If lebron really is a tier above jordan

[knicksman]

How come his on/off +/- in the playoffs is 8.2 which is not better than kobe(8.3)

And with paired with stars. his on/off +/-is just 3.8 compared to kobe which is +/- 10.

[Black and White]

Who said he is a tier above?

[Prometheus]

I've literally never heard anyone say LeBron is a tier above Jordan. at most I've seen people say he's the goat over him, but they're always hardcore trolling so no one takes it seriously. mj > Lebron and that's no shame for lebron

[Im so nba'd out]

LOL @ anyone who falls for this troll thread:lol

[Akrazotile]

Dat PER doe

[TheReal Kendall]

I didn't even know there was a tier above Jordan

[Lebron23]

Another stupid thread and posts by Kobeman.

[TheWeeknd]

No you have it wrong. Jordan is a tier above Kobe

[Black and White]

No you have it wrong. Jordan is a tier above Kobe

He is a tier above a lot of players.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Another stupid thread and posts by Kobeman.
you seem upset for your man

[Prometheus]

the "top tier" of basketball players is the tier below Michael jordan

[knicksman]

clearly im exagerating. But if hes capable of challenging jordan and a tier above kobe, how come his on/off +/- in the playoffs is the same as kobe and becomes worse if paired with stars. Kobe has 10 to lebron 3.8. If hes really that good maybe he should beat kobe first.

[Prometheus]

clearly im exagerating. But if hes capable of challenging jordan and a tier above kobe, how come his on/off +/- in the playoffs is the same as kobe and becomes worse if paired with stars. Kobe has 10 to lebron 3.8. If hes really that good maybe he should beat kobe first.

I see people knock bron stans all the time for using stats in their arguments, and you want to base the whole thing on +/- ? I know you're just trolling, but seriously you're just trolling.

[Lebron23]

I see people knock bron stans all the time for using stats in their arguments, and you want to base the whole thing on +/- ? I know you're just trolling, but seriously you're just trolling.


The guy is an idiot. He also has 4 alternate accounts in this forum. Most of his posts is about trolling LBJ, and praising his hero.

[Nuff Said]

Thread title says Jordan then only Kobe is mentioned and compared. I'm confused.

[knicksman]

well i dont think lebron wouldve joined wade if he is really that impactful as his fans make him out to be.

Plus were talking about career here not 5 game sample size.

[knicksman]

Thread title says Jordan then only Kobe is mentioned and compared. I'm confused.

because before he can beat jordan, he must beat kobe first

[Angel Face]

Lebron23 is having another meltdown because his sugar daddy is the laughing stock of ISH... again!

[Nuff Said]

because before he can beat jordan, he must beat kobe first
But some people believe Kobe to be above Jordan...

[Lebron23]

Lebron23 is having another meltdown because his sugar daddy is the laughing stock of ISH... again!


Unlike you I am not hiding in my sock accounts.

[Angel Face]

Unlike you I am not hiding in my sock accounts.

:confusedshrug: it's my only account.

[Lebron23]

because before he can beat jordan, he must beat kobe first


Lebron and his team out played Kobe and his team in their head to head matchup.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=bryanko01

[knicksman]

Lebron and his team out played Kobe and his team in their head to head matchup.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=bryanko01

of course no one can beat lebron in the preseason

[sportjames23]

I didn't even know there was a tier above Jordan


Nope, so such thing as a tier above Jordan.

[riseagainst]

who the hell said Lebron is a tier above Jordan?
:lol

I'll agree if someone said he is a tier BELOW Jordan.
:cheers:

[r0drig0lac]

troll gonna troll

[Cold soul]

More like several tiers below Jordan.

[ArbitraryWater]

Nobody says that.


BAN THE CLOWN.

[Rodmantheman]

OP is stupid who the hell says Lebron is a tier above Jordan:facepalm

[rlsmooth775]

The only time Lebron was close to Jordan was 12 09

[funnystuff]

No you have it wrong. Jordan is a tier above Kobe
Lol, a few tiers..

[Megabox!]

:facepalm :facepalm

[HurricaneKid]

How come his on/off +/- in the playoffs is 8.2 which is not better than kobe(8.3)

And with paired with stars. his on/off +/-is just 3.8 compared to kobe which is +/- 10.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/

Regular Season: Kobe - +6.5; LeBron - +11.4

Postseason: Kobe - +8.3; LeBron - +8.8

You picked the stat and your guy still fell flat on his face.

LeBron 2011-2012 playoffs +24.3 :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[knicksman]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/

Regular Season: Kobe - +6.5; LeBron - +11.4

Postseason: Kobe - +8.3; LeBron - +8.8

You picked the stat and your guy still fell flat on his face.

LeBron 2011-2012 playoffs +24.3 :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:


my bad i based it on this link:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#playoffs_advanced_pbp::none

and lebron in miami is +/-3.7 from 12.6 in the RS:eek: If thats not a definition of overrated. I dont know what it is

[JohnFreeman]

You actually believe in tiers?

[pauk]

1. He is not a tier above Jordan.
2. +/- is the most stupid stat ever.

[knicksman]

so if it doesnt favor lebron it becomes the most stupid stat

[Lebron23]

You actually believe in tiers?


I actually believe that Knicksman is a $hit poster.

[knicksman]

meh..the best measure of impact is +/- and lebron has proven my theory that statpadders are not as impactful as you stans make him out to be. Same with oscar and wilt

[Lebron23]

meh..the best measure of impact is +/- and lebron has proven my theory that statpadders are not as impactful as you stans make him out to be. Same with oscar and wilt

the best measure of impact is leading your team to back to back NBA titles at age 28.

[Bandito]

the best measure of impact is leading your team to back to back NBA titles at age 28.
Damn!!!:oldlol:

[jstern]

For many years Derek Fisher had one of the highest +/- in the league. He was only a tier behind Jordan.

[pauk]

so if it doesnt favor lebron it becomes the most stupid stat

So if it doesnt favor lebron it becomes a good stat?

+/- is extremly flawed & simpleminded way of evaluating an individual, it favors any random player who happens to be in the lineup when the opposing team randomly struggle more while your team does randomly a bit better.... ending up with the guy having 0 points the best +/- in the game while the 50 point triple double guy ended up with less....

Good +/- = playing or being away at a better moment, it can happen while you did absolutely nothing individually.

Bad +/- = playing or being away at a worse moment, it can happen while you did EVERYTHING individually.

Now please, stop.

[knicksman]

the best measure of impact is leading your team to back to back NBA titles at age 28.

cheating..Thats what betas are. Having low standards when it comes to rings:lol

[knicksman]

So if it doesnt favor lebron it becomes a good stat?

+/- is extremly flawed & simpleminded way of evaluating an individual, it favors any random player who happens to be in the lineup when the opposing team randomly struggle more while your team does randomly a bit better.... ending up with the guy having 0 points the best +/- in the game while the 50 point triple double guy ended up with less....

Good +/- = playing or being away at a better moment, it can happen while you did absolutely nothing individually.

Bad +/- = playing or being away at a worse moment, it can happen while you did EVERYTHING individually.

Now please, stop.


its only bad if its a 5 game sample or even a 30 game sample size but 1 season or career.. Nah. We have seen oscar wilt and jordan 30 8 8. i think its enough of an evidence to believe that these type of players are overrated.