Lebron season at 29 vs MJ's season at 29

[Donkey4trading]

Who ya got?

Just remember that this is a little unfair to Jordan since his averages are over the course of an entire season, while Lebron's are over 36 games. One sample size is an entire season while the other is half a season.

Jordan @ 29: 32.6ppg/6.7rpg/5.5apg 2.8 steals/0.8 blocks on 49.5% FG, 35% from 3 & 84% FT. 2.7 turnovers per game


Lebron @ 29: 26.0ppg/6.6rpg/6.5apg 1.3 steal/0.3 blocks on 59.1% FG 40.5 % from 3 & 75% FT. 3.5 turnovers per game



Jordan's team won a championship that year & Jordan took home FMVP. The HEAT are the favorite to do the same.

[CNNonceAgain]

If people are arguing Durant is superior this year, then why even make this thread?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wrong season, MJ was 29 - 30 in 1993. The season you're looking for is 1992, when he was 28 - 29 years old. And of course the answer is Jordan. MVP, Finals MVP, 2x champion, epic playoff / Finals performances. GOAT gonna GOAT.

[Donkey4trading]

If people are arguing Durant is superior this year, then why even make this thread?

If people argue shit doesn't stink does that make it true?

[Donkey4trading]

Wrong season, MJ was 29 - 30 in 1993. The season you're looking for is 1992, when he was 28 - 29 years old. And of course the answer is Jordan. MVP, Finals MVP, 2x champion, epic playoff / Finals performances. GOAT gonna GOAT.


BBall reference counts MJ being 29 in the 92-93 season :confusedshrug:

[MP.Trey]

I wouldn't trade my donkey for either of them.

[Black and White]

MJ

/Thread

[Donkey4trading]

If people are arguing Durant is superior this year, then why even make this thread?

& Lebron is more efficient than both..

[TheReal Kendall]

MJ

[CNNonceAgain]

Wrong season, MJ was 29 - 30 in 1993. The season you're looking for is 1992, when he was 28 - 29 years old. And of course the answer is Jordan. MVP, Finals MVP, 2x champion, epic playoff / Finals performances. GOAT gonna GOAT.

Yeah, this thread is going places.

http://narwhaler.com/original/st/z/birds-abandon-thread-StZQ62.jpg

[SamuraiSWISH]

BBall reference counts MJ being 29 in the 92-93 season :confusedshrug:
BBall reference is wrong. His bday is Feb 17th, the middle of the season. I count his age when the season ends. The same way this is the 2014 season, and not the 2013 season. MJ won his 1st ring at 28, 2nd ring at 29, 3 peat at 30 years old. Retired at 31, came back at 32, won his 4th ring at 33.

[Donkey4trading]

Lebron is shooting near 60% & 40% from 3 you guys..TS is 67% which is unheard of..

this is a discussion.

[Lebron23]

How many accounts do you have markmadsen?? MJ is better than LBJ who wants to lead his team to four straight NBA finals appearance.

PS

LBJ is averaging 29 ppg on 60 FG%, 6 rpg, and 5 apg in the month of January. The Heat are 4-2.

[CNNonceAgain]

Lebron is shooting near 60% & 40% from 3 you guys..TS is 67% which is unheard of..

this is a discussion.

Not on this site, sadly. He's just "cherrypicking" because it's bad to take easier shots. Shaq was cherrypicking, too and Duncan was a way better player. Those bastards.

[Trollsmasher]

Can we at least wait for the season to end for these comparsions? LeBron always plays better in the scond half.

[Boarder Patrol]

The only argument LeBron has here is scoring efficiency.

I give this to MJ since LeBron's defense is wholly average this year.

[Donkey4trading]

Not on this site, sadly. He's just "cherrypicking" because it's bad to take easier shots. Shaq was cherrypicking, too and Duncan was a way better player. Those bastards.


with the current talk. I bet lebron's ppg goes up, and i bet his fg% only dips by 2-4 percent.

Lebron's impact on the game right now is pretty close to a prime Jordan. i concede that Jordans stats are more impressive, but the overall impact on the game and how the defense plans for both, is on the same level

[SamuraiSWISH]

I give this to MJ since LeBron's defense is wholly average this year.
That and rebounding numbers are extremely disappointing given his size, weight, versatility advantage over Jordan. Kind of shows MJ had more heart, and determination. And add the fact it's one of the weak points for the Heat team, and they'd need his energy in that facility more than anywhere else.

