no way Durant is winning MVP

[Connor B]

Even if he is putting up amazing stats the media is going to vote for the best player on one of the two or three best teams. As the thunder start to fall in the seedings the chance of Durant winning drops drastically. At this point Paul George is probably ahead of him.


He better hope Westbrook gets back

[Black and White]

Even if he is putting up amazing stats the media is going to vote for the best player on one of the two or three best teams. As the thunder start to fall in the seedings the chance of Durant winning drops drastically. At this point Paul George is probably ahead of him.


He better hope Westbrook gets back

Ok bro, keep telling yourself that

[Fudge]

Now I know FOR SURE Durant is winning MVP. :oldlol: You're like the new konex brah, you proud of that?

[IncarceratedBob]

He might, but he also might not.

[Joyner82reload]

Let's go ahead and destroy this LeBron is a worthy challenger to Durant at this point.

Points per game
Durant is averaging 29.8 ppg
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg

Advantage: Durant

Rebounding
Durant is averaging 8.2 rpg
LeBron is averaging 6.6 rpg

Advantage: Durant

Playmaking
Durant is averaging 4.9 apg
LeBron is averaging 6.5 apg

This would appear as an advantage for LeBron. 2 things to take into account. 1 being the fact Durant plays off of the ball, while LeBron is on the ball. 2 Durant's assists have skyrocketed to 5.6 since Westbrook has gone down.

Now this is where it gets fun.

Durant averages 5.0 apg on a team that averages 21.8 apg, 22.94% of OKC's assists
LeBron averages 6.5 apg on a team that averages 23.5 apg, 27.65% of Miami's total assists
Durant averages 3.0 TO/g on a team that is averaging 15.2 TO/g, 19.74% of OKC's TOV's
LeBron averages 3.5 TO/g on a team that is averaging 14.6 TO/g, 23.97% of Miami's TOV's

Dividing % of Assists by % of turnovers yields this
Durant 1.162
LeBron 1.153

Kevin Durant has actually been a better playmaker, taking turnovers into account, than LeBron James thus far this season.

Advantage: Durant

Efficiency
A lot of people have been hyping up LeBron because of his 67.2 TS% vs Durant's @ 62.7%

Taking both LeBron & Durant's stats away, here are the team's TS%
Miami is @ 57.77 TS%, meaning LeBron is +9.43 above his team average
OKC is @ 53.84 TS%, meaning Durant is +8.86 above his team average

Going even further, taking out fast break offense, where LeBron feasts as he's on pace to set a record for fast break dunks.

Miami is scoring 1.0 PPP. LeBron James is scoring 1.06 PPP. +.06 above his team average
OKC on the otherhand is scoring .94 PPP. Kevin Durant is scoring 1.09 PPP. .15 above his team average

Advantage: Durant

Man defense
Player's guarded by Durant in ISO situations are shooting 23.5% from the field and turning the ball over 20.8% of the time. This results in a net of .50 PPP
Players guarded by LeBron in ISO situations are shooting 40.5% from the field and turning the ball over 9.3% of the time. This results in a net of .95 PPP

Players are scoring at almost twice the rate against LeBron that they are vs Durant

Finally OKC's record without Westbrook
OKC is indeed 5-5 without Westbrook, which is alarming
Miami on the otherhand is 4-5 without Wade

In these 10 games
Durant is averaging 34.2 ppg 8.6 rpg 5.4 apg 1.9 TOV 62.6 TS%
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg 5.1 rpg 6.8 apg 3.2 TOV 62.5 TS%

OKC is 28-10 to date playing the #11 schedule in the league while Miami is 27-10 playing the #27 schedule in the league

Putting all of this together, 1 thing is very clear. Kevin Durant is the run away MVP at this point.

Just for good measure here are the advanced stats as well

PER:Durant 29.9, LeBron 29.3
WSp48: Durant .318, LeBron .276
ORTG: Durant 123, LeBron 122
DRTG: Durant 99, LeBron 103
WARP: Durant 13.4, LeBron 12.4
VA: Durant 401.8, LeBron 371.4
Efficiency: Durant 90.11, LeBron 86.33
ESPN Rating: Durant 49.2, 45.8
Roland Rating: Durant +14, LeBron +12.2
Production NET: Durant +21.2, LeBron +18.9

And just getting it out of the way, let's talk about the FT's that Durant is "gifted"


Taking out fast break all shot attempts and technical fouls
LeBron James has been attempted 263 FT's and 463 FG's. 1.76 FG's per FT attempt
Kevin Durant has attempted 350 FT's and 621 FG's. 1.77 FG's per FT attempt

Summary: LeBron James is actually going to the free throw line at a higher rate than Kevin Durant in the half court

[Connor B]

I love how you guys assume I'm a hater or Lebron stan. He probably deserves to win but you children need to understand the media voters doesn't care about all your advanced stats

[oarabbus]

He might, but he also might not.


:durantunimpressed:

[MUGEN]

Too early to call man

[JebronLames]

He's the favorite at this point. But watch what lebron does tomorrow. He's gonna drop 40-8-8.

[Inferno]

Let's go ahead and destroy this LeBron is a worthy challenger to Durant at this point.

Points per game
Durant is averaging 29.8 ppg
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg

Advantage: Durant

Rebounding
Durant is averaging 8.2 rpg
LeBron is averaging 6.6 rpg

Advantage: Durant

Playmaking
Durant is averaging 4.9 apg
LeBron is averaging 6.5 apg

This would appear as an advantage for LeBron. 2 things to take into account. 1 being the fact Durant plays off of the ball, while LeBron is on the ball. 2 Durant's assists have skyrocketed to 5.6 since Westbrook has gone down.

Now this is where it gets fun.

Durant averages 5.0 apg on a team that averages 21.8 apg, 22.94% of OKC's assists
LeBron averages 6.5 apg on a team that averages 23.5 apg, 27.65% of Miami's total assists
Durant averages 3.0 TO/g on a team that is averaging 15.2 TO/g, 19.74% of OKC's TOV's
LeBron averages 3.5 TO/g on a team that is averaging 14.6 TO/g, 23.97% of Miami's TOV's

Dividing % of Assists by % of turnovers yields this
Durant 1.162
LeBron 1.153

Kevin Durant has actually been a better playmaker, taking turnovers into account, than LeBron James thus far this season.

Advantage: Durant

Efficiency
A lot of people have been hyping up LeBron because of his 67.2 TS% vs Durant's @ 62.7%

Taking both LeBron & Durant's stats away, here are the team's TS%
Miami is @ 57.77 TS%, meaning LeBron is +9.43 above his team average
OKC is @ 53.84 TS%, meaning Durant is +8.86 above his team average

Going even further, taking out fast break offense, where LeBron feasts as he's on pace to set a record for fast break dunks.

Miami is scoring 1.0 PPP. LeBron James is scoring 1.06 PPP. +.06 above his team average
OKC on the otherhand is scoring .94 PPP. Kevin Durant is scoring 1.09 PPP. .15 above his team average

Advantage: Durant

Man defense
Player's guarded by Durant in ISO situations are shooting 23.5% from the field and turning the ball over 20.8% of the time. This results in a net of .50 PPP
Players guarded by LeBron in ISO situations are shooting 40.5% from the field and turning the ball over 9.3% of the time. This results in a net of .95 PPP

Players are scoring at almost twice the rate against LeBron that they are vs Durant

Finally OKC's record without Westbrook
OKC is indeed 5-5 without Westbrook, which is alarming
Miami on the otherhand is 4-5 without Wade

In these 10 games
Durant is averaging 34.2 ppg 8.6 rpg 5.4 apg 1.9 TOV 62.6 TS%
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg 5.1 rpg 6.8 apg 3.2 TOV 62.5 TS%

OKC is 28-10 to date playing the #11 schedule in the league while Miami is 27-10 playing the #27 schedule in the league

Putting all of this together, 1 thing is very clear. Kevin Durant is the run away MVP at this point.

Just for good measure here are the advanced stats as well

PER:Durant 29.9, LeBron 29.3
WSp48: Durant .318, LeBron .276
ORTG: Durant 123, LeBron 122
DRTG: Durant 99, LeBron 103
WARP: Durant 13.4, LeBron 12.4
VA: Durant 401.8, LeBron 371.4
Efficiency: Durant 90.11, LeBron 86.33
ESPN Rating: Durant 49.2, 45.8
Roland Rating: Durant +14, LeBron +12.2
Production NET: Durant +21.2, LeBron +18.9

And just getting it out of the way, let's talk about the FT's that Durant is "gifted"


Taking out fast break all shot attempts and technical fouls
LeBron James has been attempted 263 FT's and 463 FG's. 1.76 FG's per FT attempt
Kevin Durant has attempted 350 FT's and 621 FG's. 1.77 FG's per FT attempt

Summary: LeBron James is actually going to the free throw line at a higher rate than Kevin Durant in the half court

:applause:

[Trollsmasher]

Damn, this guy is inventing new statistics and ways to fit the numbers into his own agenda within a matter of minutes. The part about % of team assists to % of assists had me rolling:roll:

[ssginc]

Finally OKC's record without Westbrook
OKC is indeed 5-5 without Westbrook, which is alarming
Miami on the otherhand is 4-5 without Wade[/B]

Actually the Thunder are 7-6 (after tonight's loss), which is not all that alarming when you consider Durant's supporting cast without Westbrook.

Other than that your post is spot on.

[Joyner82reload]

Damn, this guy is inventing new statistics and ways to fit the numbers into his own agenda within a matter of minutes. The part about % of team assists to % of assists had me rolling:roll:

You do realize that is no different from AST-TO ratio from a team perspective, right? Durant is playing at a damn near GOAT level right now and forced to deal with the worst supporting cast imaginable.

[Trollsmasher]

You do realize that is no different from AST-TO ratio from a team perspective, right? Durant is playing at a damn near GOAT level right now and forced to deal with the worst supporting cast imaginable.
No, it's just BS, just like the rest of your post.

Half of it is worthless with you taking out the fastbreak offense for no logical reason.

You deliberately leave out every other defensive statistic you got from Synergy apart from ISO to make Durant seem better while in fact people score more on him in all situations combined.

You use raw stats when it suits you in one case and advanced when it suits you in another.

Simply too much BS in one post.

[Fire Colangelo]

Let's go ahead and destroy this LeBron is a worthy challenger to Durant at this point.

