Casual fans' top 6...

[fpliii]

Disturbing, to say the least:

http://instagram.com/p/jIS-dYoKsZ/

The question was "If Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of all-time, who is second best?" The responses:

Shaquille O'Neal 25
Kobe Bryant 16
Magic Johnson 15
Larry Bird 13
LeBron James 9

[KendrickPerkins]

LeBron :oldlol: That's fcking disrespectful.

[BlazerRed]

LMFAO, Kareem just found a grave to go roll in :facepalm

[Rose'sACL]

why is that disturbing? those are top 10 of all time according to most people. call casuals now a days probably started watching NBA during jordan's time. younger ones probably started even later.
they only names that media talks about more often.

[Eye Test]

Magic
Jordan/Kobe (depending on what you had for breakfast)
Bird
Duncan
KAJ

[Rose'sACL]

LMFAO, Kareem and Jordan just found graves to go roll in :facepalm
why jordan?

[FrobeShaw]

Casuals really do think Kobe is number 2. It's almost a consensus, believe it or not.

[BlazerRed]

why jordan?

Missed the question. Took from the title. Will edit.

[fpliii]

why is that disturbing? those are top 10 of all time according to most people. call casuals now a days probably started watching NBA during jordan's time. younger ones probably started even later.
they only names that media talks about more often.
Not in the mood to get into it again dude. I'm a huge Shaq fan, but I think he's only the 5th best center ever.

Just a sign of the times, I guess. Thankfully my roommates/friends and others whom I watch games with, and people on these types of forums have seen a lot more ball, and wouldn't spew the same type of ignorance as those who were polled.

[Eye Test]

Casuals really do think Kobe is number 2. It's almost a consensus, believe it or not.

kobe just excels at the eye test, casual fans just love it, much like magic and jordan, these guys shaped the league

[FrobeShaw]

kobe just excels at the eye test, casual fans just love it, much like magic and jordan, these guys shaped the league

In a sense, sure. They believe Jordan is the GOAT and since Kobe mirrored his game to the greatest extent and along with his ring count makes him number 2. That's the argument. Nothing else. Casuals live and die by this argument.

[Eye Test]

In a sense, sure. They believe Jordan is the GOAT and since Kobe mirrored his game to the greatest extent and along with his ring count makes him number 2. That's the argument. Nothing else. Casuals live and die by this argument.

most casual fans would say number 2 is magic tho i dont know, i guess i just dont ask casuals these questions..

[FrobeShaw]

most casual fans would say number 2 is magic tho i dont know, i guess i just dont ask casuals these questions..

Most casuals think Barkley is just some tub of lard who played once a upon a time ago. They cannot tell you know the Dream is. They'll know Magic/Bird purely by name. Kobe ranks highly. Above all of them, from what I've seen.

[Black and White]

If casual fans go by they eye test then there is no doubt Kobe will be included in the GOAT players, he has one of the most beautiful games to watch, elite footwork and post-play.

The other players who have beautiful games to watch are Jordan and Hakeem, go figure.

LeBrons game is hella ugly.

[VIntageNOvel]

If casual fans go by they eye test then there is no doubt Kobe will be included in the GOAT players, he has one of the most beautiful games to watch, elite footwork and post-play.

The other players who have beautiful games to watch are Jordan and Hakeem, go figure.

LeBrons game is hella ugly.

lebrons game is famous amongst seafood lover :applause:

[Combat Wombat]

No Kareem?

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic

[Eye Test]

If casual fans go by they eye test then there is no doubt Kobe will be included in the GOAT players, he has one of the most beautiful games to watch, elite footwork and post-play.

The other players who have beautiful games to watch are Jordan and Hakeem, go figure.

LeBrons game is hella ugly.

:applause:

its refreshing to see people are going back to the unmatched eye test to evaluate players (faith in basketball fans restored). seriously, every stat/advanced stat is misleading in some sort of way, too much context is needed. the eye test rewards players who excel at the very essence of the sport

[rlsmooth775]

If casual fans go by they eye test then there is no doubt Kobe will be included in the GOAT players, he has one of the most beautiful games to watch, elite footwork and post-play.

The other players who have beautiful games to watch are Jordan and Hakeem, go figure.

LeBrons game is hella ugly.

Yeah guys who run fast and jump high are very hard to watch who wants to watch that only below the rim footwork is exciting :rolleyes:

[FrobeShaw]

LeBrons game is hella ugly.

His entire game consists of slashing, powerful dunks and cool passes. For a casual, I cannot possibly see how it's not exciting. You think they're appreciating fadeaways or "footwork"? Get real.

[kamil]

LeBrons game is hella ugly.

Truth.

[JebronLames]

If casual fans go by they eye test then there is no doubt Kobe will be included in the GOAT players, he has one of the most beautiful games to watch, elite footwork and post-play.

The other players who have beautiful games to watch are Jordan and Hakeem, go figure.

LeBrons game is hella ugly.
Casual fans don't know what footwork is, and dont know anything about post play. :facepalm They look at who is the better shooter and who makes more difficult looking shots.

[Black and White]

Yeah guys who run fast and jump high are very hard to watch who wants to watch that only below the rim footwork is exciting :rolleyes:

His game is erratic, his jumpshot is ugly.

[Black and White]

Casual fans don't know what footwork is, and dont know anything about post play. :facepalm They look at who is the better shooter and who makes more difficult looking shots.

LeBron is a better shooter? :roll: if they want to look at shooting they will go watch Durant or Melo

[VIntageNOvel]

eye-test wise, lebrons dunk is ugly as hell, stiff and looks awkward

westbrook's dunk is powerful and makes crowd goes wild, lebron's dunk is just "ohh another easy points"

[Eye Test]

lebrons game is famous amongst seafood lover :applause:

lebrons aesthetics are what i like to call fugly, there is a reason his best poster has wade in first person and bran in the background:

http://blogs.fox11online.com/files/2010/12/20101209_wade_AP1012060403683.jpg

there is some kind of beauty in his passing though, im willing to grant him that

[JebronLames]

LeBron is a better shooter? :roll: if they want to look at shooting they will go watch Durant or Melo
Wow. No, Kobe is. That's why most casual fans have him #2.

Back 2 back terrible posts.

[VIntageNOvel]

lebrons aesthetics are what i like to call fugly, there is a reason his best poster has wade in first person and bran in the background:

http://blogs.fox11online.com/files/2010/12/20101209_wade_AP1012060403683.jpg

there is some kind of beauty in his passing though, im willing to grant him that

:roll:

wade is so fukcin batman

[FrobeShaw]

LeBron is a better shooter? :roll: if they want to look at shooting they will go watch Durant or Melo

his point
.....
your head

[Black and White]

Wow. No, Kobe is. That's why most casual fans have him #2.

Back 2 back terrible posts.

Is Kobe playing right now? No, I said if a casual fan wants to look at a good shooter right now they are not looking at LeBron that's for sure, his airball rate is one of the highest among superstars.

[fpliii]

why is that disturbing? those are top 10 of all time according to most people. call casuals now a days probably started watching NBA during jordan's time. younger ones probably started even later.
they only names that media talks about more often.
Anyhow dude, I'm gonna try not to get into it again. I understand where you're coming from, since you're a big video guy, so we'll have to agree to disagree on the subject.

:cheers:

[pauk]

The actual "2nd bests" didnt even recieve any votes lol....

Bill Russell
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain

[rlsmooth775]

His game is erratic, his jumpshot is ugly.

Lol so the only exciting thing about basketball is shooting and fancy dribble moves guards do.

[Eye Test]

The actual "2nd bests" didnt even recieve any votes lol....

Bill Russell
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain

kareem not being on their radar is kind of disturbing, wilt and russell caant blame them, if i was introduced basketball in the 60's i might have ended being a cricket fan

[JebronLames]

Is Kobe playing right now? No, I said if a casual fan wants to look at a good shooter right now they are not looking at LeBron that's for sure, his airball rate is one of the highest among superstars.
Three peat.

[VIntageNOvel]

lebron's game is only for die hard fans, like a pulp movies

[fpliii]

The actual "2nd bests" didnt even recieve any votes lol....

Bill Russell
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Well, as they say, "seven-footers don't sell sneakers", my good man.

[Cold soul]

If casual fans go by they eye test then there is no doubt Kobe will be included in the GOAT players, he has one of the most beautiful games to watch, elite footwork and post-play.

The other players who have beautiful games to watch are Jordan and Hakeem, go figure.

LeBrons game is hella ugly.

Yes, indeed. But very affective.

Huge Kobe fan here but there's no way I would rank him as high as #2.

[Jameerthefear]

yeah kobe is mad overrated. i've heard casuals say he was #2

[Black and White]

Three peat.

Only if Paul George, Roy Hibbert, Kevin Durant, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Lamarcus Aldridge and Steph Curry get injured.

[Black and White]

Lol so the only exciting thing about basketball is shooting and fancy dribble moves guards do.

His dunks have no variation, Blake Griffins dunks >>>>> LeBron

[JebronLames]

Only if Paul George, Roy Hibbert, Kevin Durant, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Lamarcus Aldridge and Steph Curry get injured.
:lol wasn't talking about the heat.
Was talking about your three peat in terrible posts.
Now it's a four peat :banana:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

That not that bad beside Lebron i thought it be worse. Surprise that Shaq won since he and MJ at their best were the best ever.
I was expecting to see nikkas like Karl Malone, Allen Iverson or some sht:lol

[Eye Test]

yeah kobe is mad overrated. i've heard casuals say he was #2

i think you underrate bryant more than casuals overrate him jameer, perhaps its time you accept his greatness?

[rlsmooth775]

So according to casual fans and some of the posters on this forum stats and field goals mean nothing. The only thing that matters is how good your game looks with shooting and dribbling. Also apparently athletic players who run fast drive to the basket jump high and throw the ball down with power are boring :lol
Steph Curry >>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Duncan Clyde Drexler Charles Barkley

[Black and White]

:lol wasn't talking about the heat.
Was talking about your three peat in terrible posts.
Now it's a four peat :banana:

Silly Pauk lol

[Jameerthefear]

i think you underrate bryant more than casuals overrate him jameer, perhaps its time you accept his greatness?
already did, but someone better has come along (lebron)

[Eye Test]

So according to casual fans and some of the posters on this forum stats and field goals mean nothing. The only thing that matters is how good your game looks with shooting and dribbling. Also apparently athletic players who run fast drive to the basket jump high and throw the ball wn with power are boring :lol
Steph Curry >>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Duncan Clyde Drexler Charles Barkley

you make it look like the eye test is not the single best evaluator ever :biggums:

[Eye Test]

already did, but someone better has come along (lebron)

better than current kobe of course but i mean all time

[Jameerthefear]

better than current kobe of course but i mean all time
arguable atm, with the edge to lbj but Lebron will definitely end up the better player alltime.

[fpliii]

better than current kobe of course but i mean all time
lol cmon man...

[VIntageNOvel]

you make it look like the eye test is not the single best evaluator ever :biggums:


they are .xls fans :lol what do you expect

isnt the purposes of any sport competition is to attract the more audience/crowd? so actually casual fans opinion is more important than die hard fans (number wise)

[plowking]

How is that a bad list for casual fans?

All those players are top 10, even in Lebron's case, will be there, and all have been listed at number 2 on lists by basketball aficionado's, outside of maybe Kobe and Bron. But I'm certain even Kobe has.

[rlsmooth775]

you make it look like the eye test is not the single best evaluator ever :biggums:

Yeah the eye test is bull. Going by your logic Steph curry is far superior to Duncan.

[Eye Test]

Yeah the eye test is bull. Going by your logic Steph curry is far superior to Duncan.

there are always a few exceptions that confirm the tool, the eye test is not to be occupied by one who not posses criteria...furthermore, i'd like to add we don't know curry's ceiling right now

[rlsmooth775]

Lol the eye test is probably why casual fans think Scottie Pippen was this Superstar and the second best player after jordan in the 90s

[rlsmooth775]

there are always a few exceptions that confirm the tool, the eye test is not to be occupied by one who not posses criteria...furthermore, i'd like to add we don't know curry's ceiling right now

hahahaha obvious trolling just stop embarrassing yourself

[Eye Test]

hahahaha obvious trolling just stop embarrassing yourself

is this how you wish to end this fruitful conversation?

[rlsmooth775]

is this how you wish to end this fruitful conversation?

yeah i dont take you seriously

[FrobeShaw]

How can you even question the eye test? People showing their complete lack of understanding, I'm afraid. You have 2 eyes. Use them and test. It's simple. It works every time.

[Eye Test]

yeah i dont take you seriously

ok then rlsmooth775, i wish you the best of lucks in your future endeavors

[secund2nun]

Kobe "first round loser" Bryant is not even a top 20 player of all time.

[oarabbus]

Magic
Jordan/Kobe (depending on what you had for breakfast)
Bird
Duncan
KAJ

Maybe if I had shrooms for breakfast, but I don't even think psilocybin could make me debate between those two.

[Eye Test]

Maybe if I had shrooms for breakfast, but I don't even think psilocybin could make me debate between those two.

i do not wish to confront you

[Riley Martin]

Disturbing, to say the least:

http://instagram.com/p/jIS-dYoKsZ/

The question was "If Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of all-time, who is second best?" The responses:

Shaquille O'Neal 25
Kobe Bryant 16
Magic Johnson 15
Larry Bird 13
LeBron James 9


Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Russell
Hakeem
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
Oscar
LeBron
Moses


They're obviously wrong, but they're not disturbingly far off. It's understandable that casual fans would opt for the more exciting players. At least they're in the ballpark and didn't choose Iverson or McGrady.

[Black and White]

Kobe "first round loser" Bryant is not even a top 20 player of all time.

ok lol

[spree43]

They took the survey at the santa monica pier or something like that, they said it on the show

Thats why there are three recent Lakers at the top of the list

[JohnFreeman]

Well they are casual for a reason.
Jordan
Kareem
Bird
Magic
Russell
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
LeBron
Hakeem

Is my Top 10

[Black and White]

Well they are casual for a reason.
Jordan
Kareem
Bird
Magic
Russell
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
LeBron
Hakeem

Is my Top 10

Where is Kobe?

[JohnFreeman]

Where is Kobe?

11. Kobe
12. West

[hahaitme]

If you think about the term "casual fan" it's not really that crazy of a list.

[Purch]

Magic
Jordan/Kobe (depending on what you had for breakfast)
Bird
Duncan
KAJ
What the FCC?:wtf: