video needed for 2004 NBA finals

[Prometheus]

I got into an argument about the 2004 nba finals, and unfortunately i cannot back up my arguments with footage because i don't have any. does anyone know where i could find video of all 5 entire games from that (or any) series?

[AnaheimLakers24]

should of just watched it when it aired

[moe94]

should of just watched it when it aired

You definitely exposed him. I don't know how isn't sure about every single play at every single moment of an entire series like the rest of us. Why even post on this board?

Try the bay of those pirates.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Ever tried youtube? Heard its a bunch of video stuff.

[Rake2204]

If I could ask, what may this argument be regarding?

[AnaheimLakers24]

If I could ask, what may this argument be regarding?
probably about kareem rush hitting 7 3s... lol jk its most likely about kobe an lebron

[Prometheus]

should of just watched it when it aired

it was a decade ago and I don't remember every single detail. and to the guy that recommended youtube, the only thing I could find were highlights and a nearly full game 5

[Rake2204]

I have a Kobe Bryant shot-by-shot highlight from game 1.

Edit: Added after seeing your response below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDpobypzSo

[Prometheus]

If I could ask, what may this argument be regarding?

I believe that kobe forced his shots and f-ed up the offense that series, as shaq was dominating against single coverage and kobe was useless against their swarming defense and the length of tayshawn. the guy I was arguing with was denying this, saying that shaq was a fat slob who was declining by then and that kobe played just fine against "the best defense ever"

[NumberSix]

Well, what was the argument? If we know what your specifically looking for, someone will be able to help you.

[Prometheus]

I have a Kobe Bryant shot-by-shot highlight from game 1.

Edit: Added after seeing your response below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDpobypzSo

link pls? would probably be helpful

[Mr. Jabbar]

I got into an argument and unfortunately i cannot back up my arguments with footage

you should pm pauk for advice

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I suppose the argument had to do with Kobe chucking the series away.

[AnaheimLakers24]

I believe that kobe forced his shots and f-ed up the offense that series, as shaq was dominating against single coverage and kobe was useless against their swarming defense and the length of tayshawn. the guy I was arguing with was denying this, saying that shaq was a fat slob who was declining by then and that kobe played just fine against "the best defense ever"
no one on the lakers was dominant that series. everyone shot below 45%. kobe shot the ball about 110 times and shaq had about 70 shots. go double check though

[Rake2204]

Also, as a Pistons fan, one of my biggest memories about the Lakers was Shaq's early dominance. It felt like each game began with L.A. dumping the ball inside to O'Neal for easy baskets over Ben Wallace (who was single-covering the big guy). Then, through either O'Neal's fatigue or the natural flow of the game, he'd slowly be phased out as the game wore on.

Here's a composite 2004 Finals box score. Shaq shot 63% from the floor: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2004_finals.html

[Prometheus]

no one on the lakers was dominant that series. everyone shot below 45%. kobe shot the ball about 110 times and shaq had about 70 shots. go double check though

shaq shot 63%... 53 for 84.

kobe shot 38%... 43 for 113.

[Prometheus]

Also, as a Pistons fan, one of my biggest memories about the Lakers was Shaq's early dominance. It felt like each game began with L.A. dumping the ball inside to O'Neal for easy baskets over Ben Wallace (who was single-covering the big guy). Then, through either O'Neal's fatigue or the natural flow of the game, he'd slowly be phased out as the game wore on.

Here's a composite 2004 Finals box score. Shaq shot 63% from the floor: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2004_finals.html

just replace the bolded text with "as kobe forced the issue more and more", and you're spot on

[Prometheus]

you should pm pauk for advice

:oldlol:

[Prometheus]

I have a Kobe Bryant shot-by-shot highlight from game 1.

Edit: Added after seeing your response below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDpobypzSo

thank you :cheers:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Next 5 highest Laker scorers after Shaq/Kobe

Fisher 6.4 ppg, 30.6fg%
George 5.8 ppg, 39.3fg%
Payton 4.2 ppg. 32.1fg%
Malone 5.0 ppg, 33.3fg%
Medvedenko 3.6 ppg, 35.3fg%

[Prometheus]

Next 5 highest Laker scorers after Shaq/Kobe

Fisher 6.4 ppg, 30.6fg%
George 5.8 ppg, 39.3fg%
Payton 4.2 ppg. 32.1fg%
Malone 5.0 ppg, 33.3fg%
Medvedenko 3.6 ppg, 35.3fg%

I know you're trying to defend kobe, and yes the pistons defense was superb, and yes everyone other than shaq shot poorly, not just kobe, but if shaq was dominating the way he was, they should have just milked it. why did kobe shoot so much more when he was doing so poorly?

[AnaheimLakers24]

shaq shot 63%... 53 for 84.

kobe shot 38%... 43 for 113.
thanks for checking.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I know you're trying to defend kobe, and yes the pistons defense was superb, and yes everyone other than shaq shot poorly, not just kobe, but if shaq was dominating the way he was, they should have just milked it. why did kobe shoot so much more when he was doing so poorly?
Who else was going to score? Nobody other than Shaq and Kobe averaged over 7 ppg. Shaq averaged 26.3 ppg so how was he not getting his touches? Shaq had 36/20 in game 4.

[Prometheus]

Who else was going to score? Nobody other than Shaq and Kobe averaged over 7 ppg. Shaq averaged 26.3 ppg so how was he not getting his touches? Shaq had 36/20 in game 4.

he shot 29 fewer shots than kobe and made 10 more. kobe should have shot half as many shots and just continued to feed shaq in the post. if it aint broke don't fix it

[Rake2204]

Who else was going to score? Nobody other than Shaq and Kobe averaged over 7 ppg. Shaq averaged 26.3 ppg so how was he not getting his touches? Shaq had 36/20 in game 4.I'll have to give those games another look sometime here in the near future, as I know my memory is an exaggeration of how it really happened. But it almost seemed like a part of Detroit's gameplan was to come in and absorb Shaq's best punch throughout the first quarter, then count on his touches greatly reducing as the game moved forward.

My unfounded logic would suggest that such domination by O'Neal early on would usually force every other team to begin sending doubles (or at least shadows or digs) toward Shaq which would then open up his teammates and the prospect of effective ball movement.

However, as stated, it was like Detroit almost made it too simple: limit the double teaming of O'Neal, count on Shaq's fatigue taking over or LA getting bored with post entries to O'Neal, watch rest of team struggle to score.

[Deuce Bigalow]

he shot 29 fewer shots than kobe and made 10 more. kobe should have shot half as many shots and just continued to feed shaq in the post. if it aint broke don't fix it
Idk man Kobe only took 13 shots in game 3 and Lakers lost by 20.

[Mr Feeny]

I believe that kobe forced his shots and f-ed up the offense that series, as shaq was dominating against single coverage and kobe was useless against their swarming defense and the length of tayshawn. the guy I was arguing with was denying this, saying that shaq was a fat slob who was declining by then and that kobe played just fine against "the best defense ever"

I have games 1, 3, 4, and 5 on dvd and your friend has no idea what he is talking about. Kobe was facing single coverage by Prince the entire season and was held to 38% shooting. I remember a 4-13 game with 11 points, 7-21 for the season ending loss off the top of my heas.
Shaq openely complained about not getting touches after going 13-16 in one of the games. He pointed out that he was dominating Wallace in the post game conference and blamed akobe for not passing. He might have had a case. Certainly, Phil Jackson sided with Shaq on this in his 2004 book.

[Mr Feeny]

Who else was going to score? Nobody other than Shaq and Kobe averaged over 7 ppg. Shaq averaged 26.3 ppg so how was he not getting his touches? Shaq had 36/20 in game 4.

How many shots did Shaq take to get his 36 points in game 4? how many did Kobe take? Thanks very much. "Feed the hot hand" as Phil used to say.

[Joe Anderson]

Who else was going to score? Nobody other than Shaq and Kobe averaged over 7 ppg. Shaq averaged 26.3 ppg so how was he not getting his touches? Shaq had 36/20 in game 4.
When the greatest coach of all time says Kobe sabotaged the series, he sabotaged the series. The Lakers were heavy favorites and Kobe was the reason they lost. There is no way around that!

[Prometheus]

I have games 1, 3, 4, and 5 on dvd and your friend has no idea what he is talking about. Kobe was facing single coverage by Prince the entire season and was held to 38% shooting. I remember a 4-13 game with 11 points, 7-21 for the season ending loss off the top of my heas.
Shaq openely complained about not getting touches after going 13-16 in one of the games. He pointed out that he was dominating Wallace in the post game conference and blamed akobe for not passing. He might have had a case. Certainly, Phil Jackson sided with Shaq on this in his 2004 book.

I remember right after shaq got traded he brought up this series and said "come on everyone knows I was getting screwed by the little guy. I'm a 60% shooter for my career and I had to practically beg for the ball"

[AI Thornton]

Who else was going to score? Nobody other than Shaq and Kobe averaged over 7 ppg. Shaq averaged 26.3 ppg so how was he not getting his touches? Shaq had 36/20 in game 4.

Nobody said Kobe shouldn't be shooting more than Fisher, George, Payton, etc. They are saying that Kobe shouldn't have shot more than Shaq. If Shaq had 36 points off of 21 shots, then maybe Kobe should have made sure that Shaq should have had the ball more rather than Kobe shooting 25 times to get 20 points.

[Genaro]

In his book Phil said Kobe was getting fouled in his j's and Malone healthy could have changed the results.

But anyway, with Malone banged up there's no way Lakers win that series. Even if Shaq shoots more.

[TimmyDuncan]

I got into an argument about the 2004 nba finals, and unfortunately i cannot back up my arguments with footage because i don't have any. does anyone know where i could find video of all 5 entire games from that (or any) series?

Try sport scene. I think they have every finals games from the 80's to now.
Don't know if subscription are open currently though

[Combat Wombat]

I suppose the argument had to do with Kobe chucking the series away.


:biggums:

You were still sucking on your mummy's tit in 2004 so what the hell would you know?

[swagga]

the issue in this thread is that none is sayin what mattered most.

chuckbe not making the entry pass

That right there ****ed their entire offense, because against the 2004 pistons you don't go 1v1 you pass it to shaq for the 2/3 team and then cut or kick out to get a nice shot or a pnr/pnp with malone.

LMAO @putting just stats, watch the game ****.

Phil was ventilating at first , later he just stood beaten, i recall he said in an interview that they can't win playing like that. Kobe tbh. :facepalm

[swagga]

:biggums:

You were still sucking on your mummy's tit in 2004 so what the hell would you know?

nig's right, why u mad bro? hurt your boy kobe and his dick fell out your mouth? son you gotta learn to share, alot of kobe fans out there. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Whole serious is on youtube :wtf:

lol

[mr.big35]

Give credit to the Pistons for shutting down this stacked team. I always here lakers stans say that Pistons got lucky.

[Rake2204]

Give credit to the Pistons for shutting down this stacked team. I always here lakers stans say that Pistons got lucky.Pistons fan here, so no doubt I like the idea of Detroit getting credit. I remember being flummoxed heading into the Finals matchup. All I'd heard my entire life was "Defense wins championships", and Detroit was putting on a defensive show for the ages. Yet, nearly every analyst completely dismissed Detroit's chances heading into the Finals because it was presumed they'd be overpowered by L.A.'s offense. I thought I was missing something.

I wasn't.

[riseagainst]

Lakers were the favorites to win. But lots of credit to the Pistons' defense and Larry Brown. One of the greatest team defenses of all time no doubt.

[Prometheus]

Whole serious is on youtube :wtf:

lol

can't find it, and I'm searching for "2004 nba finals game _" for each game and I'm only getting game 5. maybe you could provide a link?

[Prometheus]

the issue in this thread is that none is sayin what mattered most.

chuckbe not making the entry pass

That right there ****ed their entire offense, because against the 2004 pistons you don't go 1v1 you pass it to shaq for the 2/3 team and then cut or kick out to get a nice shot or a pnr/pnp with malone.

LMAO @putting just stats, watch the game ****.

Phil was ventilating at first , later he just stood beaten, i recall he said in an interview that they can't win playing like that. Kobe tbh. :facepalm

very much this. not only was he not making the entry pass, but there were times I recall him literally running to the wrong side of the floor and posting up where shaq was trying to post up

[riseagainst]

Ballhog Bryant at his finest.

[wakencdukest]

Kobe had a bad series, Malone was injured, Payton was worthless, but Detroit still deserves a lot of credit, they played great defense, and their offense wasn't half bad.

[knicksman]

even if they lost. kobe has still more rings than lebron. So why is op so damn mad about that series. Only betas would be mad about it. Only betas like ray allen or lebron would love to play with shaq or an alpha.

[Prometheus]

even if they lost. kobe has still more rings than lebron. So why is op so damn mad about that series. Only betas would be mad about it. Only betas like ray allen or lebron would love to play with shaq or an alpha.

you're a beta

[knicksman]

you're a beta

:lol

nice try tho

[Prometheus]

:lol

nice try tho

you are. it's so obvious, you should just start wearing panties. you live vicariously through the "alpha male" men to whom you look up, and most likely have very strong repressed homosexual feelings toward them. or maybe you could just stfu with this alpha/beta stuff and talk about basketball like it's being played by human beings and not a pack of f-king wolves.

[Prometheus]

oh and also, knicksman, please don't ever post again. first because your join date is in 2011 and you now have 2,011 posts, so it's just kind of perfect. second, because you are the worst poster I know of and have nothing to contribute to any discussion

[Replay32]

That series wasn't one of Kobe's finest moments. I remember at the time being very disappointed at his approach in those games. Because when it came playoff time, kobe usually played the right way.

Not saying that the lakers would of won the series, but he definitely cost the lakers a couple of games. He refused to pass the ball inside. Even when his shot was broken. :facepalm

[Prometheus]

That series wasn't one of Kobe's finest moments. I remember at the time being very disappointed at his approach in those games. Because when it came playoff time, kobe usually played the right way.

Not saying that the lakers would of won the series, but he definitely cost the lakers a couple of games. He refused to pass the ball inside. Even when his shot was broken. :facepalm

i was a HUGE kobe fan before that pistons series. afterward, i was "eh", and ever since then, I've been "eh". overrated

[moe94]

you are. it's so obvious, you should just start wearing panties. you live vicariously through the "alpha male" men to whom you look up, and most likely have very strong repressed homosexual feelings toward them. or maybe you could just stfu with this alpha/beta stuff and talk about basketball like it's being played by human beings and not a pack of f-king wolves.

That shit that make your soul burn slow.

[Prometheus]

That shit that make your soul burn slow.

lol she was really getting on my nerves. idk maybe I'm being too harsh though. he could be taking a 100-level course in ancient greek and is just trying to practice

[Element]

very much this. not only was he not making the entry pass, but there were times I recall him literally running to the wrong side of the floor and posting up where shaq was trying to post up

lol revisionist history

Shaq wasnt double teamed at all. tht was the whole point of the pistons D and the reason his numbers look so godly. Let shaq get his down low so that shooters etc cant get wide open looks and shade kobe on the perimeter with 3 guys where it's easier to close out after a kick out

[SexSymbol]

You said he was posting up on the other side where Shaq was postin to post up? So what? Shaq's pure post up numbers weren't so good back then, I can argue, that Kobe posting up 1x1 will yield better results than Shaq lol. Kobe was the best post up player last year while being a 34 YO SG

[Prometheus]

lol revisionist history

Shaq wasnt double teamed at all. tht was the whole point of the pistons D and the reason his numbers look so godly. Let shaq get his down low so that shooters etc cant get wide open looks and shade kobe on the perimeter with 3 guys where it's easier to close out after a kick out

I didn't say he was double teamed, in fact I was stressing the opposite - they were single covering shaq, and so the lakers should have fed him the ball all game every game

[Prometheus]

You said he was posting up on the other side where Shaq was postin to post up? So what? Shaq's pure post up numbers weren't so good back then, I can argue, that Kobe posting up 1x1 will yield better results than Shaq lol. Kobe was the best post up player last year while being a 34 YO SG

no I mean running to the same side that shaq was on and trying to basically steal his position. and also you are actually, you are ACTUALLY trying to say that kobe posting up in 2004 is a better offensive option than shaq posting up. complete and total homer identified. oh and also I didn't know kobe was 34 years old in 2004. I'm surprised he was 27 when he was drafted then? that's really weird.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

even if they lost. kobe has still more rings than lebron. So why is op so damn mad about that series. Only betas would be mad about it. Only betas like ray allen or lebron would love to play with shaq or an alpha.
Look at this douche trying to label people that dont agree with him. Lebron is more successful than your entire franchise, there is nothing beta about that.

[Bandito]

OP is so obsessed with Kobe, what a loser:lol

[knicksman]

Look at this douche trying to label people that dont agree with him. Lebron is more successful than your entire franchise, there is nothing beta about that.

alphas would rather lose than admit being a loser. Lebron basically admitted to the whole world that he cant win when he made the decision

[wildchild]

you're a beta

Calling someone beta, won't make you alpha :oldlol:

[jzek]

Why can't Kobe win with 3 other Hall of Fame teammates not once but twice? :wtf: