtube by now. you guys are slacking lol

[MannyO]

Davis is the better all around player, but in some time Embiid will be the better low post player. His low post game is really good and he just started playing like 3 years ago. Davis is better at ball handling and the perimeter game because he was once a point guard not too long ago.

Idk who will be considered better but they'll both be really good in my opinion

[shallehalle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsSD85T974I

Against Iowa State

[CNNonceAgain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsSD85T974I

Against Iowa State

He dominated. :pimp:

[Demitri98]

having to watch Dwight "best big man in the game" Howard fumble around like a dumb*** robot in the post.
:lol :lol :lol

[Pointguard]

So how do you compare Embiid right now to rookie NBA Davis? Serious question.

Davis is better but its kind of a crazy question. I definitely think Embiid, in the same situation next year would be better than Davis rookie year. Davis, as a rookie, took a huge leap to this year but he was a guy that capitalized a lot on defensive mistakes and still does. Embiid will be a level above that because he will be creating defensive mistakes and making the defense helpless.

[PsychoBe]

can't be worse than this

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/01/09/832477570.gif

[no pun intended]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOTtf5ldtI

vs. oklahoma state

mother of god...

[no pun intended]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsSD85T974I

Against Iowa State
his offensive awareness and passing ability is impressive

[oarabbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOTtf5ldtI

vs. oklahoma state

mother of god...


Oh man... :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[andremiller07]

If Utah, Bucks or Kings get the top 3 picks, i actually see Parker, Wiggins and Exum being selected before Embiid
Kings already missed a golden chance to pair Drummond with Cuz no way they are idiotic enough to not pair him with Embiid and try resign Gay for cheaper a year after the draft.

[Ancient Legend]

Very Hakeemish both in talent and demeanor.

[Kukoc]

If Milwakuke gets Embiid they will have two ver huge players

Giannis and Embiid

[veilside23]

If he goes yes he will be but if he stays its going to be wiggins

[wakencdukest]

If Utah, Bucks or Kings get the top 3 picks, i actually see Parker, Wiggins and Exum being selected before Embiid




If anything, he will go first and get traded down for the player they want plus a draft pick.

[chips93]

Kings already missed a golden chance to pair Drummond with Cuz no way they are idiotic enough to not pair him with Embiid and try resign Gay for cheaper a year after the draft.

you think one of those guys could play power forward? i dont really see it

if i were the bucks or utah id still take him first. hes on another level to favors. and who knows what the bucks have in sanders at this point.

[chocolatethunder]

you think one of those guys could play power forward? i dont really see it

if i were the bucks or utah id still take him first. hes on another level to favors. and who knows what the bucks have in sanders at this point.
I actually think Cousins could. He's talented he's just a pain in the ass. He's undersized at the five anyway.

[chips93]

I actually think Cousins could. He's talented he's just a pain in the ass. He's undersized at the five anyway.

that would make for some crazy matchups if they did, with the say so many teams play a stretch 4, or a small forward at the 4 for stretches, like melo, kd, or bron

[Milbuck]

Starting front court of Giannis, Sanders, Embiid with Henson off the bench? Just hand us the championship.

[chocolatethunder]

that would make for some crazy matchups if they did, with the say so many teams play a stretch 4, or a small forward at the 4 for stretches, like melo, kd, or bron
Obviously Cousins is not a stretch four but you can make teams adapt to you. You can be a team w a bruising front court if you'd like. It prob won't happen but it could create matchup probs for sure.

[Tking714]

I'm not on the Wiggins Hype wagon, but he still goes over Embiid.

You don't pass up on talented 6'7"-6'9" guys

[Milbuck]

I'm not on the Wiggins Hype wagon, but he still goes over Embiid.

You don't pass up on talented 6'7"-6'9" guys
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

How much college ball have you watched?

[oarabbus]

I'm not on the Wiggins Hype wagon, but he still goes over Embiid.

You don't pass up on talented 6'7"-6'9" guys

:biggums:

Why?


You always go with the big man. If there are some talented 6'7-6'9 guys go with the biggest man.

[Tking714]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

How much college ball have you watched?

I've followed all the top 10 projected picks. History shows that you just don't pass up on the potential of a 6'7"-6'9" who is that good. Skill is king. Ball handling and athleticism are what separate chumps from the greatest. And Wiggins has that. Also bigs bust more often than not.

NBA execs know all this already though.

[BoutPractice]

While it's true that this is an era for athletic SFs like Wiggins, a truly dominant big is the most powerful weapon in any era under any system of rules and coaching.

An athletic SF fits today's game. A dominant big can change the game and force the whole league to adapt to his presence.

[oarabbus]

I've followed all the top 10 projected picks. History shows that you just don't pass up on the potential of a 6'7"-6'9" who is that good. Skill is king. Ball handling and athleticism are what separate chumps from the greatest. And Wiggins has that. Also bigs bust more often than not.

NBA execs know all this already though.


History shows that you take the Olajuwons, Robinsons, KAJs, Wilts, Russells, Waltons, Shaqs, Oden's and even Anthony Davis' of the league. History does not show anything to the contrary.

[Milbuck]

I've followed all the top 10 projected picks. History shows that you just don't pass up on the potential of a 6'7"-6'9" who is that good. Skill is king. Ball handling and athleticism are what separate chumps from the greatest. And Wiggins has that. Also bigs bust more often than not.

NBA execs know all this already though.
Yeah, you haven't been watching.

Wiggins is not even close to the prospects you're referring to. Literally the only promising things about Wiggins as a prospect are his physical advantages, and defensive potential - which stems from his physical advantages. His offensive arsenal is limited, his touch around the rim is mediocre, his jumpshot is average, his handles are poor, his aggressiveness and willingness to take over are dangerously questionable, and his vision is nothing to be excited about. He's as perfect an example of athletic hype as you'll find in recent memory. I think he'll be a fantastic player in the NBA, but he just does not deserve to be taken ahead of his teammate.

Embiid is a 7 foot 250 pound monster with awesome athleticism, fluidity, body control - aside from guys like Shaq, Oden, Dwight, etc., he's about as good physically as it gets for a center prospect. His intelligence and feel for the game is just off the charts. He started playing serious basketball in 2011, and right now about 2.5-3 years later, he has the offensive arsenal, footwork, and feel for the game that probably 2/3 or more of current NBA centers couldn't dream of having. Defensively, his 7'5" wingspan and elite agility, body control, footwork, etc make him a beast on that end. He's not Oden, but he's damn good. 8 blocks in a recent game.

[Droid101]

History shows that you take the Olajuwons, Robinsons, KAJs, Wilts, Russells, Waltons, Shaqs, Oden's and even Anthony Davis' of the league. History does not show anything to the contrary.
The only time happened to be one of the most recent times, which is why people have this opinion. Durant is better than Oden. Not his fault, but it worked out that way.

[Tking714]

History shows that you take the Olajuwons, Robinsons, KAJs, Wilts, Russells, Waltons, Shaqs, Oden's and even Anthony Davis' of the league. History does not show anything to the contrary.

MJ
Bird
Magic
Kobe
Lebron
Barkley
Drexler
etc.

Recently Durant. George. Love. Griffin. MCW showing promise. Modern game is not big oriented

[outbreak]

MJ
Bird
Magic
Kobe
Lebron
Barkley
Drexler
etc.

Recently Durant. George. Love. Griffin. MCW showing promise. Modern game is not big oriented

the bigs who are performing lately are usually bigs with some guard still as well. There's of course exceptions to this but these days teams can get by with a big man who is just a defensive piece with talented players around him

[oarabbus]

MJ
Bird -6th pick, #1 pick was a C
Magic -1st pick
Kobe -13th draft pick
Lebron -1st pick
Barkley- drafted 5th, Hakeem 1st
Drexler - picked 14th, Sampson a C was 1st
etc.

Recently Durant. George. Love. Griffin. MCW showing promise. Modern game is not big oriented


I don't see how your post contradicts mine. History still shows that you gamble on the big man. Even Oden over Durant.

[Tking714]

I don't see how your post contradicts mine. History still shows that you gamble on the big man. Even Oden over Durant.

It doesn't contradict. It argues against yours. The teams who passed up on these guys end up regretting it. And in hindsight, that talented big wing you passed up on, that had everything, but a few dudes said he was too "raw" usually proves them wrong.

[Milbuck]

It doesn't contradict. It argues against yours. The teams who passed up on these guys end up regretting it. And in hindsight, that talented big wing you passed up on, that had everything, but a few dudes said he was too "raw" usually proves them wrong.
Respond to my post.

[Kingwillball]

This is for Future Reference but there is a Big man in NJ HS named Karl Towns who is UNDERRATED coming out of HS(top10 in rankings) but should be the #1 player coming out this class. He is the Most skilled 7 Footer at the HS level that many analysts have seen. He will be in the NBA within the next 2 to 3 years so keep an eye out but next year he will be at Kentucky.

http://highschoolsports.nj.com/news/article/3755430753693389275/karl-towns-has-skills-that-are-off-the-charts-stjoes-showing-signs-faces-in-the-crowd/

http://www.centralkynews.com/amnews/sports/college/uk/new-york-area-writer-marvels-at-uk-recruit-towns-skills/article_84e42c06-782f-11e3-831d-0019bb30f31a.html

[Tking714]

Yeah, you haven't been watching.

Wiggins is not even close to the prospects you're referring to. Literally the only promising things about Wiggins as a prospect are his physical advantages, and defensive potential - which stems from his physical advantages. His offensive arsenal is limited, his touch around the rim is mediocre, his jumpshot is average, his handles are poor, his aggressiveness and willingness to take over are dangerously questionable, and his vision is nothing to be excited about. He's as perfect an example of athletic hype as you'll find in recent memory. I think he'll be a fantastic player in the NBA, but he just does not deserve to be taken ahead of his teammate.

Embiid is a 7 foot 250 pound monster with awesome athleticism, fluidity, body control - aside from guys like Shaq, Oden, Dwight, etc., he's about as good physically as it gets for a center prospect. His intelligence and feel for the game is just off the charts. He started playing serious basketball in 2011, and right now about 2.5-3 years later, he has the offensive arsenal, footwork, and feel for the game that probably 2/3 or more of current NBA centers couldn't dream of having. Defensively, his 7'5" wingspan and elite agility, body control, footwork, etc make him a beast on that end. He's not Oden, but he's damn good. 8 blocks in a recent game.

Poor argument. Never understood this accusation.
Also a statement as vague as "not even close" You're the only person who thinks he's "not even close" to whatever... Those physical advantages are TOO big to pass up on. That's exactly what I'm saying. His offense is limited now, and it's getting better with each passing game. He's becoming reliable from the college three. And when he hits one ESPNs mouth waters. His left hand is iffy in the half court, but in transition he's just so good. Look at how often modern NBA teams get out on the break because of all these 3 point shots.

Also I haven't said Embiid isn't any of this. It's Wiggins spot to lose. And he aint losing it.

[Milbuck]

Poor argument. Never understood this accusation.
Also a statement as vague as "not even close" You're the only person who thinks he's "not even close" to whatever... Those physical advantages are TOO big to pass up on. That's exactly what I'm saying. His offense is limited now, and it's getting better with each passing game. He's becoming reliable from the college three. And when he hits one ESPNs mouth waters. His left hand is iffy in the half court, but in transition he's just so good. Look at how often modern NBA teams get out on the break because of all these 3 point shots.

Also I haven't said Embiid isn't any of this. It's Wiggins spot to lose. And he aint losing it.
It's not vague. You're stuck on those hoopmixtapes from high school. Anyone who's watched all the prospects this college season can see that Wiggins is without a doubt the most overrated prospect in this bunch. He could very well be great, but he hasn't shown anything that suggests he'll be greater than Embiid. And please don't cite ESPN as if their reactions/opinions mean anything more than ****.

Everyone is coming around with regards to Embiid. He's just a better prospect on both ends of the floor. I'm really excited about Wiggins. But at some point, we have to look at what they're actually doing. Not what we think they're capable of, but what they show us they're capable of.

[chocolatethunder]

It doesn't contradict. It argues against yours. The teams who passed up on these guys end up regretting it. And in hindsight, that talented big wing you passed up on, that had everything, but a few dudes said he was too "raw" usually proves them wrong.
I have to say, that I'm almost 42 and ever since I've been young teams historically take a big man as a gamble over a wing. Look at Bowie over Jordan or Pervis Ellison or Olowokandi or Joe Barry Carroll or even a bum like Dalembert. He was drafted in the first round because of his size certainly not because of his skill. The theory being that you can't teach height. I'm not saying that it's right but that's the way it is. After seeing this college season play out and see how quickly Embiid is progressing I think that its a given that he goes number one. If you look at a guy like Wiggins whose father played in the NBA and who grew up w a basketball in his hands and compare him to Embiid and how they've transitioned to playing against better competition, you can easliy say that Embiid has grown more and played better in relation to the minutes he's gotten. Wiggins has already lost his spot.

[oarabbus]

It's not vague. You're stuck on those hoopmixtapes from high school. Anyone who's watched all the prospects this college season can see that Wiggins is without a doubt the most overrated prospect in this bunch. He could very well be great, but he hasn't shown anything that suggests he'll be greater than Embiid. And please don't cite ESPN as if their reactions/opinions mean anything more than ****.

Everyone is coming around with regards to Embiid. He's just a better prospect on both ends of the floor. I'm really excited about Wiggins. But at some point, we have to look at what they're actually doing. Not what we think they're capable of, but what they show us they're capable of.

This. It seems to me at least that Embiid has shown more dominance than anyone else thus far.

[Tking714]

It's not vague. You're stuck on those hoopmixtapes from high school. Anyone who's watched all the prospects this college season can see that Wiggins is without a doubt the most overrated prospect in this bunch. He could very well be great, but he hasn't shown anything that suggests he'll be greater than Embiid. And please don't cite ESPN as if their reactions/opinions mean anything more than ****.

Everyone is coming around with regards to Embiid. He's just a better prospect on both ends of the floor. I'm really excited about Wiggins. But at some point, we have to look at what they're actually doing. Not what we think they're capable of, but what they show us they're capable of.

Why do you keep doing that. It takes away from your post.

I'm not citing ESPN I'm exaggerating the fact that scouts and media alike know what the deal is. He came in as the top prospect and he's not disappointing. You can't teach that athleticism he has. And each game he's improving the things people already know he needs to improve. He's an obvious student of the game.

Embiid is really good, but people are smartening up and going with the wings over the bigs. March Madness will make or break it.

[veilside23]

If utah gets it they should go for embiid .. i am not sold on kanter.

they already have hayward burke favors. so adding embiid would benefit more than what parker can give ... parker is not to much of an upgrade over hayward. but i would say hayward defends better. yes parker can still improve but hayward was a better defender than parker when hayward was still in college. and parker needs the ball on his hands to be effective. however if they would trade away hayward or let him walk... i dont know i might be wrong parker maybe a good player and can contribute right away but i wont be surprised to see "parker empty stats" thread here in ish

[Milbuck]

Why do you keep doing that. It takes away from your post.

I'm not citing ESPN I'm exaggerating the fact that scouts and media alike know what the deal is. He came in as the top prospect and he's not disappointing. You can't teach that athleticism he has. And each game he's improving the things people already know he needs to improve. He's an obvious student of the game.

Embiid is really good, but people are smartening up and going with the wings over the bigs. March Madness will make or break it.
There is just too much wrong with this post, I'm not even going to try.

[wakencdukest]

I have to say, that I'm almost 42 and ever since I've been young teams historically take a big man as a gamble over a wing. Look at Bowie over Jordan or Pervis Ellison or Olowokandi or Joe Barry Carroll or even a bum like Dalembert. He was drafted in the first round because of his size certainly not because of his skill. The theory being that you can't teach height. I'm not saying that it's right but that's the way it is. After seeing this college season play out and see how quickly Embiid is progressing I think that its a given that he goes number one. If you look at a guy like Wiggins whose father played in the NBA and who grew up w a basketball in his hands and compare him to Embiid and how they've transitioned to playing against better competition, you can easliy say that Embiid has grown more and played better in relation to the minutes he's gotten. Wiggins has already lost his spot.





Have to agree with chocolatethunder. Post players like this don't come around too often. Embiid impacts the game on both ends of the floor. The last 7 or 8 games I've watched, teams are sending double teams at him constantly and he's handling it, finding the open man or cutter. The times when he doesn't get doubled, he's just doing what he wants inside, and he's still raw. Teams just don't know what to do against him. Dude has massive potential at the next level.

[oarabbus]

Have to agree with chocolatethunder. Post players like this don't come around too often. Embiid impacts the game on both ends of the floor. The last 7 or 8 games I've watched, teams are sending double teams at him constantly and he's handling it, finding the open man or cutter. The times when he doesn't get doubled, he's just doing what he wants inside, and he's still raw. Teams just don't know what to do against him. Dude has massive potential at the next level.

Yes and it's very impressive. Great to see he isn't selfish and that he is dominant on the defensive end as much as offensively.

Can anyone comment on Embiid's body type? Are there signs that a player may be prone to Walton/Yao/Oden type injuries vs. Shaq/Duncan durability? Or is it just a crapshoot?

[chocolatethunder]

Yes and it's very impressive. Great to see he isn't selfish and that he is dominant on the defensive end as much as offensively.

Can anyone comment on Embiid's body type? Are there signs that a player may be prone to Walton/Yao/Oden type injuries vs. Shaq/Duncan durability? Or is it just a crapshoot?
I don't see a correlation between body type and injury. Big guys get injured and skinny guys get injured. Shaq and Duncan's bodies are nothing alike. Anyway, Embiid just needs to keep getting stronger.

[Milbuck]

Yes and it's very impressive. Great to see he isn't selfish and that he is dominant on the defensive end as much as offensively.

Can anyone comment on Embiid's body type? Are there signs that a player may be prone to Walton/Yao/Oden type injuries vs. Shaq/Duncan durability? Or is it just a crapshoot?
His body is fantastic for a center prospect. 7 footer with a 7'5" wingspan. He's a solid 240-250 pounds but doesn't look like it because he's so extremely gifted with his fluidity, body control, and overall athleticism. His frame is good, could definitely pack on another 20-25 pounds and be fine. He hasn't shown any signs of being injury-prone, but we can never really tell with big guys. I think he'll be fine though.

[veilside23]

Yes and it's very impressive. Great to see he isn't selfish and that he is dominant on the defensive end as much as offensively.

Can anyone comment on Embiid's body type? Are there signs that a player may be prone to Walton/Yao/Oden type injuries vs. Shaq/Duncan durability? Or is it just a crapshoot?

even if a dwight howard kinda built got injured after a number of years.
Its kinda hard to judge how healthy embiid can be... no one can really tell. But since his pro basketball life is just 3 years as what they say he maybe durable enough but again we cant say...