Anyone still think Griffin is overrated?

[KyleKong]

Does anyone actually think Blake Griffin is an overrated "only good at dunks, soft, flopping, etc" player?

Also, has Griffin's play without CP3 so far impressed you?

[SyRyanYang]

Only box score watchers are labeling him overrated because Blake didn't put up impressive stats the past 2 seasons. However anyone who watches the Clippers knows that he's improving every single season. He brings so much intangibles to the game he's actually underrated if anything.

[Bandito]

Only box score watchers are labeling him overrated because Blake didn't put up impressive stats the past 2 seasons. However anyone who watches the Clippers knows that he's improving every single season. He brings so much intangibles to the game he's actually underrated if anything.
His defense is still as soft as a marshmallow?

[Jameerthefear]

He's underrated. You could argue him top 5 this year imo

[CeltsGarlic]

Completely overrated. Dude does his job good, but its incomparable to,for example, what Dirk does for Carlisle's team.

[Cold soul]

Not a fan but Griffin has improved his game some since last season.

[navy]

Blake Griffin was never over rated. Find me a post were someone didnt say he sucked or only dunked and actually gave him credit.

[navy]

His defense is still as soft as a marshmallow?

He's an alright defender. He just doesnt have the length to guard a lot of fours. He isnt pushed around or blown by though.

[KyleKong]

His defense is still as soft as a marshmallow?
His defense is actually improved greatly this year. He is a solid defender now.

[Black and White]

He's underrated. You could argue him top 5 this year imo

:biggums:

[Brook(lyn)Lopez]

JJ Redick is the real heart and soul of the Clippers.
Best SG in LA now that Kobe is done. #whitemamba

[boozehound]

He's underrated. You could argue him top 5 this year imo
not really. Dude only plays one side of the ball and is a liability for the other half of the game. Sure, hes an athletic freak, but his offense is not markedly better or more diverse than his rookie season. I basically see him as amar'e on the suns. Incredible rim finisher and athlete, but not a depth of game.

[russwest0]

ya boy

[boozehound]

His defense is actually improved greatly this year. He is a solid defender now.
meh, thats a stretch. and, yes, he was overrated early in his career. Hes probably properly rated now. Something like top 20 players in the league.

[KyleKong]

not really. Dude only plays one side of the ball and is a liability for the other half of the game. Sure, hes an athletic freak, but his offense is not markedly better or more diverse than his rookie season. I basically see him as amar'e on the suns. Incredible rim finisher and athlete, but not a depth of game.
:no:

This season he has proved everything you just said wrong.

[Johnny Jones]

not really. Dude only plays one side of the ball and is a liability for the other half of the game. Sure, hes an athletic freak, but his offense is not markedly better or more diverse than his rookie season. I basically see him as amar'e on the suns. Incredible rim finisher and athlete, but not a depth of game.
:biggums:

[Jameerthefear]

:biggums:
they don't watch LAC. I mean they must no watch them at all lol. I don't even watch them that much to know that's a ridiculous claim. I'll retract my first statement about top 5, but he's getting up there.

[boozehound]

Look, I am not saying he hasnt improved at all. I am saying that I am disappointed based on my expectations. He's still a below average defender for his position and hes still not the offensive player he could be IMO. I dont consider him a top 5 pf, let alone a top 5 overall player.

[Jameerthefear]

who do u have over him at pf?

[Black and White]

who do u have over him at pf?

LMA
Love
Dirk

for me.

[oarabbus]

not really. Dude only plays one side of the ball and is a liability for the other half of the game. Sure, hes an athletic freak, but his offense is not markedly better or more diverse than his rookie season. I basically see him as amar'e on the suns. Incredible rim finisher and athlete, but not a depth of game.


:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

You haven't seen one Clippers game, have you? I don't like the Clippers AT ALL but I've seen some of their natl televised games including the season opener and this is laughably wrong. Blake has hit a couple 3s and long jumpers off screens... he made a bigger offensive leap this season than any so far....

[boozehound]

love dirk lma duncan all for sure
then it comes down to davis, ibaka, milsap, randolph, and maybe west and monroe along with griffin. I am not a big ranker, but I see him in that second group. Maybe hes 5th, maybe hes 8th or 10th.

[Jameerthefear]

LMA
Love
Dirk

for me.
arguable better than dirk and lma. probably better than dirk.

love dirk lma duncan all for sure
then it comes down to davis, ibaka, milsap, randolph, and maybe west and monroe along with griffin. I am not a big ranker, but I see him in that second group. Maybe hes 5th, maybe hes 8th or 10th.
lol @ the bolded.

