Why did Lebron s ''superstar'' teammates average 16/5/46% and 12/7/46% in playoffs?

[livinglegend]

16/5 for ALPHA wade, he was hurt, but still Lebron didnt get ''superstar'' help...
, but Bosh
12/7 while getting abused by Hibbert and Duncan :facepalm

[KendrickPerkins]

Why,

do you...

type like ,

This?

Ya random.

[Illuminati]

Most important game of his career, Bosh went for 0 points and Duncan dropped 24/12 on him.

Just a crazy myth started by Kobe stans, mainly ripthekik.

[bluechox2]

bron ball hoged

[KendrickPerkins]

bron ball hoged
This too.

Didn't get them involved in those games nearly enough.

[TheMarkMadsen]

well lets see

faced the sad ass bucks who i don't even think had a winning record. Ray averaged 17, two other players averaged 13+

second round faced the injury riddled bulls, Lebron struggled but luckily it doesn't take much offense to beat the 2013 Bulls, 3 other HEAT players averaged double digits on 50+% shooting, while Lebron averaged 23 on 44%.

ECF Lebron was clearly the leader, played great and won the series even with his team struggling shooting the ball

Finals, first 4 games were pretty lousy for Bron. Wade averaged 20/4/5 on better shooting than Lebron, there were also 4 other HEAT players who averaged 10+ ppg in that series, lets not forget Ray and the bail out shot either

[plowking]

Bosh hardly got abused by Duncan. It was a very even match-up apart from the last two games. Even in game 6, rewatching it, Bosh actually played great defense on just about every Duncan shot. Duncan just made them, and he made some ridiculous ones.

Saying that though, offensively, Wade and Bosh were terrible. Wade had two good games the whole series, and Bosh had a bunch of average and below average games, and the stinker in game 7.

Saying that though, Bron only had 4 good games himself. What won us the series was Bron and whichever other player decided to step up on the night.

[navy]

Wade had knee problems and Bosh was worn down guarding Hibbert and Duncan. It really isnt complicated or Lebron related why they struggled.

[livinglegend]

well lets see

faced the sad ass bucks who i don't even think had a winning record. Ray averaged 17, two other players averaged 13+

second round faced the injury riddled bulls, Lebron struggled but luckily it doesn't take much offense to beat the 2013 Bulls, 3 other HEAT players averaged double digits on 50+% shooting, while Lebron averaged 23 on 44%.

ECF Lebron was clearly the leader, played great and won the series even with his team struggling shooting the ball

Finals, first 4 games were pretty lousy for Bron. Wade averaged 20/4/5 on better shooting than Lebron, there were also 4 other HEAT players who averaged 10+ ppg in that series, lets not forget Ray and the bail out shot either

Yeah and i m not seeing ''superstar'' stats or ''superstar'' kind of plays display in your post.
Yeah, Lebron needed his teammates to win the championship just like every other player in the history of the game.

[navy]

Wade hasnt been a Superstar since 2011. Bosh was never a superstar.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

This too.

Didn't get them involved in those games nearly enough.
LOL there were multiple games where LeBron gave up scoring for entire quaters to get them involved. Wade sometimes proceeded to miss 3-4 open layups one game and Bosh at one point bricked 10 of his beloved midrange Jumpers in a row. of course was nowhere to be found in the paint on offense vs Hibbert and Duncan.
LeBrons title run 2013 was the title run with worst teammates since at least Hakeem and everybody knows it.
Only Kobe and Jordan stans like to put dirt on that saying he had a weak finals, when he averaged 25/11/7 against a team with three legit HoF and top 10 player of all time with a deep bench and the GOAT Coach.:facepalm
Epic title run in retroperspective.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Wade hasnt been a Superstar since 2011. Bosh was never a superstar.
:applause: :applause:

[Micku]

Wade had knee problems and Bosh was worn down guarding Hibbert and Duncan. It really isnt complicated or Lebron related why they struggled.

Bosh also was dealing with an ankle injury from the Pacers series, granted both players could've played better. Wade played his best in the Finals, tho still wasn't great.

[KendrickPerkins]

LOL there were multiple games where LeBron gave up scoring for entire quaters to get them involved. Wade sometimes proceeded to miss 3-4 open layups one game and Bosh at one point bricked 10 of his beloved midrange Jumpers in a row. of course was nowhere to be found in the paint on offense vs Hibbert and Duncan.
LeBrons title run 2013 was the title run with worst teammates since at least Hakeem and everybody knows it.
Only Kobe and Jordan stans like to put dirt on that saying he had a weak finals, when he averaged 25/11/7 against a team with three legit HoF and top 10 player of all time with a deep bench and the GOAT Coach.:facepalm
Epic title run in retroperspective.
No man, still didn't get them involved enough. That's on Bron.

[navy]

bron ball hoged
The only game lebron ball hogged was Game 5 vs the Pacers. Although he was still passing to Haslem who was beasting. :bowdown:

[JebronLames]

Wade was worse than his numbers show. Defenses paid less attention to him plus lebron was going out of his way to get him going.

[TheCorporation]

well lets see

faced the sad ass bucks who i don't even think had a winning record. Ray averaged 17, two other players averaged 13+



Wow! 13 points! What a huge burst of help...



second round faced the injury riddled bulls, Lebron struggled but luckily it doesn't take much offense to beat the Bulls


Struggled? Lost one fluke game = struggled. Gotcha




Finals, first 4 games were pretty lousy for Bron. Wade averaged 20/4/5 on better shooting than Lebron, there were also 4 other HEAT players who averaged 10+ ppg in that series, lets not forget Ray and the bail out shot either

Great, you failed to address everything the OP mentioned. Will have t.o remember to neg you when we get our ability to rep again...:facepalm

Not to mention you failed to mention Bosh scored ZERO, yes, ZERO points in the Game 7 Finals while Duncan abused him and put up 24/12.

[Milbuck]

well lets see

faced the sad ass bucks who i don't even think had a winning record. Ray averaged 17, two other players averaged 13+

second round faced the injury riddled bulls, Lebron struggled but luckily it doesn't take much offense to beat the 2013 Bulls, 3 other HEAT players averaged double digits on 50+% shooting, while Lebron averaged 23 on 44%.

ECF Lebron was clearly the leader, played great and won the series even with his team struggling shooting the ball

Finals, first 4 games were pretty lousy for Bron. Wade averaged 20/4/5 on better shooting than Lebron, there were also 4 other HEAT players who averaged 10+ ppg in that series, lets not forget Ray and the bail out shot either

Closest sweep in NBA history. Miami does not want to see us in the PS

[Rose'sACL]

while i get that OP is a troll. If you talk about 2012 finals, everyone talks about bad play by harden as if it was not heat's defense that made it possible and try to make it up like hrden didn't play well in most of the postseason.
If those excuses are made OK and try to belittle heat's finals win then heat should get more praise for winning with both wade and bosh struggling on offense.

[J Shuttlesworth]

No man, still didn't get them involved enough. That's on Bron.
What in the world are you talking about? A lot of people were saying he should've passed it to them less because Bosh kept bricking his jumpers, or staying out at the 3pt line... Wade was just throwing the ball to the other team :biggums: If you watched the games, you'd see him trying to get them involved. Wade averaged 15 attempts per game and Bosh averaged 10 in the playoffs. How is that LeBron ballhogging? I mean how do you average 7 assists in the playoffs if you're a ballhog? Quit pulling stuff out of your ass, porkins.

[Milbuck]

dats cuz u aint gon be in now posteason for some time:lol :lol

Well of course, the playoffs are like 3 months away

[Trollsmasher]

OP should've used TS%, because that really shows how awful they were (Wade with sub 50%)

[Eye Test]

please, lets not make excuses for the stacked team at south beach, it is what it is, maybe some day lebron will play with what other superstars have managed to win it all, until that day, embrace the "stacked" label

[TMT]

Really? Resorting to diminishing his great surrounding cast in order to make Lebron look better? Not all of the big three can put up 20ppg averages; not to mention they have depth that goes beyond the big three who put up big performances in the playoffs. Stop it.

[Rose'sACL]

Really? Resorting to diminishing his great surrounding cast in order to make Lebron look better? Not all of the big three can put up 20ppg averages; not to mention they have depth that goes beyond the big three who put up big performances in the playoffs. Stop it.
give me stats of those permances. but when you do, post their stats for whole playoffs like ray allen and battier's 3 pt fg% against indiana which made that series go to 7. they were missing wide open 3s. in reality if even 3 players on heat played to their average play, heat would have won more easily in playoffs.
also, Miami was stacked in playoffs in 2012. they weren't stacked in 2013. they just had great talent players that most of the time didn't play well.

[rip2]

Only reason their stats are so low is because Lebron dominates the ball so much.. in fact, one can actually make an argument here with the OP, that Lebron makes his teammates worse.

Wade has shown he still can show up with that 41 points on 17/25 FG, 10 REB game. Bosh has shown he can take over as he is the heat's clutchest player and put the team on his back many times this season. Lebron doesn't really make his teammates improve at all, in fact, makes them worst.

So why does Lebron makes his teammates worst?
Wade: ex-FMVP, top 3 player in the league, top 2 SG becoming who is he today.
Bosh: Top 5 PF in the game, annual all star, becoming who is he today.

Wade without Lebron in finals: 1 ring FMVP. Lebron without Wade in finals: swept.:oldlol:

For comparison, look at Kobe and how he transformed Gasol. An easy stat would be.. Gasol 0-20 in playoff games without Kobe?

[VIntageNOvel]

to answer op's question: because lebron doesnt make his teammate better :confusedshrug:

nah in fact he makes his superstar teammates worse

ill give him prop though, just like MDA, he makes scrub better

[Rose'sACL]

Only reason their stats are so low is because Lebron dominates the ball so much.. in fact, one can actually make an argument here with the OP, that Lebron makes his teammates worse.

Wade has shown he still can show up with that 41 points on 17/25 FG, 10 REB game. Bosh has shown he can take over as he is the heat's clutchest player and put the team on his back many times this season. Lebron doesn't really make his teammates improve at all, in fact, makes them worst.

So why does Lebron makes his teammates worst?
Wade: ex-FMVP, top 3 player in the league, top 2 SG becoming who is he today.
Bosh: Top 5 PF in the game, annual all star, becoming who is he today.

Wade without Lebron in finals: 1 ring FMVP. Lebron with Wade in finals: swept.:oldlol:

For comparison, look at Kobe and how he transformed Gasol. An easy stat would be.. Gasol 0-20 in playoff games without Kobe?
bosh never does well against any good defensive big in playoffs. that is the reason for bosh and wade was hurt. why do you think hibbert only looks like a beast against miami? he averages 12-15 pts against other good teams with any good defensive big.

there you go. 2 simple and accurate answers.

