The Internet in the U.S. may have just been changed forever.

[bdreason]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/14/technology/fcc-net-neutrality/index.html




Imagine your ISP being able to decide which sites you can visit, or what hardware you can use to access the internet. We could even see something as extreme as exclusive deals between ISP's and websites. Imagine only being able to access Youtube if you use Verizon internet.

[-p.tiddy-]

why would they want to limit you though? why would Verizon want your only option to be YouTube?

[shaq2000]

The web will eventually go the way of cable TV. Enjoy the costs, users and consumers!

[shaq2000]

why would they want to limit you though? why would Verizon want your only option to be YouTube?

They will want high-bandwidth websites (like youtube) to pay more for their high usage. It'll turn into a tiered system where you pay for access to different types of content.


The biggest broadband providers will race to turn the open and vibrant Web into something that looks like cable TV. They'll establish fast lanes for the few giant companies that can afford to pay exorbitant tolls and reserve the slow lanes for everyone else.

[-p.tiddy-]

The web will eventually go the way of cable TV. Enjoy the costs, users and consumers!
nah, the web is just way too hackable for that...people will always be able to find ways around things on the internet

[tmacattack33]

Good.

Maybe then artists and entertainers will be paid rightfully for what they create.

[highwhey]

Complete bs. Internet access isn't free, why should they limit the websites I can visit? All that content is free, my isp charges me to use their network to gain access to free content, fck their tolls.

[shaq2000]

nah, the web is just way too hackable for that...people will always be able to find ways around things on the internet

There are ways to illegally obtain free cable TV. Doesn't mean the cable providers don't get by just fine by charging the masses who won't/can't get their content elsewhere.

I agree that the internet is a very different beast to try to wrangle for profit, but if anybody can do it, it's American ISPs that stand to make a killing. The public will accept these internet browsing fees just like they accept cell phone and TV fees (if the FCC doesn't eventually enforce net neutrality).


Good.

Maybe then artists and entertainers will be paid rightfully for what they create.

That won't change. It's more about the delivery of content, not about the creation. Providers will charge for access to different types of data, but that doesn't mean they'll be sharing that money with the original creators of the data.

[shaq2000]

Also, the costs of entry for startup companies will drastically change. Startups-turned-giants like Google, Facebook, Amazon could become more of a thing of the past. It won't be enough to have a great idea when you don't have the access to millions of potential users without paying ISPs for permission.

[bdreason]

Good.

Maybe then artists and entertainers will be paid rightfully for what they create.


This has nothing to do with blocking illegal content or protecting intellectual property. This is about controlling legal content on the web... something ISP's have been drooling over for years.


Imagine the internet set up much like your cable television package. Pay $50 a month for basic internet connection. Want to access high-data websites like Youtube or Facebook? You'll need the premium package for that ($75 a month).

[kentatm]

why would they want to limit you though? why would Verizon want your only option to be YouTube?


b/c Verizon, Time Warner, Comcast etc etc, might want you to watch a streaming content site that they own.

For example, Time Warner may decide that Netflix is competition to their cable business they don't want to aid so they will make it practically unusable unless you pay out the butt to get the proper internet package.

[rezznor]

b/c Verizon, Time Warner, Comcast etc etc, might want you to watch a streaming content site that they own.

For example, Time Warner may decide that Netflix is competition to their cable business they don't want to aid so they will make it practically unusable unless you pay out the butt to get the proper internet package.
this right here in a nutshell. don't think for a second your isp isn't going to try it's damned hardest to gouge the hell out of you or force you to use their content.


also, the government officials who set the wheels in motion to allow this to happen now work as high payed lobbyists for the very entities that just won big on this ruling. convenient, huh?

http://bgr.com/2014/01/15/net-neutrality-regulators-lobbyists/

[QUOTE]The LA Times points out something worth repeating: net neutrality was really killed back in 2002, when the FCC Chairman Michael Powell reclassified cable modem services as

[bladefd]

This has nothing to do with blocking illegal content or protecting intellectual property. This is about controlling legal content on the web... something ISP's have been drooling over for years.

Imagine the internet set up much like your cable television package. Pay $50 a month for basic internet connection. Want to access high-data websites like Youtube or Facebook? You'll need the premium package for that ($75 a month).

That day is a nightmare, but it is right around the corner. I can't believe this case just passed under everybody's noses, and it is only now that we're finding out what the result was.

I am willing to bet that the people making this decision are most likely judges in their 60s and 70s that barely can use a touchphone or even know the technological capabilities that ISPs already have at their disposal. I would be surprised if quarter of the judges even know how to turn a computer on all the way in 2014 :lol

FCC was the one making these decisions for years since they actually have people with the technological understanding and capabilities, but now it has shifted entirely to the hands of judges setting precedents? A person with degree in law making decisions in an entirely different field. Anyone else see an issue with this?

