can lebron reclaim himself as the best player in the league?

[riseagainst]

Last year Lebron was the best player in the league followed closely by Durant. This year Durant is now ahead of Lebron. Do you think Lebron feels embarrassed about this? And is there any chance he can reclaim his number 1 spot?

[SexSymbol]

Do you mean can he reclaim the MVP favorite status? Yes he can

He's still the best player in the league, Durant has to prove himself where it matters. But he is the MVP for now pretty clearly

[coin24]

Bran needs more help:oldlol:

[T_L_P]

I don't care much for LeBron or Durant, but until Durant can prove himself in the postseason he's not the best player in the league?

MVP of the regular season? Sure

[russwest0]

Last year at this point it was close. It ain't even close right now and LeBron knows it. Thats why he tried to pick the shitty Wizards as a statement game to maybe regain some MVP traction, but that failed miserably. Joyner made some long post about it, Durant is just outplaying LeBron in all facets of basketball. LeBron is letting his man score TWICE as much on defense. He's not even playing defense half the time. He's seriously the biggest cherry picker in the game.

Durant has had a statline of 30-5-5 or better 14 times this season. OKC is 12-2 in those games. LeBron has had a statline of 30-5-5 or better 6 times this season. Miami is 3-3 in those games.

[STATUTORY]

nah that old lion needs to get his ass to the elephant graveyard, it's over

[riseagainst]

Last year at this point it was close. It ain't even close right now and LeBron knows it. Thats why he tried to pick the shitty Wizards as a statement game to maybe regain some MVP traction, but that failed miserably. Joyner made some long post about it, Durant is just outplaying LeBron in all facets of basketball. LeBron is letting his man score TWICE as much on defense. He's not even playing defense half the time. He's seriously the biggest cherry picker in the game.

Durant has had a statline of 30-5-5 or better 14 times this season. OKC is 12-2 in those games. LeBron has had a statline of 30-5-5 or better 6 times this season. Miami is 3-3 in those games.


:bowdown:

it's crazy how good Durant is, and how quickly he is improving and already dethroning Lebron as the best player in the league.

[russwest0]

I don't care much for LeBron or Durant, but until Durant can prove himself in the postseason he's not the best player in the league?

MVP of the regular season? Sure

He has proven himself though. Dominated the Spurs at age 23 (did much better than LeBron ever has done vs them) and then scored 31PPG in the finals on 55% (something LeBron will never do). Also hit 3 game winning shots in the playoffs alone that year. Hit 2 game winning shots last year in the playoffs.

He was just on a young, inexperienced team with a young HC that failed to make adjustments. The refs were also pulling hard for LeBron to get his first ring just like Wade in 2006.

[pauk]

What could have possibly happened that caused Durant in only 38 regular season games to be "ahead" of a back-to-back MVP/FMVP/Champion?

The only thing Durant is arguably "ahead" of right now is the MVP race... just like he was at this stage previous two seasons until Lebron turned it up.... and even if he eventually wins it while Lebron is around it wont matter if the same thing happens for Lebron/Durant in the post season again.... same way it didnt matter when Karl Malone / Charles Barkley won it over Michael Jordan....

Durant is great, but will forever be in Lebron's shadow until he officially "dethrones" him... and there is no better way to do that than the outcome of playoffs/finals... he has to do to Lebron what Lebron did to Kobe... just outbetter him in every category without question... performance on both ends, MVP while then most importantly become a Champion/FVMP.... only then could everybody (even the worst Kobe stans ever) call Lebron officially "best player in the NBA".....

[I<3NBA]

can Kobe reclaim himself as an innocent man?

[moe94]

can Kobe reclaim himself as an innocent man?

I have no idea how you escape bans but keep up the good fight. :oldlol:

[K Xerxes]

He is only the second guy in history to win B2B MVPs and FMVPs, and he has been 'dethroned' in 38 regular season games by a player with no MVPs or FMVPs himself?

I'm sorry, I don't see it.

[I<3NBA]

I have no idea how you escape bans but keep up the good fight. :oldlol:
i started clicking ads. that's the secret.

[sportjames23]

Bran needs more help:oldlol:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[LeBron 06]

What could have possibly happened that caused Durant in only 38 regular season games to be "ahead" of a back-to-back MVP/FMVP/Champion?

The only thing Durant is arguably "ahead" of right now is the MVP race... just like he was at this stage previous two seasons until Lebron turned it up.... and even if he eventually wins it while Lebron is around it wont matter if the same thing happens for Lebron/Durant in the post season again.... same way it didnt matter when Karl Malone / Charles Barkley won it over Michael Jordan....

Durant is great, but will forever be in Lebron's shadow until he officially "dethrones" him... and there is no better way to do that than the outcome of playoffs/finals... he has to do to Lebron what Lebron did to Kobe... just outbetter him in every category without question... performance on both ends, MVP while then most importantly become a Champion/FVMP.... only then could everybody (even the worst Kobe stans ever) call Lebron officially "best player in the NBA".....


This

[AnaheimLakers24]

I don't care much for LeBron or Durant, but until Durant can prove himself in the postseason he's not the best player in the league?

MVP of the regular season? Sure
uhh hes proved he can peform in the post season. his first finals appearance > any of lebrons

[Illuminati]

uhh hes proved he can peform in the post season. his first finals appearance > any of lebrons

:oldlol:

Another ripthekik alt. Get a life. LeBron's last two Finals >> Durant's. One of them won rings, the other didn't.

Didn't Durant average like 4 rpg and 2 apg :oldlol: One dimensional.

[Marchesk]

Another ripthekik alt. Get a life. LeBron's last two Finals >> Durant's. One of them won rings, the other didn't.

http://www.aarontorres-sports.com/images/stories/James_Harden.jpg

[Brokenbeat]

i started clicking ads. that's the secret.



:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


I wouldn't doubt that, tbh.

[Joe Anderson]

Last year Lebron was the best player in the league followed closely by Durant. This year Durant is now ahead of Lebron. Do you think Lebron feels embarrassed about this? And is there any chance he can reclaim his number 1 spot?
Call me when Durant can lead his team to a .500 record without Westbrook.:sleeping We need to stop overhyping Durant and his empty stats, especially since they don't lead to wins unless he has another top 5 player beside him. Hell, at this point Durant isn't even on Melo's level!

[russwest0]

Call me when Durant can lead his team to a .500 record without Westbrook.:sleeping We need to stop overhyping Durant and his empty stats, especially since they don't lead to wins unless he has another top 5 player beside him. Hell, at this point Durant isn't even on Melo's level!

That awkward moment when Durant and OKC are doing better without Westbrook than LeBron and Miami without Wade.

:eek: :eek:
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:roll: :roll:

[Joe Anderson]

uhh hes proved he can peform in the post season. his first finals appearance > any of lebrons
All I can remember is Durant's 4 straight late game choke jobs against Memphis last season. I thought he was supposed to be clutch. :confusedshrug:

[Black and White]

All I can remember is Durant's 4 straight late game choke jobs against Memphis last season. I thought he was supposed to be clutch. :confusedshrug:

He is clutch, you are letting one playoff series define him, a series where the defense was throwing everything at him, they knew he was basically the only option out there in late game situations, just stop :facepalm

[russwest0]

All I can remember is Durant's 4 straight late game choke jobs against Memphis last season. I thought he was supposed to be clutch. :confusedshrug:

:violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin:

[rlsmooth775]

Durant is becoming so overrated this year. Lebron was better even in his third season compared to durant

[BBallZen83]

:violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin:

Are those violins for Durant?

[Joe Anderson]

Durant is becoming so overrated this year. Lebron was better even in his third season compared to durant
Indeed, Durant is this generations TMAC! :lol Lots of points that don't lead to wins without a true alpha dog beside him.
Lebron at least has an excuse for struggling without Wade this year. Bron is tired from 3 straight trips to the finals, and he has the oldest supporting cast in the NBA. Durant is only 25 and has a bunch of young studs playing beside him every night! :biggums:

[Black and White]

Indeed, Durant is this generations TMAC! :lol Lots of points that don't lead to wins without a true alpha dog beside him.
Lebron at least has an excuse for struggling without Wade this year. Bron is tired from 3 straight trips to the finals, and he has the oldest supporting cast in the NBA. Durant is only 25 and has a bunch of young studs playing beside him every night! :biggums:

Perkins? Fisher?

[GOATbe]

He never was the best player in the league.:confusedshrug:

[rlsmooth775]

He never was the best player in the league.:confusedshrug:

who kobe?

[NumberSix]

Last year Lebron was the best player in the league followed closely by Durant. This year Durant is now ahead of Lebron. Do you think Lebron feels embarrassed about this? And is there any chance he can reclaim his number 1 spot?
Not close at all really. It was a lot closer the season before. Last season, Durant didn't get a single MVP vote.

[Black and White]

Not close at all really. It was a lot closer the season before. Last season, Durant didn't get a single MVP vote.

I remember Melo got a vote :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

How good would the Heat be with Durant instead of Lebron? Would KD put them over Milwaukee?

[GOATbe]

who kobe?
Kobe was the best until he got injured. Now he's lent the torch to Durant until he comes back.

[Joe Anderson]

Perkins? Fisher?
No, Ibaka, Jackson, and Lamb. Of course you try and name the only 2 old guys on their team. :rolleyes:
Meanwhile, Lebron has to carry a 38 year old Ray Allen, 35 year old Birdman, and 34 year old Rashard Lewis. I bet Bron would give anything to have some young legs around him like Durant does.

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe was the best until he got injured. Now he's lent the torch to Durant until he comes back.

Someone who misses most of his shot attempts was the best player in the league

[Black and White]

No, Ibaka, Jackson, and Lamb. Of course you try and name the only 2 old guys on their team. :rolleyes:
Meanwhile, Lebron has to carry a 38 year old Ray Allen, 35 year old Birdman, and 34 year old Rashard Lewis. I bet Bron would give anything to have some young legs around him like Durant does.

Durant has been playing without Westbrook and Ibaka for some games..... Ray Allen is still a servicable player who saved LeBrons ass in the finals, give him some more credit.

LeBrons team has some super talented players, Bosh outplayed LeBron yesterday, Wade also outplays LeBron time to time.

[LeBron 06]

Durant has been playing without Westbrook and Ibaka for some games..... Ray Allen is still a servicable player who saved LeBrons ass in the finals, give him some more credit.

LeBrons team has some super talented players, Bosh outplayed LeBron yesterday, Wade also outplays LeBron time to time.


Right now Ray Allen is in a big slump(8 on 45 in the last 7 games)

[russwest0]

Durant has been playing without Westbrook and Ibaka for some games..... Ray Allen is still a servicable player who saved LeBrons ass in the finals, give him some more credit.

LeBrons team has some super talented players, Bosh outplayed LeBron yesterday, Wade also outplays LeBron time to time.

:lol Understatement of the century

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2011_finals.html

[Black and White]

Right now Ray Allen is in a big slump(8 on 45 in the last 7 games)

He will pick it up, it happens with shooters, its happened to him before, don't give up on him yet.

[LeBron 06]

He will pick it up, it happens with shooters, its happened to him before, don't give up on him yet.


agree

[Black and White]

:lol Understatement of the century

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2011_finals.html

I was talking about this season, but if you include the last few seasons then yea, Wade would regularly carry the team

[Fresh Kid]

Lebron iz not tha best player.

[Joe Anderson]

Durant has been playing without Westbrook and Ibaka for some games..... Ray Allen is still a servicable player who saved LeBrons ass in the finals, give him some more credit.

LeBrons team has some super talented players, Bosh outplayed LeBron yesterday, Wade also outplays LeBron time to time.
Have you watched Ray Allen play over the last few weeks? Dude has been hot garbage! :facepalm If I were Spo I would consider taking him out of the rotation for a while. Ray is the greatest 3 point shooter ever, but at some point everyone gets old. As for Bosh, that guy will have 1 great game and follow it up with 9 bad ones. Sorry, but a 100 million dollar man should be a little more consistent don't you think? Wade has been great this year and seems to have improved his jumper A LOT, but I'm not certain he won't be back to last years playoff form, which was cringworthy.

[Shade8780]

http://www.aarontorres-sports.com/images/stories/James_Harden.jpg
It's starting to look weird seeing Harden in a Thunder jersey, strangely enough.

[Joe Anderson]

I was talking about this season, but if you include the last few seasons then yea, Wade would regularly carry the team
Kind of hard to regularly carry the team when you miss a third of the teams games. :no:

[Black and White]

Have you watched Ray Allen play over the last few weeks? Dude has been hot garbage! :facepalm If I were Spo I would consider taking him out of the rotation for a while. Ray is the greatest 3 point shooter ever, but at some point everyone gets old. As for Bosh, that guy will have 1 great game and follow it up with 9 bad ones. Sorry, but a 100 million dollar man should be a little more consistent don't you think? Wade has been great this year and seems to have improved his jumper A LOT, but I'm not certain he won't be back to last years playoff form, which was cringworthy.

In regards to Ray see above ^^^^^

Bosh is inconsistent yes, but even on off nights I have seen him make huge shots to change the momentum.

[Black and White]

Kind of hard to regularly carry the team when you miss a third of the teams games. :no:

You didn't read what I was responding to did you?

[ArbitraryWater]

Bran needs more help:oldlol:

Ever since 2012, do 70% of your posts consist of "LeBron needs more help" ?:wtf:

[Boarder Patrol]

KD is inarguably better this year. LeBron, if motivated, could reclaim #1 though.

[swagga]

KD is inarguably better this year. LeBron, if motivated, could reclaim #1 though.

son where your at? :biggums:
KD only a stick living at the line who if not protected would get bullied 24/7. His game is the rip-through step-into free-throw chucker, he shattering records at the ft line this year like it mean none. With the treatment he getting ain't nobody have no chance to fairly guard him.

Soft league tbh, even dem scrubby euros play harder these days :facepalm

[20Four]

son where your at? :biggums:
KD only a stick living at the line who if not protected would get bullied 24/7. His game is the rip-through step-into free-throw chucker, he shattering records at the ft line this year like it mean none. With the treatment he getting ain't nobody have no chance to fairly guard him.

Soft league tbh, even dem scrubby euros play harder these days :facepalm



Your name alone cracks me up....lmao this foo talkin bout swag..lmao GTFO

[Milbuck]

It's all downhill from here. He's already coughed up #1 to Giannis and slipped to #3 behind KD. It's only a matter of time before BKnight overtakes him.

[knicksman]

LOL at people clinging on his back 2 back fmvps as if they were not cheated. At the end of the day. Lebron would be still be ringless while durant 1 if not for cheating

[veilside23]

Have you watched Ray Allen play over the last few weeks? Dude has been hot garbage! :facepalm If I were Spo I would consider taking him out of the rotation for a while. Ray is the greatest 3 point shooter ever, but at some point everyone gets old. As for Bosh, that guy will have 1 great game and follow it up with 9 bad ones. Sorry, but a 100 million dollar man should be a little more consistent don't you think? Wade has been great this year and seems to have improved his jumper A LOT, but I'm not certain he won't be back to last years playoff form, which was cringworthy.


ok GM waive him already if allen is no use.. :rolleyes:

Its still close but kd is proving his worth

[Angel Face]

No! LeBron is not aging well, and lacks go to moves. In a matter of years, 1 or 2 maybe, Norris Cole would take over as the face of Miami Heat.

[knicksman]

No! LeBron is not aging well, and lacks go to moves. In a matter of years, 1 or 2 maybe, Norris Cole would take over as the face of Miami Heat.

he too is doing all instead of trusting his teammates because of stats

[Joe Anderson]

ok GM waive him already if allen is no use.. :rolleyes:

Its still close but kd is proving his worth
What did I say that was incorrect? Why is it a crime for anyone to criticize a teammate of Lebron's who is playing bad? :facepalm
As I said, everyone gets old. Do you honestly think players retire because they get tired of playing the game? News flash, they don't. Players retire because one day they realize they just don't have it anymore, and Ray is VERY close to that point if he isn't there already. Ray is bricking WIDE OPEN 3's, and badly too. If he can't hit shots what good is he? :confusedshrug:

[Black and White]

What did I say that was incorrect? Why is it a crime for anyone to criticize a teammate of Lebron's who is playing bad? :facepalm
As I said, everyone gets old. Do you honestly think players retire because they get tired of playing the game? News flash, they don't. Players retire because one day they realize they just don't have it anymore, and Ray is VERY close to that point if he isn't there already. Ray is bricking WIDE OPEN 3's, and badly too. If he can't hit shots what good is he? :confusedshrug:

Jordan???

[brooklynsfinest]

Lebron needs to be the best player first before he gets it back.

[Joe Anderson]

Jordan???
Jordan came back, bad example. :lol In the end Jordan too wound up sticking around longer than fans wanted him too (See his Wizards years)
No player has ever permanently walked away from basketball while still being a good player, they all walk away when they become mediocre or bad players.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that Ray Allen is losing it? Everyone does, especially when they get around Allen's age. :(

[chazzy]

then most importantly become a Champion/FVMP....
But I thought that's a "team accomplishment" pauk!

[Mr. Jabbar]

imo the torch has never been passed to lebron yet, he may be the "best player" but when the game is on the line he just relies on epic teammates, lots of players injured too. hes lacking that 1 playoff run that will catapult him without so much help, i think kobe may decide to pass this torch this year or next one, we'll have to see, until then, stay tuned for more nba games :cheers:

[Black and White]

Jordan came back, bad example. :lol In the end Jordan too wound up sticking around longer than fans wanted him too (See his Wizards years)
No player has ever permanently walked away from basketball while still being a good player, they all walk away when they become mediocre or bad players.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that Ray Allen is losing it? Everyone does, especially when they get around Allen's age. :(

Allen will get it back, as I said, it's happened before, watch, he will bail LeBron out again

[Joe Anderson]

Allen will get it back, as I said, it's happened before, watch, he will bail LeBron out again
I hope so :lol Lebron needs his Robert Horry's and Steve Kerr's to come up big in the playoffs.

[Black and White]

I hope so :lol Lebron needs his Robert Horry's and Steve Kerr's to come up big in the playoffs.

Shooters slump, it happens to the best of them

[veilside23]

What did I say that was incorrect? Why is it a crime for anyone to criticize a teammate of Lebron's who is playing bad? :facepalm
As I said, everyone gets old. Do you honestly think players retire because they get tired of playing the game? News flash, they don't. Players retire because one day they realize they just don't have it anymore, and Ray is VERY close to that point if he isn't there already. Ray is bricking WIDE OPEN 3's, and badly too. If he can't hit shots what good is he? :confusedshrug:


the fact is allen has saved lebron despite shooting badly.. thats his use like big shot rob . he wasnt defending well anymore he wasnt athletic anymore but if his teammates bricks the shot .. ray allen is there to save them... how can you ever forget that it happened and it can happen again because %

[red1]

imo the torch has never been passed to lebron yet, he may be the "best player" but when the game is on the line he just relies on epic teammates, lots of players injured too. hes lacking that 1 playoff run that will catapult him without so much help, i think kobe may decide to pass this torch this year or next one, we'll have to see, until then, stay tuned for more nba games :cheers:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9C7FUAP9HA

more clutch than kobe's entire career :lol

[kamil]

I don't care much for LeBron or Durant, but until Durant can prove himself in the postseason he's not the best player in the league?

MVP of the regular season? Sure

Is a Finals appearance not good enough?

[kamil]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9C7FUAP9HA

more clutch than kobe's entire career :lol

Clutch should be and is pretty much always a term for when your DOWN by points. This just goes to backup Skip Bayless' point on LeBron* being awesome in garbage time... when they've already got the lead.

Poor example.

[Prometheus]

imo the torch has never been passed to lebron yet, he may be the "best player" but when the game is on the line he just relies on epic teammates, lots of players injured too. hes lacking that 1 playoff run that will catapult him without so much help, i think kobe may decide to pass this torch this year or next one, we'll have to see, until then, stay tuned for more nba games :cheers:

in this strange little private fantasy world in which you live, do they sell nba jerseys?

[red1]

Clutch should be and is pretty much always a term for when your DOWN by points. This just goes to backup Skip Bayless' point on LeBron* being awesome in garbage time... when they've already got the lead.

Poor example.
the dagger that turned it from a one possession game into a two possession game effectively deciding the series isn't considered clutch :lol you are just clutching at straws at this point

[Joe Anderson]

Clutch should be and is pretty much always a term for when your DOWN by points. This just goes to backup Skip Bayless' point on LeBron* being awesome in garbage time... when they've already got the lead.

Poor example.
You just lost all credibility by mentioning Skip Bayless. :sleeping

[Leftimage]

Last year Lebron was the best player in the league followed closely by Durant. This year Durant is now ahead of Lebron. Do you think Lebron feels embarrassed about this? And is there any chance he can reclaim his number 1 spot?

You don't necessarily play the same way when you're coming off two consecutive chips/MVP/FMVP's. Lebron is coasting in a way Durant cannot allow himself to do at this point in his career (early prime; few achievements).

Make no mistake, Lebron is better and will remain so until Durant has proven otherwise (won a championship).

In any case, a .5 PER advantage isn't exactly resounding evidence of being better. Obviously there is some eye testing that needs to be done.

[KirbyPls]

the dagger that turned it from a one possession game into a two possession game effectively deciding the series isn't considered clutch :lol you are just clutching at straws at this point

:applause:

Come on Red1, clutch is shooting 6 for 24 in the biggest game of your career, shooting 10 free throws in the fourth; having your teammates shoot an additional 10 in the fourth and having Ron Ron bust a three to win the game. That is clutch!!!! :bowdown:

[Cold soul]

imo the torch has never been passed to lebron yet, he may be the "best player" but when the game is on the line he just relies on epic teammates, lots of players injured too. hes lacking that 1 playoff run that will catapult him without so much help, i think kobe may decide to pass this torch this year or next one, we'll have to see, until then, stay tuned for more nba games :cheers:

As munch as it pains me to say Lebron took the torch in 2010 from Kobe and has ran with it.

[GOATbe]

As munch as it pains me to say Lebron took the torch in 2010 from Kobe and has ran with it.
:lol

[red1]

:applause:

Come on Red1, clutch is shooting 6 for 24 in the biggest game of your career, shooting 10 free throws in the fourth; having your teammates shoot an additional 10 in the fourth and having Ron Ron bust a three to win the game. That is clutch!!!! :bowdown:
I dont get it when ray allen's three is used as a knock. Derrick fisher been making clutch threes for kobe an entire decade and robert horry bailed shaq and kobe out as well. The fact that basketball is a team sport seems to escape some people

[Cold soul]

:lol

I'm a objective Kobe fan not a Kobe stan. Lol

I hate Lebron with a burning passion, but even I can not deny his greatness.

[GoranDragon]

No point "reclaiming" a title thats already his.

[Bandito]

I dont get it when ray allen's three is used as a knock. Derrick fisher been making clutch threes for kobe an entire decade and robert horry bailed shaq and kobe out as well. The fact that basketball is a team sport seems to escape some people
:applause:

My only knock on Lebron was that 2011 choke...

[Joyner82reload]

So by this prove it in the playoffs before he becomes the best player in the league logic..I'm assuming those of you pushing this also believed Kobe was still the best player in the league until the end of the 2012 season when LeBron won the title right? Because before that point, Durant has just as much success as LeBron in the playoffs.

[GoranDragon]

So by this prove it in the playoffs before he becomes the best player in the league logic..I'm assuming those of you pushing this also believed Kobe was still the best player in the league until the end of the 2012 season when LeBron won the title right? Because before that point, Durant has just as much success as LeBron in the playoffs.
Westbrook and Ibaka > Wade and Bosh

Durant had more help than Lebron, still lost in the finals to the better player King James.

How do you sleep at night knowing that?

[VIntageNOvel]

So by this prove it in the playoffs before he becomes the best player in the league logic..I'm assuming those of you pushing this also believed Kobe was still the best player in the league until the end of the 2012 season when LeBron won the title right? Because before that point, Durant has just as much success as LeBron in the playoffs.


true, by pauk's logic, yes

[VIntageNOvel]

i bet my left ball that at least one of lebron stan in this thread belong to either pauk/lebron23

[GoranDragon]

true, by everyone's logic, yes
Fixed.

[VIntageNOvel]

Fixed.

so by everyone's logic kobe was best player from 2008-2012 (until lebron proved it in post season):bowdown: ? okay i can live with that

[Joyner82reload]

Westbrook and Ibaka > Wade and Bosh

Durant had more help than Lebron, still lost in the finals to the better player King James.

How do you sleep at night knowing that?

LeBron's teammates averaged 73 ppg on 59.4% shooting in the Finals
Durant's teammates averaged 67 ppg on 50.2 TS% in the Finals

Clearly.

[DaSeba5]

MVP doesn't mean best player in the league. LeBron was the best player in the league when Rose won the MVP. Durant deserves the MVP, but I wouldn't take him over LeBron.

[GoranDragon]

LeBron's teammates averaged 73 ppg on 59.4% shooting in the Finals
Durant's teammates averaged 67 ppg on 50.2 TS% in the Finals

Clearly.
You're a stat whor

Lebron will be the reason Durant fades into obscurity 10 years from now.

[Joyner82reload]

You're a stat whor

Lebron will be the reason Durant fades into obscurity 10 years from now.

Hurr durr, Durant's teammates were better than LeBron's. Durant's teammates played like shit while LeBron's played at an all time level in those finals. Hurr durr you're a stat whore. Just stop, idiot

[Tking714]

Wait.. there was someone better than Lebron?

[GoranDragon]

Hurr durr, Durant's teammates were better than LeBron's. Durant's teammates played like shit while LeBron's played at an all time level in those finals. Hurr durr you're a stat whore. Just stop, idiot
You seem bitter. Must be years of repressed angry from seeing Lebron win 2 straight rings and FMVPs and 4 MVPs.

[Stringer Bell]

Come on now, who truly believes that Durant is better than Lebron?

Lebron is still the best player in the league.

[Mr Exlax]

Because LeBron is coasting, statistically he's not the best player in the NBA. He shouldn't be leading in MVP standings right now. I fully expect him to reclaim himself in the best in the NBA once the games matter aka the playoffs.

[riseagainst]

Durant is just playing on a whole another level above Lebron so far this year. It's just amazing.

[swagga]

Durant is just playing on a whole another level above Lebron so far this year. It's just amazing.

I too appreciate he's outplaying westbrook (injured) and is finally alone in the second tier. :applause:

[knicksman]

Because LeBron is coasting, statistically he's not the best player in the NBA. He shouldn't be leading in MVP standings right now. I fully expect him to reclaim himself in the best in the NBA once the games matter aka the playoffs.

only idiots believe hes coasting. He got embarrassed in washington. Plus youll have to sacrifice defense, rebounding and assists and shot attempts for that fg% of his

[ImKobe]

Durant is just playing on a whole another level above Lebron so far this year. It's just amazing.

Seriously. The dude has been dealt a medicore ass team with Westbrook being injured for the most part and he's averaging 30 ppg on 62,5% TS.

[riseagainst]

there is always an excuse for Lebron.

he can't win: scrub teammates

joins 2 superstars in their prime and still can't win, then barely pulls thru: scrub teammates

being surpassed by Durant: he's coasting

[ImKobe]

there is always an excuse for Lebron.

he can't win: scrub teammates

joins 2 superstars in their prime and still can't win, then barely pulls thru: scrub teammates

being surpassed by Durant: he's coasting

:applause:

loses in the playoffs this year: he's coasting

[knicksman]

honestly, lebron loves stats coz thats the only way he thinks he can beat jordan so theres no way hes coasting and the washington game prove that. He doesnt believe in his self to be able to produce at least 6 rings and so he goes the wilt route which is statpadding. And now they are fooled into believing hes a top 3 GOAT just like wilt.

[riseagainst]

I heard this somewhere:

"There are 3 kinds of lies. There are good lies; there are bad lies; and then there are stats."

very well said. :applause:

[moe94]

I heard this somewhere:

"There are 3 kinds of lies. There are good lies; there are bad lies; and then there are stats."

very well said. :applause:

Are you actually 10 years old? You just heard this? :roll:

[riseagainst]

Are you actually 10 years old? You just heard this? :roll:

Are you so mad that you can't read? Where did I ever say "just"?

:rolleyes:

[Mr Exlax]

only idiots believe hes coasting. He got embarrassed in washington. Plus youll have to sacrifice defense, rebounding and assists and shot attempts for that fg% of his

Only idiots don't believe he's coasting. If you are stupid enough to think this is gonna be the same LeBron come playoff time then I give up on you. Last seaon I felt he was looking ahead to the playoffs. This season if full coast mode.

Let me guess, you hate LeBron right?

[PJR]

LeBron never lost the spot. Just because Durant is putting up slightly better high volume numbers, while Lebron is playing a career low minutes, with a career low usage doesn't mean Durant is a better player.

Durant is playing great, and should be the front runner for MVP , but he still isn't better than LeBron. Troll harder.

[Mr Exlax]

LeBron never lost the spot. Just because Durant is putting up slightly better high volume numbers, while Lebron is playing a career low minutes, with a career low usage doesn't mean Durant is a better player.

Durant is playing great, and should be the front runner for MVP , but he still isn't better than LeBron. Troll harder.

He's simply playing better than LeBron right now though.

[knicksman]

Are you actually 10 years old? You just heard this? :roll:


moe94 IQ exposed:lol

[moe94]

Are you so mad that you can't read? Where did I ever say "just"?

:rolleyes:

Why the hell would you even bring it up as if it's new, exciting or clever? You thought you said some profound shit.

[knicksman]

Only idiots don't believe he's coasting. If you are stupid enough to think this is gonna be the same LeBron come playoff time then I give up on you. Last seaon I felt he was looking ahead to the playoffs. This season if full coast mode.

Let me guess, you hate LeBron right?

Maybe if you have an ounce of IQ, you would realize, in order to maintain that efficiency he has to play off the ball for easy fast break points(w/c means sacrificing assists and rebound) right? And the less shots you take, the higher the FG%

[Milbuck]

moe94 IQ exposed:lol

"exposed" and "ether" are overused so badly on here

[Mr Exlax]

Maybe if you have an ounce of IQ, you would realize, in order to maintain that efficiency he has to play off the ball for easy fast break points(w/c means sacrificing assists and rebound) right? And the less shots you take, the higher the FG%

Where did I say anything about is efficiency you moron? Where did I say anything about his numbers period? Can you comprehend my man?

[moe94]

"exposed" and "ether" are overused so badly on here

He has a case for worst user on ISH. Seriously. Take that in. He's salty I always laugh at his shit tier trolling.

[knicksman]

Where did I say anything about is efficiency you moron? Where did I say anything about his numbers period? Can you comprehend my man?

because you believed hes coasting when hes really just after efficiency.

[russwest0]

Only idiots don't believe he's coasting. If you are stupid enough to think this is gonna be the same LeBron come playoff time then I give up on you. Last seaon I felt he was looking ahead to the playoffs. This season if full coast mode.

Let me guess, you hate LeBron right?

Shoots 57% in reg season, 48% in playoffs :oldlol:

[moe94]

Shoots 57% in reg season, 48% in playoffs :oldlol:

Which is still better than both Durant and Kobe.

[Prometheus]

Shoots 57% in reg season, 48% in playoffs :oldlol:

48% in the playoffs is not a bad statistic at all. I don't understand why you act like this is so embarrassing.

[knicksman]

Shoots 57% in reg season, 48% in playoffs :oldlol:

+12.6 on +/- in the RS 3.7 in the playoffs:lol

[riseagainst]

Shoots 57% in reg season, 48% in playoffs :oldlol:

:roll:

coasting in the regular, but... turns it up in the playoffs??

:wtf:

:roll: :roll:

[moe94]

48% in the playoffs is not a bad statistic at all. I don't understand why you act like this is so embarrassing.

He's grasping while indirectly dissing his two boys. The irony gets me off.

[knicksman]

48% in the playoffs is not a bad statistic at all. I don't understand why you act like this is so embarrassing.

except if you paired it with 22.3 ppg:lol

[Mr Exlax]

Shoots 57% in reg season, 48% in playoffs :oldlol:

So because his FG% goes down when the defense gets better, that's supposed to be a bad thing?

[Heavincent]

48% in the playoffs is not a bad statistic at all. I don't understand why you act like this is so embarrassing.

It's not obviously. It just shows that his regular season FG% has been inflated these last few years.

[knicksman]

So because his FG% goes down when the defense gets better, that's supposed to be a bad thing?

except that hes given wide open space to shoot:lol

[Prometheus]

except if you paired it with 22.3 ppg:lol

I forgot that LeBron averaged 22.3 points in the playoffs, since it didn't happen

[riseagainst]

I forgot that LeBron averaged 22.3 points in the playoffs, since it didn't happen

23.7 ppg on 46% FG. Pick your poison.

[knicksman]

I forgot that LeBron averaged 22.3 points in the playoffs, since it didn't happen

per 36

[aj1987]

23.7 ppg on 46% FG. Pick your poison.
Where the heck are you getting your stats from? Lebron averages 28.1 on 47% in the playoffs. 57% TS.

[JebronLames]

there is always an excuse for Lebron.

he can't win: scrub teammates

joins 2 superstars in their prime and still can't win, then barely pulls thru: scrub teammates

being surpassed by Durant: he's coasting
Haha this post makes me realize how devastated you must have been when lebron won last year.

This is similar to 2012. Everyone finding a reason to say durant is better. Lebron will show everyone in the playoffs.

[KirbyPls]

Which is still better than both Durant and Kobe.

Boom goes the dynamite!

[Megabox!]

23.7 ppg on 46% FG. Pick your poison.
........ummm wat

[Mr Exlax]

To be fair guys LeBron isn't playing like the best player in the NBA. We all agree that he's coasting though. Right now KD is playing like the best player in the NBA.