[CNNonceAgain]

The only argument LeBron has here is scoring efficiency.

I give this to MJ since LeBron's defense is wholly average this year.

And Jordan's defense was wholly overrated considering Pippen took all the real assignments. :confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

with the current talk. I bet lebron's ppg goes up, and i bet his fg% only dips by 2-4 percent.

Lebron's impact on the game right now is pretty close to a prime Jordan.
Ummm ... MJ was a 32 ppg, 7 rpg, 6 apg, 3 spg, 1 bpg on 50+ FG% in his prime, with superior defense. Slightly less versatility, but comparable team defense, easily superior man to man defense. That is better impact than current LeBron.

[215Philly]

The season not even over yet :facepalm

[Illuminati]

Can we at least wait for the season to end for these comparsions? LeBron always plays better in the scond half.

Pretty much this.

[Donkey4trading]

And Jordan's defense was wholly overrated considering Pippen took all the real assignments. :confusedshrug:

Jordan was a great defender as is Lebron (2nd in DPOY voting)

both are gunning for a 3rd straight title & FMVP in their respective year which is all that matters. I fully expect Lebron to be a 3xchampion 3XFMVP by the end of the year

[SamuraiSWISH]

Can we at least wait for the season to end for these comparsions? LeBron always plays better in the scond half.
Except for the playoffs. See 2013, 2011, 2010 for recent examples.

[Donkey4trading]

Pretty much this.

lebrons ppg will go up while his fg will basically stay the same. cant see it dipping down any further than 54%

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan was a great defender as is Lebron (2nd in DPOY voting)

both are gunning for a 3rd straight title & FMVP in their respective year which is all that matters. I fully expect Lebron to be a 3xchampion 3XFMVP by the end of the year
Jordan was a 2x champ at 29. Not in 1993. How do you not understand this? MJ had to do more heavy lifting at this age as well on his way to rings, given he didn't have the most loaded team in a weak conference.


lebrons ppg will go up while his fg will basically stay the same. cant see it dipping down any further than 54%
Until the playoffs, when he can't cheese / cherry pick easy buckets. Teams run out for 3 point shots, and clog the lane on drives. Forcing you to be a skilled mid range SHOOTER.

This when I can see LeBron's FG% dropping off a cliff. The way it normally does. Like last season when it dropped off well below his padded regular season averages.

[Donkey4trading]

Jordan was a 2x champ at 29. Not in 1993. How do you not understand this? MJ had to do more heavy lifting at this age as well on his way to rings, given he didn't have the most loaded team in a weak conference.


Until the playoffs, when he can't cheese / cherry pick easy buckets. Teams run out for 3 point shots, and clog the lane on drives. Forcing you to be a skilled mid range SHOOTER.

This when I can see LeBron's FG% dropping off a cliff. The way it normally does. Like last season when it dropped off well below his padded regular season averages.

i wouldn't say it drops off a cliff, everybody's fg% drops in the post season.

with a healthy wad the defense wont be as focused on lebron as they were last year

[SamuraiSWISH]

with a healthy wad the defense wont be as focused on lebron as they were last year
That's the other point. Healthy Wade puts more pressure on a defense than 1991 - 1993 Scottie Pippen. LeBron is afforded easier baskets given the talent he's playing with.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron since he makes teammates better and he does that all while coasting. he will end up with 28PPG too. also dat FG%:eek:
GOAT gonna GOAT

[kamil]

He's got significantly less steals and less blocks as well. MJ got DPOY *once* in his career, and it wasn't when he was 29 either.

So how the hell is LeBron* supposed to get DPOY with those ugly numbers? And why the hell is the media pushing for him to get it? He's a defensive SCRUB when it comes to getting DPOY honours.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

That's the other point. Healthy Wade puts more pressure on a defense than 1991 - 1993 Scottie Pippen. LeBron is afforded easier baskets given the talent he's playing with.
1991-93 bulls where better than Miami currently is. stop lying:coleman:

[SamuraiSWISH]

1991-93 bulls where better than Miami currently is. stop lying:coleman:
Well yea, they're better because the GOAT, #23. He didn't quit on his team as favorites in the Finals. Better because they didn't let teams linger around. They stomped them out. Didn't need to go 7 games in the Finals, either.

[ImKobe]

i wouldn't say it drops off a cliff, everybody's fg% drops in the post season.

with a healthy wad the defense wont be as focused on lebron as they were last year

focused on Lebron as in leave him wide open from 20 ft up, single coverage? How well did he shoot then? It was 45%ish.

Lebron's high fg% comes from getting great looks due to him being such a passing threat(he has great teammates now), he has 3pt shooters(Allen,Battier,Chalmers), a good scoring big(Bosh) and an elite wing player(Wade) spacing the floor for him, he gets single coverage, guys sag off him so he doesn't bulldoze to the rim. That leads to his improved 3pt% and overall the improved fg%. You can't double Lebron when you play against Miami.

Elite defenses will make Bron work hard for those layups and dunks that he gets against bad teams in the regular season. He had Boris Diaw and Kawhi leonard on him in the Finals and his fg% was under 40% before the last two games(when his jumper started falling).

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Well yea, they're better because the GOAT, #23. He didn't quit on his team as favorites in the Finals. Better because they didn't let teams linger around. They stomped them out. Didn't need to go 7 games in the Finals, either.
LeBron hasnt quit since enterin his prime either and MJ quit against the Pistons too:coleman:

[CNNonceAgain]

LeBron hasnt quit since enterin his prime either and MJ quit against the Pistons too:coleman:

You say outlandish shit to make people hate LeBron. I hope no one takes you seriously and thinks you're a fan of LeBron.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron hasnt quit since enterin his prime either and MJ quit against the Pistons too:coleman:
No, LeBron has literally quit mid series on his team 2x times in his absolute prime. As favorites no less.

MJ got frustrated for like a game with a sub par, mentally weak cast they continually crumbled under pressure before they broke through against Detroit. He wasn't giving up mid series, looking disengaged in winnable series ala LeBron in 2010, and 2011.

MJ got over the hump by enduring, he didn't cowardly bolt for greener pastures to circumvent the process, making things as easy as possible.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

No, LeBron has literally quit mid series on his team 2x times in his absolute prime. As favorites no less.

MJ got frustrated for like a game with a sub par, mentally weak cast before they broke through against Detroit. He wasn't giving up mid series, looking disengaged in winnable series ala LeBron in 2010, and 2011.

MJ got over the hump by enduring, he didn't cowardly bolt for greener pastures to circumvent the process, making things as easy as possible.
Lebrons absolute prime started in 2012 and 2011 were chemistry issues too. though i admit he quit against the Mavs:facepalm
he redeemed himself tho:coleman:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lebrons absolute prime started in 2012
No, it started in 2009. He didn't quit against the 2010 Boston Celtics? I mean literally after game 3 he looked totally disengaged the entire rest of the series. Was passive. Padded, and put up hollow box scores. He quit. Couldn't wait to take off his Cavs jersey.

That coward status.

[chosen_one6]

Oh look, another thread full of subjective bullshit and jerking off to men. Just another day on ISH.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

No, it started in 2009.
na jumper was to streaky back then. lets say LeBron has two primes. one started in 08-09 and the real prime started in 2012. lets wait for 3 more years till we judge his peak doe

[Micku]

Who ya got?

Just remember that this is a little unfair to Jordan since his averages are over the course of an entire season, while Lebron's are over 36 games. One sample size is an entire season while the other is half a season.

Jordan @ 29: 32.6ppg/6.7rpg/5.5apg 2.8 steals/0.8 blocks on 49.5% FG, 35% from 3 & 84% FT. 2.7 turnovers per game


Lebron @ 29: 26.0ppg/6.6rpg/6.5apg 1.3 steal/0.3 blocks on 59.1% FG 40.5 % from 3 & 75% FT. 3.5 turnovers per game



Jordan's team won a championship that year & Jordan took home FMVP. The HEAT are the favorite to do the same.

Season isn't over yet and MJ turned 29 years old in the 1992 season. It would be better if you calculate MJ stats compared to LeBron James stats at this point of the season.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

No, it started in 2009. He didn't quit against the 2010 Boston Celtics? I mean literally after game 3 he looked totally disengaged the entire rest of the series. Was passive. Padded, and put up hollow box scores. He quit. Couldn't wait to take off his Cavs jersey.

That coward status.
after 7years of carrying this sorry azz team he had to go up against a celtics superteam again and he finally quit.
you really gon blame him for that??:biggums:

[SamuraiSWISH]

na jumper was to streaky back then.
That doesn't mean he wasn't in his prime. In 2009 he made the leap to best player in the game. It was the clear cut start of his prime. His 6th season in the league. His peak will probably end up being 2010 - 2012.