[Eye Test]

bosh never does well against any good defensive big in playoffs. that is the reason for bosh and wade was hurt. why do you think hibbert only looks like a beast against miami? he averages 12-15 pts against other good teams with any good defensive big.

there you go. 2 simple and accurate answers.

trade that scrub dude, trade him!

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wade had two good games the whole series
Same with LeBron. Game 7, and Game 4 ... everything else was bad. His game 1 was decent from an all around numbers perspective, but comes across hollow when at no point did he assert his will on the game to take over and try to win it for Miami.

Wade won them a pivotal game 4 on the road, Ray Allen saved their season in game 6, and LeBron won them game 7 ... with very clutch supplemental boost from Wade. Neither of Wade's 2 good games were padded in garbage time when the game was already won like LeBron's game 4 box score.

No revisionist history here.

[rip2]

bosh never does well against any good defensive big in playoffs. that is the reason for bosh and wade was hurt. why do you think hibbert only looks like a beast against miami? he averages 12-15 pts against other good teams with any good defensive big.

there you go. 2 simple and accurate answers.
Bosh doesn't get stats because he is usually away from the basket defending the pick and roll and so on. Heat also do NOT run any plays for him.

Put him on another team now and he averages 20 and 10. His stats do not show his true level.. his stats are diminished simply because of the system and the stacked team.

The most understandable example I always show is: Do Jordan, Barkley, Bird, David Robinson all average the same stats they do in the NBA while playing on the dream team?

No they don't, same reason Bosh doesn't get his usual stats. Think it out if you don't understand why.

[TMT]

give me stats of those permances. but when you do, post their stats for whole playoffs like ray allen and battier's 3 pt fg% against indiana which made that series go to 7. they were missing wide open 3s. in reality if even 3 players on heat played to their average play, heat would have won more easily in playoffs.
also, Miami was stacked in playoffs in 2012. they weren't stacked in 2013. they just had great talent players that most of the time didn't play well.

You don't need stats if you've just watched the games these past few years. Battier hitting a record number of three pointers in a Game 7 in NBA Finals history, Mike Miller going 7-8 from downtown in the close out game of the 2012 Finals. Just two examples right there.

You're pulling from a small sample size just to diminish Lebron's team and it's fairly obvious. This team has been stacked every year, probably with the exception of 2011 where their bench was the weakest. But seriously this squad has had plenty more talent on their roster than anyone in the past 3 seasons. Give me a break.

[VIntageNOvel]

trade that scrub dude, trade him!


Bosh for Paul "real FMVP" Gasol

Win-win for both, heat get rid of liability big, and get HOFer
lakers can continue to tank with bosh :applause:

[Eye Test]

Bosh for Pau "real FMVP" Gasol

Win-win for both, heat get rid of liability big, and get HOFer
lakers can continue to tank with bosh :applause:


:roll: :roll: :applause:

[Rose'sACL]

You don't need stats if you've just watched the games these past few years. Battier hitting a record number of three pointers in a Game 7 in NBA Finals history, Mike Miller going 7-8 from downtown in the close out game of the 2012 Finals. Just two examples right there.

You're pulling from a small sample size just to diminish Lebron's team and it's fairly obvious. This team has been stacked every year, probably with the exception of 2011 where their bench was the weakest. But seriously this squad has had plenty more talent on their roster than anyone in the past 3 seasons. Give me a break.
wow. give me stats you idiots otherwise lebron is the most clutch player of all time because he played great in game 7. lebron had an okay finals from his standards but he played well in game 6 4th quarter and game 7. that doesn't make his finals performance really good by his normal standards.
how is it a small sample size when this thread is about playoffs? aren't playoffs the games where teams win championships?

[Combat Wombat]

16/5 for ALPHA wade, he was hurt, but still Lebron didnt get ''superstar'' help...
, but Bosh
12/7 while getting abused by Hibbert and Duncan :facepalm

Good question but I've got a better one though. Why didn't your mother test you for down syndrome prior to your birth? Then she could have saved this forum a lot of trouble and aborted your useless arse.

[TMT]

wow. give me stats you idiots otherwise lebron is the most clutch player of all time because he played great in game 7. lebron had an okay finals from his standards but he played well in game 6 4th quarter and game 7. that doesn't make his finals performance really good by his normal standards.
how is it a small sample size when this thread is about playoffs? aren't playoffs the games where teams win championships?

You are talking about small stretches in the Indiana series rather than the numerous times more than that where his teammates DID show up. Lebron did not have a great game 6 by any means and his shot selection especially near the end of the game was very questionable.

By you admitting Lebron didn't have the great series you are proving my point that his team played a HUGE part in the championship. You are beating your own argument to death here. :oldlol:

I've already pointed out that his role players have had record setting games the past couple years to help him get there. That's just icing on the cake to my standpoint.

[Trollsmasher]

Stacked team = role player shoots well

[oh the horror]

So they diminish his squad in Cleveland.


And now they diminish his squad in Miami.



Is this the story of Lebron according to his fans? He's a one man team carrying everyone he ever comes in contact with on a ball court according to them?


I'm surprised they don't diminish team USA at this point.

[Rose'sACL]

You are talking about small stretches in the Indiana series rather than the numerous times more than that where his teammates DID show up. Lebron did not have a great game 6 by any means and his shot selection especially near the end of the game was very questionable.

By you admitting Lebron didn't have the great series you are proving my point that his team played a HUGE part in the championship. You are beating your own argument to death here. :oldlol:

I've already pointed out that his role players have had record setting games the past couple years to help him get there. That's just icing on the cake to my standpoint.
no, i am making the point that he played way way better than anyone on both the teams in the finals and ECF.
He was the biggest reason behind heat winning it all. anyone who disputes it is just wrong. lebron's okay performance in the finals by his standards was still leagues better than anyone on his team or even the team he was facing.
Spurs had great role player all around.
the point of this thread even though a troll made it is to show that heat really didn't play like the most stacked team in the playoffs. lebron was the only one who played close to his normal best. everyone else was way below their normal play.

[TMT]

[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]Stacked team = role player shoots well

[Rose'sACL]

So they diminish his squad in Cleveland.


And now they diminish his squad in Miami.



Is this the story of Lebron according to his fans? He's a one man team carrying everyone he ever comes in contact with on a ball court according to them?


I'm surprised they don't diminish team USA at this point.
i don't think anyone intelligent says that heat didn't play well as a team for 2012 finals. they played as a great team and won in 5 games because of it. i think everyone intelligent knows that wade and bosh really didn't play well in last season's playoff.
they were still better than anything cleveland got him but no way are you saying that 2013 heat team in playoffs was the most stacked ever.

[TMT]

no, i am making the point that he played way way better than anyone on both the teams in the finals and ECF.
He was the biggest reason behind heat winning it all. anyone who disputes it is just wrong. lebron's okay performance in the finals by his standards was still leagues better than anyone on his team or even the team he was facing.
Spurs had great role player all around.
the point of this thread even though a troll made it is to show that heat really didn't play like the most stacked team in the playoffs. lebron was the only one who played close to his normal best. everyone else was way below their normal play.

If you replace his current role players with more mediocre talent, he doesn't win the championship these last couple years, as they've gotten pushed to the brink already by the 2011 Mavs (who beat them), 2012 Celtics, 2013 Pacers and Spurs. The discredit his teammates get from Heat stans is unbelievable, especially since Ray Allen (one of the BEST shooters in NBA HISTORY) is the only reason they weren't eliminated in 6.

[VIntageNOvel]

So they diminish his squad in Cleveland.


And now they diminish his squad in Miami.



Is this the story of Lebron according to his fans? He's a one man team carrying everyone he ever comes in contact with on a ball court according to them?


I'm surprised they don't diminish team USA at this point.

because kobe outshined him in 2008 and CP in 2012 :roll:
and it will be durant team in 2016 :roll:
internationally people only remember the bronzey from 2004

[oh the horror]

What some of you don't realize is, even if their stats aren't great, you CANNOT as the opposing team leave Bosh and Wade regardless of what they may have shown before.


Those two are capable of exploding for big games themselves and do demand attention from the defense. That's just simple logic.

[Rose'sACL]

If you replace his current role players with more mediocre talent, he doesn't win the championship these last couple years, as they've gotten pushed to the brink already by the 2011 Mavs (who beat them), 2012 Celtics, 2013 Pacers and Spurs. The discredit his teammates get from Heat stans is unbelievable, especially since Ray Allen (one of the BEST shooters in NBA HISTORY) is the only reason they weren't eliminated in 6.
replace parker with lebron on spurs.

[rip2]

What some of you don't realize is, even if their stats aren't great, you CANNOT as the opposing team leave Bosh and Wade regardless of what they may have shown before.


Those two are capable of exploding for big games themselves and do demand attention from the defense. That's just simple logic.
something Lebron stans continue to deny and refuse to admit..:facepalm

[oh the horror]

something Lebron stans continue to deny and refuse to admit..:facepalm



Not to mention there are several dangerous shooters on that team.


I mean what's not to get? If you're the opposing defense you'll leave Bosh and Wade alone because they're having a bad game? That would be foolish.

[Rose'sACL]

What some of you don't realize is, even if their stats aren't great, you CANNOT as the opposing team leave Bosh and Wade regardless of what they may have shown before.


Those two are capable of exploding for big games themselves and do demand attention from the defense. That's just simple logic.
doesn't that work both ways though. you expect a player to go off every game and you have to keep giving him chance till 4th quarter. just go and watch most of the games and both wade and lebron tried to feed bosh early in a lot of games but they just can't keep doing it when he misses them too much. he was never in the class of wade and lebron and it is very understandable to not trust him during important games. Bosh really is worse than both lebron ad wade in the post. he loses the ball too much and can't post up players of his size.
Wade was hurt. that is a very simple reason for his bad play.

[Magic 32]

Lebron can't win if his teammates play like superstars.

Just look at the 2011 finals.

[Flash31]

16/5 for ALPHA wade, he was hurt, but still Lebron didnt get ''superstar'' help...
, but Bosh
12/7 while getting abused by Hibbert and Duncan :facepalm


I'm a Heat fan so with that said

FCK Heat Haters,buuut especially Fck LeBron stans like the op here.


You know I like how biased you are towards LeBron and trash his teammates
shows how much of a stan you are but speaking of stats here's a few and then you can see who's like u said "ALPHA"


2011 playoffs
24.5 PPG,7.1 RB,4.4 AST,1.6 stls,1.3 blcks .485% WADE
23.7 PPG,8.4 RB,5.9 AST,1.7 stls,1.2 blcks .466% lEbRON

2011 FINALS
26.5 PPG,7 RBS,5.2 AST,1.5 stls,1.5 blcks .546 2.5 t/o WADE 39 mpg
17.8 PPG,7.2 RBS,6.8 AST,1.7 stls,0.5 blcks .478 3.3 t/o LeBron 43.6 mpg


now LeBron wasn't injured like Wade was in 2012 and 2013 like Wade was
LJ "ALPHA"huh,but let's compare those then



2012 PLAYOFFS
22.8 PPG,5.3 RB,4.3 AST,1.7 stls,1.3 blcks .462 WADE
30.3 PPG,9.7RB,5.6 AST,1.9 stls,0.7 blcks .500 LeBron

2012 FINALS
22.6 PPG,6 RB,5.2 AST,1.4 stls,1.2 blcks .435 2.8 t/o WADE 40.6 mpg
28.6 PPG,10.2 RB,7.4 AST,1.6 stls,0.4 blcks .472 3.8 t/o LEBRON 44.1mpg



2013 PLAYOFFS
15.9 PPG,4.6 RB,4.8 AST,1.7 stls,1 blck .457 WADE
25.9 PPG,8.4 RB,6.6 AST,1.8stls,0.8 blck .491 LEBRON

2013 FINALS
19.6 PPG,4 RB,4.6 AST,1.9 stls,1.3 blcks .476 2.28t/o WADE 36.4 mpg
25.3 PPG,10.9 RB,7 AST,2.3 stls,0.9 blcks .447 2.57 t/o LeBRON 43 mpg




NOW LETS SEE WORSE PLAYOFF TOTAL
WADE 2013 Playoffs
BEST-LEBRON 2012 Playoffs
WORST FINALS LeBron 2011 Finals
BEST FINALS WADE 2011



So if you look at the stats it's very clear that Wade played good to great where it counted the FINALS WHILE LEBRON the "ALPHA" choked so
case closed,

WADE Showed up in EVERY FINALS,

LEBRON DID NOT,And that's what matters


end thread

[Flash31]

LJ getting abused by Jason Terry and Shawn Marion smh:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


WADE injured puts up 20,5,4 WITH 2 stls,and 1 blck on 48% and 2.3 t/0
in 36.4 mpg



LeBron JAMES HEALTHY puts up 18,7,7 WITH 2stls,0.5 blck on 48% and
4 t/0 in 43.6 mpg

IN THE FINALS


where was dwyane wade's and Chris Bosh's
"SUPERSTAR,ALPHA"Mr MVP,TOP 5 GOAT"" Player

getting locked up by Terry and Marion


ALPHA HUH

LeBron stans just stfu.You can not talk anything about Wade or Bosh especially in Finals nconsidering

LJ played like crap and single handidly LOSt THE SERIES,LOST THE FINALS


AND he was healthy!!!!!!!!AND GUARDED By Marion,Terry








END THREAD

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I'm a Heat fan so with that said

FCK Heat Haters,buuut especially Fck LeBron stans like the op here.


You know I like how biased you are towards LeBron and trash his teammates
shows how much of a stan you are but speaking of stats here's a few and then you can see who's like u said "ALPHA"


2011 playoffs
24.5 PPG,7.1 RB,4.4 AST,1.6 stls,1.3 blcks .485% WADE
23.7 PPG,8.4 RB,5.9 AST,1.7 stls,1.2 blcks .466% lEbRON

2011 FINALS
26.5 PPG,7 RBS,5.2 AST,1.5 stls,1.5 blcks .546 2.5 t/o WADE 39 mpg
17.8 PPG,7.2 RBS,6.8 AST,1.7 stls,0.5 blcks .478 3.3 t/o LeBron 43.6 mpg


now LeBron wasn't injured like Wade was in 2012 and 2013 like Wade was
LJ "ALPHA"huh,but let's compare those then



2012 PLAYOFFS
22.8 PPG,5.3 RB,4.3 AST,1.7 stls,1.3 blcks .462 WADE
30.3 PPG,9.7RB,5.6 AST,1.9 stls,0.7 blcks .500 LeBron

2012 FINALS
22.6 PPG,6 RB,5.2 AST,1.4 stls,1.2 blcks .435 2.8 t/o WADE 40.6 mpg
28.6 PPG,10.2 RB,7.4 AST,1.6 stls,0.4 blcks .472 3.8 t/o LEBRON 44.1mpg



2013 PLAYOFFS
15.9 PPG,4.6 RB,4.8 AST,1.7 stls,1 blck .457 WADE
25.9 PPG,8.4 RB,6.6 AST,1.8stls,0.8 blck .491 LEBRON

2013 FINALS
19.6 PPG,4 RB,4.6 AST,1.9 stls,1.3 blcks .476 2.28t/o WADE 36.4 mpg
25.3 PPG,10.9 RB,7 AST,2.3 stls,0.9 blcks .447 2.57 t/o LeBRON 43 mpg




NOW LETS SEE WORSE PLAYOFF TOTAL
WADE 2013 Playoffs
BEST-LEBRON 2012 Playoffs
WORST FINALS LeBron 2011 Finals
BEST FINALS WADE 2011



So if you look at the stats it's very clear that Wade played good to great where it counted the FINALS WHILE LEBRON the "ALPHA" choked so
case closed,

WADE Showed up in EVERY FINALS,

LEBRON DID NOT,And that's what matters


end thread
what a shameless Wade homer lmao
Lebron choked a little in 2011 but it was mainly because the MAvericks forced him to play PG with their entire team defense. Wade had so much freedom that series:facepalm
still a GREAT series from Wade and definetely better than Lebrons.
Still they had about the same playoff stats and the next two years LeBron CARRIES Wades bum ass especially in 2013:facepalm
and lets not act as if Wade didnt make some horrendous plays in close games in 2012 as well like his huge choke that nearly cost the Heat game 2 in OKC and would most likely have cost the finals:coleman:

[kurple]

because they play with lebron? :coleman:

[Nash]

Bosh and Wade play to their level = Miami stacked and shit on everybody

They don't, which has been the case the last 2 championships = Miami end up get taken to 7 and 6 games by Spurs and Indiana.

Also Wade has had MAJOR knee issues last 2 playoffs.

[plowking]

Same with LeBron. Game 7, and Game 4 ... everything else was bad. His game 1 was decent from an all around numbers perspective, but comes across hollow when at no point did he assert his will on the game to take over and try to win it for Miami.

Wade won them a pivotal game 4 on the road, Ray Allen saved their season in game 6, and LeBron won them game 7 ... with very clutch supplemental boost from Wade. Neither of Wade's 2 good games were padded in garbage time when the game was already won like LeBron's game 4 box score.

No revisionist history here.

LOL...

Game 6 was bad? Yeah... sure. A 32 point triple double, and single-handedly bringing his team back in the game.
Get over game 4. He had 27 points before his last 6 stat padded points. He was on the court, whats he going to do, miss on purpose? It wasn't stat padding to begin with.

Game 1 was a good game, and would have been remembered fondly if the bounce had gone Miami's way. Game 4 was great, and game 6 and 7 were legendary considering the circumstances and performance.

[Magic 32]

Game 6 was bad? Yeah... sure. A 32 point triple double, and single-handedly bringing his team back in the game.

A no-show in the first 3 qtr, and then a no-show at the end of the game (and most of the OT). How he accumulated that triple double is beyond comprehension.





Get over game 4. He had 27 points before his last 6 stat padded points. He was on the court, whats he going to do, miss on purpose? It wasn't stat padding to begin with.



He had 24. He statpadded 9 points.

[rip2]

Why did Lebron s ''superstar'' teammates average 16/5/46% and 12/7/46% in playoffs?

Because they are playing with Lebron, who makes his teammates worse. That's the most accurate and concise answer I can give you.

[Frozen1]

GIVE ME THE STATS OF THE FINALS AND THE PACERS SERIES

Because those were the only ones that mattered, milwalkee were shit and so the bulls.

Bosh and Wade stats don

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LOL...

Game 6 was bad? Yeah... sure. A 32 point triple double, and single-handedly bringing his team back in the game.
Get over game 4. He had 27 points before his last 6 stat padded points. He was on the court, whats he going to do, miss on purpose? It wasn't stat padding to begin with.

Game 1 was a good game, and would have been remembered fondly if the bounce had gone Miami's way. Game 4 was great, and game 6 and 7 were legendary considering the circumstances and performance.
dont even try to argue with these stupid kobetards and jardaneers. they are mad salty LeBron will go down as the GOAT:coleman: :facepalm

[rip2]

dont even try to argue with these stupid kobetards and jardaneers. they are mad salty LeBron will go down as the GOAT:coleman: :facepalm
GOAT Statpadder that's for sure

[JamiesChrist]

Bosh isnt a superstar. Hes a really gold plyer but fced some very tough mathups against Hibbert and Duncan a n d he was shook. Wade was clearly injured. He toughed it out and put together some good performances here and there but he clearly wasnt himself

[navy]

Idiots complaining about Lebron dominating the ball. Lebron didnt play any different or worse then he has been playing for the past 3 years. Wade and Bosh just didnt perform for various reasons. That doesnt mean they never showed up in pivotal key moments, but anyone who isnt a dumbass can see Lebron was carrying that team when Wade and Bosh didnt show up.

Bosh is not a never will be SuperStar. Wade hasnt been a superstar since 2011. He's been a good star even great star since then, until the 2013 playoffs where he had star stretches but was mostly terrible.

[Byobob]

Not to mention there are several dangerous shooters on that team.


I mean what's not to get? If you're the opposing defense you'll leave Bosh and Wade alone because they're having a bad game? That would be foolish.


I could be wrong but didn't Mark Cuban said that their game plan is to let everybody else except Lebron to beat them? IIRC, they're the only ones who managed to take down the Heat in a 7 game series. That's 1 in 12 tries. In a 3 year span.

[GoranDragon]

Wade is a superstar on decline since 2009, it's no surprise he's deferring the load to Lebron. As for Bosh, he's just plain inconsistent.

[navy]

I could be wrong but didn't Mark Cuban said that their game plan is to let everybody else except Lebron to beat them? IIRC, they're the only ones who managed to take down the Heat in a 7 game series. That's 1 in 12 tries. In a 3 year span.

MArk Cuban was full of himself, trying to take credit. Everyone knows that will be remembered as the year the Heat lost rather than the year the Mavericks won.

Lebron just didnt show up.

[navy]

Wade is a superstar on decline since 2009, it's no surprise he's deferring the load to Lebron. As for Bosh, he's just plain inconsistent.

He didnt decline until the 2011-2012 season. The Mavs finals was his last peak year. Shame Lebron choked it away.

[GoranDragon]

He didnt decline until the 2011-2012 season. The Mavs finals was his last peak year. Shame Lebron choked it away.

The zone defense of Dallas neutralized Bron. I think he was way over confident that resulted in his "choke".

[Flash31]

what a shameless Wade homer lmao
Lebron choked a little in 2011 but it was mainly because the MAvericks forced him to play PG with their entire team defense. Wade had so much freedom that series:facepalm
still a GREAT series from Wade and definetely better than Lebrons.
Still they had about the same playoff stats and the next two years LeBron CARRIES Wades bum ass especially in 2013:facepalm
and lets not act as if Wade didnt make some horrendous plays in close games in 2012 as well like his huge choke that nearly cost the Heat game 2 in OKC and would most likely have cost the finals:coleman:


not really a Wade homer,maybe a little lol

but come on man,choked a "little" a little

before the 2011 Finals series

LeBron stats Regular Season----26.7,7.5,7 3.6 t/o 51%
LeBron 2011 FINALS-------------17.8,7.2,6.8 4 t/o 47.8%

8.9 ppg DROP,0.3 rb DROP,0.5 ast DROP 3.3%fg DROP
0.4 t/o increase



conversely you bring up Bosh funny you say that

BOSH 2011 FINALS

18.5 ppg,7.3 rbs,1 ast,0.2 stls,0.5 blcks 41% 39.4 mpg 2.16 t/o
17.8 ppg,7.2 rbs,6.8 ast,1.7 stls,0.5 blck 47.8% 43.6 mpg 4 t/o

Bosh as 2nd,3rd option
LeBron as 1b,2nd option


seems to me Bosh put up his and so did Wade
yet LeBron decided to play like a 6th man and CHOKED HARD


AND YOU UP HERE MENTION BUM When LJ LOST The 2011 Finals for the Heat
and 2013 FINALS,Wade had two 20 pt 10 ast double doubles
had an amazing 32 pt,6 rbs,4 ast with 6 STEALS,1 BLOCK 0 T/O

HERE BUM YOU SAY

2013 Finals

game 1-LeBron outplays Wade
game 2 -LeBron
game 3--Wade
game 4--Wade
game 5--Wade
game 6--LeBron
game 7--LeBron

I haven't seen a bum get two 20,10 games
get a 30+ with 6 rbs,,4 ast and 6 stls


LJ 43 mpg 2.6 t/o 21.4 fga 25.3 ppg,10.9 rbs,7 ast,2.3 stls,0.9 blcks 44.7%
DW 36.4mpg 2.3 t/o 18fga 19.6 ppg,4 rbs,4.6 ast,1.9 stls,1.3 blcks 47.6%


LJ---- 6.6+ MPG,3.4 fga+,5.9 ppg+,6.9 rbs+,2.4 ast+,0.4 stls+
DW---- 0.3- T/O,0.4blcks+, 2.9 fg%+

Took almost 3.5 fga to get 6 more pts,shot 3% worse,less blocks


16 STEALS to 13 Wade
6 blocks to 9 WADE
18 T/O to 16 wade
LJ 46 more min played
49 AST TO 32
76 RB TO 28
150 FGA TO 126


know YOUR FACTS

And if you're seriously bring up 2012 playoffs,
IND SERIES,OKC Wade played good to great

BUM

Such a LeBron stan

if it wasn't for Bosh being in the game at the end of game 6 causing Pop to take out Duncan,
which led to Bosh getting those two crucial rebounds,tipping the ball to R Allen,BLOCKING DANNY GREEN'S Shot at Buzzer

SA WINS the Series

A Bums stats and ACTUALLY Costing the series is LEBRON 2011 Finals,
Wade and Bosh were injured in 2012 and 2013 Playoffs,yet they still managed to contribute and in Wade's case WIN GAMES AND Take Over
and without Bosh Wade along with LeBron had to go off and contribute HUGE just to get by IND and BOS in 2012
so you saying Bosh isn't nothing,just his presence,his mobility,range,versatility alone changes how teams can play Miami and how tough is it as we saw BOS without Bosh and with Bosh


Wade and Bosh were injured

WTF WAS LJ excuse or reason,he couldn't handle the defensive intensity of an old Marion and Terry
and he was the 1b option WTF??

WADE INJURED Put up better stats than LJ healthy did
WADE as 2nd option in 2013 to LJ as 2nd option 2011

yeah


END THREAD

[GoranDragon]

Sorry Wade fans but the only reason Wade is still an All Star is due to the rub his getting from play with Lebron, he's catching some of the King's shine so to speak. He's been on a steep decline since his MVP-worthy 2009 season.

That's the hard truth.

[M47]

I feel like Wade was one of the reasons why Miami won game 7.
He made the defense spread out when the team gave him the ball on the left side of the court and ran an iso. He was draining those jump shots too.

[livinglegend]

You don't need stats if you've just watched the games these past few years. Battier hitting a record number of three pointers in a Game 7 in NBA Finals history, Mike Miller going 7-8 from downtown in the close out game of the 2012 Finals. Just two examples right there.

You're pulling from a small sample size just to diminish Lebron's team and it's fairly obvious. This team has been stacked every year, probably with the exception of 2011 where their bench was the weakest. But seriously this squad has had plenty more talent on their roster than anyone in the past 3 seasons. Give me a break.

Shane Battier: 4.7 ppg on 30% 3pt FG
Ray Allen: 10.2 PPG on 40% FG

There s nothing incredible in those stats. If that made 2013 Heat playoffs team stacked, then every team that won a championship in the history of the game was stacked.

[GoranDragon]

I feel like Wade was one of the reasons why Miami won game 7.
He made the defense spread out when the team gave him the ball on the left side of the court and ran an iso. He was draining those jump shots too.
See if he does that this post-season. I doubt it. Wade will be the downfall of the Heat.

[DMAVS41]

MArk Cuban was full of himself, trying to take credit. Everyone knows that will be remembered as the year the Heat lost rather than the year the Mavericks won.

Lebron just didnt show up.

Both are true.

Are you willing to say Lebron didn't show up in 13 before the 4th qtr of game 6 as well?

Because Lebron was struggling yet again in the finals against the Spurs...who were making Lebron a shooter.

He got hot and the rest is history.

It's just both. Give the Mavs credit...and hold Lebron accountable for coming up small.

[livinglegend]

I'm a Heat fan so with that said

FCK Heat Haters,buuut especially Fck LeBron stans like the op here.


You know I like how biased you are towards LeBron and trash his teammates
shows how much of a stan you are but speaking of stats here's a few and then you can see who's like u said "ALPHA"


2011 playoffs
24.5 PPG,7.1 RB,4.4 AST,1.6 stls,1.3 blcks .485% WADE
23.7 PPG,8.4 RB,5.9 AST,1.7 stls,1.2 blcks .466% lEbRON

2011 FINALS
26.5 PPG,7 RBS,5.2 AST,1.5 stls,1.5 blcks .546 2.5 t/o WADE 39 mpg
17.8 PPG,7.2 RBS,6.8 AST,1.7 stls,0.5 blcks .478 3.3 t/o LeBron 43.6 mpg


now LeBron wasn't injured like Wade was in 2012 and 2013 like Wade was
LJ "ALPHA"huh,but let's compare those then



2012 PLAYOFFS
22.8 PPG,5.3 RB,4.3 AST,1.7 stls,1.3 blcks .462 WADE
30.3 PPG,9.7RB,5.6 AST,1.9 stls,0.7 blcks .500 LeBron

2012 FINALS
22.6 PPG,6 RB,5.2 AST,1.4 stls,1.2 blcks .435 2.8 t/o WADE 40.6 mpg
28.6 PPG,10.2 RB,7.4 AST,1.6 stls,0.4 blcks .472 3.8 t/o LEBRON 44.1mpg



2013 PLAYOFFS
15.9 PPG,4.6 RB,4.8 AST,1.7 stls,1 blck .457 WADE
25.9 PPG,8.4 RB,6.6 AST,1.8stls,0.8 blck .491 LEBRON

2013 FINALS
19.6 PPG,4 RB,4.6 AST,1.9 stls,1.3 blcks .476 2.28t/o WADE 36.4 mpg
25.3 PPG,10.9 RB,7 AST,2.3 stls,0.9 blcks .447 2.57 t/o LeBRON 43 mpg




NOW LETS SEE WORSE PLAYOFF TOTAL
WADE 2013 Playoffs
BEST-LEBRON 2012 Playoffs
WORST FINALS LeBron 2011 Finals
BEST FINALS WADE 2011



So if you look at the stats it's very clear that Wade played good to great where it counted the FINALS WHILE LEBRON the "ALPHA" choked so
case closed,

WADE Showed up in EVERY FINALS,

LEBRON DID NOT,And that's what matters


end thread

:lol
Next time, before getting excited, take your medicines and read the first post of the thread carefully. You re off topic. This thread is only about 2013 playoffs. ''END THREAD'' LOL.

[navy]

Sorry Wade fans but the only reason Wade is still an All Star is due to the rub his getting from play with Lebron, he's catching some of the King's shine so to speak. He's been on a steep decline since his MVP-worthy 2009 season.

That's the hard truth.

No, this is bullshit. Wade didnt decline until after the 2011 finals. He was still a SuperStar until the 2011-2012 season. His decline wasnt even that big just a 2-4 point drop.

Wade's numbers are worse because of Lebron. If Wade didnt play with Lebron his efficiency would go down but that's it. His scoring and assist would go up because he would have the ball more and take more shots.

[GoranDragon]

No, this is bullshit. Wade didnt decline until after the 2011 finals. He was still a SuperStar until the 2011-2012 season. His decline wasnt even that big just a 2-4 point drop.

Wade's numbers are worse because of Lebron. If Wade didnt play with Lebron his efficiency would go down but that's it. His scoring and assist would go up because he would have the ball more and take more shots.
Wade's numbers are worse because of injury and age and most important, no long being ref's golden boy. Lebron makes his teammates better, so blaming Wade's decline on Lebron is unreasonable.

[Flash31]

dont even try to argue with these stupid kobetards and jardaneers. they are mad salty LeBron will go down as the GOAT:coleman: :facepalm


i'M GONNA PUT IT LIKE THIS

LJ is one of the greatest players and is the best basketball player today
buuut he will never be GOAT due to 2011


It wasn't that he lost,It was how he played and how he cost the Heat the Championship

If you look at the consensus goat players

Kareem,Russell,Jordan,Wilt,Magic

nobody out of those failed and utterly cost the team like he did,
sure some played below standards but not 6th man role player status especially when their defenders aren't even hof material like a Marion,Terry

Wilt had to go up against Russell and his 6 other HOF,Juggernaut Celtics and his team lost game 7s with him outperforming everybody on his team

Russell is 11/13
MJ 6/6
Magic lost several finals but at same time it was against Bird and his Celtics who dominated as well unlike Dallas hot one-hit playoff run and Dirk,Chandler and veterans,role players one hit wonder



To put in perspective how bad LJ played,
Wade's worst finals are still better than LJ first 2 Finals
and every single goat of those 5
ALL OF THEIR FINALS are Better than LJ worst and almost all of their finals runs are better than LJ except for one,maybe 2 of his finals


RS Recs don't mean jack if you fail at Big stage as seen with
Stockton,Malone,Ewing,Barkley,Dirk before 2011

LJ had a Kobe Bryant 2004 Finals run which will put a damper on both of them from being an arguable GOAT,



When LJ career is all said and done,
he might make the list but he won't be in the Russelll,Jordan,Kareem,Wilt
class
he'll be in the Larry,Magic,Shaq,Kobe,Duncan class of goat
and just like them he could have a case for goat but it won't be as universal,inarguable,consensus as the first 4

[navy]

Wade's numbers are worse because of injury and age and most important, no long being ref's golden boy. Lebron makes his teammates better, so blaming Wade's decline on Lebron is unreasonable.

If Wade was still the number one option he would would average 23-25 points and about 6-7 assist on Lower efficiency. Lebron makes his teammates efficiency better not their points and assist total.

[russwest0]

I dunno, I thought he was supposed to make them better? :confusedshrug:

[GoranDragon]

I dunno, I thought he was supposed to make them better? :confusedshrug:
He did.:cheers:

[Flash31]

:lol
Next time, before getting excited, take your medicines and read the first post of the thread carefully. You re off topic. This thread is only about 2013 playoffs. ''END THREAD'' LOL.


so to you
FINALS Stats don't matter as much as playoff STATS
I see(hmm why would that be? from a LeBron fan huh)

Not off-topic at all bc this is relevant to the discussion

Wade and Bosh were injured in 2013 playoffs,
yet Wade still played good in the Finals

And a condescending,belittling question like LeBron stans tend to do
about his teammates like the ops question it's all relevant


2013 Finals stats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2013 playoffs stats

It's about what you do IN Finals that matter in which case
cherry picking stats from whole playoffs instead of using finals is
something else entirely

And considering anyone who watched the 2013 playoff would tell you Wade,Bosh were playing injured but using playoff stats over finals stats
really??

That's like using LJ 2011 playoff
stats and he was good

but DW and CB 2013
and they were bad

rather than
2011 finals and 2013 finals

makes a huge difference and it's where it counts

[Bandito]

Wade Finals 2013 per game stats

19.4 pts 4.6 assists 4.0 rbs with almost 2 steals and 1 block in 36 mpg

Wade's fg% was higher than Lebron by 3%


Bosh

11.9 pts with 8.9 rbs 2 assists, almost 2 assists and 1.6 block per game in 34 minutes per game.

Bosh's %FG was higher than Lebron also even though most of Bosh's shot are from the mid range to 3 point shot.


You also have to consider that Lebron had the ball 90% of the time more than the above mention. But of course he didn't have enough help....

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2013_finals.html

After checking the stats Ray had a .715 %TS? He is an outside shooter mostly. Respect Ray Ray :applause:

I didn't even realized he had %fg and %3pshot above .500!!!! That's why he is the best shooter in the league bar none...

[livinglegend]

so to you
FINALS Stats don't matter as much as playoff STATS
I see(hmm why would that be? from a LeBron fan huh)

Not off-topic at all bc this is relevant to the discussion

Wade and Bosh were injured in 2013 playoffs,
yet Wade still played good in the Finals

And a condescending,belittling question like LeBron stans tend to do
about his teammates like the ops question it's all relevant


2013 Finals stats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2013 playoffs stats

It's about what you do IN Finals that matter in which case
cherry picking stats from whole playoffs instead of using finals is
something else entirely

And considering anyone who watched the 2013 playoff would tell you Wade,Bosh were playing injured but using playoff stats over finals stats
really??

That's like using LJ 2011 playoff
stats and he was good

but DW and CB 2013
and they were bad

rather than
2011 finals and 2013 finals

makes a huge difference and it's where it counts
:biggums:
Where did I say that (bolded part)?

and what the **** are you talking about?
Why are the finals more important than ECF? If Heat doesnt play well during ECF, they dont even make the finals.

[Bandito]

And considering anyone who watched the 2013 playoff would tell you Wade,Bosh were playing injured...
Respect to a Heat stan :applause:

[livinglegend]

Wade Finals 2013 per game stats

19.4 pts 4.6 assists 4.0 rbs with almost 2 steals and 1 block in 36 mpg

Wade's fg% was higher than Lebron by 3%


Bosh

11.9 pts with 8.9 rbs 2 assists, almost 2 assists and 1.6 block per game in 34 minutes per game.

Bosh's %FG was higher than Lebron also even though most of Bosh's shot are from the mid range to 3 point shot.


You also have to consider that Lebron had the ball 90% of the time more than the above mention.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2013_finals.html

After checking the stats Ray had a .715 %TS? He is an outside shooter mostly. Respect Ray Ray :applause:

I didn't even realized he had %fg and %3pshot above .500!!!! That's why he is the best shooter in the league bar none...

First of all, the thread is about the whole 2013 playoffs and not only finals.
Second, am i supposed to be impressed by 12/9 stats from Bosh?:oldlol:
Wade played well during the finals. Still, his stats were not that impressive. Most 2nd options in championship teams put better numbers than that.

[Bandito]

First of all, the thread is about the whole 2013 playoffs and not only finals.
Second, am i supposed to be impressed by 12/9 stats from Bosh?:oldlol:
Wade played well during the finals. Still, his stats were not that impressive. Most 2nd options in championship teams put better numbers than that.
As a third option what more do you expect from him? Do you want all your three all stars to average 20+ pts? You also have to consider this team is stacked so you don't need all your players to average 20+ pts. THis team is perimeter oriented which is not Bosh's strength....he has become better since joining this team, so props to him for that practicing...he doesn't even get that many touches anyways. If it was Gasol he would probably already be whining about touches...

Also 12/9 is a good stat. He was battling Duncan and Spllitter for rebounds by himself mostly and got 9? I mean wtf...

[pegasus]

They are loaded, so only the guy with the ball in his hands 90% of the time will get the steady numbers. Every game, every series they had different players play amazing while the others took a back seat. It's not like Wade and Bosh kept shooting and missing and/or played bad D. There are only so many shots a team can take.

Anderson went crazy in one series (Bulls or Pacers?) where he barely missed a shot like 3 games in a row. Haslem did the same in another very important game (Pacers?). Chalmers, who averaged 10.6 ppg in the finals, scored combined 34 points in game 6 and 7, shooting 50%. Battier, who averaged only 5.6 in the finals, made 9 out of 12 threes in the last two games and scored 27 extremely timely points. Cole and Miller also had great moments throughout the playoffs where they sparked their team. I don't even need to talk about Ray Allen.

Wade is a superstar and plays like it when his team needs him to but doesn't average superstar numbers because of their stacked team. Bosh is the same, and he always plays better without Lebron.

[Flash31]

:biggums:
Where did I say that (bolded part)?

and what the **** are you talking about?
Why are the finals more important than ECF? If Heat doesnt play well during ECF, they dont even make the finals.


If you have to ask or are seriously questioning why
the FINALS are more IMPORTANT than the Eastern or Western Conference
Finals,then please stop talking about basketball because you dksabb period.


That is by far the most idiotic question I've ever seen from a basketball standpoint.


The FINALS Will ALWAYS,ALWAYS,ALWAYS be more important,bigger,more worth,have more standing than the rest of the playoffs COMBINED.

Though you were right about one thing.
If the HEAT,keyword HEAT meaning team not one,two players
not LeBron,Wade,Bosh but the HEAT played well then they would have made it.


Though then again a team is a sum of its parts where the best player compromises the biggest sum in which case if that one sum doesn't deliver then the team doesn't win as we saw in 1999,2004,2007,2011.






"WHY are the FINALS MORE IMPORTANT than the ECF?"

":facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :banghead: :banghead:

[KendrickPerkins]

Dat thread backfiyah.

[KirbyPls]

:applause:
LOL...

Game 6 was bad? Yeah... sure. A 32 point triple double, and single-handedly bringing his team back in the game.
Get over game 4. He had 27 points before his last 6 stat padded points. He was on the court, whats he going to do, miss on purpose? It wasn't stat padding to begin with.

Game 1 was a good game, and would have been remembered fondly if the bounce had gone Miami's way. Game 4 was great, and game 6 and 7 were legendary considering the circumstances and performance.

[livinglegend]

They are loaded, so only the guy with the ball in his hands 90% of the time will get the steady numbers. Every game, every series they had different players play amazing while the others took a back seat. It's not like Wade and Bosh kept shooting and missing and/or played bad D. There are only so many shots a team can take.

Anderson went crazy in one series (Bulls or Pacers?) where he barely missed a shot like 3 games in a row. Haslem did the same in another very important game (Pacers?). Chalmers, who averaged 10.6 ppg in the finals, scored combined 34 points in game 6 and 7, shooting 50%. Battier, who averaged only 5.6 in the finals, made 9 out of 12 threes in the last two games and scored 27 extremely timely points. Cole and Miller also had great moments throughout the playoffs where they sparked their team. I don't even need to talk about Ray Allen.

Wade is a superstar and plays like it when his team needs him to but doesn't average superstar numbers because of their stacked team. Bosh is the same, and he always plays better without Lebron.

prove. I say he has the ball less than 50% in his hands.

[Solefade]

They are loaded, so only the guy with the ball in his hands 90% of the time will get the steady numbers. Every game, every series they had different players play amazing while the others took a back seat. It's not like Wade and Bosh kept shooting and missing and/or played bad D. There are only so many shots a team can take.

Anderson went crazy in one series (Bulls or Pacers?) where he barely missed a shot like 3 games in a row. Haslem did the same in another very important game (Pacers?). Chalmers, who averaged 10.6 ppg in the finals, scored combined 34 points in game 6 and 7, shooting 50%. Battier, who averaged only 5.6 in the finals, made 9 out of 12 threes in the last two games and scored 27 extremely timely points. Cole and Miller also had great moments throughout the playoffs where they sparked their team. I don't even need to talk about Ray Allen.

Wade is a superstar and plays like it when his team needs him to but doesn't average superstar numbers because of their stacked team. Bosh is the same, and he always plays better without Lebron.


you make it sound like the heat are just as good without lebron when obviously that isn't the case. he doesn't even have the ball 90% of the time, the offense runs through him a lot but the ball never sticks. try watching a few heat games.

[livinglegend]

If you have to ask or are seriously questioning why
the FINALS are more IMPORTANT than the Eastern or Western Conference
Finals,then please stop talking about basketball because you dksabb period.


That is by far the most idiotic question I've ever seen from a basketball standpoint.


The FINALS Will ALWAYS,ALWAYS,ALWAYS be more important,bigger,more worth,have more standing than the rest of the playoffs COMBINED.

Though you were right about one thing.
If the HEAT,keyword HEAT meaning team not one,two players
not LeBron,Wade,Bosh but the HEAT played well then they would have made it.


Though then again a team is a sum of its parts where the best player compromises the biggest sum in which case if that one sum doesn't deliver then the team doesn't win as we saw in 1999,2004,2007,2011.






"WHY are the FINALS MORE IMPORTANT than the ECF?"

":facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :banghead: :banghead:

Again, you are good at writing for nothing. You just wrote that text and didnt even answer the question. So, why were the finals stats more important than ECF for Heat in 2013?

[livinglegend]

As a third option what more do you expect from him? Do you want all your three all stars to average 20+ pts? You also have to consider this team is stacked so you don't need all your players to average 20+ pts. THis team is perimeter oriented which is not Bosh's strength....he has become better since joining this team, so props to him for that practicing...he doesn't even get that many touches anyways. If it was Gasol he would probably already be whining about touches...

Also 12/9 is a good stat. He was battling Duncan and Spllitter for rebounds by himself mostly and got 9? I mean wtf...

:facepalm
12/9 for an all-star? + gettting abused by Hibbert and Duncan.
16/5 for a ''superstar''?

Since his Heat team is so stacked, shouldnt it 2nd and 3rd options be more impressive than the 2nd and 3rd options of the other championship teams?

[rip2]

:facepalm
12/9 for an all-star? + gettting abused by Hibbert and Duncan.
16/5 for a ''superstar''?

Since his Heat team is so stacked, shouldnt it 2nd and 3rd options be more impressive than the 2nd and 3rd options of the other championship teams?
Same example I come back to. MJ, Bird, and Magic will not average their NBA stats while playing together in the dream team.

That doesn't mean they aren't playing at their level. Stats naturally go down when your team is stacked, stupid dumbass.

[ArbitraryWater]

Let me explain this ripthekik style..

It DOESN'T MATTER what they averaged, what matters is, what they COULD DO. What they had the ABILITY to do. We saw what Wade COULD 2 years ago in game 6 against the Pacers!

The only reason Wade&Bosh didn't play to all star level, is because bron's ballhogging HINDERED their ABILITIES.

Get it now?

[Young X]

You don't need great play from your teammates when you're in the east facing injured/sub 50 win teams every round. What were the 2nd and 3rd options on Milwaukee and Chicago averaging? :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

Same example I come back to. MJ, Bird, and Magic will not average their NBA stats while playing together in the dream team.

That doesn't mean they aren't playing at their level. Stats naturally go down when your team is stacked, stupid dumbass.
:facepalm
MJ, Bird, Magic would still be efficient and wouldnt get outplayed by the players of the opposing team. Their stats would be down, but they wouldnt go from 27-28ppg to 16 or from 25 ppg to 12.

[livinglegend]

You don't need great play from your teammates when you're in the east facing injured/sub 50 win teams every round. What were the 2nd and 3rd options on Milwaukee and Chicago averaging? :oldlol:

You dont need? They went 7 games against Pacers. WTF?
What about Bosh against Spurs. I guess he didnt need to play great.

[livinglegend]

Let me explain this ripthekik style..

It DOESN'T MATTER what they averaged, what matters is, what they COULD DO. What they had the ABILITY to do. We saw what Wade COULD 2 years ago in game 6 against the Pacers!

The only reason Wade&Bosh didn't play to all star level, is because bron's ballhogging HINDERED their ABILITIES.

Get it now?

WTF?
Are you serious?
Are we going to start judging players from their ''abilities'' now? :oldlol:

[Bandito]

:facepalm
12/9 for an all-star? + gettting abused by Hibbert and Duncan.
16/5 for a ''superstar''?

Since his Heat team is so stacked, shouldnt it 2nd and 3rd options be more impressive than the 2nd and 3rd options of the other championship teams?
Wade was playing injured. I know you don't play sports but doing physical activities when injured is really hard. If you are 7 ft it's even worse. But anyways, something you don't even understand about basketball, there is only one ball and too many players demanding it. They gave it to Lebron who has it most of the time anyways. How do you expect Bosh to do score if he doesn't have the ball except to shot from afar, that is not even his main strength...:facepalm

Even Kobe back in 2000 averaged 15.6 pts in the finals because he was injured. It happens bro, it is part of the game. Get over it, Lebron is not better then MJ deal with it.

[ArbitraryWater]

WTF?
Are you serious?
Are we going to start judging players from their ''abilities'' now? :oldlol:

This is a joke, I'm a LeBron guy you know, like you :cheers:

[livinglegend]

Wade was playing injured. I know you don't play sports but doing physical activities when injured is really hard. If you are 7 ft it's even worse. But anyways, something you don't even understand about basketball, there is only one ball and too many players demanding it. They gave it to Lebron who has it most of the time anyways. How do you expect Bosh to do score if he doesn't have the ball except to shot from afar, that is not even his main strength...:facepalm

Even Kobe back in 2000 averaged 15.6 pts in the finals because he was injured. It happens bro, it is part of the game. Get over it, Lebron is not better then MJ deal with it.

Since Wade was injuried, that Heat team wasnt so ''stacked'' during 2013 playoffs then?

As far as Bosh is concerned, they tried to get him going against Pacers and Spurs by giving his ball and it didnt work.

[Bandito]

Since Wade was injuried, that Heat team wasnt so ''stacked'' during 2013 playoffs then?

As far as Bosh is concerned, they tried to get him going against Pacers and Spurs by giving his ball and it didnt work.
They won despite Wade being injured. Are you analyzing what you write?:facepalm

You just proved my whole 'premise'...

And I don't know what series you were watching because the PAcers vs Heat game they play like they always do, Lebron do everything, same with the Spurs game.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Intangibles and context. For instance, in the middle of the Finals against SA, Wade had B2B games of 25+ (32 in Gm 4) on ~51% shooting. Dude was a superstar in the Finals, period.

[DMAVS41]

Since Wade was injuried, that Heat team wasnt so ''stacked'' during 2013 playoffs then?

As far as Bosh is concerned, they tried to get him going against Pacers and Spurs by giving his ball and it didnt work.

Do you really not get it?

The Heat still won even though their 2nd best player was clearly injured. That is the definition of stacked.

Give Lebron a ton of credit, but that is the luxury he has at the moment...or at least he did last year. Even with Wade hurt and Bosh slumping...they still won. And that is due to Lebron being great, the Heat being stacked, and weak competition.

[livinglegend]

They won despite Wade being injured. Are you analyzing what you write?:facepalm

You just proved my whole 'premise'...

This Heat team is considered ''stacked'' because Lebron has 2 other great teammates in Wade ( considered a superstar by many) and Bosh ( all star). Since wade was injured and Bosh gave mediocre production during 2013 playoffs, the team wasnt so stacked anymore. Heat still won, that shows how great Lebron is.

[DMAVS41]

This Heat team is considered ''stacked'' because Lebron has 2 other great teammates in Wade ( considered a superstar by many) and Bosh ( all star). Since wade was injured and Bosh gave mediocre production during 2013 playoffs, the team wasnt so stacked anymore. Heat still won, that shows how great Lebron is.

Yes, in part it shows how great Lebron is. But it's not just Wade and Bosh. And you are under-rating how well Wade played at key moments/games.

It's Ray Allen, it's Bird Man, it's Battier...it's Mike Miller. They were not only stacked in terms of stars, but stacked in terms of depth and versatility.

Like I said above. 13 was about Lebron's greatness, stacked Heat, and weak competition (which impacts the "stacked" label because it's in comparison to the competition...which was very weak)

[Bandito]

This Heat team is considered ''stacked'' because Lebron has 2 other great teammates in Wade ( considered a superstar by many) and Bosh ( all star). Since wade was injured and Bosh gave mediocre production during 2013 playoffs, the team wasnt so stacked anymore. Heat still won, that shows how great Lebron is.
:facepalm


What about Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Batter and even Birdman. Heck Cole and Mario were awesome at times too. Do you know what the term stacked means? Basketball is played with 5 people on the court not just 3...

And those stats are not mediocre. They are not Superstars stats but they were good enough to win Lebron his FMVP...

[livinglegend]

Yes, in part it shows how great Lebron is. But it's not just Wade and Bosh. And you are under-rating how well Wade played at key moments/games.

It's Ray Allen, it's Bird Man, it's Battier...it's Mike Miller. They were not only stacked in terms of stars, but stacked in terms of depth and versatility.

Like I said above. 13 was about Lebron's greatness, stacked Heat, and weak competition (which impacts the "stacked" label because it's in comparison to the competition...which was very weak)

Again, every championship teams has role players stepping up. 1 player cant win it all. Lebron s supporting cast was average last season. They werent better than other championship teams.
Every championship team has players like MIller, Battier, etc. According to this board, what makes this Heat team more stacked than other championship teams is Bosh and Wade. Since they both were mediocre for most the playoffs last season, that team wasnt stacked then.

[ArbitraryWater]

Do you really not get it?

The Heat still won even though their 2nd best player was clearly injured. That is the definition of stacked.

Give Lebron a ton of credit, but that is the luxury he has at the moment...or at least he did last year. Even with Wade hurt and Bosh slumping...they still won. And that is due to Lebron being great, the Heat being stacked, and weak competition.

The fact that they STILL won CAN'T be attributed to the "stacked heat" but LEBRON JAMES.

With an injured wade, there is no "super ultra mega stacked team", and an injured wade, was the case BOTH LAST TWO PLAYOFFS.

"Even with Wade hurt and Bosh slumping...they still won" WOW, and you somehow want to spin that into it having a different meaning? In stead of LeBron needing to turn on an UBER GEAR, extra engine, it's "he STILL won, THATS how stacked the heat are..."

come on

[DMAVS41]

:facepalm


What about Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Batter and even Birdman. Heck Cole and Mario were awesome at times too. Do you know what the term stacked means? Basketball is played with 5 people on the court not just 3...

And those stats are not mediocre. They are not Superstars stats but they were good enough to win Lebron his FMVP...

Wade averaged 20/4/5 in the finals and plays high quality high impact defense. But apparently he just sucked....

Yet, I have to hear constantly how Jason Terry was amazing in the finals (which he was) and that he was the real fmvp.

Terry put up 18/2/3 and is at best a liability defensively. Now, Terry was more efficient and super clutch, but we know the narrative between the two is hugely different.

The point? Wade, as usual, is being under-rated here yet again to prop up Lebron.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yes, in part it shows how great Lebron is. But it's not just Wade and Bosh. And you are under-rating how well Wade played at key moments/games.

It's Ray Allen, it's Bird Man, it's Battier...it's Mike Miller. They were not only stacked in terms of stars, but stacked in terms of depth and versatility.

Like I said above. 13 was about Lebron's greatness, stacked Heat, and weak competition (which impacts the "stacked" label because it's in comparison to the competition...which was very weak)

HAH! Wade had one great game in a KEY GAME. Like Xerxes said, he's being put in the perfect spot. What's about the other key games where he didnt show up? You ignore those?

It's like saying "Russell scored big time in key games, remember the 30/20 game? He did it in key games..."

:facepalm

[livinglegend]

:facepalm


What about Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Batter and even Birdman. Heck Cole and Mario were awesome at times too. Do you know what the term stacked means? Basketball is played with 5 people on the court not just 3...

And those stats are not mediocre. They are not Superstars stats but they were good enough to win Lebron his FMVP...
then,
Lakers were stacked with Gasol, Odom, Fisher, Metta, Bynum...
Celtics were stacked with Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, Powe, T.Allen...
SPurs were stacked with Duncan, Paker, Ginobli, Horry...

Seems like 95% of the championship teams were stacked.

[JebronLames]

Do you really not get it?

The Heat still won even though their 2nd best player was clearly injured. That is the definition of stacked.

Give Lebron a ton of credit, but that is the luxury he has at the moment...or at least he did last year. Even with Wade hurt and Bosh slumping...they still won. And that is due to Lebron being great, the Heat being stacked, and weak competition.
Hahaha bad logic. Wade and bosh along with lebron are the reason they are considered stacked. With wade playing hurt and bosh slumping, they are no longer stacked.

[DMAVS41]

The fact that they STILL won CAN'T be attributed to the "stacked heat" but LEBRON JAMES.

With an injured wade, there is no "super ultra mega stacked team", and an injured wade, was the case BOTH LAST TWO PLAYOFFS.

"Even with Wade hurt and Bosh slumping...they still won" WOW, and you somehow want to spin that into it having a different meaning? In stead of LeBron needing to turn on an UBER GEAR, extra engine, it's "he STILL won, THATS how stacked the heat are..."

come on

I credited Lebron moron. You need to..."come on"

it was a testament to Lebron's greatness, stacked/deep heat, and weak competition

they don't play in a vacuum...the competition in 13 was extremely weak. that played a big role in why they won. play the 13 Heat against the competition in 11 and they might not make it out of the 2nd round....and they sure as hell aren't winning it if they manage to make the finals.

lol....come on

[DMAVS41]

Hahaha bad logic. Wade and bosh along with lebron are the reason they are considered stacked. With wade playing hurt and bosh slumping, they are no longer stacked.

No, that is bad logic. You are either stacked or not...and the Heat were stacked.

They won the ****ing title with Lebron going ghost for the first like 5.75 games of the finals.

It's not just one or the other. Not to mention Wade averaged 20/4/5 in the finals.

I'll keep saying it;

Lebron's greatness, stacked Heat, weak competition

That is what 13 was. To deny any of the above is silly.

[livinglegend]

I credited Lebron moron. You need to..."come on"

it was a testament to Lebron's greatness, stacked/deep heat, and weak competition

they don't play in a vacuum...the competition in 13 was extremely weak. that played a big role in why they won. play the 13 Heat against the competition in 11 and they might not make it out of the 2nd round....and they sure as hell aren't winning it if they manage to make the finals.

lol....come on

It s easy to make to kind of statements knowing that you can never be proved wrong since time travelling is not possible.

[ArbitraryWater]

then,
Lakers were stacked with Gasol, Odom, Fisher, Metta, Bynum...
Celtics were stacked with Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, Powe, T.Allen...
SPurs were stacked with Duncan, Paker, Ginobli, Horry...

Seems like 95% of the championship teams were stacked.

Exactly, emberassing how nowadays people add BIRDMAN, COLE OR CHALMERS, to the list as "stacked"... PFFFF what a joke.

The Heat are a big 2 in LeBron/Wade with good role players in Bosh&Allen, while the rest is solid...

[DMAVS41]

then,
Lakers were stacked with Gasol, Odom, Fisher, Metta, Bynum...
Celtics were stacked with Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, Powe, T.Allen...
SPurs were stacked with Duncan, Paker, Ginobli, Horry...

Seems like 95% of the championship teams were stacked.

Well, the Lakers and Celtics teams above were absolutely ****ing stacked.

depends on which Spurs years you are referencing. I think they were pretty stacked from 05 through 07 actually...

[DMAVS41]

Exactly, emberassing how nowadays people add BIRDMAN, COLE OR CHALMERS, to the list as "stacked"... PFFFF what a joke.

The Heat are a big 2 in LeBron/Wade with good role players in Bosh&Allen, while the rest is solid...


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[livinglegend]

Well, the Lakers and Celtics teams above were absolutely ****ing stacked.

depends on which Spurs years you are referencing. I think they were pretty stacked from 05 through 07 actually...

Mavs were also stacked, Terry played better than Wade. Chandler played better than Bosh. Then, they have guys like Barea, Marion, Stevenson, etc. STACKED!

[pegasus]

Mavs were also stacked, Terry played better than Wade. Chandler played better than Bosh. Then, they have guys like Barea, Marion, Stevenson, etc. STACKED!

Mavs were more stacked because Dirk >>>>>>>>> Lebron

[DMAVS41]

Mavs were also stacked, Terry played better than Wade. Marion played better than Bosh. Then, they have guys like Barea, Stevenson, etc. STACKED!

In just the finals? Sure, but that really isn't how you judge a team of being stacked or not.

Because the Mavs played way better than their averages in the playoffs...it was an anomaly.

If Terry, Barea, Kidd, Marion...etc. all played below their levels....Mavs don't even beat the Blazers.

Yet the Heat...who had better players and stars....could afford to have a team win the title while slumping.

Also, the Mavs faced way better competition. It's not a stacked in a vacuum...it's about the state of the competition.

And a big part of why the Heat were stacked was because of the incredibly weak competition they faced.

Again...pit the 13 Heat in 2011 and they honestly might lose in the 2nd round.

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

You want to add Bosh for a "Big" label? Or is it you'd like more players added as "good role players" ? Hah. Then let me go ahead and rest the entire 2011 mavs team as great role players, kay?

You incredibly overrate LeBron's cast dude. And I actually like you as poster from what I've seen, you've battle like 3 posters at once on numerous occasions.

But please, tell me what you don't agree with.

[ArbitraryWater]

In just the finals? Sure, but that really isn't how you judge a team of being stacked or not.

Because the Mavs played way better than their averages in the playoffs...it was an anomaly.

If Terry, Barea, Kidd, Marion...etc. all played below their levels....Mavs don't even beat the Blazers.

Yet the Heat...who had better players and stars....could afford to have a team win the title while slumping.

Also, the Mavs faced way better competition. It's not a stacked in a vacuum...it's about the state of the competition.

And a big part of why the Heat were stacked was because of the incredibly weak competition they faced.

Again...pit the 13 Heat in 2011 and they honestly might lose in the 2nd round.

What? But the 2011 Heat made it to the finals, why would a better version lose in the 2nd round? :wtf: :rolleyes:

[livinglegend]

In just the finals? Sure, but that really isn't how you judge a team of being stacked or not.

Because the Mavs played way better than their averages in the playoffs...it was an anomaly.

If Terry, Barea, Kidd, Marion...etc. all played below their levels....Mavs don't even beat the Blazers.

Yet the Heat...who had better players and stars....could afford to have a team win the title while slumping.

Also, the Mavs faced way better competition. It's not a stacked in a vacuum...it's about the state of the competition.

And a big part of why the Heat were stacked was because of the incredibly weak competition they faced.

Again...pit the 13 Heat in 2011 and they honestly might lose in the 2nd round.

Then how do you judge it?

[JebronLames]

Exactly, emberassing how nowadays people add BIRDMAN, COLE OR CHALMERS, to the list as "stacked"... PFFFF what a joke.

The Heat are a big 2 in LeBron/Wade with good role players in Bosh&Allen, while the rest is solid...
People adding mike miller is a joke. He was playing with injuries and was in and out of the rotation.

[DMAVS41]

You want to add Bosh for a "Big" label? Or is it you'd like more players added as "good role players" ? Hah. Then let me go ahead and rest the entire 2011 mavs team as great role players, kay?

You incredibly overrate LeBron's cast dude. And I actually like you as poster from what I've seen, you've battle like 3 posters at once on numerous occasions.

But please, tell me what you don't agree with.

You are making it all or nothing.

It's a combination of everything. There is nothing wrong with using 13 as evidence of Lebron's greatness. I do it all the time.

The other parts that need mention though are the fact that they could slump as a team (lebron included in the finals) and still win. And that is in part because of Lebron's greatness, a stacked/deep team, and weak competition.

What part do you disagree with? You going to tell me the competition was tough? A bye in the first 2 rounds and then a Pacers team that was inept offensively and didn't even win 50 games?

And then an old Spurs team that couldn't finish off a slumping Heat team with Lebron going ghost yet again in the finals almost all the way through game 6?

[livinglegend]

What? But the 2011 Heat made it to the finals, why would a better version lose in the 2nd round? :wtf: :rolleyes:

Who cares about those things? It s impossible to predict them. Useless discussing them.

[DMAVS41]

What? But the 2011 Heat made it to the finals, why would a better version lose in the 2nd round? :wtf: :rolleyes:

the 13 Heat in the playoffs were clearly worse than the 11 Heat.

Are you seriously arguing that? Holy shit...

You are the one claiming that Lebron didn't have much help. Now the 13 Heat are better when Lebron had more help in 11? Makes no ****ing sense dude...

[Solefade]

**** man, dmavs always coming in with his jason terry and dirk a la 2011 essays

[DMAVS41]

Then how do you judge it?

About margin of error. Look at the margin of error for the Heat in 13. They could slump and win the title.

the 11 Mavs aren't ****ing winning the title if Terry and Chandler play well below their normal averages.

Shit, they could have easily lost with Terry, Kidd, Marion, Barea, and Chandler all playing well above their normal averages.

[DMAVS41]

**** man, dmavs always coming in with his jason terry and dirk a la 2011 essays

Yes, lets just sit by and listen to Lebron stans claim that Lebron doesn't have a stacked roster.

The sick thing...****ing Wade even with his injuries was still a better all around player than Terry.

That is what being stacked is...having such a great team that even if your 2nd best player is hurt and clearly hobbled and playing bad...you cans still win.

Yes, it speaks to Lebron being great, but it also speaks to having a stacked team and playing weaker than normal competition.

[livinglegend]

About margin of error. Look at the margin of error for the Heat in 13. They could slump and win the title.

the 11 Mavs aren't ****ing winning the title if Terry and Chandler play well below their normal averages.

Shit, they could have easily lost with Terry, Kidd, Marion, Barea, and Chandler all playing well above their normal averages.

WTF? Margin of error? :oldlol:
Nice one.
How to measure that exactly? This is so entertaining.

[DMAVS41]

WTF? Margin of error? :oldlol:
Nice one.
How to measure that exactly? This is so entertaining.

Sorry it's not just this easy concept...you might actually have to think.

You have to actually look at the competition the Heat were facing. It's all relative. The 13 Heat wouldn't be nearly as stacked if they faced harder competition, but they didn't face that.

[livinglegend]

Sorry it's not just this easy concept...you might actually have to think.

You have to actually look at the competition the Heat were facing. It's all relative. The 13 Heat wouldn't be nearly as stacked if they faced harder competition, but they didn't face that.

:facepalm
Your concept just lost all credibility.

[j3lademaster]

@OP

If you're trying to say Lebron's '13 championship squad wasn't historically "relatively stacked" compared to the rest of the league at those respective times, then I agree with you.

[ArbitraryWater]

About margin of error. Look at the margin of error for the Heat in 13. They could slump and win the title.

the 11 Mavs aren't ****ing winning the title if Terry and Chandler play well below their normal averages.

Shit, they could have easily lost with Terry, Kidd, Marion, Barea, and Chandler all playing well above their normal averages.

Margin of error=supporting cast?

Look, admittedly the 2011 Heat played better in the rounds up to the finals, which was due to Wade still being "old" Wade. The 2013 Team, I mean, felt like it coasted during the playoffs, you can bet on them adjusting to tougher opponents, like they always have.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yes, lets just sit by and listen to Lebron stans claim that Lebron doesn't have a stacked roster.

The sick thing...****ing Wade even with his injuries was still a better all around player than Terry.

That is what being stacked is...having such a great team that even if your 2nd best player is hurt and clearly hobbled and playing bad...you cans still win.

Yes, it speaks to Lebron being great, but it also speaks to having a stacked team and playing weaker than normal competition.

See this is where you're wrong again.

Reminds me of when you added up 07, 09 and 10 for one winnable LeBron year :biggums:

Couldnt respond cause I wasnt registered yet, but that doesnt even make sense.

You argued it because Dirk&Hakeem won with much less, but that couldnt be expected, right?? Thats what makes their runs so great! You cant make that the norm, or, would you have criticized Dirk in 2011 had he not won? Or Hakeem in '94? Please answer this directly.

[Replay32]

Stats can be misleading. You have to watch the games. The problem that I've seen the last 2 season is that Wade hasn't been able to consistently hold it down when lebron goes to the bench. A lot of times the Heat would lose their lead when lebron sat down, meaning he would have to come back in early. That's were "lebron carrying the Heat" comes into play.

Wade barely even played in the Bucks series and was very inconsistent throughout the playoffs. And in the finals it was the same thing, except for game 4. That was the game I said, finally Lebron can sit back and watch wade just dominate. Other than that, lebron did have to carry a lot of the load the last 2 years. Now this year, wade is ballin when he plays. And he's holding it down when lebron sits for his rest. He's having a greater impact for sure this year.

As for bosh. He can be very passive and inconsistent. What Duncan did to that dude in the finals was crazy and bosh couldn't respond offensively. 0 points in game 7 from an all star. Wow!!!!

All in all, the Heat are a great team and have been for the last 3 years. It's really remarkable that they have won 2 titles in 3 years with there lack of size. They've proved me wrong. But Wade and Bosh usually show up when it's really needed. That's a luxury that he didn't have in Cleveland.

[JebronLames]

Wade's 20/5/4 in the finals was not as good as it looks. Spurs were ignoring him, lebron sacrificing his own game to get wade going, and his defense was not as good.

Bosh couldn't find his midrange throughout the entire playoffs, which hurt his confidence and aggressiveness. That's why he only averaged 12 ppg.

[Bandito]

Wade's 20/5/4 in the finals was not as good as it looks. Spurs were ignoring him, lebron sacrificing his own game to get wade going, and his defense was not as good.

Bosh couldn't find his midrange throughout the entire playoffs, which hurt his confidence and aggressiveness. That's why he only averaged 12 ppg.
Lebron sacrificed his game? He couldn't make anything from outside the paint. His shot was downright pathetic. IF it wasn't for Ray shot he wouldn't had a great game 7.:facepalm

[livinglegend]

Lebron sacrificed his game? He couldn't make anything from outside the paint. His shot was downright pathetic. IF it wasn't for Ray shot he wouldn't had a great game 7.:facepalm

If it wasnt for Lebron carrying the team and leading a great comeback, Ray wouldnt hit that shot. THere are many ways to look at things.
Everything that happened in that game impacted the outcome of it. If you look at the stats or actually watch the game, you would see that Lebron had the most impact in that game, thus he was more responsible for that win than anyone else. Lol at Allen ''saved'' him.

[JebronLames]

Lebron sacrificed his game? He couldn't make anything from outside the paint. His shot was downright pathetic. IF it wasn't for Ray shot he wouldn't had a great game 7.:facepalm
You just proved my point. One of the reasons his shot wasn't going down was because he was trying to get wade going. He sacrificed getting himself going in order to get wade going. That's the main reason why wade had any of his big playoff games during the past two years.

[HiphopRelated]

You just proved my point. One of the reasons his shot wasn't going down was because he was trying to get wade going. He sacrificed getting himself going in order to get wade going. That's the main reason why wade had any of his big playoff games during the past two years.
At least Wade got going.

When Wade did it for Lebron in 2011, he didn't do shit

[TheMarkMadsen]

You just proved my point. One of the reasons his shot wasn't going down was because he was trying to get wade going. He sacrificed getting himself going in order to get wade going. That's the main reason why wade had any of his big playoff games during the past two years.


what kind of ass backwards Pauk logic is this :lol

he can't MAKE a shot because he's passing the ball... OK

in the first 3 games of last years finals when Lebron was playing like ass he took more shots each game than Wade..

so there goes that excuse..

[SCdac]

Eh, Wade was dinged up in the playoffs, and Bosh knows his role and can step out of it when need be.

People try and separate the '13 Heat regular season team and '13 playoff team, like they were completely different, but it was just normal ups and down on the roster (injuries, etc).

2013 Heat were definitely a beast of a team, much more filled out, gelled, and improved than their first season together.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/dam/assets/130313193325-20130313-miami-heat-streak-00021429.main-video-player.jpg

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/517e9c0869bedd7e2d00000f-608-457/untitled-1-599.jpg

http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/miami-heat-27-game-win-streak-meme.png

[DMAVS41]

See this is where you're wrong again.

Reminds me of when you added up 07, 09 and 10 for one winnable LeBron year :biggums:

Couldnt respond cause I wasnt registered yet, but that doesnt even make sense.

You argued it because Dirk&Hakeem won with much less, but that couldnt be expected, right?? Thats what makes their runs so great! You cant make that the norm, or, would you have criticized Dirk in 2011 had he not won? Or Hakeem in '94? Please answer this directly.

I don't follow.

You can't just ignore those years for Lebron and act like he didn't have a legit chance to win. He did...it just wasn't as good as other years for other players or Lebron. So not counting them for anything is grossly unfair. It would be like not counting 03 for the Mavs as a legit chance to win. Should we really just count that as no chance to win? That doesn't make sense. Same thing with 11...it's only counted because the Mavs won. Nobody gave them a legit chance. My point with that is that you can't just sweep 07, 09, and 10 under the rug and act like Lebron didn't at least have some better than normal chance to win.

As far as the 13 Heat. Yes...it's relative. The 13 Heat get murdered by the 86 Celtics...but the Heat were still stacked...just not historically.

If the 13 Heat had to play even the 11 competition...I don't think you could call them stacked at all based on their performance in the playoffs. But the Pacers and old Spurs instead of the Celtics, Bulls, and Mavs??? Yes...much different competition and that factors into a team being stacked.

It's really not hard. You are just randomly complicating things for no reason...or well, the reason to prop up Lebron.

[DMAVS41]

Margin of error=supporting cast?

Look, admittedly the 2011 Heat played better in the rounds up to the finals, which was due to Wade still being "old" Wade. The 2013 Team, I mean, felt like it coasted during the playoffs, you can bet on them adjusting to tougher opponents, like they always have.

No, just not, Wade was actually hurt. And they didn't adjust at all to the Spurs honestly. They got lucky.

1 more made free throw or 1 rebound and they lose...and to a Spurs team with Parker and Manu playing poorly....with Green not being able to throw it into the ocean in game 6.

To ignore that is silly. This notion that the Heat were coasting in the playoffs is laughable...they got taken to the brink by the Pacers and Spurs...

[oh the horror]

To say they "coasted in the playoffs" is downright insane.

[DMAVS41]

Eh, Wade was dinged up in the playoffs, and Bosh knows his role and can step out of it when need be.

People try and separate the '13 Heat regular season team and '13 playoff team, like they were completely different, but it was just normal ups and down on the roster (injuries, etc).

2013 Heat were definitely a beast of a team, much more filled out, gelled, and improved than their first season together.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/dam/assets/130313193325-20130313-miami-heat-streak-00021429.main-video-player.jpg

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/517e9c0869bedd7e2d00000f-608-457/untitled-1-599.jpg

http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/miami-heat-27-game-win-streak-meme.png


Nah...the 13 Heat were a shell of the win streak Heat. Half of their players were slumping and Wade was visibly hurt.

They were nowhere near as good as the 11 or 12 Heat in the playoffs. To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.

Healthy in the regular season? 13 Heat were the best of the group...but the team playing in the ECF and Finals was easily the worst.

[DMAVS41]

To say they "coasted in the playoffs" is downright insane.

I know. Just when you think you've heard it all. A team that essentially lost game 6 in the finals if not for pure luck...was coasting and could have stepped up their game against tougher competition and won...

Holy shit...

Dat Lebron Stan Logic

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[oh the horror]

Yes because it's always preferred to be taken to two consecutive game 7 series.

[jzek]

Cavaliers all over again.

[JebronLames]

what kind of ass backwards Pauk logic is this :lol

he can't MAKE a shot because he's passing the ball... OK

in the first 3 games of last years finals when Lebron was playing like ass he took more shots each game than Wade..

so there goes that excuse..
He sacrificed getting himself in a good offensive rhythm by getting wade going first.

Lol i never said wade took more shots.

[Solefade]

Yes, lets just sit by and listen to Lebron stans claim that Lebron doesn't have a stacked roster.

The sick thing...****ing Wade even with his injuries was still a better all around player than Terry.

That is what being stacked is...having such a great team that even if your 2nd best player is hurt and clearly hobbled and playing bad...you cans still win.

Yes, it speaks to Lebron being great, but it also speaks to having a stacked team and playing weaker than normal competition.


I get that but you don't need to keep arguing with these guys lol

[JebronLames]

Yes, lets just sit by and listen to Lebron stans claim that Lebron doesn't have a stacked roster.

The sick thing...****ing Wade even with his injuries was still a better all around player than Terry.

That is what being stacked is...having such a great team that even if your 2nd best player is hurt and clearly hobbled and playing bad...you cans still win.

Yes, it speaks to Lebron being great, but it also speaks to having a stacked team and playing weaker than normal competition.
Haha you sound like a whiny kid who lost at something.

He only beat me in basketball because I was hungry, my cheek hurts, and my hand was kind of hurting from writing so much in class today. He's not really that good.

[Boarder Patrol]

Are you a Heat fan or LeBron fan? Why are you putting down his teammates just to prop Bron on a pedestal?