[boozehound]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

You haven't seen one Clippers game, have you? I don't like the Clippers AT ALL but I've seen some of their natl televised games including the season opener and this is laughably wrong. Blake has hit a couple 3s and long jumpers off screens... he made a bigger offensive leap this season than any so far....
hes shooting the 3 slightly better. But how many has he taken all season? Thats right, 21. and hes only made 7. sure, hes showing a little more outside game, but I dont see any real marked improvement, just more opportunity. I am also talking about post play. Now, he will never be al jeff or whatever, but I still see most of his shots being based on his athleticism/power. Now thats not terrible or anything, I just expected more from him.


As for his improved defense, its not reflected in any regular or advanced stats.

[Bernie Nips]

1. LMA
2. Blake
3. Love

My top 3 PFs for this year at the moment.

[boozehound]

arguable better than dirk and lma. probably better than dirk.

lol @ the bolded.
again, the game is two sided. Hes average at best (and I would argue below average) for one entire half of the game. Now, Monroe (for example) has those same deficiencies, but hes a much better passer and has better post moves (not necc more effective, but smarter and more nuanced). I think blake's game will age poorly, just like amar'e

[Jameerthefear]

1. LMA
2. Blake
3. Love

My top 3 PFs for this year at the moment.
pretty good list. K-Love is such a terrible defender so i still feel uncomfortable putting him at #1. i think griffin > LMA though.

[B-hoop]

again, the game is two sided. Hes average at best (and I would argue below average) for one entire half of the game. Now, Monroe (for example) has those same deficiencies, but hes a much better passer and has better post moves (not necc more effective, but smarter and more nuanced). I think blake's game will age poorly, just like amar'e

Please stop embarassing yourself :facepalm

Blake is one of the best passing PFs, since Chris has gone down the whole offense has been inside out with Blake passing the ball to 3 point shooters. Last game he had 8 assists, and has been averaging more than 4 assists per game since Chris went down.

[Black and White]

pretty good list. K-Love is such a terrible defender so i still feel uncomfortable putting him at #1. i think griffin > LMA though.

Griffin is not better than LaMarcus, no way

[B-hoop]

Yea i still have LMA above Griffin too, the mid range game is a big difference in the playoffs

[PsychoBe]

zach randolf put drake griffin in the torture chamber and grabbed his nuts at him and verbally called him his "bitch" while shutting him down and ending the Clipper's run in the first round.

but he's not overrated?

[Jameerthefear]

Griffin is not better than LaMarcus, no way
dude you overrate the hell out of lma lol. griffin has been outstanding this year.

[Milbuck]

dude you overrate the hell out of lma lol. griffin has been outstanding this year.

LMA 24/11/4/1/1 22.9 PER vs Griffin 22/10/3/1/1 22.3 PER
Aldridge is the better defender
LMA best player on his team with Portland #2 in the West, Griffin 2nd best player on his team with LAC #4 in the West

It's close but Griffin doesn't really have a case over LMA.

[BigMacAttack]

not really. Dude only plays one side of the ball and is a liability for the other half of the game. Sure, hes an athletic freak, but his offense is not markedly better or more diverse than his rookie season. I basically see him as amar'e on the suns. Incredible rim finisher and athlete, but not a depth of game.

Sounds like you havent watched him at all this season :facepalm .

[Black and White]

dude you overrate the hell out of lma lol. griffin has been outstanding this year.

Griffin has been much better this year yes, but he isn't better.

[The JKidd Kid]

No, now he's underrated. Sure his box score isn't that much different, but when you watch him play you really notice how much he's improved his all around game.

[BigMacAttack]

LMA 24/11/4/1/1 22.9 PER vs Griffin 22/10/3/1/1 22.3 PER
Aldridge is the better defender
LMA best player on his team with Portland #2 in the West, Griffin 2nd best player on his team with LAC #4 in the West

It's close but Griffin doesn't really have a case over LMA.

Agree with the bold.

Anyway you're GM to a new NBA team for 2014, which one you taking?

I got Griffin for his athleticism(so marketable), age and upside.

[Black and White]

Agree with the bold.

Anyway you're GM to a new Auckland NBA team for 2014, which one you taking?

LaMarcus Aldridge

[BigMacAttack]

LaMarcus Aldridge

I though I was quoting you when I asked that, hence Auckland.

You dont see Griffin improving anymore?

[Wavves]

Blake has improved and is a very good player. A top 3 PF.

He needs to improve his footwork though. His post game is so awkward to watch and he always jumps off the wrong foot.

