Who thinks Dwight Howard is a Top 5 player this season?

[branslowski]

Besides Rocket fans and YGS?...How in the hell is he top 5? Please just explain this to me rationally. I mean, which one of these players has he been better than this season? (In no order)

Durant? Hell no
LeBron? No
CP3?No
LMA?No
Blake?No
Paul George?No
Davis?No
Harden?Debatable
Love? Hell No
Curry?No
Melo? No

Like 10 players right there who has been better, how he definite top 5?:biggums:

[Genaro]

His mom probably.

[bmd]

Who said he was top 5? Sounds like a straw-man argument to me.

[AnaheimLakers24]

isnt in the lime light no more so no one cares about him

[Mr. Jabbar]

close family members (dad,mom,brothers) have him at top 5, 2nd tier relatives (uncles, cousins, grandpas) have him at top 10, houston fans have him at top 15-20, basketball fans have him at top 25-30 at best.

[Cold soul]

Nope, Howard not top 5 player this year, but top 10 sure.

[branslowski]

close family members (dad,mom,brothers) have him at top 5, 2nd tier relatives (uncles, cousins, grandpas) have him at top 10, houston fans have him at top 15-20, basketball fans have him at top 25-30 at best.

I think he's Top 25 honestly, your underrating him here.

[ImKobe]

Who said he was top 5? Sounds like a straw-man argument to me.

some stupid f@ggot at a Kobe thread

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Who's a better centre?

[Mr. Jabbar]

I think he's Top 25 honestly, your underrating him here.

top 25 is within an acceptable range

[AnaheimLakers24]

Who's a better centre?
not about being the best center. they are talking about top 5 in general. also being the best center isnt nothing to brag about in this league.

[ImKobe]

Who's a better centre?

who cares? The Center position has been weak for a long ass while now :oldlol:, if averaging 18 and 12 puts you at top 5, then the league must REALLY suck today,

[Ratnik]

Who's a better centre?
Boogie

[Mr. Jabbar]

Who's a better centre?

Barg
Marc Gasol
Chandler
Horford
Monroe
Cousins

theres plently of centers better than him or at least arguably better than him in a terrible era of centers, thats all we need to know

[All Net]

davis is getting overrated now...can argue he is top 10.

sadly this thread is getting filled with bitter kobe fanboys.

[bmd]

who cares? The Center position has been weak for a long ass while now :oldlol:, if averaging 18 and 12 puts you at top 5, then the league must REALLY suck today,Let's compare Dwight's numbers to both centers AND power forwards.

Dwight averages 18.3 points and 12.7 rebounds.


How many centers average 18.3 points or more? One. DeMarcus Cousins averages 23.4 points.

How many PF's average 18.3 points or more? 5. Love, Aldridge, Griffin, Nowitzki, David Lee.


How many centers average 12.7 rebounds or more? One. DeAndre Jordan averages 13.4.

How many PF's average 12.7 rebounds or more? One. Kevin Love at 13.0 rebounds.


Now, let's put it all together. How many centers AND power forwards average at least 18.3 points AND 12.7 rebounds?

The answer: One. Kevin Love is the only one averaging 25.6 points and 13.0 rebounds.

[mr.big35]

His a top 20 player. he still cant make free throws and got no post moves.

[ImKobe]

Let's compare Dwight's numbers to both centers AND power forwards.

Dwight averages 18.3 points and 12.7 rebounds.


How many centers average 18.3 points or more? One. DeMarcus Cousins averages 23.4 points.

How many PF's average 18.3 points or more? 5. Love, Aldridge, Griffin, Nowitzki, David Lee.


How many centers average 12.7 rebounds or more? One. DeAndre Jordan averages 13.4.

How many PF's average 12.7 rebounds or more? One. Kevin Love at 13.0 rebounds.


Now, let's put it all together. How many centers AND power forwards average at least 18.3 points AND 12.7 rebounds?

The answer: One. Kevin Love is the only one averaging 25.6 points and 13.0 rebounds.

This is about being a TOP 5 PLAYER, not TOP 5 CENTER or big man. :coleman:

Lebron
KD
CP3
George
Curry

Is D12 better than the players I listed?

[Milbuck]

He's about as top 5 as Caron Butler is. He's not.

[bmd]

This is about being a TOP 5 PLAYER, not TOP 5 CENTER or big man. :coleman:

Lebron
KD
CP3
George
Curry

Is D12 better than the players I listed?I was responding to you saying the center position sucks.

So I compared him to all big men instead of just centers.

But anyway, you have Curry on your list. He's only averaging 5 more points than Dwight and doesn't play nearly the defense Dwight does. Dwight's presence on the defensive end of the floor more than makes up for those 5 points.

It seems like people completely forget about defense when talking about Dwight.


And if you compare them on a per 36 minute basis, Dwight scores 19.1 points compared to Curry's 21.9, and Dwight's rebounds go up to 13.4 compared to Curry's assists dropping to 8.8.

Dwight also has a higher TS% and PER.



One last point...

Dwight's numbers this year are virtually identical to what his numbers were in 2011-2012 with Orlando. And Dwight finished 7th in MVP voting that year. His numbers are also similar to his numbers in 2008-2009, which he finished 4th in MVP voting.

[boozehound]

Let's compare Dwight's numbers to both centers AND power forwards.

Dwight averages 18.3 points and 12.7 rebounds.


How many centers average 18.3 points or more? One. DeMarcus Cousins averages 23.4 points.

How many PF's average 18.3 points or more? 5. Love, Aldridge, Griffin, Nowitzki, David Lee.


How many centers average 12.7 rebounds or more? One. DeAndre Jordan averages 13.4.

How many PF's average 12.7 rebounds or more? One. Kevin Love at 13.0 rebounds.


Now, let's put it all together. How many centers AND power forwards average at least 18.3 points AND 12.7 rebounds?

The answer: One. Kevin Love is the only one averaging 25.6 points and 13.0 rebounds.
Drummond is also averaging 12.7

[215Philly]

Barg
Marc Gasol
Chandler
Horford
Monroe
Cousins

theres plently of centers better than him or at least arguably better than him in a terrible era of centers, thats all we need to know
Wasn't saying that when he joined the Lakers :rolleyes:

[Nick Young]

Who's a better centre?
All of these guys, atleast:

Anthony Davis
Andrew Bogut
Demarcus Cousins
Roy Hibbert
Tyson Chandler
Al Horford
Greg Monroe
Marc Gasol
Tim Duncan
Nikola Vusevic
Al Jefferson
Nikola Pekovic
Joachim Noah

[Black and White]

Nobody should have Dwight as a top 5 player, he isn't even top 10.

[bmd]

Drummond is also averaging 12.7Good catch. I specifically remember that when I was looking up the stats, but for some reason I was thinking I said "who is averaging MORE than 12.7" instead of "averaging 12.7 OR more".

[KungFuJoe]

He won't be close to top 5 until he can become more dominant in the 4th quarter. I know some of that lies on Harden going full on ISO hero ball, but if he wants to be the man, he has to DEMAND the ball late in the game.

And then, once he gets the ball, he needs to quit getting stripped.

[branslowski]

I was responding to you saying the center position sucks.

So I compared him to all big men instead of just centers.

But anyway, you have Curry on your list. He's only averaging 5 more points than Dwight and doesn't play nearly the defense Dwight does. Dwight's presence on the defensive end of the floor more than makes up for those 5 points.

It seems like people completely forget about defense when talking about Dwight.


And if you compare them on a per 36 minute basis, Dwight scores 19.1 points compared to Curry's 21.9, and Dwight's rebounds go up to 13.4 compared to Curry's assists dropping to 8.8.

Dwight also has a higher TS% and PER.



One last point...

Dwight's numbers this year are virtually identical to what his numbers were in 2011-2012 with Orlando. And Dwight finished 7th in MVP voting that year. His numbers are also similar to his numbers in 2008-2009, which he finished 4th in MVP voting.

Soo...Do you think Dwight is top 5 player? Just seems like you proppin Dwight just to prop him, yet have no conclusional argument that states the validation of Dwight being a TOP 5 PLAYER.

But you must not be arguing for his top 5 placement, because you used PER to prove he's ahead of Curry wen in Essence his PER isn't even top 15 in the league.

[ArbitraryWater]

brans wtf is this??

Durant and LeBron no, Paul arguable. After that, EASILY TOP 4.

Read some threads on this topic on other boards, most have a consensus top 4 of lebron/durant/paul/howard, of course the kobetard filled ISH differs...

BWAHAH Blake over Howard :facepalm
Davis smh

[Black and White]

brans wtf is this??

Durant and LeBron no, Paul arguable. After that, EASILY TOP 4.

Read some threads on this topic on other boards, most have a consensus top 4 of lebron/durant/paul/howard, of course the kobetard filled ISH differs...

BWAHAH Blake over Howard :facepalm
Davis smh

Lol Dwight is not a top 5 player, deal with it.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Hopefully noone :biggums: the top 5 is locked

KD
CP3
George
LMA
Lebron

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol Dwight is not a top 5 player, deal with it.

DPOY Type Player, 18/13 on great efficiency with 58% and a refined post game.

What is not top 5 about him?
Is it Blake's, um, what is it making Blake better?
Curry's assists give him the edge?
Davis'? -.-

Please, tell me who makes the top 5 over dwight outside of the first 3 mentioned.

[Black and White]

DPOY Type Player, 18/13 on great efficiency with 58% and a refined post game.

What is not top 5 about him?
Is it Blake's, um, what is it making Blake better?
Curry's assists give him the edge?
Davis'? -.-

Please, tell me who makes the top 5 over dwight outside of the first 3 mentioned.

He is not top 5 because of these guys:

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Chris Paul
Paul George
LaMarcus Aldridge

[AirMike]

Top 5 center...yes
Top 5 player...no

[KyrieTheFuture]

DPOY Type Player, 18/13 on great efficiency with 58% and a refined post game.

What is not top 5 about him?
Is it Blake's, um, what is it making Blake better?
Curry's assists give him the edge?
Davis'? -.-

Please, tell me who makes the top 5 over dwight outside of the first 3 mentioned.
He's not a DPOY this year though, he's been less than spectacular.

[Jameerthefear]

he's better than kobe thats for sure

[ArbitraryWater]

He is not top 5 because of these guys:

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Chris Paul
Paul George
LaMarcus Aldridge

Hey, naming Paul George and LaMarcus Aldridge. How sweet.

Now could you actually make your damn argument you worthless poster?

[Black and White]

Hey, naming Paul George and LaMarcus Aldridge. How sweet.

Now could you actually make your damn argument you worthless poster?

What happened when LaMarcus and Dwight played against each other this season?

[Black and White]

he's better than kobe thats for sure

Agreed, by default though, have to wait to see what happens when he gets back

[ArbitraryWater]

What happened when LaMarcus and Dwight played against each other this season?


Is that it?? That's your case? LMFAO ok im done here

[215Philly]

he's better than kobe thats for sure
That's not saying much :(

[Black and White]

Is that it?? That's your case? LMFAO ok im done here

No, first of all, it goes beyond stats, every rational poster here know LMA is playing better than Dwight this season

This season he is averaging 23.8/11.2/2.9 on 47%

Dwight Howard: 18.1/12.7/1.8 on 58% shooting


How many beast games has he had this season???

[dabigbaws]

dwight > curry

[Jameerthefear]

better than melo and curry and davis and arguably lma and harden

[TheReal Kendall]

better than melo and curry and davis and arguably lma and harden

:roll:

[Jameerthefear]

:roll:
good argument. would read again

[Black and White]

better than melo and curry and davis and arguably lma and harden

How is that arguable???

[TheReal Kendall]

good argument. would read again

You're talking out your ass Jameer

[Jameerthefear]

How is that arguable???
Better defender, rebounder. Basically when Dwight is at his best he makes more of an impact on the game.

[Jameerthefear]

You're talking out your ass Jameer
good argument. would read again

[Black and White]

Better defender, rebounder. Basically when Dwight is at his best he makes more of an impact on the game.

2 things? Team record for the trailblazers suggest that LMA impacts the game more

[MidRange]

From what I've seen of ESPN highlights this year, Dwight has looked pretty impressive.

[Jameerthefear]

2 things? Team record for the trailblazers suggest that LMA impacts the game more
No it doesn't. We're comparing individual players, not teams. Not to mention Houston has had tons of injuries in general.

[TheReal Kendall]

good argument. would read again

Basketball is much more than just defense and rebounding.

Those guys you named have a greater impact than Howard not to mention he can't even be on the court in close game situations so that negates his 2 positives

[Jameerthefear]

Basketball is much more than just defense and rebounding.

Those guys you named have a greater impact than Howard not to mention he can't even be on the court in close game situations so that negates his 2 positives
"I don't watch Houston games"
They have him on the court all the time during close games.

[Black and White]

No it doesn't. We're comparing individual players, not teams. Not to mention Houston has had tons of injuries in general.

Meh, I disagree, LMA is the clear cut best big this year, better post game, better shooting ability, and the rebounding difference between them isn't huge. LMA is a much much much better offensive player than Dwight.

[Jameerthefear]

Meh, I disagree, LMA is the clear cut best big this year, better post game, better shooting ability, and the rebounding difference between them isn't huge. LMA is a much much much better offensive player than Dwight.
Yet he's shooting 47% from the field. While Dwight is shooting 58%. Effectiveness>>>>>>>pretty post moves.

[TheReal Kendall]

Meh, I disagree, LMA is the clear cut best big this year, better post game, better shooting ability, and the rebounding difference between them isn't huge. LMA is a much much much better offensive player than Dwight.

All of those players he named are better offensively and are capable of taking over games unlike Howard


"I don't watch Houston games"
They have him on the court all the time during close games.

He can't shoot free throws

[Black and White]

Yet he's shooting 47% from the field. While Dwight is shooting 58%. Effectiveness>>>>>>>pretty post moves.

How many of Dwights points are from putback dunks and alley-oops?? That dude isn't anything special on offense, get your head out of your ass

[Jameerthefear]

All of those players he named are better offensively and are capable of taking over games unlike Howard



He can't shoot free throws
Dwight has taken over multiple games. Again, you don't watch Houston.

How many of Dwights points are from putback dunks and alley-oops?? That dude isn't anything special on offense, get your head out of your ass
2 points is 2 points. When Dwight is sitting there getting ****ing layups and slams your defense HAS to change. He changes the way the defense plays when he is scoring. Which opens up Houston's offense so much. That is impact.

[CelticBaller]

He can't shoot free throws
That's like expected from a Center.

Yeah he's a top 5 player.

[Andrei89]

Diod Mr. Jabbar just say that Bargnani is a better player this season than Howard?

WoooooooW

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[brantonli]

2 things? Team record for the trailblazers suggest that LMA impacts the game more

Don't you realise one of the things you just disregarded was defence? You know, like 50% of basketball?

Obviously Aldridge is better than Howard offensively, Howard's post play and shooting touch still sucks. Heck I'm pretty sure Terrence Jones's post play is better than Howard.

But Howard pretty much carries the Rockets defensively and helps erase defensive mistakes/intimidate opponents not to even try and score when he's around.

I've got to watch more Portland games before I can say who is better, Dwight or Lamarcus, but I don't think the gap is as huge as you're making it out to be.

AS for top 5, players I would definitely pick over Howard:

LeBron
Durant
Chris Paul (maybe?)
Paul George

Everybody else it would be a toss up.

[TheReal Kendall]

That's like expected from a Center.

Yeah he's a top 5 player.

Being able to score in the post is expected too.

He's not top 5 maybe top 10-15

[CelticBaller]

Being able to score in the post is expected too.

You say that like he can't. Like 90% of his points come in the paint :coleman:

[Nick Young]

Diod Mr. Jabbar just say that Bargnani is a better player this season than Howard?

WoooooooW

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Well head to head Bargnani always shits on Howard, and Bargnani's opponents STATISTICALLY have a higher shooting percentage against Bargs then they do against Howard, which means Bargs is a better defender too.

So head to head, and defensive stats say yes.

[Black and White]

Don't you realise one of the things you just disregarded was defence? You know, like 50% of basketball?

Obviously Aldridge is better than Howard offensively, Howard's post play and shooting touch still sucks. Heck I'm pretty sure Terrence Jones's post play is better than Howard.

But Howard pretty much carries the Rockets defensively and helps erase defensive mistakes/intimidate opponents not to even try and score when he's around.

I've got to watch more Portland games before I can say who is better, Dwight of Lamarcus, but I don't think the gap is as huge as you're making it out to be.

AS for top 5, players I would definitely pick over Howard:

LeBron
Durant
Chris Paul (maybe?)
Paul George

Everybody else it would be a toss up.

LMA is much more polished offensively than Howard, but I am not going to disregard him as an elite defender I give him that, Dwight sits in the top 7-10 somewhere for me, watch LaMarcus play, you will see that he is the better player this year.

[brantonli]

Being able to score in the post is expected too.

He's not top 5 maybe top 10-15

He can though. There aren't that many big men who can stop Howard any more. Sure his post game looks mechanical, VERY predicatble footwork (eg Duncan/Diaw could strip him of the ball so easily, anticipating Howard's next move because he has so little in his arsenal), and clunky, but you almost have ot foul him or he can score. Not as pretty as Aldridge or Jefferson, but he's not a Tyson chandler on offense.

[Nick Young]

Don't you realise one of the things you just disregarded was defence? You know, like 50% of basketball?

Obviously Aldridge is better than Howard offensively, Howard's post play and shooting touch still sucks. Heck I'm pretty sure Terrence Jones's post play is better than Howard.

But Howard pretty much carries the Rockets defensively and helps erase defensive mistakes/intimidate opponents not to even try and score when he's around.

I've got to watch more Portland games before I can say who is better, Dwight of Lamarcus, but I don't think the gap is as huge as you're making it out to be.

AS for top 5, players I would definitely pick over Howard:

LeBron
Durant
Chris Paul (maybe?)
Paul George

Everybody else it would be a toss up.
Then why do the Rockets have one of the leagues worst defenses?:confusedshrug:

Why do players shoot lower percentages vs Howard then they do against Andrea Bargnani?

[TheReal Kendall]

You say that like he can't. Like 90% of his points come in the paint :coleman:

My fault I forgot putbacks and oops was considered as post scoring

[Black and White]

2 points is 2 points. When Dwight is sitting there getting ****ing layups and slams your defense HAS to change. He changes the way the defense plays when he is scoring. Which opens up Houston's offense so much. That is impact.

Watch what happens in the playoffs

[STATUTORY]

Then why do the Rockets have one of the leagues worst defenses?:confusedshrug:

Why do players shoot lower percentages vs Howard then they do against Andrea Bargnani?
dwight howard anchoring dat d :roll: :roll:

[CelticBaller]

My fault I forgot putbacks and oops was considered as post scoring
Lol that's still scoring in the low post, Dwight Howard is putting 18 points a game and you're acting like he is useless. I'd tell you something, you know who was as clunky and robotic in the post? Shaq. A freak athlete using his genes to his advantages shouldn't be frowned upon. I'm sure he like Shaq will learn to adapt and develop a post game ( if not people can finally get off of shaq for being "lazy" and not working on his offensive game)

[Jameerthefear]

Watch what happens in the playoffs
wow this was such a dodge lol. i'm not arguing with the clown trolls above btw.

[Jameerthefear]

dwight could be better on defense btw. his mobility is down from orlando. he can't get to his sport as fast and switch onto guards on the pnr etc. anymore.

[Black and White]

wow this was such a dodge lol. i'm not arguing with the clown trolls above btw.

All good, you don't have to argue with them, I just think that come playoff time Howard is going to get exposed, a coach like Pop will put him in situations that force him to make plays, I don't know if he is going to be able to cope. He's playing great this year no doubt, but not better than LMA.

[branslowski]

better than melo and curry and davis and arguably lma and harden

Notsureifserious....Are you just posting this nonsense because you dislike me and ride YGS's dick non stop? Or are you serious?

[Black and White]

dwight could be better on defense btw. his mobility is down from orlando. he can't get to his sport as fast and switch onto guards on the pnr etc. anymore.

Is he still feeling it from his injury??? You never know

[Jameerthefear]

Notsureifserious....Are you just posting this nonsense because you dislike me and ride YGS's dick non stop? Or are you serious?
lol my opinion has nothing to do with ygs. well you do think kobe is better than lebron so no wonder your opinon sucks.

[TheReal Kendall]

Lol that's still scoring in the low post, Dwight Howard is putting 18 points a game and you're acting like he is useless. I'd tell you something, you know who was as clunky and robotic in the post? Shaq. A freak athlete using his genes to his advantages shouldn't be frowned upon. I'm sure he like Shaq will learn to adapt and develop a post game ( if not people can finally get off of shaq for being "lazy" and not working on his offensive game)

I didn't say he was useless but I don't thinks he's top 5 player in the league.

Maybe top 1-2 center but not top 5 player

Also along with Shaq's strength dude had post moves so let's not sell him short

[Jameerthefear]

seriously. you guys make so many assumptions about players you don't watch.

[Mr Exlax]

Dwight did say he's still not fully healed from the back surgery. He said some days are better than others and you can see it in his play. With all that said, no I don't think he's currently a top 5 player in the nba. I hope to see him return to that place soon. To be honest, I don't think anyone said he was a top 5 player right now. No regrets about the signing at all.

[Black and White]

Dwight did say he's still not fully healed from the back surgery. He said some days are better than others and you can see it in his play. With all that said, no I don't think he's currently a top 5 player in the nba. I hope to see him return to that place soon. To be honest, I don't think anyone said he was a top 5 player right now. No regrets about the signing at all.

One of the posters said he is the 4th best

[branslowski]

lol my opinion has nothing to do with ygs. well you do think kobe is better than lebron so no wonder your opinon sucks.

Ok...LMA is averaging better all round numbers, while leading his team to a better record, while also being ranked higher in MVP discussions than Dwight this season. His 4th quarter impact is also ahead of Dwights, he avgs more ppg and shoot better at the line. For you PER nerds he also has a higher PER than Dwight aswell.

LMA>>Howard

So far, we have Durant, LeBron, Cp3, and LMA factually better than Dwight, who's your next player you wanna debate?

[Black and White]

Ok...LMA is averaging better all round numbers, while leading his team to a better record, while also being ranked higher in MVP discussions than Dwight this season. His 4th quarter impact is also ahead of Dwights, he avgs more ppg and shoot better at the line. For you PER nerds he also has a higher PER than Dwight aswell.

LMA>>Howard

So far, we have Durant, LeBron, Cp3, and LMA factually better than Dwight, who's your next player you wanna debate?

Jameer said Griffin is also arguably top 5 :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

Ok...LMA is averaging better all round numbers, while leading his team to a better record,
Disregarded defense. Team record isn't big enough to be a factor in this once you consider all of Houston's injuries.


while also being ranked higher in MVP discussions than Dwight this season. His 4th quarter impact is also ahead of Dwights, he avgs more ppg and shoot better at the line.

LMA is ranked so high because of his team's record.
Agree with you about 4th q defense, but again you disregard defense (you probably don't understand what that is do you?)



LMA>>Howard

ur opinion still sucks. Lebron>>>Kobe

[TheReal Kendall]

:lol

When did you become a Lebron stan Jameer?

[oarabbus]

lol my opinion has nothing to do with ygs. well you do think kobe is better than lebron so no wonder your opinon sucks.


:wtf:

Wait, really? This year Bron vs This year Kobe you think Kobe is better Branslowski?

[Jameerthefear]

:lol

When did you become a Lebron stan Jameer?
not at all.

[branslowski]

Disregarded defense. Team record isn't big enough to be a factor in this once you consider all of Houston's injuries.


LMA is ranked so high because of his team's record.
Agree with you about 4th q defense, but again you disregard defense (you probably don't understand what that is do you?)


ur opinion still sucks. Lebron>>>Kobe

So you respond with excuses for injuries and then try to downplay LMA impact because more wins means "team" when in essence LMA's impact inside opening up the floor for Lillard and Batum exc actually leads to those wins you conveniently don't wanna give LMA any credit for. Fail.

I'm not disregarding defense, LMAs defense has been solid aswell...His team has been playing better consistant defense than Howard and company though. LMA's impact has clearly been greater, he's clearly been better kid.

We both also knew you lost this debate once you went for the hail mary troll post "LeBron>>>Kobe"...The statement had nothing to do with the debate, yet you panicked and went to troll mode because you know you are clearly wrong.

Jeff, where you find these lames? Can't even debate ball.:facepalm

[DatAsh]

Don't you realise one of the things you just disregarded was defence? You know, like 50% of basketball?


Defense is more important than offense at the center position. The opposite is true for guards.

[Jameerthefear]

So you respond with excuses for injuries and then try to downplay LMA impact because more wins means "team" when in essence LMA's impact inside opening up the floor for Lillard and Batum exc actually leads to those wins you conveniently don't wanna give LMA any credit for. Fail.

what? when did i downplay it? nice strawman. i said his MVP discussion was mostly because of wins from his team. which is 100% true. if he had the same record as the timberwolves and was playing this well still do you think he'd be that high? no.




I'm not disregarding defense, LMAs defense has been solid aswell...His team has been playing better consistant defense than Howard and company though. LMA's impact has clearly been greater, he's clearly been better kid.


do you still not understand team vs individual? i mean you even said it yourself but you still dont get it lol

[branslowski]

what? when did i downplay it? nice strawman. i said his MVP discussion was mostly because of wins from his team. which is 100% true. if he had the same record as the timberwolves and was playing this well still do you think he'd be that high? no.


do you still not understand team vs individual? i mean you even said it yourself but you still dont get it lol

:oldlol: Stupid child, you downplaying LMAs impact by saying "he's only ranked higher in MVP due to team success", yet, LMA's impact LEADS to that TEAM SUCCESS, ya understand?? LMAs play impacts his teams wins. In essence, everything I just said combined with the impact of LMA and his ranking aswell as numbers and metric numbers such as PER shows LMA is clearly better.

Your whole argument is injury excuses, downplaying LMA's impact, and LeBron>>>Kobe.:oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

:oldlol: Stupid child, you downplaying LMAs impact by saying "he's only ranked higher in MVP due to team success", yet, LMA's impact LEADS to that TEAM SUCCESS, ya understand?? LMAs play impacts his teams wins. In essence, everything I just said combined with the impact of LMA and his ranking aswell as numbers and metric numbers such as PER shows LMA is clearly better.

Your whole argument is injury excuses, downplaying LMA's impact, and LeBron>>>Kobe.:oldlol:
aldridge was about this good last year. averaging two more points and two more boards which is big, but his team is better this year (mainly the bench) and that is the biggest reason for their success.

[GoranDragon]

Best big man in the league. Will lead HOU to WCF at least.

[Legends66NBA7]

No, he's not Top 5. But he's probably Top 10-15 range. Better than some of the names posted up.

[Black and White]

Best big man in the league. Will lead HOU to WCF at least.

1st round exit......

[Nick Young]

DPOY Type Player, 18/13 on great efficiency with 58% and a refined post game.

What is not top 5 about him?
Is it Blake's, um, what is it making Blake better?
Curry's assists give him the edge?
Davis'? -.-

Please, tell me who makes the top 5 over dwight outside of the first 3 mentioned.
This season Andrea Bargnani has better defensive stats then Mr. DPOtY

[GoranDragon]

1st round exit......
Only team beating HOU in a series are the Spurs.

[DirkNowitzki41]

dwight > love

[Nick Young]

Lol that's still scoring in the low post, Dwight Howard is putting 18 points a game and you're acting like he is useless. I'd tell you something, you know who was as clunky and robotic in the post? Shaq. A freak athlete using his genes to his advantages shouldn't be frowned upon. I'm sure he like Shaq will learn to adapt and develop a post game ( if not people can finally get off of shaq for being "lazy" and not working on his offensive game)
Wow moron did you even watch Shaq play? GTFO clown. Shaq had elite footwork and fundamentals, was incredibly quick and incredibly smooth. He also had amazing soft touch WITH BOTH HANDS. On top of that he had a ton of different post moves and counters and was an elite passer.

On top of that Shaq had something Dwight doesnt, called killer instinct.

Dwights post game is more comparable to Alonzo Mournings. Dont even mention this pretender Dwight in the same sentence as Shaq

[Black and White]

Only team beating HOU in a series are the Spurs.

You are delusional :facepalm

[branslowski]

aldridge was about this good last year. averaging two more points and two more boards which is big, but his team is better this year (mainly the bench) and that is the biggest reason for their success.

He wasn't impacting games like this last year at this time. He's picked up his play. Not just numbers wise, but improved his defense and took clear leadership role along side Lillard. THIS year, he's clearly been better than Dwight, the numbers, team impact, PER, MVP ranking, exc, facts prove my point. Your only argument is trying to discredit LMAs impact, I already debunked that.

Just take ur L and try to make a case for Dwight being top 10 instead kid. I'm being nice, I promise you.

[GoranDragon]

You are delusional :facepalm
When the refs goes 06 wade mode on Harden, lets see if any team can beat the Rockets.

[Black and White]

When the refs goes 06 wade mode on Harden, lets see if any team can beat the Rockets.

:roll: :roll: you will disappear with the Rockets when they get eliminated

[GoranDragon]

:roll: :roll: you will disappear with the Rockets when they get eliminated
Elimimated by whom again?

[Black and White]

Elimimated by whom again?

Spurs
Thunder
Blazers
Warriors
Clippers

pick one

[ABfor3]

You are delusional :facepalm
You do realize Dwight led a team to the finals with less talent around him right? The injury bug has hit us hard this year and yet were still fighting for that top 4 seed. He has much more talent around him just wait till this team is healthy, as for the topic..He is a top 5-7 , no other big man impacts the game better than Howard on BOTH sides of the ball.

[Black and White]

You do realize Dwight led a team to the finals with less talent around him right? The injury bug has hit us hard this year and yet were still fighting for that top 4 seed. He has much more talent around him just wait till this team is healthy, as for the topic..He is a top 5-7 , no other big man impacts the game better than Howard on BOTH sides of the ball.

I don't think the Rockets make it out of the first round, second round at best, some of these west teams are clearly better

[JohnFreeman]

He isn't even the best center right now, let alone top 5 player.

[CelticBaller]

Wow moron did you even watch Shaq play? GTFO clown. Shaq had elite footwork and fundamentals, was incredibly quick and incredibly smooth. He also had amazing soft touch WITH BOTH HANDS. On top of that he had a ton of different post moves and counters and was an elite passer.

On top of that Shaq had something Dwight doesnt, called killer instinct.

Dwights post game is more comparable to Alonzo Mournings. Dont even mention this pretender Dwight in the same sentence as Shaq
yes i did idiot, get the homer glasses off and realize shaq didn't start his career in the lakers. Back in the magic he used to rely a lot on his athleticism and abusing weak centers. There's a reason why 2000 shaq was considered his best form, he learned how to work in the post and played more within the offense. Go back to sucking sergio's/nick young's dick or whoever your male crush is next

[GoranDragon]

Spurs
Thunder
Blazers
Warriors
Clippers

pick one
Lmao @ Clippers, Warriors and Blazers. You're reaching if you think they can win a 7 games series again HOU.

[GoranDragon]

He isn't even the best center right now, let alone top 5 player.
Sorry but Cousins is a poor mans D12 with even more attitude problems.

[ABfor3]

I don't think the Rockets make it out of the first round, second round at best, some of these west teams are clearly better
During his championship run he dominated the Celtics big 3, and LeBron James' Cavaliers.. Were talking bout the Celtics team who won the finals the year before and the Cavaliers team who had the best player and MVP LeBron James..so tell me which west teams are better besides maybe the Spurs and Thunder?

[Black and White]

Lmao @ Clippers, Warriors and Blazers. You're reaching if you think they can win a 7 games series again HOU.

The warriors will kill them, Bogut and Lee in the front court??? Iggy shutting parsons down?? Curry?? Klay?? Harrison Barnes??? Now Jordan Crawford??? Please

[Black and White]

During his championship run he dominated the Celtics big 3, and LeBron James' Cavaliers.. Were talking bout the Celtics team who won the finals the year before and the Cavaliers team who had the best player and MVP LeBron James..so tell me which west teams are better besides maybe the Spurs and Thunder?

The Warriors and the Blazers are better

[JohnFreeman]

Sorry but Cousins is a poor mans D12 with even more attitude problems.

D12 and Cousins have completely different games.
18.1 points 12.7 rebounds 1.8 Ast vs 23.4 points 11.6 rebounds and 3 assists

[GoranDragon]

The warriors will kill them, Bogut and Lee in the front court??? Iggy shutting parsons down?? Curry?? Klay?? Harrison Barnes??? Now Jordan Crawford??? Please
Bogut, Lee and Klay aint doing jack sh*t against D12 and Harden.

[Black and White]

Bogut, Lee and Klay aint doing jack sh*t against D12 and Harden.

Lol ok, let the playoffs come then

[ABfor3]

The Warriors and the Blazers are better
Warriors nor blazers are better than the Cavaliers or Celtics 2008 team. Peak LeBron and the all star big 3 over LMA and Curry any day .

[GoranDragon]

D12 and Cousins have completely different games.
18.1 points 12.7 rebounds 1.8 Ast vs 23.4 points 11.6 rebounds and 3 assists
But you seemed to be of the mindset that Cousins is somehow the best big in the league. My advice, hop off his bandwagon, hes not going to amount to anything.

[ABfor3]

Lol ok, let the playoffs come then
I'm sorry but almost every time the Rockets play the warriors, Klay Thompson becomes Hardens btch..he was frustrated the last time they played.

[Black and White]

Warriors nor blazers are better than the Cavaliers or Celtics 2008 team. Peak LeBron and the all star big 3 over LMA and Curry any day .

Dwight isn't the same player as he was in Orlando, you know that

[Black and White]

I'm sorry but almost every time the Rockets play the warriors, Klay Thompson becomes Hardens btch..he was frustrated the last time they played.

What will Curry, Iggy, Barnes and Crawford do then?

[Nick Young]

yes i did idiot, get the homer glasses off and realize shaq didn't start his career in the lakers. Back in the magic he used to rely a lot on his athleticism and abusing weak centers. There's a reason why 2000 shaq was considered his best form, he learned how to work in the post and played more within the offense. Go back to sucking sergio's/nick young's dick or whoever your male crush is next
Yes Shaq did come into the league as a dominant scorer with a polished offensive game.

Dwight is never going to develop a quarter of the skill Shaq had. Plus shaq was more athletic, 3 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier and much stronger.

Shaq always was an elite passer. He came in to the league with great footwork.

2000 Shaq was considered the best because Phil got him to focus on defense and rebounding. Not offense moron. His offense was never in question.

You dont average 23 points as a rookie and then 29 points a game his second year in the NBA without having any post skills and relying on atheticism, dumbass.

It's obvious you didn't watch Shaq. Homer glasses have nothing to do with it. A good comparison to Dwight is Alonzo Mourning. Undersized center with crazy hops, clunky on offense, defensive specialist.

Shaq was an unstoppable offensive force from the very beginning of his career due to coming into the league with a combo of amazing skill, size and athleticism. Dwight still has hardly any skills by comparison and is 29 years old:lol

[ABfor3]

Dwight isn't the same player as he was in Orlando, you know that
Yea I know but he's not that much worse either, he's posting up similar numbers and he has much more talent this year which is the point I'm trying to make, he brought a Magic team to the finals with hedo turkgolu and Jameer Nelson as second options, what makes u think he can't win with the best SG in Harden And Parsons?

[JohnFreeman]

But you seemed to be of the mindset that Cousins is somehow the best big in the league. My advice, hop off his bandwagon, hes not going to amount to anything.

Get the f*ck out of here. Cousins is absolutely one of the best big's in the league and I would take him over soft ass Howard any day.

[Black and White]

Yea I know but he's not that much worse either, he's posting up similar numbers and he has much more talent this year which is the point I'm trying to make, he brought a Magic team to the finals with hedo turkgolu and Jameer Nelson as second options, what makes u think he can't win with the best SG in Harden And Parsons?

Hedo was balling that year, they are a good team, I just don't see them coming out of the west. Nothing wrong with that, the west is strong

[CelticBaller]

Shaq is way better than dwight yes, but we should stop calling out his lack of post game, the man is putting 18 ppg and we're complaining? nobody did that shit when shaq came in( Meaning the dominance on pure athleticism)

[Black and White]

But you seemed to be of the mindset that Cousins is somehow the best big in the league. My advice, hop off his bandwagon, hes not going to amount to anything.

Shaq himself would say otherwise.....

[Nick Young]

During his championship run he dominated the Celtics big 3, and LeBron James' Cavaliers.. Were talking bout the Celtics team who won the finals the year before and the Cavaliers team who had the best player and MVP LeBron James..so tell me which west teams are better besides maybe the Spurs and Thunder?
Dwight never had a "championship run". He has never won a championship, only a useless Eastern conference title in an era where the East is the worst it has ever been.

[ABfor3]

Hedo was balling that year, they are a good team, I just don't see them coming out of the west. Nothing wrong with that, the west is strong
You're just repeating what you've said in previous posts:facepalm like I said , that Celtics team and Cavaliers team was strong too, those were the two teams he had to beat to get to the finals.

[Nick Young]

Shaq is way better than dwight yes, but we should stop calling out his lack of post game, the man is putting 18 ppg and we're complaining? nobody did that shit when shaq came in( Meaning the dominance on pure athleticism)


You mean guys like Hakeem and David Robinson and Alonzo Mourning and Patrick Ewing who Shaq had to play against?

[GoranDragon]

Get the f*ck out of here. Cousins is absolutely one of the best big's in the league and I would take him over soft ass Howard any day.
Spoiled baby boogie best big in the league?:roll:

DMCousins aint even top 5 bigs right now.

[ABfor3]

Dwight never had a "championship run". He has never won a championship, only a useless Eastern conference title in an era where the East is the worst it has ever been.
He was on quest for a championship which means the same thing you salty Lakers fan, btw How's your team's chemistry?

[GoranDragon]

Shaq himself would say otherwise.....
Shaq is a known Dwight hater. He's insecure of D12 challenging his placing in the top centers rank.

[CelticBaller]

You mean guys like Hakeem and David Robinson and Alonzo Mourning and Patrick Ewing who Shaq had to play against?
Don't we both agree that Dwight would be a bench player in the 90s? at the end of the day it isn't his fault he's playing in a weak era :lol

[Black and White]

You're just repeating what you've said in previous posts:facepalm like I said , that Celtics team and Cavaliers team was strong too, those were the two teams he had to beat to get to the finals.

Only to get smashed by the Lakers. Come on man, it's not a sin to admit there are some better teams in the west and that you guys aren't the favourites by any means

[Nick Young]

He was on quest for a championship which means the same thing you salty Lakers fan, btw How's your team's chemistry?
every team in the playoffs is on a quest for a championship. numbnuts :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lakers getting Jabari Parker this year, chemistry is going how it should be:rockon:

[JohnFreeman]

Spoiled baby boogie best big in the league?:roll:

DMCousins aint even top 5 bigs right now.

Who is in your top 5 then?

[Black and White]

Shaq is a known Dwight hater. He's insecure of D12 challenging his placing in the top centers rank.

Doesn't mean his opinion on Cousins isn't right tho

[Smook A.]

1st round exit......

:biggums:
Your team won't make the playoffs until you're dead. Stfu and quit saying stupid crap and LMA LMA LMA. You love LMA. You want him next to you when you sleep. Shut up, you might be the most annoying poster on any forum i've been to.

[JohnFreeman]

Doesn't mean his opinion on Cousins isn't right tho

I think Goran has an agenda

[Black and White]

:biggums:
Your team won't make the playoffs until you're dead. Stfu and quit saying stupid crap and LMA LMA LMA. You love LMA. You want him next to you when you sleep. Shut up, you might be the most annoying poster on any forum i've been to.

You mad? LaMarcus Aldridge is having the best year of his career and you Dwight fans feel the need to try and prop Dwight over him???

[Smook A.]

The warriors will kill them, Bogut and Lee in the front court??? Iggy shutting parsons down?? Curry?? Klay?? Harrison Barnes??? Now Jordan Crawford??? Please

LOOOOOOOOOOL
Jordan Crawford... YOU THINK HE'S A THREAT???? LOOOOOOOOOOOL. He's a poor man's JR Smith. We are 2-0 against the Warriors btw

[Black and White]

LOOOOOOOOOOL
Jordan Crawford... YOU THINK HE'S A THREAT???? LOOOOOOOOOOOL. He's a poor man's JR Smith. We are 2-0 against the Warriors btw

Jordan Crawford is a solid role player, just watch

[Smook A.]

You mad? LaMarcus Aldridge is having the best year of his career and you Dwight fans feel the need to try and prop Dwight over him???

A FEW PEOPLE SAID DWIGHT IS BETTER THAN LMA. JUST BECAUSE A FEW PEOPLE SAID HES BETTER THAN LMA DOESNT MEAN THE WHOLE F***ING WORLD THINKS HES BETTER

[Black and White]

A FEW PEOPLE SAID DWIGHT IS BETTER THAN LMA. JUST BECAUSE A FEW PEOPLE SAID HES BETTER THAN LMA DOESNT MEAN THE WHOLE F***ING WORLD THINKS HES BETTER

Do you agree with them?

[Smook A.]

every team in the playoffs is on a quest for a championship. numbnuts :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lakers getting Jabari Parker this year, chemistry is going how it should be:rockon:
You'll draft the next anthony bennett

[ABfor3]

every team in the playoffs is on a quest for a championship. numbnuts :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lakers getting Jabari Parker this year, chemistry is going how it should be:rockon:
But not every team gets to the finals numbnuts..yeah Jabari would love to play with a team who doesn't even stand up for their own teammates right?:applause:

[Smook A.]

Do you agree with them?
No I don't, but you're arguements in the forum are stupid

[Smook A.]

But not every team gets to the finals numbnuts..yeah Jabari would love to play with a team who doesn't even stand up for their own teammates right?:applause:
This Nick Young poster is the stupidest poster in all of internet forums

[GoranDragon]

Who is in your top 5 then?
Big man current rank I have:

1. Dwight
2. Love
3. LMA
4. Anthony Davis
5. Blake
6. Cousins

[Jameerthefear]

He wasn't impacting games like this last year at this time. He's picked up his play. Not just numbers wise, but improved his defense and took clear leadership role along side Lillard. THIS year, he's clearly been better than Dwight, the numbers, team impact, PER, MVP ranking, exc, facts prove my point. Your only argument is trying to discredit LMAs impact, I already debunked that.

Just take ur L and try to make a case for Dwight being top 10 instead kid. I'm being nice, I promise you.
lol u are so bad at arguing your point. i win u lose.

[Smook A.]

lol u are so bad at arguing your point. i win u lose.
Jameerthefear wins

[Smook A.]

Big man current rank I have:

1. Dwight
2. Love
3. LMA
4. Anthony Davis
5. Blake
6. Cousins
As a Rockets fan i'd put
1. Love
2. LMA
3. Dwight
4. Boogie
5. Davis
6. Griffin

[ABfor3]

This Nick Young poster is the stupidest poster in all of internet forums
Yeah the Lakers fan base have a few of those, watch out man.

[Black and White]

Big man current rank I have:

1. Dwight
2. Love
3. LMA
4. Anthony Davis
5. Blake
6. Cousins

Davis > Cousins? :facepalm

[dabigbaws]

1. dwight
2. davis
3. lma
4. griffin
5. cousins
6. griffin
7. empty stats

**** ya'll

[GoranDragon]

All big man same age, you would draft Dwight, LMA and Davis first.

[RightToCensor]

Dwight is the best big in the league, there is no need for all these pages and all of these debates

[Black and White]

As a Rockets fan i'd put
1. Love
2. LMA
3. Dwight
4. Boogie
5. Davis
6. Griffin

What does Love do that LaMarcus can't?

[GoranDragon]

Davis > Cousins? :facepalm
Is that facepalm worthy?:facepalm

[Black and White]

Dwight is the best big in the league, there is no need for all these pages and all of these debates

Hey Smook A. look ^^^^^ this is what I am talking about

[BigMacAttack]

Bogut, Lee and Klay aint doing jack sh*t against D12 and Harden.

Yeah Hardens Lockdown D will really bother Klays shooting :facepalm

[Black and White]

Is that facepalm worthy?:facepalm

Cousins is def playing better

[Smook A.]

Hey Smook A. look ^^^^^ this is what I am talking about
You just said LMA was better

[JohnFreeman]

Is that facepalm worthy?:facepalm

Yes that is :facepalm worthy

[Black and White]

You just said LMA was better

Yea he is better, I was saying that posters like that discredit him

[GoranDragon]

Cousins is def playing better
Cousins puts up nice boxscores, but he cant lead a team.

[Black and White]

Cousins puts up nice boxscores, but he cant lead a team.

And Davis can??? Not yet, Davis might end up better, but right now, Cousins is better

[houston]

he playing well this season

[Black and White]

he playing well this season

Yes he is, but he isn't top 5

[GoranDragon]

And Davis can??? Not yet, Davis might end up better, but right now, Cousins is better
Davis clearly has a bigger impqct on his team.

[Black and White]

Davis clearly has a bigger impqct on his team.

What makes you say that?

[The JKidd Kid]

Arguably. After Lebron, CP3, Durant and George it's a toss up between Dwight, Westbrook and LMA for that last spot.

[JohnFreeman]

How did Howard do today :roll:
Better then Cousins my ass

[Smook A.]

How did Howard do today :roll:
Better then Cousins my ass
One.F*cking.Game

[branslowski]

One.F*cking.Game

This how most games go. No shocker rightnow Shaq and Barkley tellin the truth about Dwight rightnow.

Dude has low impact. Team can't give him the ball and tell him take over in the 4th. Team doesn't even want him to have it cause he can't shoot freethrows. Dudes offensive game a a left handed "I hope it goes in" shot. Dude is overrated. Top 5 my ass.

Case Closed.

[JohnFreeman]

This how most games go. No shocker rightnow Shaq and Barkley tellin the truth about Dwight rightnow.

Dude has low impact. Team can't give him the ball and tell him take over in the 4th. Team doesn't even want him to have it cause he can't shoot freethrows. Dudes offensive game a a left handed "I hope it goes in" shot. Dude is overrated. Top 5 my ass.

Case Closed.

Thank you.

[ABfor3]

This how most games go. No shocker rightnow Shaq and Barkley tellin the truth about Dwight rightnow.

Dude has low impact. Team can't give him the ball and tell him take over in the 4th. Team doesn't even want him to have it cause he can't shoot freethrows. Dudes offensive game a a left handed "I hope it goes in" shot. Dude is overrated. Top 5 my ass.

Case Closed.
Yet he's still averaging 18 and 12.7...one game and all the hate. It's not like Houston is fighting for the 8th seed. They're in playoff contention. Dwight is better than Cousins please don't be silly

[JohnFreeman]

Yet he's still averaging 18 and 12.7...one game and all the hate. It's not like Houston is fighting for the 8th seed. They're in playoff contention. Dwight is better than Cousins please don't be silly

How is Dwight better then Cousins?
What does Howard do better (apart from maybe defense) that Cousins can't?
Howard hasn't even got a post game.

[notatop29pg]

One.F*cking.Game

Got burnt by Davis yesterday too.

[branslowski]

Yet he's still averaging 18 and 12.7...one game and all the hate. It's not like Houston is fighting for the 8th seed. They're in playoff contention. Dwight is better than Cousins please don't be silly

Just cause you put Dwight "no impact" Howards numbers up and say "he's better" doesn't make it true, nor reality. Especially when Cousins has had better numbers throughout the year.:oldlol:

[Audio One]

George > Howard? :biggums: What makes this Iguodala clone better than him?

[crisoner]

I'd take Cousins, Hibert, and Love over Howard.

[oh the horror]

Thing about Howard to me lately that I've noticed is he seems
To be having more and more bad games.


Now I wonder, is it the system, the coach, or teammates inability to get him the ball or NOT wanting to get him the ball.


Or is he laying more eggs due to teams just figuring him out.

[GoranDragon]

How is Dwight better then Cousins?
What does Howard do better (apart from maybe defense) that Cousins can't?
Howard hasn't even got a post game.
Get back to me when Cousins lead SAC to the NBA finals.

[JohnFreeman]

Get back to me when Cousins lead SAC to the NBA finals.

Give him time, he is only 23. Howard wasn't even the best player in the finals on the Orlando squad.

[GoranDragon]

Give him time, he is only 23. Howard wasn't even the best player in the finals on the Orlando squad.
You delusional.

[Smook A.]

Give him time, he is only 23. Howard wasn't even the best player in the finals on the Orlando squad
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Nick Young]

Thing about Howard to me lately that I've noticed is he seems
To be having more and more bad games.


Now I wonder, is it the system, the coach, or teammates inability to get him the ball or NOT wanting to get him the ball.


Or is he laying more eggs due to teams just figuring him out.
http://www.nba.com/games/20140116/OKCHOU/gameinfo.html?ls=slt

Players are driving at Howard with no fear and dunking on him game after game. On offense, Dwight has only 2 moves and is predictable and clunky, and teams realized he doesnt pass out of a double so they double him all the time.

He just sucks.

[JohnFreeman]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Rashard and Hedo played better :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

But not every team gets to the finals numbnuts..yeah Jabari would love to play with a team who doesn't even stand up for their own teammates right?:applause:
Marshall is a D-league mercenary on a 10 day contract, he doesnt give a phuck. Not a good example of a laker.

If Jabari gets drafted, he doesnt have a choice where he plays.

[JohnFreeman]

Marshall is a D-league mercenary on a 10 day contract, he doesnt give a phuck. Not a good example of a laker.

If Jabari gets drafted, he doesnt have a choice where he plays.

Exactly, guy called up from the D league isn't separating himself from pay cheque for Swaggy P

[The JKidd Kid]

I'd take Cousins, Hibert, and Love over Howard.

:lol Thats only because youre a Lakers fan.

[The JKidd Kid]

How is Dwight better then Cousins?
What does Howard do better (apart from maybe defense) that Cousins can't?
Howard hasn't even got a post game.

Dwight actually does have a post game. The idea that he doesnt have one was just made up by butt hurt Lakers fans looking for a scapegoat for the reason their team was so bad last year. Also, Dwight is SO MUCH BETTER than Cousins on defense its not even funny. Dwight is arguably the best defensive player in the game while Cousins is a defensive liability. This isnt the PG position where you can sort of just shove defense under the rug, this is the Center position where defense is MUCH MORE important than offense.

[The JKidd Kid]

Rashard and Hedo played better :confusedshrug:

HOLY SHIT YOURE DELUSIONAL. Dwight averaged 20 and 16 while anchoring one of the leagues best defense, even though it had guys like Lewis, Turkoglu and Nelson playing for it.

[tragicbronson]

Dwight actually does have a post game. The idea that he doesnt have one was just made up by butt hurt Lakers fans looking for a scapegoat for the reason their team was so bad last year. Also, Dwight is SO MUCH BETTER than Cousins on defense its not even funny. Dwight is arguably the best defensive player in the game while Cousins is a defensive liability. This isnt the PG position where you can sort of just shove defense under the rug, this is the Center position where defense is MUCH MORE important than offense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoJtwYSLeMw

[Nick Young]

Dwight actually does have a post game. The idea that he doesnt have one was just made up by butt hurt Lakers fans looking for a scapegoat for the reason their team was so bad last year. Also, Dwight is SO MUCH BETTER than Cousins on defense its not even funny. Dwight is arguably the best defensive player in the game while Cousins is a defensive liability. This isnt the PG position where you can sort of just shove defense under the rug, this is the Center position where defense is MUCH MORE important than offense.
Why do the rockets have one of the worst defenses in the NBA?

Why do opponents shoot higher percentages vs Dwight Howard then they do against Andrea Bargnani?:confusedshrug:

[JohnFreeman]

Dwight actually does have a post game. The idea that he doesnt have one was just made up by butt hurt Lakers fans looking for a scapegoat for the reason their team was so bad last year. Also, Dwight is SO MUCH BETTER than Cousins on defense its not even funny. Dwight is arguably the best defensive player in the game while Cousins is a defensive liability. This isnt the PG position where you can sort of just shove defense under the rug, this is the Center position where defense is MUCH MORE important than offense.
Howard doesn't have a post game. Sorry

[branslowski]

Dwight actually does have a post game. The idea that he doesnt have one was just made up by butt hurt Lakers fans looking for a scapegoat for the reason their team was so bad last year. Also, Dwight is SO MUCH BETTER than Cousins on defense its not even funny. Dwight is arguably the best defensive player in the game while Cousins is a defensive liability. This isnt the PG position where you can sort of just shove defense under the rug, this is the Center position where defense is MUCH MORE important than offense.

Man, how dumb are these posters?...Not only Laker fans pointing out the truth, every other fan on here bashes Dwight, majority of the Post against Dwight in this thread are actually posted by non Laker fans...Also, Barkley, Shaq, and Kenny said the samething. Also Kareem and Hakeem says the same thing. No just Laker fans ppl.

[ABfor3]

Man, how dumb are these posters?...Not only Laker fans pointing out the truth, every other fan on here bashes Dwight, majority of the Post against Dwight in this thread are actually posted by non Laker fans...Also, Barkley, Shaq, and Kenny said the samething. Also Kareem and Hakeem says the same thing. No just Laker fans ppl.
:facepalm everybody knows Barkley and Shaq are some of the biggest Dwight haters, did you just start watching basketball?

[STATUTORY]

:facepalm everybody knows Barkley and Shaq are some of the biggest Dwight haters, did you just start watching basketball?

it seems like anyone who knows a little about basketball is a detractor of dwight, why is that? :confusedshrug:

[ABfor3]

it seems like anyone who knows a little about basketball is a detractor of dwight, why is that? :confusedshrug:
Really? Cause I've only seen it when he has a bad game

[branslowski]

:facepalm everybody knows Barkley and Shaq are some of the biggest Dwight haters, did you just start watching basketball?

So any All-time great Big man who tells the truth about Dwights no post game is a hater too?:roll:

Shaq
Barkley
Hakeem
Kareem

All haters.:oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Really? Cause I've only seen it when he has a bad game
James Worthy, Magic Johnson, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley, all of these guys point out the weaknesses in Dwights game continuously.

Do you think you know more about basketball then these guys?

It's not because theyrejealous. Dwight has zero chance of surpassing any of them.

Shaq, THE MDE and one of the most skilled bigs ever, said it from the beginning, he used to take flack but now everyone is realizing he was right all along.

Dwight will never win a title unless its as a defensive roleplayer 4th option on offense.

[JohnFreeman]

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[SexSymbol]

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holy **** lol.

To the thread: No case for him being top 5, probably not even top 10. Just postgame-less, average defender, can still run from time to time and jump 30 inches, but that's pretty much it

[mr.big35]

What Barkley said his a good player not a great player. He should have stayed in Orlando.

[Mr Exlax]

What Barkley said his a good player not a great player. He should have stayed in Orlando.

Same shit would have happened in Orlando though. Once he had those herniated discs and then surgery it's been rough to watch.