[Jameerthefear]

U.S. government is a joke

[bagelred]

Bunch of socialists in this thread. It's called capitalism. Private companies can do whatever they want. You don't like it, move to China. F-cking hippies.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah, rent-seeking shit like this really is the ultimate leech behavior in the economy. Zero value added but lots of profit. People will blame this on govt (and should) but crony capitalism is the inevitable evolution of an economy like ours.

[joe]

Yeah, rent-seeking shit like this really is the ultimate leech behavior in the economy. Zero value added but lots of profit. People will blame this on govt (and should) but crony capitalism is the inevitable evolution of an economy like ours.

Or maybe the inevitable evolution of a society/culture like ours..

[shaq2000]

Bunch of socialists in this thread. It's called capitalism. Private companies can do whatever they want. You don't like it, move to China. F-cking hippies.

I love (regulated) free market capitalism, and I love an open and free internet. Opposing net neutrality won't increase competition or drive improvement in service amongst internet providers.

[MavsSuperFan]

why would they want to limit you though? why would Verizon want your only option to be YouTube?
I am no expert and I think its immoral but I believe the argument against net neutrality is that some sites use more bandwidth than others so internet service providers should be able to charge them more.

[Akrazotile]

Bunch of socialists in this thread. It's called capitalism. Private companies can do whatever they want. You don't like it, move to China. F-cking hippies.


This guy right here is trying to show off how "cool, hip, and intellectual" he is in taking the 'progressive' side by stating the 'conservative' side sarcastically.

When the truth is his stated point is correct. This is what a free market is. You allow business to compete with each other. So what their goal is profit, and YOU have to use your brain a little as a consumer and decide what you value? That's what FREEDOM is all about. The marriage of choice and responsibility.


"DURRR, MAKE THE GOVERNMENT DO MY THINKING FER ME AND TELL THE STPUPID CORPORATIONS HOW IM ALLOWED TO BUY THINGS. Dat way every moron and bozo who wants a bunch of stuff without having to work or think about it gets it cuz he wants it durrr bad arurrud ba ddurrppp. Hey look everyone, I took the edgy populist angle, I must be really smartified! I hope you all mistake me for that!!!"

[Akrazotile]

Yeah, rent-seeking shit like this really is the ultimate leech behavior in the economy. Zero value added but lots of profit. People will blame this on govt (and should) but crony capitalism is the inevitable evolution of an economy like ours.


Perspective is needed here.

People have lived and made themselves happy for thousands of years without the internet. Is the internet the ONLY way you can content yourself? You can no longer use books and board games and travel and exercise and learning and discussion and good company?

You need Facebook and Youtube IN ORDER to be happy?

God help you, but that's on you. Cough up a few extra bucks for it. It's nobody's responsibility to give it to you for free.

[DetroitPiston]

why would they want to limit you though? why would Verizon want your only option to be YouTube?

Dude, money.

[highwhey]

I am no expert and I think its immoral but I believe the argument against net neutrality is that some sites use more bandwidth than others so internet service providers should be able to charge them more.
Well a lot of ISP's have already capped their internet usage on a monthly basis. They don't even disclose it until of course you have reached that limit in which case they pull the "it's in the agreement" line. This attempt of theirs is purely based on potential financial gain. It doesn't surprise me one bit Verizon is in the conversation, they eliminated unlimited mobile Internet access.

I realize websites like netflix, youtube, etc are major bandwidth users but that's like the government charging us because we use the roads too often. It's not as if ISP companies are going broke ether, it's simply a matter of earning more money and/or encourage consumers to use less bandwidth which saves them money or allows more consumers to use their network.

[Akrazotile]

I realize websites like netflix, youtube, etc are major bandwidth users but that's like the government charging us because we use the roads too often.


lulz



http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/ryan_tolls%209%20_met.jpg


What do you think these are for?


You think the sweet innocent government won't make an extra buck wherever IT can??


Honestly, the naivety of people (i.e. liberals) is staggering. At least in the corporate world nobody can force you to do anything. Try not paying your taxes. See how long you stay out of prison.


"Government >>>>> Companies" The cry of the emotional, idealistic, moronic, ridicu..


..... I'm sorry, I've lost my train of thought.

[shaq2000]

You need Facebook and Youtube IN ORDER to be happy?

God help you, but that's on you. Cough up a few extra bucks for it. It's nobody's responsibility to give it to you for free.

And nobody is giving it to you for free. You already pay for internet access every month.


I realize websites like netflix, youtube, etc are major bandwidth users but that's like the government charging us because we use the roads too often.

It's like charging you according to your destination and controlling where you can go and how fast you can get there by how much you're willing to pay.

Imagine the internet is one gigantic city with many freeways going in and out. Right now, you pay a monthly toll with your ISP to gain access to that city. Different ISPs have different sized freeways going into the city and offer different packages to enter, but once you've entered the city.. you're in. You can visit any building you'd like for as long as you'd like. You can stop by the Facebook building, the Amazon building or even the tiny little InsideHoops shack that not too many people know about. You've paid for the access to the city, and what you do when you get there is your business (assuming it's legal).

But if net neutrality were to be fully be done away with, imagine that you not only have to pay a fee to enter the city, but that the fees depend on what buildings you want to visit. And not only will you have to pay more to go to certain buildings, but you'll also be at the mercy of your ISP in the end. They'll be your traffic controller. You might not even be able to access some buildings at all if they happen to be competitors.

Part of me is surprised to see so many republicans opposing net neutrality when they claim to want individual freedom. I guess individual freedom doesn't apply to the internet, or maybe corporate freedom trumps individual.

[highwhey]

lulz



http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/ryan_tolls%209%20_met.jpg


What do you think these are for?


You think the sweet innocent government won't make an extra buck wherever IT can??


Honestly, the naivety of people (i.e. liberals) is staggering. At least in the corporate world nobody can force you to do anything. Try not paying your taxes. See how long you stay out of prison.


"Government >>>>> Companies" The cry of the emotional, idealistic, moronic, ridicu..


..... I'm sorry, I've lost my train of thought.

out in the southwest we dont have many toll roads. and i was reffering to normal roads. :facepalm

[shaq2000]

http://blog.digital.telefonica.com/2013/10/09/tim-berners-lee-telefonica-open-agenda/

[QUOTE=Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the World Wide Web]One of the ways in which we protect the Web is by ensuring Net Neutrality. Net Neutrality is about non-discrimination. Its principle is that if I pay to connect to the Net with a certain quality of service, and you pay to connect with that or a greater quality of service, then we can both communicate at the same level. This is important because it allows an open, fair market. It

[knickballer]

Just another way for corporations to profit off something they don't actually control. Who the **** owns the internet again?


Next the government is going to start charging us on how much carbon dioxide we release when breathing to fight pollution. But we're saving the environment!

[Akrazotile]

And nobody is giving it to you for free. You already pay for internet access every month.



It's like charging you according to your destination and controlling where you can go and how fast you can get there by how much you're willing to pay.

Imagine the internet is one gigantic city with many freeways going in and out. Right now, you pay a monthly toll with your ISP to gain access to that city. Different ISPs have different sized freeways going into the city and offer different packages to enter, but once you've entered the city.. you're in. You can visit any building you'd like for as long as you'd like. You can stop by the Facebook building, the Amazon building or even the tiny little InsideHoops shack that not too many people know about. You've paid for the access to the city, and what you do when you get there is your business (assuming it's legal).

But if net neutrality were to be fully be done away with, imagine that you not only have to pay a fee to enter the city, but that the fees depend on what buildings you want to visit. And not only will you have to pay more to go to certain buildings, but you'll also be at the mercy of your ISP in the end. They'll be your traffic controller. You might not even be able to access some buildings at all if they happen to be competitors.

Part of me is surprised to see so many republicans opposing net neutrality when they claim to want individual freedom. I guess individual freedom doesn't apply to the internet, or maybe corporate freedom trumps individual.


Corporations are taxed like people. They are run by people. What's next, people who WORK for a corporation have different rights than people who work for a small business, and people who work for a small business have different rights from people who are unemployed?

A company or a corporation cannot MAKE you do anything. We already have some basic and necessary things that the government can MAKE corporations do, but how overboard do we want to go? We move slowly toward the day when we let government make EVERY rule. That's the only path this stuff leads to. You think government overthrows/revolutions aren't cyclical for a reason? Because after x amount of generations, people forget what their forbearer's principles were and slowly let them slip away again. "People who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."


You are just putting us a little closer on the path to total government control. "It's just a tiny step!" is the cry of the me, me me, now, now, now shortsighted populist. Try being an intelligent consumer and forcing the CORPORATION to cater to your demands instead of sacrificing some of your autonomy to the government in exchange for a quick-fix handout.


Bra.

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=shaq2000]One of the ways in which we protect the Web is by ensuring Net Neutrality. Net Neutrality is about non-discrimination. Its principle is that if I pay to connect to the Net with a certain quality of service, and you pay to connect with that or a greater quality of service, then we can both communicate at the same level. This is important because it allows an open, fair market. It

[Akrazotile]

The great irony here is that you ******s should BE so lucky as to have the government restrict your access to Facebook and Netflix. Might actually end up spending some time improving your intellect.


Actually, nevermind. You'd still find other ways to be idiots.


Sheep gonna sheep.

[shaq2000]

Oh, ok, well that's it then. Free movie channel packages for EVERYONE who has TV, otherwise how will the poor ever keep their heads above water in a democracy??

The internet is more than an entertainment platform. It's a revolutionary, open communication system that facilitates the free spread of information in addition to its entertainment and advertising functions.

I think what will eventually happen is that ISPs will be reclassified to prevent them from compromising neutrality. The DC Circuit Court ruling yesterday determined that the FCC has no authority to enforce Network Neutrality rules because internet service providers are not identified as "common carriers" like telephone companies are. Fortunately, telephone companies can't restrict who you can call domestically or charge you more to call your Aunt Jill than it costs to call your Uncle Jim.

[Akrazotile]

The internet is more than an entertainment platform. It's a revolutionary, open communication system that facilitates the free spread of information in addition to its entertainment and advertising functions.

That's what they said about television man. Did cable TV alter the landscape of American equality? What about premium channels?

We can't just have open access PBS equivalents online? Everyone being on Netflix is the only way to ensure equality?




Fortunately, telephone companies can't restrict who you can call domestically or charge you more to call your Aunt Jill than it costs to call your Uncle Jim.


Why did you include the word "domestically?" Because you knew if you didn't that I would, and that allowed you to preemptively minimize the fact that they do charge different rates for different usages?

[Akrazotile]

Btw shaq2000, my vitriolic tone is not directed towards you. Just onlookers in general who will not see the truth because they prefer the delusion of equality to the reality of lyyyeeeeeefe

[Akrazotile]

Hey, Nordstrom shouldn't be allowed to charge any more for clothes and shoes than Walmart, right bras?

Clothes and shoes are revolutionary necessities that we are ALL entitled to. Whats the deal with different kinds of them costing different amounts?


Seriously, whats the deal with that??













http://nycstandup.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/jerry-seinfeld.jpg

[Jailblazers7]

Perspective is needed here.

People have lived and made themselves happy for thousands of years without the internet. Is the internet the ONLY way you can content yourself? You can no longer use books and board games and travel and exercise and learning and discussion and good company?

You need Facebook and Youtube IN ORDER to be happy?

God help you, but that's on you. Cough up a few extra bucks for it. It's nobody's responsibility to give it to you for free.

Lol what? You will take on any excuse to rant won't you?

[hops and stops]

starface is so easy to spot

[DeuceWallaces]

Yeah, another lame Starface alt.

[Akrazotile]

Yeah, another lame Starface alt.


Shut your face Plant College this is my first time on ISH

[T-Time3]

some countries like china,indonesia and other did this long time ago.
no facebook,no twitter, no porn sites, nothing.

[MadeFromDust]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/14/technology/fcc-net-neutrality/index.html




Imagine your ISP being able to decide which sites you can visit, or what hardware you can use to access the internet. We could even see something as extreme as exclusive deals between ISP's and websites. Imagine only being able to access Youtube if you use Verizon internet.Doubt it. FCC is still in charge BAM! Problem solved.

But the ruling did affirm the FCC's authority in principle to regulate broadband Internet service, leaving open the possibility for the commission to rewrite its rules within a new legal framework.

FCC Chairman Thomas Wheeler said in a statement Tuesday that the commission "will consider all available options, including those for appeal, to ensure that these networks on which the Internet depends continue to provide a free and open platform for innovation and expression.

[kNIOKAS]

This is several years late, and according to a source posted in this thread, actually it's been going on since 2002.

Internet vs Government is the real issue, and it's not only US but the freedom of information in general.

I can't say much though. Yeah, a problam, but how to solve it easy I don't know.

[andgar923]

Some people are failing to see the bigger picture and what's actually going on.

This isn't about ISPs and "capitalism" as some are falsely believing the main reason this was created.

This is another form the government is attempting to control the internet, THAT's the main driving force. People actually think this is the movie and music studios behind it? naw.. the gov is mainly behind it.

For those of you that are getting ready to type "You're full of shit you tin foil hat wearer" Have ya'll already forgotten what the NSA's done and how some of us warned ya'll for years? yet some of us were called names, "loony conspiracy theorists" we were called. Yet we were correct all along.

Go ahead and fool yourself into thinking it's about "capitalism" if it makes you feel better.

[CavaliersFTW]

U.S. government is a joke
What on earth could you possibly presume to know about the U.S. government at the age of 15 :lol