[SamuraiSWISH]

after 7years of carrying this sorry azz team he had to go up against a celtics superteam again and he finally quit
Team wasn't that bad. Best defense, and rebounding team in the league. Either way, you don't quit mid way in a series like that on any team.

This wasn't a competitive guy, frustrated with circumstances for a game. Whole, winnable series ... AS FAVORITES and he quit.

He also quit with the most talent in the league on his team in 2011 doe.

:oldlol:

As I said, dat coward status.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

That doesn't mean he wasn't in his prime. In 2009 he made the leap to best player in the game. It was the clear cut start of his prime. His 6th season in the league. His peak will probably end up being 2010 - 2012.
hes now better than ever i dont think he already peaked and if so hes still in it:coleman:

[SamuraiSWISH]

hes now better than ever i dont think he already peaked and if so hes still in it:coleman:
His weak ass 2013 playoffs / Finals says otherwise.

[Megabox!]

Team wasn't that bad. Best defense, and rebounding team in the league. Either way, you don't quit mid way in a series like that on any team.

This wasn't a competitive guy, frustrated with circumstances for a game. Whole, winnable series ... AS FAVORITES and he quit.

He also quit with the most talent in the league on his team in 2011 doe.

:oldlol:

As I said, dat coward status.
How did he quit in 2011? The Mavs just played great team defense on him

[Marlo_Stanfield]

His weak ass 2013 playoffs / Finals says otherwise.
25/11/7 with GOAT game 7 performance is weak ass now?? only in the minds of the MJ stans maybe:oldlol:

[Milbuck]

25/11/7 with GOAT game 7 performance is weak ass now?? only in the minds of the MJ stans maybe:oldlol:

If Lebron played up to his standards the series shouldn't have sniffed 7 games. His "GOAT game 7 performance" should be tempered by the fact that if he didn't put up 16.6ppg on 38% shooting in the first 3 games, the series wouldn't have gone to 7.

Lebron's 2013 finals performance as a whole was a complete joke compared to some of MJ's finals and Giannis's future finals.

[Combat Wombat]

How did he quit in 2011? The Mavs just played great team defense on him

:facepalm

You obviously didn't watch the series if you honestly believe that.

The supposed "best player since MJ" being schooled by Jason fcking Terry and Shawn Marion. :roll:

[r0drig0lac]

If Lebron played up to his standards the series shouldn't have sniffed 7 games. His "GOAT game 7 performance" should be tempered by the fact that if he didn't put up 16.6ppg on 38% shooting in the first 3 games, the series wouldn't have gone to 7.

Lebron's 2013 finals performance as a whole was a complete joke compared to some of MJ's finals and Giannis's future finals.
I'm also in giannis wagon (even bet on him as roy in a sweepstake on facebook), but you're crazy

[CarryMeShaq]

Lebron on pace to become GOAT.:bowdown: :bowdown: :eek:

http://www.lolception.com/lollibs/memeimgs/85511488.jpg

[sportjames23]

Wrong season, MJ was 29 - 30 in 1993. The season you're looking for is 1992, when he was 28 - 29 years old. And of course the answer is Jordan. MVP, Finals MVP, 2x champion, epic playoff / Finals performances. GOAT gonna GOAT.


/thread

[Angel Face]

Everyone knows that Jordan is better, no need to embarrass LeBron stans.

[Milbuck]

Everyone knows that Jordan is Better, no need to embarrass LeBron stans.

They bring it on themselves. Gotta keep them in check

[CarryMeShaq]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B3GZTV7-5Oc/T-YyaSZChxI/AAAAAAAAAQA/4kOUEKH2iZ0/s1600/Lebron%2BVs%2BMJ.jpg

MJ better now, but not vastly better. Give Lebron time to prove himself.

[sportjames23]

:facepalm

You obviously didn't watch the series if you honestly believe that.

The supposed "best player since MJ" being schooled by Jason fcking Terry and Shawn Marion. :roll:


/open thread


That shit will never go away. :oldlol:


/thread

[sportjames23]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B3GZTV7-5Oc/T-YyaSZChxI/AAAAAAAAAQA/4kOUEKH2iZ0/s1600/Lebron%2BVs%2BMJ.jpg

MJ better now, but not vastly better. Give Lebron time to prove himself.