[Black and White]

I though I was quoting you when I asked that, hence Auckland.

You dont see Griffin improving anymore?

No he has a long way to go, if Griffin adds a consistent mid-range game, he can easily become the best PF.

[oarabbus]

hes shooting the 3 slightly better. But how many has he taken all season? Thats right, 21. and hes only made 7. sure, hes showing a little more outside game, but I dont see any real marked improvement, just more opportunity. I am also talking about post play. Now, he will never be al jeff or whatever, but I still see most of his shots being based on his athleticism/power. Now thats not terrible or anything, I just expected more from him.


As for his improved defense, its not reflected in any regular or advanced stats.


:cheers:

Fair enough.

[Al Thornton]

not really. Dude only plays one side of the ball and is a liability for the other half of the game. Sure, hes an athletic freak, but his offense is not markedly better or more diverse than his rookie season. I basically see him as amar'e on the suns. Incredible rim finisher and athlete, but not a depth of game.

maybe a year ago but he has been pretty good defensively this year. his offense is much better than it was his rookie year. he shoots free throws now at 70% and doesn't hesitate on the mid range jumper which has changed his game completely. he isn't afraid of going to the line anymore so he attacks all the time and is one of the hardest players to guard in the league. if u watched last night's game u would see the mavs double teamed him almost every time he touched the ball in the post. something u could never say about amare even in his peak years. and when he doesn't get doubled he always makes the correct passes, had 8 assists in that game last night and impacted even more than those stats suggest because the ball was being swung around the perimeter to the open shooter. he is the second best playmaker on the clippers and maybe even the best passer at his position although love is very good. try and watch more you will see it all.

[Al Thornton]

again, the game is two sided. Hes average at best (and I would argue below average) for one entire half of the game. Now, Monroe (for example) has those same deficiencies, but hes a much better passer and has better post moves (not necc more effective, but smarter and more nuanced). I think blake's game will age poorly, just like amar'e

griffin is a much better post player than monroe, it's not even close or up for debate really. and being average at defense isn't really a problem when the majority of the league is average or worse at defense. stephen curry is horrific and yet he is a top 10 player, harden is up there too.

[navy]

Blake has improved and is a very good player. A top 3 PF.

He needs to improve his footwork though. His post game is so awkward to watch and he always jumps off the wrong foot.
His footwork is terrible. But it is effective and he gets alot of free throws with his awkwardness.

[Al Thornton]

zach randolf put drake griffin in the torture chamber and grabbed his nuts at him and verbally called him his "bitch" while shutting him down and ending the Clipper's run in the first round.

but he's not overrated?

griffin shut himself down by getting injured before game 5. he was playing decent before then, and it was only his second time in the playoffs. hard to expect much more.

[Milbuck]

Agree with the bold.

Anyway you're GM to a new NBA team for 2014, which one you taking?

I got Griffin for his athleticism(so marketable), age and upside.

Definitely Blake for a new team. He's 4 years younger. Barring injuries or unexpected regression, he's most likely going to be better than LMA. Defensively he still has time to become serviceable. Plus like you said he's substantially more marketable.

[Genaro]

I have him under LMA, Love, Dirk, Davis and Lee on my PF list but I admmit he's playing better this year (minutes went up that helps) and improved.

[Al Thornton]

Lee

http://imageshack.us/a/img35/5463/raydisgusted.png

cmon breh

[steve]

It always makes me laugh when people claim Aldridge is markedly better defender than either Griffin and Love, especially this season. What exactly is this notion based on? Is it because Aldridge is taller than Griffin and Love and can theoretically protect the rim better (even though he doesn't)? Is it because Aldridge doesn't quite have the anti-defense stigma Griffin and Love have developed over the years, so he must be better on defense. Because there really isn't much to support Aldridge even being a better defender than Griffin or Love outside of perception.

Aldridge plays more minutes than anyone on the Blazers and they have a noticeably worse defense than either the Clippers or Wolves (not to mention, the Blazers defense is worse with Aldridge on the floor than either the Clippers or Wolves are with Griffin and Love respectively).

Aldridge's individual numbers aren't any better either. His opponents individual PER is almost indistinguishable from Griffin and Love. The you have his defensive rating which is the worst of the three. So where exactly is this "Aldridge is a superior defender" coming from?

[KyleKong]

Lol @ people not understanding Griffin was injured in the 2013 playoffs.

As for top PF, I think you could make an argument that Griffin is #1, him and LMA are playing great this season, I'd give LMA a slight edge though in terms of pure PF, Griffin however is a better play maker and screener.

Love is no way what so ever better than Griffin, Love's defense is the biggest joke at the PF position, besides David Lee of course.

[Jameerthefear]

Aldridge is a better defender than Love but it's a wash with Griffin

[RoseCity07]

I honestly believe a good part of his game is dependent on defenders giving him room because they are afraid he'll flop and draw a foul. You aren't allowed to touch Griffin near the basket. Combine this with Griffin being a juggernaut if he gets any momentum towards the hoop and he is lethal.

I think Griffin is a great rebounder and has the best handles of any power forward in the game. I don't think he has the same skill as players like Dirk, LaMarcus Aldridge, Bosh, Kevin Love, and Tim Duncan.

His skill set is like Dwight Howard. When Dwight is on he looks really damn good but it's the same predictable moves. Blake Griffin has like two moves and if those are going in he's a star. If they're not he has no counter and he is ineffective as a whole.

[KyleKong]

I have him under LMA, Love, Dirk, Davis and Lee on my PF list but I admmit he's playing better this year (minutes went up that helps) and improved.

:whatever:

[Al Thornton]

Lol @ people not understanding Griffin was injured in the 2013 playoffs.

As for top PF, I think you could make an argument that Griffin is #1, him and LMA are playing great this season, I'd give LMA a slight edge though in terms of pure PF, Griffin however is a better play maker and screener.

Love is no way what so ever better than Griffin, Love's defense is the biggest joke in the NBA.

love is clear number 1, his defense is bad but u could live with it since he is so good offensively. griffin can do more than aldridge and dirk but he isn't as good a shooter as them so it's pretty close.

[Draz]

Under David Lee? .....

[RoseCity07]

It always makes me laugh when people claim Aldridge is markedly better defender than either Griffin and Love, especially this season. What exactly is this notion based on? Is it because Aldridge is taller than Griffin and Love and can theoretically protect the rim better (even though he doesn't)? Is it because Aldridge doesn't quite have the anti-defense stigma Griffin and Love have developed over the years, so he must be better on defense. Because there really isn't much to support Aldridge even being a better defender than Griffin or Love outside of perception.

Aldridge plays more minutes than anyone on the Blazers and they have a noticeably worse defense than either the Clippers or Wolves (not to mention, the Blazers defense is worse with Aldridge on the floor than either the Clippers or Wolves are with Griffin and Love respectively).

Aldridge's individual numbers aren't any better either. His opponents individual PER is almost indistinguishable from Griffin and Love. The you have his defensive rating which is the worst of the three. So where exactly is this "Aldridge is a superior defender" coming from?

I have witnessed Aldridge shut down bigs in crunch time. He will get key blocks at the end of the game. He can turn it on when he wants. That at least shows me he can play some real defense. Watch the games. Aldridge has great hands. He's always slapping down and knowing the ball out of the hands of his match up. He is a good defender when he needs to be.

Griffin is lunch meat for LMA when in the post. There is literally nothing Love or Griffin can do to stop Aldridge without help. Aldridge can stop Love and Griffin on pure length and athleticism. That's ability to stay with them and get a hand up to affect the shot.

[Al Thornton]

I honestly believe a good part of his game is dependent on defenders giving him room because they are afraid he'll flop and draw a foul. You aren't allowed to touch Griffin near the basket. Combine this with Griffin being a juggernaut if he gets any momentum towards the hoop and he is lethal.

I think Griffin is a great rebounder and has the best handles of any power forward in the game. I don't think he has the same skill as players like Dirk, LaMarcus Aldridge, Bosh, Kevin Love, and Tim Duncan.

His skill set is like Dwight Howard. When Dwight is on he looks really damn good but it's the same predictable moves. Blake Griffin has like two moves and if those are going in he's a star. If they're not he has no counter and he is ineffective as a whole.

so dumb so awful, hurts my brain

[KyleKong]

I honestly believe a good part of his game is dependent on defenders giving him room because they are afraid he'll flop and draw a foul. You aren't allowed to touch Griffin near the basket. Combine this with Griffin being a juggernaut if he gets any momentum towards the hoop and he is lethal.

I think Griffin is a great rebounder and has the best handles of any power forward in the game. I don't think he has the same skill as players like Dirk, LaMarcus Aldridge, Bosh, Kevin Love, and Tim Duncan.

His skill set is like Dwight Howard. When Dwight is on he looks really damn good but it's the same predictable moves. Blake Griffin has like two moves and if those are going in he's a star. If they're not he has no counter and he is ineffective as a whole.

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[Darius]

Blake was overrated. He had a superstar rep but a all-star reserve game. I was as hard on him as anyone.

Not anyone, however.

As of 15 games ago he has finally stopped being tentative and attacked confidently.

Stats past 15 games: 26/10/4 on 53% fg, 72% ft

Record past 6 games (Without CP3): 5-1 as a best

I think he has turned the corner.

I wouldn't put him above LMA and Love as they are playing incredibly as well.

You have to remember though that Blake is in his 4th season at 24 years old.

LMA is 28 in his 8th season and Love is 25 in his 6th season.

Blake still has a lot of room to grow.

[Darius]

Most guys in this thread are talking out their a$$ btw.

They don't watch Griffin at all, apparently.

[PsychoBe]

Blake was overrated. He had a superstar rep but a all-star reserve game. I was as hard on him as anyone.

Not anyone, however.

As of 15 games ago he has finally stopped being tentative and attacked confidently.

Stats past 15 games: 26/10/4 on 53% fg, 72% ft

Record past 6 games (Without CP3): 5-1 as a best

I think he has turned the corner.

I wouldn't put him above LMA and Love as they are playing incredibly as well.

You have to remember though that Blake is in his 4th season at 24 years old.

LMA is 28 in his 8th season and Love is 25 in his 6th season.

Blake still has a lot of room to grow.

all will ultimately lead to either a first-round exit or a second round sweep. virtually 0% of his scoring arsenal works in the half-court and he has literally 0 reliable go-to moves down the stretch.

we've been over this before with him. good regular season player who can't take the next step in the playoffs.

just like his point guard.

[Bones_Jones]

His defense is still as soft as a marshmallow?

Yeah and.. and.. and... he has a stupid hair cut too! Completely overrated

[Bones_Jones]

Scary thing is Blake is still developing his game. We're seeing him do more and more things, well those who watch him on a regular basis that is. Those who don't repeat the same old ignorant ish.

[KyleKong]

Most guys in this thread are talking out their a$$ btw.

They don't watch Griffin at all, apparently.

I certainly hope so. Otherwise I'm giving up on the NBA forums on this website, to many retards if they actually watch Clippers games and this is what they think they are seeing.

[Megabox!]

He's improved a lot from what I can tell. The last few games I've watched of the Clippers his jumpshot and freethrow shooting have looked more and more reliable. His form still looks awkward as hell tho but if the ball goes in the hoop then who the hell cares.

[GoranDragon]

Poor mans Shawn Kemp.

[tragicbronson]

I'd say he isn't overrated but he will never win the title as a first option, he seems to me that he isn't mentally tough enough, he will never be an elite defender, it's that talented nor physically gifted to be, his arms look so short, it's really rare to see that, it hurts him on both ends of the floor. He developed jumpshot but still isn't that consisted, something like LeBron, you know he can score it from range but you still prefer to take his game out of the paint. Someone compared him to prime Amare but i think he's not there yet, Amare was dominant, i don't see Griffin as a dominant power forward, Amare played C/PF but there's no way Griffin could play C.

I like that he is improving but i think that even in his peak he won't be that dominant that he is the leader of the team, atleast at the contender team.

And that argument who'd you take if you are starting a franchise, LMA or Blake doesn't make any sense even though i'd take LMA, but out of all PFs, if i am starting a franchise i'd pick Davis over anyone but that doesn't make him best power forward in the league.

As someone said, he is predictable and because of that i think he can get away with it in regular season but this is one of the reasons that makes me think he wouldn't translate this level of success in the playoffs.

He somehow irritates me, dunno why, maybe that's why i have such an opinion on him. :confusedshrug:

[b0bab0i]

Most guys in this thread are talking out their a$$ btw.

They don't watch Griffin at all, apparently.
Lol half of the replies in this thread were from boozehound.

Dude is a griffin hater kinda like Demons2005 and CP3.

I remeber he was a griffin supporter before.

Boozehound turned on griffin like 2 years ago and started hating him for flopping, clouding his judgement of griffin ever being a good player after that.

[senelcoolidge]

Blake has improved and is a very good player. A top 3 PF.

He needs to improve his footwork though. His post game is so awkward to watch and he always jumps off the wrong foot.

He's unorthodox but effect. The point is that he's effect. There have been plenty of players that have had weird mechanics, whether it was the way they shoot their jumpshots, free throws, or post game. As far as defense LMA isn't much better if better at all. Griffin is not a shot blocker, but he's strong. His strength and speed makes it difficult for guys to get easy shots on him.