Points per game
Durant is averaging 29.8 ppg
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg

Advantage: Durant

Rebounding
Durant is averaging 8.2 rpg
LeBron is averaging 6.6 rpg

Advantage: Durant

Playmaking
Durant is averaging 4.9 apg
LeBron is averaging 6.5 apg

This would appear as an advantage for LeBron. 2 things to take into account. 1 being the fact Durant plays off of the ball, while LeBron is on the ball. 2 Durant's assists have skyrocketed to 5.6 since Westbrook has gone down.

Now this is where it gets fun.

Durant averages 5.0 apg on a team that averages 21.8 apg, 22.94% of OKC's assists
LeBron averages 6.5 apg on a team that averages 23.5 apg, 27.65% of Miami's total assists
Durant averages 3.0 TO/g on a team that is averaging 15.2 TO/g, 19.74% of OKC's TOV's
LeBron averages 3.5 TO/g on a team that is averaging 14.6 TO/g, 23.97% of Miami's TOV's

Dividing % of Assists by % of turnovers yields this
Durant 1.162
LeBron 1.153

Kevin Durant has actually been a better playmaker, taking turnovers into account, than LeBron James thus far this season.

Advantage: Durant

Efficiency
A lot of people have been hyping up LeBron because of his 67.2 TS% vs Durant's @ 62.7%

Taking both LeBron & Durant's stats away, here are the team's TS%
Miami is @ 57.77 TS%, meaning LeBron is +9.43 above his team average
OKC is @ 53.84 TS%, meaning Durant is +8.86 above his team average

Going even further, taking out fast break offense, where LeBron feasts as he's on pace to set a record for fast break dunks.

Miami is scoring 1.0 PPP. LeBron James is scoring 1.06 PPP. +.06 above his team average
OKC on the otherhand is scoring .94 PPP. Kevin Durant is scoring 1.09 PPP. .15 above his team average

Advantage: Durant

Man defense
Player's guarded by Durant in ISO situations are shooting 23.5% from the field and turning the ball over 20.8% of the time. This results in a net of .50 PPP
Players guarded by LeBron in ISO situations are shooting 40.5% from the field and turning the ball over 9.3% of the time. This results in a net of .95 PPP

Players are scoring at almost twice the rate against LeBron that they are vs Durant

Finally OKC's record without Westbrook
OKC is indeed 5-5 without Westbrook, which is alarming
Miami on the otherhand is 4-5 without Wade

In these 10 games
Durant is averaging 34.2 ppg 8.6 rpg 5.4 apg 1.9 TOV 62.6 TS%
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg 5.1 rpg 6.8 apg 3.2 TOV 62.5 TS%

OKC is 28-10 to date playing the #11 schedule in the league while Miami is 27-10 playing the #27 schedule in the league

Putting all of this together, 1 thing is very clear. Kevin Durant is the run away MVP at this point.

Just for good measure here are the advanced stats as well

PER:Durant 29.9, LeBron 29.3
WSp48: Durant .318, LeBron .276
ORTG: Durant 123, LeBron 122
DRTG: Durant 99, LeBron 103
WARP: Durant 13.4, LeBron 12.4
VA: Durant 401.8, LeBron 371.4
Efficiency: Durant 90.11, LeBron 86.33
ESPN Rating: Durant 49.2, 45.8
Roland Rating: Durant +14, LeBron +12.2
Production NET: Durant +21.2, LeBron +18.9

And just getting it out of the way, let's talk about the FT's that Durant is "gifted"


Taking out fast break all shot attempts and technical fouls
LeBron James has been attempted 263 FT's and 463 FG's. 1.76 FG's per FT attempt
Kevin Durant has attempted 350 FT's and 621 FG's. 1.77 FG's per FT attempt

Summary: LeBron James is actually going to the free throw line at a higher rate than Kevin Durant in the half court

:applause: 4 minutes after op made the thread

[russwest0]

Let's go ahead and destroy this LeBron is a worthy challenger to Durant at this point.

Points per game
Durant is averaging 29.8 ppg
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg

Advantage: Durant

Rebounding
Durant is averaging 8.2 rpg
LeBron is averaging 6.6 rpg

Advantage: Durant

Playmaking
Durant is averaging 4.9 apg
LeBron is averaging 6.5 apg

This would appear as an advantage for LeBron. 2 things to take into account. 1 being the fact Durant plays off of the ball, while LeBron is on the ball. 2 Durant's assists have skyrocketed to 5.6 since Westbrook has gone down.

Now this is where it gets fun.

Durant averages 5.0 apg on a team that averages 21.8 apg, 22.94% of OKC's assists
LeBron averages 6.5 apg on a team that averages 23.5 apg, 27.65% of Miami's total assists
Durant averages 3.0 TO/g on a team that is averaging 15.2 TO/g, 19.74% of OKC's TOV's
LeBron averages 3.5 TO/g on a team that is averaging 14.6 TO/g, 23.97% of Miami's TOV's

Dividing % of Assists by % of turnovers yields this
Durant 1.162
LeBron 1.153

Kevin Durant has actually been a better playmaker, taking turnovers into account, than LeBron James thus far this season.

Advantage: Durant

Efficiency
A lot of people have been hyping up LeBron because of his 67.2 TS% vs Durant's @ 62.7%

Taking both LeBron & Durant's stats away, here are the team's TS%
Miami is @ 57.77 TS%, meaning LeBron is +9.43 above his team average
OKC is @ 53.84 TS%, meaning Durant is +8.86 above his team average

Going even further, taking out fast break offense, where LeBron feasts as he's on pace to set a record for fast break dunks.

Miami is scoring 1.0 PPP. LeBron James is scoring 1.06 PPP. +.06 above his team average
OKC on the otherhand is scoring .94 PPP. Kevin Durant is scoring 1.09 PPP. .15 above his team average

Advantage: Durant

Man defense
Player's guarded by Durant in ISO situations are shooting 23.5% from the field and turning the ball over 20.8% of the time. This results in a net of .50 PPP
Players guarded by LeBron in ISO situations are shooting 40.5% from the field and turning the ball over 9.3% of the time. This results in a net of .95 PPP

Players are scoring at almost twice the rate against LeBron that they are vs Durant

Finally OKC's record without Westbrook
OKC is indeed 5-5 without Westbrook, which is alarming
Miami on the otherhand is 4-5 without Wade

In these 10 games
Durant is averaging 34.2 ppg 8.6 rpg 5.4 apg 1.9 TOV 62.6 TS%
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg 5.1 rpg 6.8 apg 3.2 TOV 62.5 TS%

OKC is 28-10 to date playing the #11 schedule in the league while Miami is 27-10 playing the #27 schedule in the league

Putting all of this together, 1 thing is very clear. Kevin Durant is the run away MVP at this point.

Just for good measure here are the advanced stats as well

PER:Durant 29.9, LeBron 29.3
WSp48: Durant .318, LeBron .276
ORTG: Durant 123, LeBron 122
DRTG: Durant 99, LeBron 103
WARP: Durant 13.4, LeBron 12.4
VA: Durant 401.8, LeBron 371.4
Efficiency: Durant 90.11, LeBron 86.33
ESPN Rating: Durant 49.2, 45.8
Roland Rating: Durant +14, LeBron +12.2
Production NET: Durant +21.2, LeBron +18.9

And just getting it out of the way, let's talk about the FT's that Durant is "gifted"


Taking out fast break all shot attempts and technical fouls
LeBron James has been attempted 263 FT's and 463 FG's. 1.76 FG's per FT attempt
Kevin Durant has attempted 350 FT's and 621 FG's. 1.77 FG's per FT attempt

Summary: LeBron James is actually going to the free throw line at a higher rate than Kevin Durant in the half court

LMAO YOU KILLED HIM

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Fcking GOAT poster here

[edrick]

Anyone watching these games knows Lebron has been coasting many of the games, especially on defense. He takes entire quarters off from playing any kind of defense. lol

[Fire Colangelo]

Anyone watching these games knows Lebron has been coasting many of the games, especially on defense. He takes entire quarters off from playing any kind of defense. lol

Which is why he shouldn't get mvp over durant. Coasting isn't an excuse.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Which is why he shouldn't get mvp over durant. Coasting isn't an excuse.
Exactly. This is Durant's year. Hopefully LeBron's coasting is just to keep his legs fresh for playoffs. I'm not saying Durant will win it all, but he should get the MVP if things continue as is.

[edrick]

Which is why he shouldn't get mvp over durant. Coasting isn't an excuse.

Not an excuse. I don't think Lebron should win either.

[JohnFreeman]

Not an excuse. I don't think Lebron should win either.

I think LeBron is bored of the regular season MVPs. He has tasted the champagne

[Smook A.]

no one can win without help

[GrapeApe]

The two head to head matchups will go a long way in determining the MVP. The Thunder have to at least split. If the Heat go 2-0 and continue their dominance over the Thunder, voters will be less inclined to vote for Durant regardless of how well he plays.

[Leftimage]

Lol at the one page post by Pauk's new nemesis.

''taking out this..''

''taking out that...''

Dude, this isn't an election. This is a no-spin zone.

Lebron James is better at basketball. I'm sorry.

[JBrizzy]

Durant is not even very good. He seems to have lost a step this year and is putting up a lot of empty stats.

[KendrickPerkins]

Durant is not even very good
:lol

[BlazerRed]

Let's go ahead and destroy this LeBron is a worthy challenger to Durant at this point.

Points per game
Durant is averaging 29.8 ppg
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg

Advantage: Durant

Rebounding
Durant is averaging 8.2 rpg
LeBron is averaging 6.6 rpg

Advantage: Durant

Playmaking
Durant is averaging 4.9 apg
LeBron is averaging 6.5 apg

This would appear as an advantage for LeBron. 2 things to take into account. 1 being the fact Durant plays off of the ball, while LeBron is on the ball. 2 Durant's assists have skyrocketed to 5.6 since Westbrook has gone down.

Now this is where it gets fun.

Durant averages 5.0 apg on a team that averages 21.8 apg, 22.94% of OKC's assists
LeBron averages 6.5 apg on a team that averages 23.5 apg, 27.65% of Miami's total assists
Durant averages 3.0 TO/g on a team that is averaging 15.2 TO/g, 19.74% of OKC's TOV's
LeBron averages 3.5 TO/g on a team that is averaging 14.6 TO/g, 23.97% of Miami's TOV's

Dividing % of Assists by % of turnovers yields this
Durant 1.162
LeBron 1.153

Kevin Durant has actually been a better playmaker, taking turnovers into account, than LeBron James thus far this season.

Advantage: Durant

Efficiency
A lot of people have been hyping up LeBron because of his 67.2 TS% vs Durant's @ 62.7%

Taking both LeBron & Durant's stats away, here are the team's TS%
Miami is @ 57.77 TS%, meaning LeBron is +9.43 above his team average
OKC is @ 53.84 TS%, meaning Durant is +8.86 above his team average

Going even further, taking out fast break offense, where LeBron feasts as he's on pace to set a record for fast break dunks.

Miami is scoring 1.0 PPP. LeBron James is scoring 1.06 PPP. +.06 above his team average
OKC on the otherhand is scoring .94 PPP. Kevin Durant is scoring 1.09 PPP. .15 above his team average

Advantage: Durant

Man defense
Player's guarded by Durant in ISO situations are shooting 23.5% from the field and turning the ball over 20.8% of the time. This results in a net of .50 PPP
Players guarded by LeBron in ISO situations are shooting 40.5% from the field and turning the ball over 9.3% of the time. This results in a net of .95 PPP

Players are scoring at almost twice the rate against LeBron that they are vs Durant

Finally OKC's record without Westbrook
OKC is indeed 5-5 without Westbrook, which is alarming
Miami on the otherhand is 4-5 without Wade

In these 10 games
Durant is averaging 34.2 ppg 8.6 rpg 5.4 apg 1.9 TOV 62.6 TS%
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg 5.1 rpg 6.8 apg 3.2 TOV 62.5 TS%

OKC is 28-10 to date playing the #11 schedule in the league while Miami is 27-10 playing the #27 schedule in the league

Putting all of this together, 1 thing is very clear. Kevin Durant is the run away MVP at this point.

Just for good measure here are the advanced stats as well

PER:Durant 29.9, LeBron 29.3
WSp48: Durant .318, LeBron .276
ORTG: Durant 123, LeBron 122
DRTG: Durant 99, LeBron 103
WARP: Durant 13.4, LeBron 12.4
VA: Durant 401.8, LeBron 371.4
Efficiency: Durant 90.11, LeBron 86.33
ESPN Rating: Durant 49.2, 45.8
Roland Rating: Durant +14, LeBron +12.2
Production NET: Durant +21.2, LeBron +18.9

And just getting it out of the way, let's talk about the FT's that Durant is "gifted"


Taking out fast break all shot attempts and technical fouls
LeBron James has been attempted 263 FT's and 463 FG's. 1.76 FG's per FT attempt
Kevin Durant has attempted 350 FT's and 621 FG's. 1.77 FG's per FT attempt

Summary: LeBron James is actually going to the free throw line at a higher rate than Kevin Durant in the half court

:eek: ether! The return of Joyner is sweet :bowdown:

[livinglegend]

Let's go ahead and destroy this LeBron is a worthy challenger to Durant at this point.

Points per game
Durant is averaging 29.8 ppg
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg

Advantage: Durant

Rebounding
Durant is averaging 8.2 rpg
LeBron is averaging 6.6 rpg

Advantage: Durant

Playmaking
Durant is averaging 4.9 apg
LeBron is averaging 6.5 apg

This would appear as an advantage for LeBron. 2 things to take into account. 1 being the fact Durant plays off of the ball, while LeBron is on the ball. 2 Durant's assists have skyrocketed to 5.6 since Westbrook has gone down.

Now this is where it gets fun.

Durant averages 5.0 apg on a team that averages 21.8 apg, 22.94% of OKC's assists
LeBron averages 6.5 apg on a team that averages 23.5 apg, 27.65% of Miami's total assists
Durant averages 3.0 TO/g on a team that is averaging 15.2 TO/g, 19.74% of OKC's TOV's
LeBron averages 3.5 TO/g on a team that is averaging 14.6 TO/g, 23.97% of Miami's TOV's

Dividing % of Assists by % of turnovers yields this
Durant 1.162
LeBron 1.153

Kevin Durant has actually been a better playmaker, taking turnovers into account, than LeBron James thus far this season.

Advantage: Durant

Efficiency
A lot of people have been hyping up LeBron because of his 67.2 TS% vs Durant's @ 62.7%

Taking both LeBron & Durant's stats away, here are the team's TS%
Miami is @ 57.77 TS%, meaning LeBron is +9.43 above his team average
OKC is @ 53.84 TS%, meaning Durant is +8.86 above his team average

Going even further, taking out fast break offense, where LeBron feasts as he's on pace to set a record for fast break dunks.

Miami is scoring 1.0 PPP. LeBron James is scoring 1.06 PPP. +.06 above his team average
OKC on the otherhand is scoring .94 PPP. Kevin Durant is scoring 1.09 PPP. .15 above his team average

Advantage: Durant

Man defense
Player's guarded by Durant in ISO situations are shooting 23.5% from the field and turning the ball over 20.8% of the time. This results in a net of .50 PPP
Players guarded by LeBron in ISO situations are shooting 40.5% from the field and turning the ball over 9.3% of the time. This results in a net of .95 PPP

Players are scoring at almost twice the rate against LeBron that they are vs Durant

Finally OKC's record without Westbrook
OKC is indeed 5-5 without Westbrook, which is alarming
Miami on the otherhand is 4-5 without Wade

In these 10 games
Durant is averaging 34.2 ppg 8.6 rpg 5.4 apg 1.9 TOV 62.6 TS%
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg 5.1 rpg 6.8 apg 3.2 TOV 62.5 TS%

OKC is 28-10 to date playing the #11 schedule in the league while Miami is 27-10 playing the #27 schedule in the league

Putting all of this together, 1 thing is very clear. Kevin Durant is the run away MVP at this point.

Just for good measure here are the advanced stats as well

PER:Durant 29.9, LeBron 29.3
WSp48: Durant .318, LeBron .276
ORTG: Durant 123, LeBron 122
DRTG: Durant 99, LeBron 103
WARP: Durant 13.4, LeBron 12.4
VA: Durant 401.8, LeBron 371.4
Efficiency: Durant 90.11, LeBron 86.33
ESPN Rating: Durant 49.2, 45.8
Roland Rating: Durant +14, LeBron +12.2
Production NET: Durant +21.2, LeBron +18.9

And just getting it out of the way, let's talk about the FT's that Durant is "gifted"


Taking out fast break all shot attempts and technical fouls
LeBron James has been attempted 263 FT's and 463 FG's. 1.76 FG's per FT attempt
Kevin Durant has attempted 350 FT's and 621 FG's. 1.77 FG's per FT attempt

Summary: LeBron James is actually going to the free throw line at a higher rate than Kevin Durant in the half court

:facepalm
You have a lot of time to waste and on top of that, you re dumb.

[insidehoops]

Durant is not even very good.

:biggums:

[Milbuck]

Giannis and IlyaGOATva are obviously the co-favorites, but it's a little unfair to say "there's no way Durant" can win it. Anything can happen.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:biggums:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ripper76]

MVP has been a pretty meaningless award for awhile.

Durant will probably get it because voters feel he's over due and there's LeBron fatigue. LeBron is clearly the better player but I don't care about individual awards, I just want another championship for Miami.

[Trollsmasher]

Lebron JAmes is coasting and his stats are just as good as Durants.
ur mad as fck up in here:roll: :roll: :roll:
You can really see how hard he had to twist and adjust those numbers to give Durant at least a minimal advantage over LeBron:lol

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Lol at the one page post by Pauk's new nemesis.

''taking out this..''

''taking out that...''

Dude, this isn't an election. This is a no-spin zone.

Lebron James is better at basketball. I'm sorry.
:applause: :applause:

[longtime lurker]

I love the new narrative by Lebron stans "OMG he's just coasting!" well if he's coasting he obviously doesn't deserve to be MVP. Durant just flat out outplaying him so far.

[JBrizzy]

I just mean he is one of the biggest chokers in the league. To be honest I like the guy, but he is second-rate. He will never win a ring. He is too interested in himself instead of being a team player.

Stats don't tell the true story. He has shown himself to be a choker on the big stage. It was a little sad to see him crying in his mother's arms after their appearance in the Finals. I think that was his best year personally. He's declined a little since then. Doesn't have that killer instinct anymore.

Changing topic but I would love to see him traded to the Wizards.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I just mean he is one of the biggest chokers in the league. To be honest I like the guy, but he is second-rate. He will never win a ring. He is too interested in himself instead of being a team player.

Stats don't tell the true story. He has shown himself to be a choker on the big stage. It was a little sad to see him crying in his mother's arms after their appearance in the Finals. I think that was his best year personally. He's declined a little since then. Doesn't have that killer instinct anymore.

Changing topic but I would love to see him traded to the Wizards.

look i dont really like Durant because of his Ft flopping as of lately but i wont ever blame him for crying after a finals loss. who knows when he will be in such a good position to win it all again:coleman:

[GoranDragon]

I don't see him winning it while playing on the same team as Westbrook. Doesn't warrant Most Valuable Player when you have a top 5 all star point guard playing alongside you.

[ArbitraryWater]

Damn, this guy is inventing new statistics and ways to fit the numbers into his own agenda within a matter of minutes. The part about % of team assists to % of assists had me rolling:roll:

:oldlol:

yea wtf never seen that before. Inventic metrics to make KD look better in every aspect :roll:

[Uncle Drew]

Stop making threads.

[freshperry]

Are the thunder and heat playing this year? I remember last year or the year before durant was competing for mvp and then lbj destroyed durant dead to head which tipped the favour towards him. I honestly think the mvp award comes down to the hype surrounding the player while backing it up with stats/record.

[Purch]

Why are people clapping for that post. Do you understand the level of straight bs he used to try and make Kd out to be a superior playmaker to Lebon. Seriously did you guys even read how he reached that conclusion ?

[leMVP]

He's putting empty numbers ala kobe in 2006.

i'm disappointed, i thought he got more and westbrook is holding him.

[Solefade]

The two head to head matchups will go a long way in determining the MVP. The Thunder have to at least split. If the Heat go 2-0 and continue their dominance over the Thunder, voters will be less inclined to vote for Durant regardless of how well he plays.


this pretty much.

especially when Durant's been losing despite what kind of numbers he's putting up. when lebron was putting up those numbers in his MVP years at least his teams were winning.

[T.O.RapsJays]

I'm a big fan of Durant, as well as LeBron, but lol at the massive cherry picking in the first page.

[HurricaneKid]

Playmaking
Durant is averaging 4.9 apg
LeBron is averaging 6.5 apg

This would appear as an advantage for LeBron. 2 things to take into account. 1 being the fact Durant plays off of the ball, while LeBron is on the ball. 2 Durant's assists have skyrocketed to 5.6 since Westbrook has gone down.

Now this is where it gets fun.

Durant averages 5.0 apg on a team that averages 21.8 apg, 22.94% of OKC's assists
LeBron averages 6.5 apg on a team that averages 23.5 apg, 27.65% of Miami's total assists
Durant averages 3.0 TO/g on a team that is averaging 15.2 TO/g, 19.74% of OKC's TOV's
LeBron averages 3.5 TO/g on a team that is averaging 14.6 TO/g, 23.97% of Miami's TOV's

Dividing % of Assists by % of turnovers yields this
Durant 1.162
LeBron 1.153

Kevin Durant has actually been a better playmaker, taking turnovers into account, than LeBron James thus far this season.

Advantage: Durant


A for creativity.

F for grasp on reality/math

++++

Might as well rebuke with this calculation:

Kevin Durant is 3X the playmaker LeBron is so 3X his asst total of 4.9, plus his rebounding avg over the last 8 games of 7.6 X his PPG of 29.8 = 666.

And no one will vote for the devil so LeBron wins.

++++

The truth is KD is ahead. But he was ahead year too until LeBron completely undressed him in the H2H then ran off 27 straight wins. LeBron ended up with 120/121 of the MVP votes and the other one went to Melo. So arguing who is ahead at this point is downright silly.

[Nash]

Let's go ahead and destroy this LeBron is a worthy challenger to Durant at this point.

Points per game
Durant is averaging 29.8 ppg
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg

Advantage: Durant

Rebounding
Durant is averaging 8.2 rpg
LeBron is averaging 6.6 rpg

Advantage: Durant

Playmaking
Durant is averaging 4.9 apg
LeBron is averaging 6.5 apg

This would appear as an advantage for LeBron. 2 things to take into account. 1 being the fact Durant plays off of the ball, while LeBron is on the ball. 2 Durant's assists have skyrocketed to 5.6 since Westbrook has gone down.

Now this is where it gets fun.

Durant averages 5.0 apg on a team that averages 21.8 apg, 22.94% of OKC's assists
LeBron averages 6.5 apg on a team that averages 23.5 apg, 27.65% of Miami's total assists
Durant averages 3.0 TO/g on a team that is averaging 15.2 TO/g, 19.74% of OKC's TOV's
LeBron averages 3.5 TO/g on a team that is averaging 14.6 TO/g, 23.97% of Miami's TOV's

Dividing % of Assists by % of turnovers yields this
Durant 1.162
LeBron 1.153

Kevin Durant has actually been a better playmaker, taking turnovers into account, than LeBron James thus far this season.

Advantage: Durant

Efficiency
A lot of people have been hyping up LeBron because of his 67.2 TS% vs Durant's @ 62.7%

Taking both LeBron & Durant's stats away, here are the team's TS%
Miami is @ 57.77 TS%, meaning LeBron is +9.43 above his team average
OKC is @ 53.84 TS%, meaning Durant is +8.86 above his team average

Going even further, taking out fast break offense, where LeBron feasts as he's on pace to set a record for fast break dunks.

Miami is scoring 1.0 PPP. LeBron James is scoring 1.06 PPP. +.06 above his team average
OKC on the otherhand is scoring .94 PPP. Kevin Durant is scoring 1.09 PPP. .15 above his team average

Advantage: Durant

Man defense
Player's guarded by Durant in ISO situations are shooting 23.5% from the field and turning the ball over 20.8% of the time. This results in a net of .50 PPP
Players guarded by LeBron in ISO situations are shooting 40.5% from the field and turning the ball over 9.3% of the time. This results in a net of .95 PPP

Players are scoring at almost twice the rate against LeBron that they are vs Durant

Finally OKC's record without Westbrook
OKC is indeed 5-5 without Westbrook, which is alarming
Miami on the otherhand is 4-5 without Wade

In these 10 games
Durant is averaging 34.2 ppg 8.6 rpg 5.4 apg 1.9 TOV 62.6 TS%
LeBron is averaging 26.0 ppg 5.1 rpg 6.8 apg 3.2 TOV 62.5 TS%

OKC is 28-10 to date playing the #11 schedule in the league while Miami is 27-10 playing the #27 schedule in the league

Putting all of this together, 1 thing is very clear. Kevin Durant is the run away MVP at this point.

Just for good measure here are the advanced stats as well

PER:Durant 29.9, LeBron 29.3
WSp48: Durant .318, LeBron .276
ORTG: Durant 123, LeBron 122
DRTG: Durant 99, LeBron 103
WARP: Durant 13.4, LeBron 12.4
VA: Durant 401.8, LeBron 371.4
Efficiency: Durant 90.11, LeBron 86.33
ESPN Rating: Durant 49.2, 45.8
Roland Rating: Durant +14, LeBron +12.2
Production NET: Durant +21.2, LeBron +18.9

And just getting it out of the way, let's talk about the FT's that Durant is "gifted"


Taking out fast break all shot attempts and technical fouls
LeBron James has been attempted 263 FT's and 463 FG's. 1.76 FG's per FT attempt
Kevin Durant has attempted 350 FT's and 621 FG's. 1.77 FG's per FT attempt

Summary: LeBron James is actually going to the free throw line at a higher rate than Kevin Durant in the half court
What the actual feck did you just do? You just basically took whatever Lebron was doing better, divided it and subtracted while using team success and removing team success whenever it fits Durant.

:biggums:

[NumberSix]

Durant = empty stats.

[Joyner82reload]

:applause: OP, spurred the Thunder on a 7 game win streak to claim 1st in the West

[BlazerRed]

Durant = empty stats.
Durant = empty stats. Durant = can't win on his own.

:facepalm

[RoseCity07]

I still believe Lebron is the MVP of the NBA but Kevin Durant has more than made his case to win it this year. Throw out the scoring numbers, he's rebounding and getting assists, and most importantly the Thunder are winning games. I think the team with the better record should win it.

[KevinDurant35]

:applause: OP, spurred the Thunder on a 7 game win streak to claim 1st in the West
I gotta admit, no one can stan better than you. You have all these incredible numbers to back up every argument. I couldn't do that even if I tried. You are on a level of your own. You are my hero man. :applause: :cheers:

[russwest0]

I still believe Lebron is the MVP of the NBA but Kevin Durant has more than made his case to win it this year. Throw out the scoring numbers, he's rebounding and getting assists, and most importantly the Thunder are winning games. I think the team with the better record should win it.

LeBron has literally zero case over Durant this year. Durant is flat out playing better and his team has a better record even though they've been without Westbrook almost half the season and have the 6th toughest SOS... Miami has the easiest SOS in the league.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I still believe Lebron is the MVP of the NBA but Kevin Durant has more than made his case to win it this year. Throw out the scoring numbers, he's rebounding and getting assists, and most importantly the Thunder are winning games. I think the team with the better record should win it.

You haven't watched a single basketball game in January. Admit it.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I think Joyner is Pauk's evil twin. Literally the exact same poster down to the novels written about their player. Can anyone adjust stats for usage rate? I'm not that good at statistics.

[Joyner82reload]

I still believe Lebron is the MVP of the NBA but Kevin Durant has more than made his case to win it this year. Throw out the scoring numbers, he's rebounding and getting assists, and most importantly the Thunder are winning games. I think the team with the better record should win it.

LeBron has no case :roll:

Hell America doesn't even think he's the best player in the league anymore

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2ywib2b.jpg

:lol

[nightprowler10]

:biggums:
This gets me every time. :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Analysts tried telling us Durant was the best in the game before the 2012 Finals.

Wha....wha.....what happened?

[PsychoBe]

Analysts tried telling us Durant was the best in the game before the 2012 Finals.

Wha....wha.....what happened?

welcome to 2014

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2ywib2b.jpg

[KG215]

Since OP made this thread:

January 16 (OKC at HOU) - W: 36 pts, 7 ast, 5 reb, 8/21 FG, 2/7 3P 18/20 FT

January 17 (OKC vs GSW) - W: 54 pts, 6 ast, 4 reb, 2 stl, 1 blk, 19/28 FG, 5/9 3P, 11/13 FT

January 19 (OKC vs SAC) - W: 30 pts, 9 ast, 6 reb, 4 stl, 2 blk, 10/15 FG, 3/5 3P, 7/9 FT

January 21 (OKC vs POR) - W: 46 pts, 4 ast, 5 reb, 17/25 FG, 6/7 3P, 6/7 FT

January 22 (OKC at SAS) - W: 36 pts, 5 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 12/22 FG, 2/4 3P, 10/11 FT

January 25 (OKC at PHI) - W: 32 pts, 10 ast, 14 reb, 2 stl, 1 blk, 12/17 FG, 1/4 3P, 7/7 FT



Averages (6 Games): 39.0 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 6.8 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .609 FG%, .528 3P%, .881 FT%, .743 TS%


OKC is 6-0 with wins over four teams with a combined record of 122-58 (.678 win%).

[TheMarkMadsen]

Since OP made this thread:

January 16 (OKC at HOU) - W: 36 pts, 7 ast, 5 reb, 8/21 FG, 2/7 3P 18/20 FT

January 17 (OKC vs GSW) - W: 54 pts, 6 ast, 4 reb, 2 stl, 1 blk, 19/28 FG, 5/9 3P, 11/13 FT

January 19 (OKC vs SAC) - W: 30 pts, 9 ast, 6 reb, 4 stl, 2 blk, 10/15 FG, 3/5 3P, 7/9 FT

January 21 (OKC vs POR) - W: 46 pts, 4 ast, 5 reb, 17/25 FG, 6/7 3P, 6/7 FT

January 22 (OKC at SAS) - W: 36 pts, 5 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 12/22 FG, 2/4 3P, 10/11 FT

January 25 (OKC at PHI) - W: 32 pts, 10 ast, 14 reb, 2 stl, 1 blk, 12/17 FG, 1/4 3P, 7/7 FT



Averages (6 Games): 39.0 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 6.8 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .609 FG%, .528 3P%, .881 FT%, .743 TS%


OKC is 6-0 with wins over four teams with a combined record of 122-58 (.678 win%).

i'll take this over 6 straight 30 points games of 60%+ FG, any day of the week

[Fudge]

:roll:

[riseagainst]

:roll:

[CelticBaller]

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/happy-adorable-kid-wearing-helmet-16450402.jpg

[Black and White]

Another epic fail, courtesy of Connor B

[zoom17]

This gif fits the thread.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3914361/Russ-Troll.gif

[BrainDead]

This gif fits the thread.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3914361/Russ-Troll.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/851934542.gif

[LONGTIME]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2706373/lebronrun.gif

[KG215]

Forgot all about this thread. Connor B really does have that konex power. Soon as he makes this thread Durant begins his insane stretch of insane game after insane game.