How much time he need? Bron's been in the league over 10 years. He's not gonna get better from this point on.

[CarryMeShaq]

How much time he need? Bron's been in the league over 10 years. He's not gonna get better from this point on.

He been improving every season, it's almost super human. Yes he's gonna get better. I'll predict his peak will be a playoff avg of 36/6/6 on decent efficiency.

[Angel Face]

:facepalm

You obviously didn't watch the series if you honestly believe that.

The supposed "best player since MJ" being schooled by Jason fcking Terry and Shawn Marion. :roll:

Don't forget JJ Barea! :lol

[Angel Face]

He been improving every season, it's almost super human. Yes he's gonna get better. I'll predict his peak will be a playoff avg of 36/6/6 on decent efficiency.

Agree, by the time he hits 30, he will have 10 flops per game. :applause:

[Leftimage]

Who ya got?

Just remember that this is a little unfair to Jordan since his averages are over the course of an entire season, while Lebron's are over 36 games. One sample size is an entire season while the other is half a season.

Jordan @ 29: 32.6ppg/6.7rpg/5.5apg 2.8 steals/0.8 blocks on 49.5% FG, 35% from 3 & 84% FT. 2.7 turnovers per game


Lebron @ 29: 26.0ppg/6.6rpg/6.5apg 1.3 steal/0.3 blocks on 59.1% FG 40.5 % from 3 & 75% FT. 3.5 turnovers per game



Jordan's team won a championship that year & Jordan took home FMVP. The HEAT are the favorite to do the same.


Lack of minutes-per-game stat...

per 36 minutes

Jordan 29.8 / 6 / 5 - 11.6/23.5 fga
Lebron 25.4 / 6.5 / 6.3 - 9.3/15.8 fga


I pick Lebron.


PS: 8 more missed field goals per game for Jordan... essentially 8 turnovers.

[Donkey4trading]

Lack of minutes-per-game stat...

per 36 minutes

Jordan 29.8 / 6 / 5 - 11.6/23.5 fga
Lebron 25.4 / 6.5 / 6.3 - 9.3/15.8 fga


I pick Lebron.


PS: 8 more missed field goals per game for Jordan... essentially 8 turnovers.

one of the most unintelligent comments in awhile..


anyways as for the minutes go

Jordan in 93: MPG = 39

Lebron 2014: MPG = 37

:confusedshrug:

[Leftimage]

one of the most unintelligent comments in awhile..


anyways as for the minutes go

Jordan in 93: MPG = 39

Lebron 2014: MPG = 37

:confusedshrug:

39.3

36.8

I mean if you're doing a stats-based comparison... you do understand the relevance of mpg in that case, right?

[AintNoSunshine]

No matter what happens in the remainder of the season Mj's peak is still better, but what's your point? Mj is the GOAT and Lebron isn't far behind, that's all you need to know.

[Dragonyeuw]

but the overall impact on the game and how the defense plans for both, is on the same level

Really? I'd be curious to see a team employ a strategy of 'let MJ shoot' in the finals, and then see how long the coach is employed after the fact.

[Donkey4trading]

39.3

36.8

I mean if you're doing a stats-based comparison... you do understand the relevance of mpg in that case, right?

do you understand the difference between 39.3 and 36.8 is a two and a half minute difference in minutes played per game.

[sportjames23]

Really? I'd be curious to see a team employ a strategy of 'let MJ shoot' in the finals, and then see how long the coach is employed after the fact.


Right? :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Really? I'd be curious to see a team employ a strategy of 'let MJ shoot' in the finals, and then see how long the coach is employed after the fact.
Portland did it for 1 half, let MJ shoot the three ball and result? 35 points in 15 minutes, not even a full half of basketball.

[Andrei89]

MJ is the GOAT

what is the point of this thread?

[KirbyPls]

Lebron is my all-time favorite player, but MJ is GOAT, and Lebron will never reach MJ.

[Young X]

Lack of minutes-per-game stat...

per 36 minutes

Jordan 29.8 / 6 / 5 - 11.6/23.5 fga
Lebron 25.4 / 6.5 / 6.3 - 9.3/15.8 fga


I pick Lebron.


PS: 8 more missed field goals per game for Jordan... essentially 8 turnovers.8 more FGA doesn't mean 8 more missed shots. :roll: