You are now the minority

[Patrick Chewing]

http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Latinos-set-to-surpass-whites-in-California-in-5146876.php?t=d65e935c943c100abe#/0

Latinos set to surpass whites in California in March

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/81/81928736e94eaee6c600b9fd53015fb532482b841622a331c4 b9fcbd69b0f0bf.jpg

Melody Gutierrez

January 16, 2014 7:37 AM

Sacramento --

California is growing older and more diverse.

The Latino population is projected to surpass that of whites in California in March to become the single largest "race or ethnic group," according to a report on shifting demographics in Gov. Jerry Brown's 2014-15 budget proposal. Also, the number of residents 65 and older will jump by 20.7 percent over the next five years, the report said.

State demographers expected Latinos to surpass the non-Hispanic white population seven months earlier, but Latino birth rates were lower than anticipated. Now, officials say, by March Latinos will make up 39 percent of California's population, edging out non-Hispanic whites at 38.8 percent. Nearly 25 years ago, non-Hispanic whites made up 57 percent of the state, while Latinos made up 26 percent.

The state's Department of Finance includes the projections in the governor's budget proposal because of the potential economic impact, such as the increase in retirees affecting the scope of services needed for an aging population, or income disparities among minority groups increasing the need for social or educational programs.
Reshaping the electorate

"Demographic changes that are coming will reshape the electorate, and in turn that will likely have impacts on policies and issues that decision makers focus on in the coming decades," said Mindy Romero, director of the California Civic Engagement Project at the UC Davis Center for Regional Change.

Geographic data for the state's 58 counties show the Bay Area is leading the state in economic and population growth, said Bill Schooling, chief demographer for the state Department of Finance. Statewide, coastal cities are growing faster than the Central Valley.

As a state, California experienced modest growth in the past fiscal year, with estimates pegging the population at 38.2 million residents. By July, demographers anticipate the state's population will grow by 300,000 people.
More old, fewer young

Growth rates vary drastically between age groups, with retiring Baby Boomers projected to reshape the labor force in the next 15 years as more than 1,000 Californians will turn 65 years old each day. At the same time, lower birth rates have resulted in fewer young people, with the 18-to-24-year-old group experiencing a 4.5 percent decline and 5- to 17-year-olds increasing just 0.2 percent.

"A big question mark is about what that means for policy for youth," Romero said. "Older voters often aren't as supportive of youth-specific policies."

Schooling said the median age for Latinos - 28 - shows many are in their childbearing years, which will drive future growth among the group.

"Considerably more births are Latino, even though the birth rate is not particularly high," he said.

Schooling said new data suggest the current trend won't continue to the point of Latino groups becoming a majority. State demographers previously projected the Latino population to reach more than 50 percent in 2042.

"In our projections, they get higher and higher, but not reaching a majority," Schooling said.

Asian groups, which currently make up 13 percent of the state, are also projected to see strong growth, mostly through immigration.

"It's less about one group being a couple tenths more of the population than another group, but more about a continuing trend for California being a majority-minority state," said Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Greenlining Institute, a Berkeley nonprofit that advocates for communities of color. "Everything that government does, that private industry does, needs to react to that reality."

Melody Gutierrez is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. E-mail: mgutierrez@sfchronicle.com Twitter: @MelodyGutierrez

[KingBeasley08]

Latinos doin work

[ace23]

You are now the minority
Cool.

[Brujesino]

We taking over

[MightyWhitey]

How many of these Mexicans are legal US citizens?

[Brujesino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zyq0v6r948

[oh the horror]

Gotta love the staggering racism in the comments section.


Truth is, racists are going down the drain kicking an screaming. But truth is....there isn't shit they can do about it.


Claiming the USA will "become a third world country" as if it's people of color ruining this country and not greedy corporations.

[El Gato Negro]

meh it was bound to happen.

[HeatFanSince88]

Gotta love the staggering racism in the comments section.


Truth is, racists are going down the drain kicking an screaming. But truth is....there isn't shit they can do about it.


Claiming the USA will "become a third world country" as if it's people of color ruining this country and not greedy corporations.

You can try denying it all you want, but the best places to live are areas that are predominately people of European descent. If you take those people out you have the very thing that made the community so desirable.

Before you cry "racism" you should open your eyes to the world and look at how communities that are predominately black/hispanic turn to shit. Maybe if people weren't so scared of offending someone we could do something about the obvious problem of these groups.

[chosen_one6]

You can try denying it all you want, but the best places to live are areas that are predominately people of European descent. If you take those people out you have the very thing that made the community so desirable.

Before you cry "racism" you should open your eyes to the world and look at how communities that are predominately black/hispanic turn to shit. Maybe if people weren't so scared of offending someone we could do something about the obvious problem of these groups.

People of European descent usually have more money. Why do you think that is?

[IamRAMBO24]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/be/be861a1af3e77990540c4634a4122b37c87214a758a9b011f7 be8212da9fbf64.jpg

[IamRAMBO24]

You can try denying it all you want, but the best places to live are areas that are predominately people of European descent. If you take those people out you have the very thing that made the community so desirable.

Before you cry "racism" you should open your eyes to the world and look at how communities that are predominately black/hispanic turn to shit. Maybe if people weren't so scared of offending someone we could do something about the obvious problem of these groups.

What a blank racist statement.

The problem isn't within the race itself, but rather the socio economic background of the race.

:facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

People of European descent usually have more money. Why do you think that is?


The simple answer: They were here first. It will take a few generations before blacks and hispanics accumulate the kind of wealth that's equal to the kind of wealth that white America has today.

No Socialist ideology or anything will change that or make it happen any sooner.

[HeatFanSince88]

People of European descent usually have more money. Why do you think that is?

Smarter and more innovative. Naturally these are people that are more likely to have high paying professions.

And Even for these professional African athletes who have the money..... How common is it for these guys to go bankrupt even after making millions of dollars? Spending it all on dumb shit and losing it just as fast as they made it.... Obviously this doesn't apply to ALL, but I bet this is much more common in african athletes as opposed to Europeans. Would definetly be interested in those statistics...

[HeatFanSince88]

The simple answer: They were here first. It will take a few generations before blacks and hispanics accumulate the kind of wealth that's equal to the kind of wealth that white America has today.

No Socialist ideology or anything will change that or make it happen any sooner.

Asian immigrants came to America with no money, not even knowing the language, and they have made themselves the ethnic group with the highest average income in just a single generation.

What excuse do blacks have where they know the language and have been here for much longer? And there are even racist policies such as affirmative action and certain scholarships that reward them based purely on their race.

[fiddy]

Isnt Cali labeled as the first failed state of U.S.?

[Rodmantheman]

Isnt Cali labeled as the first failed state of U.S.?

how?

[fiddy]

how?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=failed+state+california

[G-Funk]

Asian immigrants came to America with no money, not even knowing the language, and they have made themselves the ethnic group with the highest average income in just a single generation.

What excuse do blacks have where they know the language and have been here for much longer? And there are even racist policies such as affirmative action and certain scholarships that reward them based purely on their race.
Ur very misinformed you racist piece of trash, those Asians that u say came to the country with nothing are actually rich and high class students. You have to remember, China has over 1,000,000 multi millionaires Don't forget that the Chinese work for the American and Western companies producing in China. These are the children from the China or Asian office executives. Some are business owners. Many Chinese Millionaires are moving to America and Canada to escape with their wealth before the Chinese Central Communist Government takes their assets and cash.


The worst thing next to a rapist is a ignorant racist, both are the scum of this world.

[G-Funk]

Smarter and more innovative. Naturally these are people that are more likely to have high paying professions.

And Even for these professional African athletes who have the money..... How common is it for these guys to go bankrupt even after making millions of dollars? Spending it all on dumb shit and losing it just as fast as they made it.... Obviously this doesn't apply to ALL, but I bet this is much more common in african athletes as opposed to Europeans. Would definetly be interested in those statistics...

Here, educate yourself

http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/publications/docs/07_02_03.pdf

[East_Stone_Ya]

its isn't a surprise if you know the history of California.. i mean back to the days when there was a war with Mexico

[Myth]

White people may be in the minority by numbers, but not by power. The aspect of power balance has a much further ways to go.

[Nick Young]

Do we get free scholarships based on race now?

Wouldnt it be racist to be giving out all the free diversity scholarships to the race that is the majority?

I was a minority my whole life growing up anyways. All my schools in LA had only 10-15% white people, and still I was told that blacks and latinos are "minorities" I didn't get it. Affirmative action is bullshit and discriminatory and makes no sense.

[millwad]

Isnt Cali labeled as the first failed state of U.S.?

Still way better than Bulgaria, haha..

http://www.novinite.com/media/images/2011-08/photo_verybig_131474.jpg

[fiddy]

Still way better than Bulgaria, haha..


Thats the future of Europe, she probably has 5 or 6 kids, only matter of time before they move to your pussified country.

[dr.hee]

Thats the future of Europe, she probably has 5 or 6 kids, only matter of time before they move to your pussified country.

How can this be the future of Europe when the average number of children per woman is lower in Bulgaria than in the major European countries? When there are only around 7 million Bulgarians in the first place who could potentially emigrate? There are 730 million Europeans in totals, so even if like half of Bulgaria decided to suddenly emigrate, it would hardly make a difference.

I'm from Germany, and there is a lot of hate against immigrants from countries like Romania and Bulgaria right now, even thought they have pretty good employment numbers and contribute to society. Still a lot of racist xenophobe dipshits around:facepalm

[fiddy]

How can this be the future of Europe when the average number of children per woman is lower in Bulgaria than in the major European countries? When there are only around 7 million Bulgarians in the first place who could potentially emigrate? There are 730 million Europeans in totals, so even if like half of Bulgaria decided to suddenly emigrate, it would hardly make a difference.

I'm from Germany, and there is a lot of hate against immigrants from countries like Romania and Bulgaria right now, even thought they have pretty good employment numbers and contribute to society. Still a lot of racist xenophobe dipshits around:facepalm
How this is the future of Europe?

After the fall of the communism/sociliasm (whatever you want to call it) people in Bulgaria stopped having kids or one max, because of the poor economic situation. A trend that is till going on. There are about 5 million people that have already immigrated from Bulgaria in the past 20-25 years after the fall of the communism. Basically out of that 5 mil majority of them are capable and skilled people that just couldnt stand the corrupted 90s. I have a friend whos father is a gynecologist in my hometown and he says that 7-8 out 10 newborns are gypsies, i believe im projected to be a minority in my own country by 2050. About the gypsies they are illiterate and lazy. They have plenty of kids and rely on welfare while they do nothing. As their numbers increase more and more of them will move to other European countries. And they are making quite a bad name for us and its very frustrating to hear UK prime minister talking about immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania, while they hold bulgarian and romanian citizenship they dont belong to those ethnicities.


http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=136028


There was a case on the news, several months ago about a gypsy couple that had applied for welfare in the UK and they stated they have 8 kids and were receiving thousands of pounds per month. The problem? Their kids werent in the UK but were still living in Bulgaria and the scheme got exposed after several months, and everyone starts pointing out fingers its the Bulgarians and Romanians leaching the welfare system.

[Draz]

Lol. You Guys would be surprised how much money mechanics make. At one point my father was making as much as a doctor. The only problem is the physical toll it took on him. He would be out in the coldest weather 24-7. It all depends on your situation and who you're working for.

I wouldn't be surprised if these Latinos made a decent living if they didn't already on that field alone.

[Nick Young]

Lol. You Guys would be surprised how much money mechanics make. At one point my father was making as much as a doctor. The only problem is the physical toll it took on him. He would be out in the coldest weather 24-7. It all depends on your situation and who you're working for.

I wouldn't be surprised if these Latinos made a decent living if they didn't already on that field alone.
Yeah I dont get why mechanics and electricians and plummers are looked down on by society, these are good jobs that require a lot of knowledge and pay well.

[dr.hee]

How this is the future of Europe?

After the fall of the communism/sociliasm (whatever you want to call it) people in Bulgaria stopped having kids or one max, because of the poor economic situation. A trend that is till going on. There are about 5 million people that have already immigrated from Bulgaria in the past 20-25 years after the fall of the communism. Basically out of that 5 mil majority of them are capable and skilled people that just couldnt stand the corrupted 90s. I have a friend whos father is a gynecologist in my hometown and he says that 7-8 out 10 newborns are gypsies, i believe im projected to be a minority in my own country by 2050. About the gypsies they are illiterate and lazy. They have plenty of kids and rely on welfare while they do nothing. As their numbers increase more and more of them will move to other European countries. And they are making quite a bad name for us and its very frustrating to hear UK prime minister talking about immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania, while they hold bulgarian and romanian citizenship they dont belong to those ethnicities.


http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=136028


There was a case on the news, several months ago about a gypsy couple that had applied for welfare in the UK and they stated they have 8 kids and were receiving thousands of pounds per month. The problem? Their kids werent in the UK but were still living in Bulgaria and the scheme got exposed after several months, and everyone starts pointing out fingers its the Bulgarians and Romanians leaching the welfare system.

Do you think that the increase of the gypsy population in Bulgaria will really pose a demographic problem in the long run? As far as I know, it has increased, but it's only around 5% right now...something between 300,00 and 400,000 I believe. Don't see how this should ever pose a bigger threat than the vast number of equally uneducated and underqualified people every nation has to deal with anyway.

The problem is that gypsyies get discriminated regardless of their willingness to integrate. At least in Germany. If they try, they're still viewed as the lazy, uneducated outsider.

[fiddy]

Do you think that the increase of the gypsy population in Bulgaria will really pose a demographic problem in the long run? As far as I know, it has increased, but it's only around 5% right now...something between 300,00 and 400,000 I believe. Don't see how this should ever pose a bigger threat than the vast number of equally uneducated and underqualified people every nation has to deal with anyway.

The problem is that gypsyies get discriminated regardless of their willingness to integrate. At least in Germany. If they try, they're still viewed as the lazy, uneducated outsider.
I believe their actual number is closer to a million. They have kids as young as 14-15 in some cases. There was a case about a grandmother that was 28 years old. The data is pretty skewed from the last census and generally i think they do pose a demographic thread. Integration is a complete failure IMO, most of the money spent (EU money in some cases) are just siphoned with zero results.

Our house of representatives consists of 240 members, one of them is gypsy

http://kichashki.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/bat_sali.jpg

[Draz]

Plumbers can make up to six figures. Their least respected. I can understand why. But, I wouldn't doubt if these people truly wanted to make money they can go into trade.

[Just2McFly]

Smarter and more innovative. Naturally these are people that are more likely to have high paying professions.

And Even for these professional African athletes who have the money..... How common is it for these guys to go bankrupt even after making millions of dollars? Spending it all on dumb shit and losing it just as fast as they made it.... Obviously this doesn't apply to ALL, but I bet this is much more common in african athletes as opposed to Europeans. Would definetly be interested in those statistics...
:roll:

[Ratnik]

Thats the future of Europe, she probably has 5 or 6 kids, only matter of time before they move to your pussified country.
More like our future :facepalm The future of Europe are muslims.

[Akrazotile]

The simple answer: They were here first. It will take a few generations before blacks and hispanics accumulate the kind of wealth that's equal to the kind of wealth that white America has today.



It's not because Europeans were here first and it's not going to change in a few generations.

First of all, Hispanics are mostly native peoples! They were here way before Europeans. At the very least, they're almost all mixed between native and european.

Although Anglo culture has evolved since, say, the 1700s, there is still a general culture of education, hard work, conformity, and stability that gets passed on from generation to generation and that's what leads to financial success. Asians and Indians come here and follow the same pathway, even when they come from parents who had very little upon arriving in America, and they make it.

Blacks and Hispanics have a MUCH higher rate of young people caught up in a chest-thumping, mean-mugging, fist-swinging, bling-rockin, back-talkin, counterproductive culture. Oh.... And they have kids when they're like 15.

Trust me. Success is not going to just magically diffuse to them because a few more generations have gone by. Nothing is going to change if they don't change. And they don't seem to be in too much of a hurry to do so.

[tomSR.]

More like our future :facepalm The future of Europe are muslims.

May God forbid it

[Akrazotile]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/dd/ddf0b0380123633f361a3e56271bf6ebbef8da728c1e0f6a57 f3556bef20009f.jpg


:oldlol:


Actually they're not really stealing many white yobs because white people have less kids now anyway so there is less supply of labor force, particularly the service industry. Immigrants basically just pick up where whites left off... I just like that meme tho. LOL @ yobs.

[Akrazotile]

May God forbid it


Allahu akbar!

[tomSR.]

Still way better than Bulgaria, haha..

http://www.novinite.com/media/images/2011-08/photo_verybig_131474.jpg

sweden is worse........completely taken over by musilms

[tomSR.]

Allahu akbar!

nah......good will win over evil in the end game

[-p.tiddy-]

White people may be in the minority by numbers, but not by power. The aspect of power balance has a much further ways to go.
yep

this is why white people that are bothered by this shouldn't be...(not that they should be bothered either way)

the US could be 90% latino but who cares if whites still have 90% of the money...

[MightyWhitey]

Gotta love the staggering racism in the comments section.


Truth is, racists are going down the drain kicking an screaming. But truth is....there isn't shit they can do about it.


Claiming the USA will "become a third world country" as if it's people of color ruining this country and not greedy corporations.

What do greedy corporations have to do with making the USA a 3rd world country? Do you even have any inkling how the economy works? How does a large 'greedy corporation' like Apple or Intel ruin this country?

Uneducated comments like these are prevalent because of sheer ignorance. Large corporations exist in this country due to capitalism. Look this word up and then make a sound argument.

[MightyWhitey]

yep

this is why white people that are bothered by this shouldn't be...(not that they should be bothered either way)

the US could be 90% latino but who cares if whites still have 90% of the money...

This is purely idiotic. Remember that America is a Capitalist country. This isn't Cuba. If you want to be a millionaire you have every chance at it. No one said it would be easy. Just ask Carlos Slim, Jay Z, Oprah, P-Diddy, Michael Jordan, etc.

[chosen_one6]

This is purely idiotic. Remember that America is a Capitalist country. This isn't Cuba. If you want to be a millionaire you have every chance at it. No one said it would be easy. Just ask Carlos Slim, Jay Z, Oprah, P-Diddy, Michael Jordan, etc.

Either entertainers or sports players. THAT'S the problem with our young colored youth. We're not teaching them how to survive in this capitalist state by giving them more access to higher education and better books. We're teaching them that the only way to succeed in this country is to be an entertainer for the white man.

[-p.tiddy-]

This is purely idiotic. Remember that America is a Capitalist country. This isn't Cuba. If you want to be a millionaire you have every chance at it. No one said it would be easy. Just ask Carlos Slim, Jay Z, Oprah, P-Diddy, Michael Jordan, etc.


you misunderstood or something, what I am saying is...

http://anticap.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/race-wealth-2010.jpg

http://www.newthinktank.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Net-Worth-Race.png



even though whites might be the minority by definition, they won't be seen as the minority until they are the ones without money

[-p.tiddy-]

Either entertainers or sports players. THAT'S the problem with our young colored youth. We're not teaching them how to survive in this capitalist state by giving them more access to higher education and better books. We're teaching them that the only way to succeed in this country is to be an entertainer for the white man.
exactly


there needs to be "rich black neighborhoods" that are full of doctors and lawyers...but that doesn't exist

[MightyWhitey]

White people may be in the minority by numbers, but not by power. The aspect of power balance has a much further ways to go.

The Black president that's in the White House right now was voted in by White people, not just by PoC. This "balance or power" nonsense is stupid because the Majority by numbers are White. Why wouldn't they hold more positions in power? This argument would also fail in countries like Canada, Australia, the U.K., and most of Europe.

[CP3MVP]

This is purely idiotic. Remember that America is a Capitalist country. This isn't Cuba. If you want to be a millionaire you have every chance at it. No one said it would be easy. Just ask Carlos Slim, Jay Z, Oprah, P-Diddy, Michael Jordan, etc.
Either entertainers or sports players. THAT'S the problem with our young colored youth. We're not teaching them how to survive in this capitalist state by giving them more access to higher education and better books. We're teaching them that the only way to succeed in this country is to be an entertainer for the white man.

Carlos Slim is a great entertainer.

[MightyWhitey]

Either entertainers or sports players. THAT'S the problem with our young colored youth. We're not teaching them how to survive in this capitalist state by giving them more access to higher education and better books. We're teaching them that the only way to succeed in this country is to be an entertainer for the white man.

McDonalds CEO is black - http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/our_company/leadership/don_thompson.html

Xerox CEO is black - http://www.xerox.com/about-xerox/executive-leadership/ceo/enus.html

There are plenty more. Instead of drawing racial lines like "we need to teach black children...." why is it so difficult to say we should teach American children to be better?

[MightyWhitey]

The one thing no one has asked is how many of these Mexican's in California are legal US citizens. Well,,, how many?

[chosen_one6]

McDonalds CEO is black - http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/our_company/leadership/don_thompson.html

Xerox CEO is black - http://www.xerox.com/about-xerox/executive-leadership/ceo/enus.html

There are plenty more. Instead of drawing racial lines like "we need to teach black children...." why is it so difficult to say we should teach American children to be better?

I said young colored youth, not just young black kids. Although I agree that our educational system should be better for all, lower classes have less access to higher education with budgets cuts and whatnot, and the lower classes of our society tend to have more colored folk.

Just because you named a few examples does not change the fact that the majority of wealth in this country is in the hands of white people. That is a fact and likely won't change any time soon.

[Mr. Jabbar]

the world needs more guillermos from jimmy kimmel :applause: :bowdown:

[andgar923]

exactly


there needs to be "rich black neighborhoods" that are full of doctors and lawyers...but that doesn't exist

There's neighborhoods that are almost exclusively black all over L.A.:confusedshrug:

Same thing with Latin neighborhoods.

[-p.tiddy-]

There's neighborhoods that are almost exclusively black all over L.A.:confusedshrug:

Same thing with Latin neighborhoods.
upper class neighborhoods?

there are exclusivley black/white/asian/latino/etc neighborhoods all over the country, but the "rich neighborhoods" are primarily white

[andgar923]

upper class neighborhoods?

there are exclusivley black/white/asian/latino/etc neighborhoods all over the country, but the "rich neighborhoods" are primarily white
That's what I meant, my bad for not being clear.

But yeah, there's upper middle class to rich neighborhoods in L.A. that are basically exclusively either all black or brown. They might be small pockets, but they do exist.

Btw....

(not addressed at you)

One of the main (if not THE main reason) for class inequality, is due to a racist system that's been in place since forever.

hell.... certain 'white' or European ethnicities were at one point or another profiled and stopped from advancing. But you can only do that so much with white people I suppose. A racist system has been put into place that has just been breaking down over the pat 2 decades or so. And even then, there's still a way to go because breaking generations of prejudiced views is hard to overcome over a short span.

[Akrazotile]

And even then, there's still a way to go because breaking generations of prejudiced views is hard to overcome over a short span.


It really has nothing to do with that. Companies are SCRAMBLING to find more minority candidates to put into management positions. I know people who work for banks and software companies that have been told in meetings they can't hire a particular position until they find a black guy. The last thing these corporations want is for an article to be put in the NY Times about how they have no minority people in any positions of authority. They're literally passing over qualified, suitable candidates to wait for minorities. Schools have like quotas to accept 20% black students, even if only 10% that apply have qualifying GPA's. It's ridiculous.

Yes, perceptions change more slowly. Which is also probably why white runningbacks and cornerbacks can't get a scout to look at them, and the public laughs at almost every white rapper. And I totally grant that historical exclusion from white establishments has contributed to the divergence of white and black cultures.

But the system has changed pretty quickly and gives minorities EVERY opportunity to succeed. Imagine if the NFL instituted a system where 15% of the league's runningbacks and defensive backs had to be white, and the music industry did the same thing for hip hop artists. Then you would have what's going on in the business world.

[bagelred]

My god, what is happening. Before you know it, they will change the city name of The Angels, California to it's Spanish name, whatever that might be....god help us.

[Akrazotile]

My god, what is happening. Before you know it, they will change the city name of The Angels, California to it's Spanish name, whatever that might be....god help us.

Now see here, that aint gonna happen 'less its over my dead body. We gonna keep our cities and states with their rightful WHITE names, like Colorado and Oklahoma. T'aint no other language thats appropriate for it in MERICA!

[Nick Young]

It's not because Europeans were here first and it's not going to change in a few generations.

First of all, Hispanics are mostly native peoples! They were here way before Europeans. At the very least, they're almost all mixed between native and european.

LOL WTF? The very name HISPANIC implies Spanish which means white European.

Mexicans in particular are a mix of white Europeans and diluted native American population that has mostly been dead for the past 100 years atleast.

"Hispanics" as a people, if you use the word to describe Central and South Americans only came to be POST-European colonization and invasion. You can't have a Hispanic without a Spaniard somewhere in there.

[andgar923]

LOL WTF? The very name HISPANIC implies Spanish which means white European.

Mexicans in particular are a mix of white Europeans and diluted native American population that has mostly been dead for the past 100 years atleast.

"Hispanics" as a people, if you use the word to describe Central and South Americans only came to be POST-European colonization and invasion. You can't have a Hispanic without a Spaniard somewhere in there.

Oh.. one of those posts :rolleyes:

[andgar923]

Los Angeles Del Taco

Del Taco is 'white' people food, even black folks know that.

It'll be more like 'Los Angeles El Unico' (L.A. heads know that)

[Akrazotile]

LOL WTF? The very name HISPANIC implies Spanish which means white European.



Thats true in terms of origin, but the name today is used to describe anyone who grew up speaking Spanish as a first language. This includes many people south of the border who have far more Native American ancestry than European.

And on a practical level, we all know that in any discussion of American demographics, 99% of the time the word 'hispanic' is used it is in reference to brownies.

[DonDadda59]

That's what I meant, my bad for not being clear.

But yeah, there's upper middle class to rich neighborhoods in L.A. that are basically exclusively either all black or brown. They might be small pockets, but they do exist.

Btw....

(not addressed at you)

One of the main (if not THE main reason) for class inequality, is due to a racist system that's been in place since forever.

hell.... certain 'white' or European ethnicities were at one point or another profiled and stopped from advancing. But you can only do that so much with white people I suppose. A racist system has been put into place that has just been breaking down over the pat 2 decades or so. And even then, there's still a way to go because breaking generations of prejudiced views is hard to overcome over a short span.

This is what a lot of people in privileged positions (even if they don't realize they're in that position because to them it's just all they've ever known) don't understand for some odd reason. The majority of people who have wealth in America, or the World in general, are usually a product of said wealth being passed down through the generations. Now how exactly is a particular group of people who are the descendant of slaves, forced laborers, etc who were denied civil rights (education, land ownership, jobs, etc) until what... the late 60s-70s, supposed to have accumulated wealth in their families? :oldlol:

How do you think ghettos even came to existence? You think all the Black/Brown people in every major city all got together somehow and decided to live together in specific, rundown sections of town? Look up the History of redlining, especially in regard to Real Estate.

This country's History is based on exploiting the labor of people of color to build wealth, infrastructure, etc for WASPs. Said wealth was accumulated and passed down through the generations. But the Black, Brown, Yellow, etc people never saw a dime of that and were denied the most basic of rights. It was a systematic and overt effort to keep these people poor, uneducated, and without power.

So yeah, it'll take a little longer than from the birth of disco era to right those wrongs en masse. Now if Sherman had gotten his way and freed slaves had gotten their forty acres and a mule back in the reconstruction era, things would look very different today. But that was a pipe dream.

[Nick Young]

Del Taco is 'white' people food, even black folks know that.

Not true bruh. I've seen many a gardener and construction worker walk into Del Taco and order a huge number of fiesta packs to bring back to their homies. Not to mention Taco Tuesdays it's always packed with latinos.

You actually from LA doe bruh?

[knickballer]

LOL WTF? The very name HISPANIC implies Spanish which means white European.

Mexicans in particular are a mix of white Europeans and diluted native American population that has mostly been dead for the past 100 years atleast.

"Hispanics" as a people, if you use the word to describe Central and South Americans only came to be POST-European colonization and invasion. You can't have a Hispanic without a Spaniard somewhere in there.

yea and the whole "They were there before us" argument is over exaggerated.
1) California and pretty much the whole Southwest was uninhabited for the most part until colonization of settlers so technically they really weren't living there before.
2) Before it was a part of Mexico it was a part of Spain so you can make the argument that Spaniards were the original owners but of course that sounds dumb...
3) Hispanic does not mean Mexican. So when people from El Salvador, Ecuador, etc, live there it doesn't mean that's there "ancestral homeland".. Americans just assume "It was there's first!".. Not really since people from a central American country like Ecuador has no roots to the land and I'm sure they don't want to be labeled as Mexican either..

Either way I don't give a crap and INB4 I get called a racist

[Nick Young]

even in Mexico, mexicans hate the native indians and are racist as hell towards them, even though most of them have atleast some indian native blood even though its from really really far back.

[HeatFanSince88]

One of the main (if not THE main reason) for class inequality, is due to a racist system that's been in place since forever.

hell.... certain 'white' or European ethnicities were at one point or another profiled and stopped from advancing. But you can only do that so much with white people I suppose. A racist system has been put into place that has just been breaking down over the pat 2 decades or so. And even then, there's still a way to go because breaking generations of prejudiced views is hard to overcome over a short span.

You mean like giving blacks scholarships/jobs over candidates with superior qualifications with the sole reason being that they are black?

Or do you honestly think that black males get arrested for no reason at all? I take it you are either black yourself, or have little experience with african american neighborhoods. Racial crime statistics are so bad in regards to Africans/hispanics that they put hispanics down as white(and even some blacks!) just so they don't get pressure from these "black activist groups" if the real statistics came out. The real truth is that white/asian crime is nearly non-existent. See this image for what classifies as "white" these days.

http://i.imgur.com/UUge8RA.jpg

The problem is strictly in black culture. Glorification of "thugs", no fathers in the house, have as many kids as possible, drugs, no emphasis on education. And don't give me that shit about it being due to what's in their bank account. There are plenty of black athletes who have more money than anyone on this site, yet act the exact same way.

[-p.tiddy-]

That's what I meant, my bad for not being clear.

But yeah, there's upper middle class to rich neighborhoods in L.A. that are basically exclusively either all black or brown. They might be small pockets, but they do exist.

Btw....

(not addressed at you)

One of the main (if not THE main reason) for class inequality, is due to a racist system that's been in place since forever.

hell.... certain 'white' or European ethnicities were at one point or another profiled and stopped from advancing. But you can only do that so much with white people I suppose. A racist system has been put into place that has just been breaking down over the pat 2 decades or so. And even then, there's still a way to go because breaking generations of prejudiced views is hard to overcome over a short span.
I'll be honest, I wasn't aware of that...

however, reading up on that...

10 of the Richest Black Communities in America (http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/01/03/10-richest-black-communities-america/5/)

^^^the richest black neighborhood in the US according to this site (which is in LA actually) has "an average family income of $159,168"

compared to this

The 25 Richest Neighborhoods In America (http://www.businessinsider.com/richest-neighborhoods-in-america-2011-5#25-rockdale-estatescutler-bay-estates-in-pinecrest-fl-1)

"$388,671 is the mean household income" for number 25 on that list

"$585,925 is the mean household income." for numero uno


edit: I didn't bother to look up latino neighborhoods though...and I am sure there are some asian hoods that are right up there

[ace23]

I remember that Baldwin Hills show on BET. Lol

Also, Ladera Heights is another rich, majority ***** community in LA

[-p.tiddy-]

the top-3 richest black neighborhoods are all in Cali

and then #4-#8 are all in Maryland, that's weird to me...black peeps need to move to Maryland I guess lol

#9 and #10 are both in NY



I'm not aware of anything like that existing in Dallas...don't think we have any rich black hoods here

[KingBeasley08]

the top-3 richest black neighborhoods are all in Cali

and then #4-#8 are all in Maryland, that's weird to me...black peeps need to move to Maryland I guess lol

#9 and #10 are both in NY



I'm not aware of anything like that existing in Dallas...don't think we have any rich black hoods here
Maryland is the richest state in the country in general. We da bess

[Spell&Grammer]

Thats the future of Europe, she probably has 5 or 6 kids, only matter of time before they move to your pussified country.

*you're

-Spell&Grammer

[Akrazotile]

and then #4-#8 are all in Maryland, that's weird to me...black peeps need to move to Maryland I guess lol



Its cause Maryland is near The District, where all the gubment jobs are, but its not inside The District so the gun laws arent as strict :oldlol:




Jk jk. Sort of.

[Akrazotile]

Maryland is the richest state in the country in general. We da bess


Yep. Its no surprise either, considering practically the entire state is coastline.

[Balla_Status]

Who cares about ****ing Maryland? It's a non-state.

[CP3MVP]

Baltimore, Maryland: 7th Most Dangerous U.S. City (http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/7-baltimore/)

Cumberland, Maryland: one of the poorest in the United States, ranking 305th out of 318 metropolitan areas in per capita income. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/america-richest-poorest-cities-165424993.html)

[ROCSteady]

Who cares about ****ing Maryland? It's a non-state.

:roll: Dude you literally are a walking stereotype. All that studying you have done and you still have shit for brains when it comes to the American landscape.

The government gets a bad wrap but many of the actual people that influence this country, the source of POWER in America reside in Maryland....actual pull of the nation's future or doom. One of the world's best medical institutions/ universities is in Maryland

I've been through Texas and much of it is a miserable, flat desolate, uninspired and borderline wasteland. Places that can't even grow any greenery. Just brown crispy miserable plant life everywhere

So many fatasses in your state too

[niko]

the top-3 richest black neighborhoods are all in Cali

and then #4-#8 are all in Maryland, that's weird to me...black peeps need to move to Maryland I guess lol

#9 and #10 are both in NY



I'm not aware of anything like that existing in Dallas...don't think we have any rich black hoods here
The neighborhoods that are rich in NY with blacks got gentrified and the property values went up. Which is funny because people fought to the death practically to not allow that to happen because it would push out locals, but a lot of people stayed and the neighborhoods are so much better.

Not sure i would call them hoods, they sure don't look like hoods.

[ROCSteady]

Cumberland, Maryland: one of the poorest in the United States, ranking 305th out of 318 metropolitan areas in per capita income. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/america-richest-poorest-cities-165424993.html)

I've driven through Cumberland many times. It's like being in a different world.

They have a really cool/throwback landscape and architecture but those people are noticeably less 'advanced' than even other shitty, run down towns. It's kinda bizarre.

All that town can hold it's hat on is having a really good football team that has churned out a lot of Div I recruits. They worship that H.S. team, kinda pathetic

[Akrazotile]

Baltimore, Maryland: 7th Most Dangerous U.S. City (http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/7-baltimore/)




It aint called Bodymore Murdaland for nothin

[Balla_Status]

:roll: Dude you literally are a walking stereotype. All that studying you have done and you still have shit for brains when it comes to the American landscape.

The government gets a bad wrap but many of the actual people that influence this country, the source of POWER in America reside in Maryland....actual pull of the nation's future or doom. One of the world's best medical institutions/ universities is in Maryland

I've been through Texas and much of it is a miserable, flat desolate, uninspired and borderline wasteland. Places that can't even grow any greenery. Just brown crispy miserable plant life everywhere

So many fatasses in your state too

You're really easy to mess with dude.

There's a lot of shitty places and fatasses in Texas but you must've never been to Austin. I don't even live in Texas. It doesn't seem like the best place to live as a young single male in his 20s unless you're in Austin.

According to my fellow workmate here in Australia, all the women are fat and/or married in Houston. And the top two things to do in Houston are go to Austin and visit New Orleans. I don't want to live in Texas unless I happen to get married and have a family. I obviously have a good time in Texas regardless of where I go because I have friends and family there.

The wasteland part is very wrong though. Anyways, I can agree with you that Texas can be a bit uninspiring if you go to the wrong places. You can easily find shit to do in other states/cities because its all just...there and easy to get to. Not so much in Texas.

[MightyWhitey]

I said young colored youth, not just young black kids. Although I agree that our educational system should be better for all, lower classes have less access to higher education with budgets cuts and whatnot, and the lower classes of our society tend to have more colored folk.

Just because you named a few examples does not change the fact that the majority of wealth in this country is in the hands of white people. That is a fact and likely won't change any time soon.
So does it upset you that the majority in America are the wealthiest?

[Patrick Chewing]

What excuse do blacks have where they know the language and have been here for much longer? And there are even racist policies such as affirmative action and certain scholarships that reward them based purely on their race.


This is merely a leadership problem and a cultural one. There is no leadership in the black community. And when I say there are no leaders, I mean there are no leaders that convey the truth to their fellow black man and woman. What we have are leaders that profiteer off of misinformation and the very same poverty that their brothers and sisters are in.

Never in the history of America has it been better for Blacks to thrive. As every day passes, opportunities increase over time. The problem is that their leadership is afraid to turn against their fellow brethren and tell them to their face that it's their own fault they're in the situation they're in. What you have is lying politicians and race-baiters that will swear up and down that the white man or that a political party is holding them down. This is a blatant lie of epic proportions.

As far as the cultural aspect goes, once again there are no leaders out there with a strong enough message explaining to inner city youths that a career in sports or the music industry is as realistic as unicorns and leprechauns.

[ROCSteady]

You're really easy to mess with dude.

There's a lot of shitty places and fatasses in Texas but you must've never been to Austin. I don't even live in Texas. It doesn't seem like the best place to live as a young single male in his 20s unless you're in Austin.

According to my fellow workmate here in Australia, all the women are fat and/or married in Houston. And the top two things to do in Houston are go to Austin and visit New Orleans. I don't want to live in Texas unless I happen to get married and have a family. I obviously have a good time in Texas regardless of where I go because I have friends and family there.

The wasteland part is very wrong though. Anyways, I can agree with you that Texas can be a bit uninspiring if you go to the wrong places. You can easily find shit to do in other states/cities because its all just...there and easy to get to. Not so much in Texas.

Austin gets nothing but :rockon: from me.

Sexy women, promotion of films/music. I luv San Antonio too. A lot of Texas just looks so hopeless and barren. I've driven through the entire state. It's terribly homogonous for such a big proud state.

[Balla_Status]

Austin gets nothing but :rockon: from me.

Sexy women, promotion of films/music. I luv San Antonio too. A lot of Texas just looks so hopeless and barren. I've driven through the entire state. It's terribly homogonous for such a big proud state.

That's cool mayne. There are differences between each part of the state but I can see how you would think they might be the same.

[MightyWhitey]

It really has nothing to do with that. Companies are SCRAMBLING to find more minority candidates to put into management positions. I know people who work for banks and software companies that have been told in meetings they can't hire a particular position until they find a black guy. The last thing these corporations want is for an article to be put in the NY Times about how they have no minority people in any positions of authority. They're literally passing over qualified, suitable candidates to wait for minorities. Schools have like quotas to accept 20% black students, even if only 10% that apply have qualifying GPA's. It's ridiculous.

Yes, perceptions change more slowly. Which is also probably why white runningbacks and cornerbacks can't get a scout to look at them, and the public laughs at almost every white rapper. And I totally grant that historical exclusion from white establishments has contributed to the divergence of white and black cultures.

But the system has changed pretty quickly and gives minorities EVERY opportunity to succeed. Imagine if the NFL instituted a system where 15% of the league's runningbacks and defensive backs had to be white, and the music industry did the same thing for hip hop artists. Then you would have what's going on in the business world.
Bump. This is so true.

[mlh1981]

Austin gets nothing but :rockon: from me.

Sexy women, promotion of films/music. I luv San Antonio too. A lot of Texas just looks so hopeless and barren. I've driven through the entire state. It's terribly homogonous for such a big proud state.

Going to Texas for the first time ever in May for a wedding. Austin, specifically. Heard so much about it. Can't wait to check it out for myself.

[MightyWhitey]

This is what a lot of people in privileged positions (even if they don't realize they're in that position because to them it's just all they've ever known) don't understand for some odd reason. The majority of people who have wealth in America, or the World in general, are usually a product of said wealth being passed down through the generations. Now how exactly is a particular group of people who are the descendant of slaves, forced laborers, etc who were denied civil rights (education, land ownership, jobs, etc) until what... the late 60s-70s, supposed to have accumulated wealth in their families? :oldlol:

How do you think ghettos even came to existence? You think all the Black/Brown people in every major city all got together somehow and decided to live together in specific, rundown sections of town? Look up the History of redlining, especially in regard to Real Estate.

This country's History is based on exploiting the labor of people of color to build wealth, infrastructure, etc for WASPs. Said wealth was accumulated and passed down through the generations. But the Black, Brown, Yellow, etc people never saw a dime of that and were denied the most basic of rights. It was a systematic and overt effort to keep these people poor, uneducated, and without power.

So yeah, it'll take a little longer than from the birth of disco era to right those wrongs en masse. Now if Sherman had gotten his way and freed slaves had gotten their forty acres and a mule back in the reconstruction era, things would look very different today. But that was a pipe dream.
That is the biggest bunch of nonsense I think I have read on this topic so far. Next thing you're gonna tell us is that the Lunar shuttle was an invention stolen from a black man :rolleyes: Ok let's get something straight. The majority of a country (White people) happen to have the wealthiest people. And??? Your point is??? Should I cry that my parents who came from Europe should have bought 3 houses instead of 2?
Playing the victim and crying foul won't change the fact that right now Black people have an opportunity to attain wealth. Just because Black people were slaves is not a good excuse anymore. The region of Europe my family derives from was under Ottoman Muslim rule for 5 centuries. They were freed in 1913. They don't blame 5 centuries worth of slavery for their ill being today. They either put up or shut up. Crying and waiting for a hand me down won't push your legacy far.

[Akrazotile]

There is no leadership in the black community. And when I say there are no leaders, I mean there are no leaders that convey the truth to their fellow black man and woman.


I think what you mean to say is parents.


Or at least that's what I mean to say.

[MightyWhitey]

This is merely a leadership problem and a cultural one. There is no leadership in the black community. And when I say there are no leaders, I mean there are no leaders that convey the truth to their fellow black man and woman. What we have are leaders that profiteer off of misinformation and the very same poverty that their brothers and sisters are in.

Never in the history of America has it been better for Blacks to thrive. As every day passes, opportunities increase over time. The problem is that their leadership is afraid to turn against their fellow brethren and tell them to their face that it's their own fault they're in the situation they're in. What you have is lying politicians and race-baiters that will swear up and down that the white man or that a political party is holding them down. This is a blatant lie of epic proportions.

As far as the cultural aspect goes, once again there are no leaders out there with a strong enough message explaining to inner city youths that a career in sports or the music industry is as realistic as unicorns and leprechauns.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson but he seems to have his head on straight and seems genuinely forthright.

[ROCSteady]

Going to Texas for the first time ever in May for a wedding. Austin, specifically. Heard so much about it. Can't wait to check it out for myself.

If you luv beautiful women, party atmosphere, cultural appreciation, some heat and terrible entry traffic (no hmoz) Austin is the city for you

[CelticBaller]

nah im part of the majority

[Akrazotile]

That is the biggest bunch of nonsense I think I have read on this topic so far. Next thing you're gonna tell us is that the Lunar shuttle was an invention stolen from a black man :rolleyes: Ok let's get something straight. The majority of a country (White people) happen to have the wealthiest people. And??? Your point is??? Should I cry that my parents who came from Europe should have bought 3 houses instead of 2?
Playing the victim and crying foul won't change the fact that right now Black people have an opportunity to attain wealth. Just because Black people were slaves is not a good excuse anymore. The region of Europe my family derives from was under Ottoman Muslim rule for 5 centuries. They were freed in 1913. They don't blame 5 centuries worth of slavery for their ill being today. They either put up or shut up. Crying and waiting for a hand me down won't push your legacy far.


Well there's no arguing that minorities were exploited through slavery and other means by SOME of the settlers in early America and by the government itself as he mentioned, but let's not make it out as if every white man owned a plantation. Slaves were held by a very small number of individuals. Most white immigrants who came to this land did so with little or no means whatsoever, and set up shop. Granted the mere freedom to do that is more than what slaves had, but still.... MOST white immigrants in early America made and sustained their way through sheer effort. And that's what has been passed down. It's not that every white person in America is descended from John Rockefeller. It's just that regardless of how wealthy their background is, it probably derives at some point from a culture of work.

There's no doubt it's a unique position black people are in. They're the only group that didn't willfully emigrate here. Not only that, but because they all came from differing areas of tribal Africa, most of them didn't even have a common culture with the other blacks they worked alongside at first. Or even a common language. So there's no doubt that put them behind the 8 ball.

But... what is there left to do at this point? It's been proven that giving things to people does not motivate them, it satisfies them. This is a proven fact. There's little left that "the white man"/government can do. The laws of equality and in some cases even favoritism for minorities are in place. Pointing to the past is fine and dandy but what good does that do now? Everyone in America has been given the tools as far as the government can give them. The rest is on individual communities, families, and individuals. Sure it'll take some time. But the ball is really in their court now.

[KingBeasley08]

Who cares about ****ing Maryland? It's a non-state.
We're rich as fvck. All the other states got a shit ton of poor people. Us privileged folks don't even know what that is :banana:

Just kidding lol. But I'm in Pennsylvania now and it's a huge difference when you leave State College. MD too nice

[Akrazotile]

According to my fellow workmate here in Australia, all the women are fat and/or married in Houston.


Was in Houston recently and this is very, sadly true except the one redeeming thing is that Houston has more Asian chicks than any other city in the south and Azn's are the only race left in America whose chicks don't look like defensive tackles by the time they're 25.

[Balla_Status]

Was in Houston recently and this is very, sadly true except the one redeeming thing is that Houston has more Asian chicks than any other city in the south and Azn's are the only race left in America whose chicks don't look like defensive tackles by the time they're 25.

What to know something unexpected? Houston is the first city with an openly gay mayor.

ONLY IN TEXAS AMIRITE?

[Go Getter]

It really has nothing to do with that. Companies are SCRAMBLING to find more minority candidates to put into management positions. I know people who work for banks and software companies that have been told in meetings they can't hire a particular position until they find a black guy. The last thing these corporations want is for an article to be put in the NY Times about how they have no minority people in any positions of authority. They're literally passing over qualified, suitable candidates to wait for minorities. Schools have like quotas to accept 20% black students, even if only 10% that apply have qualifying GPA's. It's ridiculous.

Yes, perceptions change more slowly. Which is also probably why white runningbacks and cornerbacks can't get a scout to look at them, and the public laughs at almost every white rapper. And I totally grant that historical exclusion from white establishments has contributed to the divergence of white and black cultures.

But the system has changed pretty quickly and gives minorities EVERY opportunity to succeed. Imagine if the NFL instituted a system where 15% of the league's runningbacks and defensive backs had to be white, and the music industry did the same thing for hip hop artists. Then you would have what's going on in the business world.
:roll: What a moron:roll:


Guys like this always have a friend that didn't get into college because of blacks or has a friend that "has to hire blacks".....typical.

[DonDadda59]

That is the biggest bunch of nonsense I think I have read on this topic so far. Next thing you're gonna tell us is that the Lunar shuttle was an invention stolen from a black man :rolleyes: Ok let's get something straight. The majority of a country (White people) happen to have the wealthiest people. And??? Your point is??? Should I cry that my parents who came from Europe should have bought 3 houses instead of 2?
Playing the victim and crying foul won't change the fact that right now Black people have an opportunity to attain wealth. Just because Black people were slaves is not a good excuse anymore. The region of Europe my family derives from was under Ottoman Muslim rule for 5 centuries. They were freed in 1913. They don't blame 5 centuries worth of slavery for their ill being today. They either put up or shut up. Crying and waiting for a hand me down won't push your legacy far.

The point of my post went completely over your head :oldlol:

It has nothing to do with 'playing victim'. There was a systematic and overt effort to keep people of color uneducated, landless, powerless, segregated, and without the means to attain wealth. This system did not even start to dissipate until the 1960s (aka when most of the posters on this boards parents were kids/teenagers), so forget slavery. If freed slaves had been given their 40 acres and a mule, allowed to gain education, not subjected to redlining, etc. Then 'Black America' would look very different today. It will take a whole lot more than the timeline span of Paul McCartney's musical career to right centuries worth of systematic injustice. :lol

Also, probably the biggest myth out there is the idea that wealth is somehow created in a vacuum. That all it takes is hard works and pulling yourself up from your bootstraps and you'll get rich guaranteed. Absolute bullshit. The way it actually works is money is accumulated in families and passed down through generations- the children of those families, through said money/nepotism/connections/etc have benefits that those without these advantages will never know. You see it all the time in every industry- a huge number of Hollywood stars are the sons/daughters of Hollywood stars. How many of them would've reached those heights if they had started in a trailer park in Tennessee and had to work their way up out of obscurity and not just went to daddy and told him they wanted to be in their movie?

I've seen it all, believe me. I grew up in Apartheid era South Africa, moved to NYC and went to through the public school system here until middle school, went to some of the most prestigious private schools in the country. I had a friend in High School, nice guy but the biggest f*ck up you could ever meet, got shitty grades in school, not particularly bright (in my estimation). Guess what he's doing now? Venture capitalist who is one of the biggest backers of bitcoin. Guess how he got there- hard work? Nope. Determination? Nah. His father is a billionaire venture capitalist, his father was a billionaire venture capitalist, his father before him was a billionaire venture capitalist. Kid never had to work a day in his life, and didn't, but he's a 4th generation venture capitalist now. Go figure.

I'm not saying that the 'American dream' is complete bullshit, just saying it's much more easily attainable for those with major leg ups like family wealth. People like to make believe that we are a classless society but the US has its own aristocracy who have been insulated and self-perpetuating through hoarding and nepotism for centuries. To expect groups of people- who have been systematically kept uneducated, poor, voiceless/powerless by these people for just as long- to be on equal footing is absolutely ridiculous.

[Go Getter]

The point of my post went completely over your head :oldlol:

It has nothing to do with 'playing victim'. There was a systematic and overt effort to keep people of color uneducated, landless, powerless, segregated, and without the means to attain wealth. This system did not even start to dissipate until the 1960s (aka when most of the posters on this boards parents were kids/teenagers), so forget slavery. If freed slaves had been given their 40 acres and a mule, allowed to gain education, not subjected to redlining, etc. Then 'Black America' would look very different today. It will take a whole lot more than the timeline span of Paul McCartney's musical career to right centuries worth of systematic injustice. :lol

Also, probably the biggest myth out there is the idea that wealth is somehow created in a vacuum. That all it takes is hard works and pulling yourself up from your bootstraps and you'll get rich guaranteed. Absolute bullshit. The way it actually works is money is accumulated in families and passed down through generations- the children of those families, through said money/nepotism/connections/etc have benefits that those without these advantages will never know. You see it all the time in every industry- a huge number of Hollywood stars are the sons/daughters of Hollywood stars. How many of them would've reached those heights if they had started in a trailer park in Tennessee and had to work their way up out of obscurity and not just went to daddy and told him they wanted to be in their movie?

I've seen it all, believe me. I grew up in Apartheid era South Africa, moved to NYC and went to through the public school system here until middle school, went to some of the most prestigious private schools in the country. I had a friend in High School, nice guy but the biggest f*ck up you could ever meet, got shitty grades in school, not particularly bright (in my estimation). Guess what he's doing now? Venture capitalist who is one of the biggest backers of bitcoin. Guess how he got there- hard work? Nope. Determination? Nah. His father is a billionaire venture capitalist, his father was a billionaire venture capitalist, his father before him was a billionaire venture capitalist. Kid never had to work a day in his life, and didn't, but he's a 4th generation venture capitalist now. Go figure.

I'm not saying that the 'American dream' is complete bullshit, just saying it's much more easily attainable for those with major leg ups like family wealth. People like to make believe that we are a classless society but the US has its own aristocracy who have been insulated and self-perpetuating through hoarding and nepotism for centuries. To expect groups of people- who have been systematically kept uneducated, poor, voiceless/powerless by these people for just as long- to be on equal footing is absolutely ridiculous.


...But they won't hear you though.

[Bandito]

latino>>>>>

[MightyWhitey]

The point of my post went completely over your head :oldlol:

It has nothing to do with 'playing victim'. There was a systematic and overt effort to keep people of color uneducated, landless, powerless, segregated, and without the means to attain wealth. This system did not even start to dissipate until the 1960s (aka when most of the posters on this boards parents were kids/teenagers), so forget slavery. If freed slaves had been given their 40 acres and a mule, allowed to gain education, not subjected to redlining, etc. Then 'Black America' would look very different today. It will take a whole lot more than the timeline span of Paul McCartney's musical career to right centuries worth of systematic injustice. :lol

Also, probably the biggest myth out there is the idea that wealth is somehow created in a vacuum. That all it takes is hard works and pulling yourself up from your bootstraps and you'll get rich guaranteed. Absolute bullshit. The way it actually works is money is accumulated in families and passed down through generations- the children of those families, through said money/nepotism/connections/etc have benefits that those without these advantages will never know. You see it all the time in every industry- a huge number of Hollywood stars are the sons/daughters of Hollywood stars. How many of them would've reached those heights if they had started in a trailer park in Tennessee and had to work their way up out of obscurity and not just went to daddy and told him they wanted to be in their movie?

I've seen it all, believe me. I grew up in Apartheid era South Africa, moved to NYC and went to through the public school system here until middle school, went to some of the most prestigious private schools in the country. I had a friend in High School, nice guy but the biggest f*ck up you could ever meet, got shitty grades in school, not particularly bright (in my estimation). Guess what he's doing now? Venture capitalist who is one of the biggest backers of bitcoin. Guess how he got there- hard work? Nope. Determination? Nah. His father is a billionaire venture capitalist, his father was a billionaire venture capitalist, his father before him was a billionaire venture capitalist. Kid never had to work a day in his life, and didn't, but he's a 4th generation venture capitalist now. Go figure.

I'm not saying that the 'American dream' is complete bullshit, just saying it's much more easily attainable for those with major leg ups like family wealth. People like to make believe that we are a classless society but the US has its own aristocracy who have been insulated and self-perpetuating through hoarding and nepotism for centuries. To expect groups of people- who have been systematically kept uneducated, poor, voiceless/powerless by these people for just as long- to be on equal footing is absolutely ridiculous.
That's not how money works. Carlos Slim became the richest man in the world through hard work. He isn't "White" either. How did Oprah make her billions? What you are coming up with is an excuse. Similar things happened in Europe that happened in North America. Yet Europeans aren't sitting around crying foul that one particular race one upped another.
You can think that what you said went right over my head because I don't agree with your statements. But I see what you're saying. But how did the wave of European immigrants do it at the turn of the 20th century? The Irish and the Italians were certainly the most hated peoples yet they are now some of the most wealthy and successful peoples in America.

[MightyWhitey]

...But they won't hear you though.
Wrong. I hear it, I just disagree with it.

[DonDadda59]

That's not how money works. Carlos Slim became the richest man in the world through hard work.

He came from wealth. His father was a real estate magnate. Now if he had grown up in some piss poor barrio in a drug war zone in Mexico and still became a billionaire then you'd be on to something. Not to take away from the man's accomplishments but plenty of Mexicans risk their lives to come to the US and work their asses off. In some cases 12 hours per day, 7 days per week. That's hard work the likes of Slim Helu will never know anything about. Yet they aren't rich. What gives?

Donald Trump really picked himself up by his bootstraps too, right?

You can't be this naive.


He isn't "White" either.

Lebanese decent. Not exactly a 'native'.


How did Oprah make her billions? What you are coming up with is an excuse.

Obviously there's a few exceptions. Quick, name me another billionaire Black woman in America... And plenty of people of color have worked hard and have started to accumulate the sort of wealth that just a handful of decades ago was literally impossible for them to attain. There will continue to be more in the decades to come. They will be a tiny percentage of the population though (same with every race, really). Just not possible for most people that's reality. P Diddy's sons or Lebron James' sons will have a much easier time turning their parents millions into more millions or even billions ala Slim Helu though, so that's something.


Similar things happened in Europe that happened in North America. Yet Europeans aren't sitting around crying foul that one particular race one upped another.

No, not like there are any examples of Ethnic cleansing or racial/socioeconomic/religious strife in European countries, right? Stop it.


But how did the wave of European immigrants do it at the turn of the 20th century?

With good old fashioned hard work and White skin.


The Irish and the Italians were certainly the most hated peoples

:lol

Yes, those anti-Irish/Italian Jim Crow laws were a real bitch.

Stop it. You're done.

[Lamar Doom]

I like my kind of white best. My exact ethnic mixture > some other shit

[MightyWhitey]

He came from wealth. His father was a real estate magnate. Now if he had grown up in some piss poor barrio in a drug war zone in Mexico and still became a billionaire then you'd be on to something. Not to take away from the man's accomplishments but plenty of Mexicans risk their lives to come to the US and work their asses off. In some cases 12 hours per day, 7 days per week. That's hard work the likes of Slim Helu will never know anything about. Yet they aren't rich. What gives?

Donald Trump really picked himself up by his bootstraps too, right?

You can't be this naive.



Lebanese decent. Not exactly a 'native'.



Obviously there's a few exceptions. Quick, name me another billionaire Black woman in America... And plenty of people of color have worked hard and have started to accumulate the sort of wealth that just a handful of decades ago was literally impossible for them to attain. There will continue to be more in the decades to come. They will be a tiny percentage of the population though (same with every race, really). Just not possible for most people that's reality. P Diddy's sons or Lebron James' sons will have a much easier time turning their parents millions into more millions or even billions ala Slim Helu though, so that's something.



No, not like there are any examples of Ethnic cleansing or racial/socioeconomic/religious strife in European countries, right? Stop it.



With good old fashioned hard work and White skin.



:lol

Yes, those anti-Irish/Italian Jim Crow laws were a real bitch.

Stop it. You're done.
Have you ever heard of the Balkans? Ethnic cleansing is nothing new to Europe. You obviously have no knowledge how the Ottoman Turks conquered half a continent and enslaved a people. Socioeconomic strife? Religious strife? Ask the Irish why they hate the English. Ask a Bosnian Muslim what he thinks of Serbians. Oppression on a certain ethnic group isn't just color bound. Let's share the violin here. I haven't even mentioned the Jews considering they were systematically killed in Europe .
Stop it? You're done? Sorry your victimization is nothing new.

[Ratnik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUeZI4vyagg :pimp:

[HeatFanSince88]

The point of my post went completely over your head :oldlol:

It has nothing to do with 'playing victim'. There was a systematic and overt effort to keep people of color uneducated, landless, powerless, segregated, and without the means to attain wealth. This system did not even start to dissipate until the 1960s (aka when most of the posters on this boards parents were kids/teenagers), so forget slavery. If freed slaves had been given their 40 acres and a mule, allowed to gain education, not subjected to redlining, etc. Then 'Black America' would look very different today. It will take a whole lot more than the timeline span of Paul McCartney's musical career to right centuries worth of systematic injustice. :lol

Also, probably the biggest myth out there is the idea that wealth is somehow created in a vacuum. That all it takes is hard works and pulling yourself up from your bootstraps and you'll get rich guaranteed. Absolute bullshit. The way it actually works is money is accumulated in families and passed down through generations- the children of those families, through said money/nepotism/connections/etc have benefits that those without these advantages will never know. You see it all the time in every industry- a huge number of Hollywood stars are the sons/daughters of Hollywood stars. How many of them would've reached those heights if they had started in a trailer park in Tennessee and had to work their way up out of obscurity and not just went to daddy and told him they wanted to be in their movie?

I've seen it all, believe me. I grew up in Apartheid era South Africa, moved to NYC and went to through the public school system here until middle school, went to some of the most prestigious private schools in the country. I had a friend in High School, nice guy but the biggest f*ck up you could ever meet, got shitty grades in school, not particularly bright (in my estimation). Guess what he's doing now? Venture capitalist who is one of the biggest backers of bitcoin. Guess how he got there- hard work? Nope. Determination? Nah. His father is a billionaire venture capitalist, his father was a billionaire venture capitalist, his father before him was a billionaire venture capitalist. Kid never had to work a day in his life, and didn't, but he's a 4th generation venture capitalist now. Go figure.

I'm not saying that the 'American dream' is complete bullshit, just saying it's much more easily attainable for those with major leg ups like family wealth. People like to make believe that we are a classless society but the US has its own aristocracy who have been insulated and self-perpetuating through hoarding and nepotism for centuries. To expect groups of people- who have been systematically kept uneducated, poor, voiceless/powerless by these people for just as long- to be on equal footing is absolutely ridiculous.

You are one of the most unintelligent posters on this website.

Getting out of poverty and reaching the middle class is VERY easy. With hard work, smart use of your financial resources, saving up this is EASILY attainable in a single generation at most. The problem is the culture of these people.

Now going from the middle class to the rich is an entirely different story. People that are rich are either A) born into it like you said or B) come across an absolutely golden opportunity.

But LOL @ acting like the only way to become middle class is to be born into it. Shit is not elusive at all especially with colleges/employers giving all the advantages in the world. And saying that people think America is a classless society? Who the **** says that shit? Stop trying to act like you have any kind of input worth a damn because your points are ridiculous.

[andgar923]

You are one of the most unintelligent posters on this website.

Getting out of poverty and reaching the middle class is VERY easy. With hard work, smart use of your financial resources, saving up this is EASILY attainable in a single generation at most. The problem is the culture of these people.

Now going from the middle class to the rich is an entirely different story. People that are rich are either A) born into it like you said or B) come across an absolutely golden opportunity.

But LOL @ acting like the only way to become middle class is to be born into it. Shit is not elusive at all especially with colleges/employers giving all the advantages in the world. And saying that people think America is a classless society? Who the **** says that shit? Stop trying to act like you have any kind of input worth a damn because your points are ridiculous.
:facepalm :facepalm

[Nick Young]

No, not like there are any examples of Ethnic cleansing or racial/socioeconomic/religious strife in European countries, right? Stop it.



I hope this was some kind of joke bozo. Europe has been killing Jews in mass since the 900s. The great schism lead to a shit load of religious wars. Irish were sent as slaves to pick bananas in the Caribbean and were systematically killed for fun by the English. The Balkans is a giant death hole of racism. The Turks wiped out 1,000,000 Armenians.

You seem to not know shit about anything. All races all over the world have had it bad. It's only black people who still blame the past and shout racist everytime something doesn't go right for them.

I'm Jewish, we are the most persecuted people in human history, and you never hear jews demanding reparations for the Spanish Inquisition or the Holocaust or slavery in Babylon. And the holocaust was only 70 years ago. Surely Germany should give me money and land for killing my relatives in death camps right?

The slave trade ended 200 years ago, move on. This perceived injustice in your head serves only to hold you back and creates an unhealthy victim complex.

[ALBballer]

The point of my post went completely over your head :oldlol:

It has nothing to do with 'playing victim'. There was a systematic and overt effort to keep people of color uneducated, landless, powerless, segregated, and without the means to attain wealth. This system did not even start to dissipate until the 1960s (aka when most of the posters on this boards parents were kids/teenagers), so forget slavery. If freed slaves had been given their 40 acres and a mule, allowed to gain education, not subjected to redlining, etc. Then 'Black America' would look very different today. It will take a whole lot more than the timeline span of Paul McCartney's musical career to right centuries worth of systematic injustice. :lol

Also, probably the biggest myth out there is the idea that wealth is somehow created in a vacuum. That all it takes is hard works and pulling yourself up from your bootstraps and you'll get rich guaranteed. Absolute bullshit. The way it actually works is money is accumulated in families and passed down through generations- the children of those families, through said money/nepotism/connections/etc have benefits that those without these advantages will never know. You see it all the time in every industry- a huge number of Hollywood stars are the sons/daughters of Hollywood stars. How many of them would've reached those heights if they had started in a trailer park in Tennessee and had to work their way up out of obscurity and not just went to daddy and told him they wanted to be in their movie?

I've seen it all, believe me. I grew up in Apartheid era South Africa, moved to NYC and went to through the public school system here until middle school, went to some of the most prestigious private schools in the country. I had a friend in High School, nice guy but the biggest f*ck up you could ever meet, got shitty grades in school, not particularly bright (in my estimation). Guess what he's doing now? Venture capitalist who is one of the biggest backers of bitcoin. Guess how he got there- hard work? Nope. Determination? Nah. His father is a billionaire venture capitalist, his father was a billionaire venture capitalist, his father before him was a billionaire venture capitalist. Kid never had to work a day in his life, and didn't, but he's a 4th generation venture capitalist now. Go figure.

I'm not saying that the 'American dream' is complete bullshit, just saying it's much more easily attainable for those with major leg ups like family wealth. People like to make believe that we are a classless society but the US has its own aristocracy who have been insulated and self-perpetuating through hoarding and nepotism for centuries. To expect groups of people- who have been systematically kept uneducated, poor, voiceless/powerless by these people for just as long- to be on equal footing is absolutely ridiculous.

These are good points but I think the conclusion is class inequality is the issue as opposed to racial inequality. Sure race might play a factor today on lower levels but some of these statements like "racist institution" are face palm worthy. today you would be hard pressed to find many examples of racist institution, laws etc.. In fact, the argument can be made on the opposite side of laws against the majority with laws like affirmative action.

Add in the age of globalization and I think race even places less of a role in America. Companies for example care more about their bottom line than they do about the demographics of their companies which has led to foreign workers performing jobs that middle-class white Americans once performed.

This is how the elites have suckered us all in. They have diverted the issue from themselves and have turned the issue into a racial one.

[MightyWhitey]

:facepalm :facepalm
What didn't you agree with about his post? People from India immigrate to the USA and become success stories. Many become physicians, businessmen, and everything else under the sun to build wealth and a lasting legacy. They have suffered injustice, stereotypes, and racism yet they don't seem to dwell on the past and cry foul.

[Nick Young]

What didn't you agree with about his post? People from India immigrate to the USA and become success stories. Many become physicians, businessmen, and everything else under the sun to build wealth and a lasting legacy. They have suffered injustice, stereotypes, and racism yet they don't seem to dwell on the past and cry foul.
Same with Chinese, same with Koreans, same with Irish and Italians back in the day (gangs of new york era), same with latinos today, who are prejudiced against but still making a good living and getting good jobs.

Only black people are still falling back on this victimhood excuse.

[andgar923]

What didn't you agree with about his post? People from India immigrate to the USA and become success stories. Many become physicians, businessmen, and everything else under the sun to build wealth and a lasting legacy. They have suffered injustice, stereotypes, and racism yet they don't seem to dwell on the past and cry foul.

Getting out of poverty and reaching the middle class is VERY easy. With hard work, smart use of your financial resources, saving up this is EASILY attainable

which is why the middle class as a whole has been declining while the lower class rising.

It's also assuming that lower class citizens don't work hard which is far from the truth. I am from the lower class, my family and almost everybody I've ever known is from the lower class. Yet they work their asses off.

The poster made it appear as tho it's simple to just work hard and they'll make it to the top because as he put it "VERY easy".

[DonDadda59]

I hope this was some kind of joke bozo. Europe has been killing Jews in mass since the 900s. The great schism lead to a shit load of religious wars. Irish were sent as slaves to pick bananas in the Caribbean and were systematically killed for fun by the English. The Balkans is a giant death hole of racism. The Turks wiped out 1,000,000 Armenians.

You seem to not know shit about anything. All races all over the world have had it bad. It's only black people who still blame the past and shout racist everytime something doesn't go right for them.

I'm Jewish, we are the most persecuted people in human history, and you never hear jews demanding reparations for the Spanish Inquisition or the Holocaust or slavery in Babylon. And the holocaust was only 70 years ago. Surely Germany should give me money and land for killing my relatives in death camps right?

The slave trade ended 200 years ago, move on. This perceived injustice in your head serves only to hold you back and creates an unhealthy victim complex.

Once again...

http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/attachments/mens-basketball/19123d1363451050-excited-selection-sunday-point_over_your_head.jpg

:lol

Why don't you take another look at what I responded to and then look up the definition of sarcasm. Jesus you people are terribly dense and ill-informed.

And yeah, the Jews have been horribly persecuted throughout History. No one in their right mind will argue against that. But the key difference with them is that they were allowed, hell you can argue forced, into amassing wealth. During the Dark-Middle Ages Christians were forbidden from practicing usury (money-lending). Jews on the other hand were barred from joining artisans guilds and holding many other jobs/positions, so naturally they gravitated towards money-lending as it was their only means of making a decent living.

That's where the stereotype of the money-grubbing, penny-pinching Jew comes from (see: Shylock). Ironically, in their effort to marginalize Jews, the Christians provided them a means to acquire wealth in their community (when they were allowed in certain countries and it wasn't confiscated that is). Money-lenders became bankers and the money flowed down through the generations and is now more or less funding Hollywood.

Why do you think that 25% of the 50 richest people in the World are Jewish despite them being a tiny minority (.02% of the World's population)? Is it simply because they are smarter and harder working than every other ethnic/racial/etc group in the World? Or is it because big money has been kept in their communities and growing since the Dark ages, creating modern day dynasties?

It's really not that complicated. If you overtly and systematically deny a group for whatever reason the means to attain wealth through segregation, disenfranchisement, etc for centuries then they will not be in good shape as a whole and that damage will not be undone in a single generation. If you provide them the means to attain wealth, it will improve conditions generationally. Like I said before, if freed slaves were given their promised 40 acres and a mule or like the Jews were more or less handed the country's lending capital, the state of Black America would look very different today. Instead of Harvey Weinstein buying up everything at Sundance, it might be Jamal Anderson, movie mogul :lol


Same with Chinese, same with Koreans, same with Irish and Italians back in the day (gangs of new york era), same with latinos today, who are prejudiced against but still making a good living and getting good jobs.

Again, showing your naivete and that you know nothing about what goes on in the World beyond your privileged little sphere.

I've lived in Flushing, Queens for a big chunk of my life. I'd say it has to one of, if not THE, most diverse places on the planet. Every ethnicity you can think of, every race, on a 4 block radius you can find a synagogue, jehovah's witness church, Hindu temple, mosque. No lie.

From my experience, the foreigners who come to this country and excel were already well off before they came here. They are more or less the 1% of their respective countries who had the means to get educated and afford transplanting to the US to expand their business, etc. Now the other 99% are piss poor and live on like $5/week salaries and the only way they can even come to the US is through illegal means (human trafficking controlled by criminal elements). When they get here they don't have the money to open businesses or go to Harvard, they are tens of thousands of dollars in debt to the triads or yakuza or some Mexican cartel for smuggling them/their family into the country. The only work they can get (if any) is as dishwashers, delivery men, lawn care, porters, etc.

They work menial labor for shit pay, live with like 10 other people in rundown 1 BR slum apartments and never bother to learn English. That's the reality for those who come here without the means to live the 'American dream'. This is shit that I've seen personally.

[DonDadda59]

which is why the middle class as a whole has been declining while the lower class rising.

It's also assuming that lower class citizens don't work hard which is far from the truth. I am from the lower class, my family and almost everybody I've ever known is from the lower class. Yet they work their asses off.

The poster made it appear as tho it's simple to just work hard and they'll make it to the top because as he put it "VERY easy".

Don't even waste your breath. Everyone knows poor = lazy and stupid while rich = hard work and superior intelligence. It's really that simple.

These kids live in sheltered little bubbles and don't know shit about anything.

[andgar923]

Don't even waste your breath. Everyone knows poor = lazy and stupid while rich = hard work and superior intelligence. It's really that simple.

These kids live in sheltered little bubbles and don't know shit about anything.

But... but... Oprah made it!!!

[Nick Young]

Don't even waste your breath. Everyone knows poor = lazy and stupid while rich = hard work and superior intelligence. It's really that simple.

These kids live in sheltered little bubbles and don't know shit about anything.
I'd say rich and poor work equally hard, poor probably work even harder then rich.

The difference is, the rich have financial knowledge and know what to do with their money once they have it, how to make it grow and how to make it work for them.

That is why the rich get richer.

The people who rise out of the lower class into the middle and upper class put there money in the right places and instead of blow it all on x-boxes or video games for their kids and massive Tvs when they can't afford them.

I grew up in LA where my school and neighborhood was like 15% white people, and now live in East Ham where it's probably the same, dont talk to me with this "I know what diversity is more then you do" bullshit.

[Go Getter]

There is no use wasting your time with these morons. I applaud you Dondadda for trying though.

[Ed Wachter]

If only they were given a mule. Then their descendants would be the ones in power, employed, educated, wealthy and crime-free today. That damned mule.

[ALBballer]

Income is not based on how "hard" you work rather what you bring to the marketplace. An artist can make six figures performing a night and a low-skilled worker can work 40 hours a week for a year long and not 1/5 of that amount.

If poor people want to earn more then they should bring more to the marketplace.

[Nick Young]

Income is not based on how "hard" you work rather what you bring to the marketplace. An artist can make six figures performing a night and a low-skilled worker can work 40 hours a week for a year long and not 1/5 of that amount.

If poor people want to earn more then they should bring more to the marketplace.
dingalingaling

Every one can learn a valuable skill they just have to focus and practice and work really hard at it. It's a myth that you need an expensive university education to succeed.

[Ed Wachter]

Income is not based on how "hard" you work rather what you bring to the marketplace. An artist can make six figures performing a night and a low-skilled worker can work 40 hours a week for a year long and not 1/5 of that amount.

If poor people want to earn more then they should bring more to the marketplace.

How are they supposed to do that when people of similar color 150 years ago weren't given land and a mule?

[ieballer3]

Sigh... Respect to DonDadda and a few others in this thread. The rest of you, well, not much can be said...

[longtime lurker]

You gotta love the inherent sense of superiority and subtle racism that's rampant in this thread. So many clueless people here.

http://www.thbook.org/lightofthemoon/pics/Brief%20history%20of%20race%20relations%20in%20the %20US.jpg

[-p.tiddy-]

You gotta love the inherent sense of superiority and subtle racism that's rampant in this thread. So many clueless people here.

http://www.thbook.org/lightofthemoon/pics/Brief%20history%20of%20race%20relations%20in%20the %20US.jpg
Meh...I understand they gist of this toon but I don't like the overall message that blacks "need a hand" to be lifted up.

They can get "on that ledge" by themselves and many do just that... Is it harder for them than spoiled white folk? Sure it is, in general.... but that doesn't mean they need help.

[longhornfan1234]

LBJ's Great Society and War on Poverty destroyed the black community. Its sad.

[Dresta]

Gotta love the staggering racism in the comments section.


Truth is, racists are going down the drain kicking an screaming. But truth is....there isn't shit they can do about it.


Claiming the USA will "become a third world country" as if it's people of color ruining this country and not greedy corporations.
:facepalm

Your assertion is just as simplistic and ignorant as saying the country is being ruined by immigrants, your prejudice is just different. Amazing how people can laugh at one group of prejudicial morons while laying the blame for a systemically flawed system at the feet of some mysterious entity known as 'greedy corporations' - could you be any more boring and cliche?

[tpols]

The point of my post went completely over your head :oldlol:

It has nothing to do with 'playing victim'. There was a systematic and overt effort to keep people of color uneducated, landless, powerless, segregated, and without the means to attain wealth. This system did not even start to dissipate until the 1960s (aka when most of the posters on this boards parents were kids/teenagers), so forget slavery. If freed slaves had been given their 40 acres and a mule, allowed to gain education, not subjected to redlining, etc. Then 'Black America' would look very different today. It will take a whole lot more than the timeline span of Paul McCartney's musical career to right centuries worth of systematic injustice. :lol

Also, probably the biggest myth out there is the idea that wealth is somehow created in a vacuum. That all it takes is hard works and pulling yourself up from your bootstraps and you'll get rich guaranteed. Absolute bullshit. The way it actually works is money is accumulated in families and passed down through generations- the children of those families, through said money/nepotism/connections/etc have benefits that those without these advantages will never know. You see it all the time in every industry- a huge number of Hollywood stars are the sons/daughters of Hollywood stars. How many of them would've reached those heights if they had started in a trailer park in Tennessee and had to work their way up out of obscurity and not just went to daddy and told him they wanted to be in their movie?

I've seen it all, believe me. I grew up in Apartheid era South Africa, moved to NYC and went to through the public school system here until middle school, went to some of the most prestigious private schools in the country. I had a friend in High School, nice guy but the biggest f*ck up you could ever meet, got shitty grades in school, not particularly bright (in my estimation). Guess what he's doing now? Venture capitalist who is one of the biggest backers of bitcoin. Guess how he got there- hard work? Nope. Determination? Nah. His father is a billionaire venture capitalist, his father was a billionaire venture capitalist, his father before him was a billionaire venture capitalist. Kid never had to work a day in his life, and didn't, but he's a 4th generation venture capitalist now. Go figure.

I'm not saying that the 'American dream' is complete bullshit, just saying it's much more easily attainable for those with major leg ups like family wealth. People like to make believe that we are a classless society but the US has its own aristocracy who have been insulated and self-perpetuating through hoarding and nepotism for centuries. To expect groups of people- who have been systematically kept uneducated, poor, voiceless/powerless by these people for just as long- to be on equal footing is absolutely ridiculous.
Well.. the top couple percent own the vast majority of the wealth.. and white people make up more than half the population so most white people arent in those 1 or 2% categories.

The large majority of white people arent rich with tons of assets to pass down to their kids.. theyre just normal middle class people who all have to work to get by.

Acting like every white guy is coastin off investments his whole life.:oldlol:

[Dresta]

You gotta love the inherent sense of superiority and subtle racism that's rampant in this thread. So many clueless people here.

http://www.thbook.org/lightofthemoon/pics/Brief%20history%20of%20race%20relations%20in%20the %20US.jpg
What stereotypical bullshit. Patronising bullshit too.

One could even say that to compress the interactions between millions of white and black men throughout American history into a single image of just two apparently representative men, is to portray a group of individuals as being the same simply because of the colour of their skin, and therefore subtle racism.

Racists, by definition, are incapable of discriminating between people rather than skin-colour, and you seem to have this in common with them.

[HeatFanSince88]

which is why the middle class as a whole has been declining while the lower class rising.

It's also assuming that lower class citizens don't work hard which is far from the truth. I am from the lower class, my family and almost everybody I've ever known is from the lower class. Yet they work their asses off.

The poster made it appear as tho it's simple to just work hard and they'll make it to the top because as he put it "VERY easy".

Laziness isn't the only attribute. I applaud you for "working your ass off" and retaining employment, but the question is what do you do with that money? Do you purchase luxury items despite your condition(such as iphones, 100+ sneakers, etc.)? Are you a druggie? You don't have to answer these questions as I don't really give a shit, but they should give some insight.

And a lot of the time it's about how smart you work, not how hard you work.



which is why the middle class as a whole has been declining while the lower class rising.

It's also assuming that lower class citizens don't work hard which is far from the truth. I am from the lower class, my family and almost everybody I've ever known is from the lower class. Yet they work their asses off.

The poster made it appear as tho it's simple to just work hard and they'll make it to the top because as he put it "VERY easy".

When you look at the current economy you must realize that todays America is not our fathers America. The people that get screwed over by the employment crisis are young people, race is an irrelevant factor and it can only help minorities by industries with affirmative action.

It is not hard to get a job when you have lots of experience and have been in the game for a while(even today), but for these kids who fell into the college scam and came out with no skills/experience. They are getting ****ed big time as noone wants to hire them, not that I can really blame the employers.

[Dresta]

Don't even waste your breath. Everyone knows poor = lazy and stupid while rich = hard work and superior intelligence. It's really that simple.

These kids live in sheltered little bubbles and don't know shit about anything.
I always find these arguments rather tiresome...as if your life has been so special. No matter what trivial problems you may have endured and seen, there will always be a multitude that have suffered infinitely worse.

It's all relative really: 99%+ of Americans live in sheltered little bubbles when compared to the want and misery suffered around the world by millions of people. And compared to the sufferings throughout human history, well, life now is a ****ing breeze. The last 50+ years have been such a bubble for most of the Western world that people have never had it better - they have never had so many of the things they want, and such a relaxed mode of living. In fact, they get so used to their excess of leisure and ease that they need to invent new systems of oppression to moan about, and to delegate all the important responsibilities in life to a centralised power that they have deluded themselves into believing benevolent.

Much like you have been doing in this thread. Pointlessly bemoaning a system that has brought unprecedented improvement to human life, and endlessly complaining that people give things to their children, and that opportunity is non-existent (that's how improvement works btw: one generation works to put themselves in a position where they can give their children a leg up). All without proposing a single viable means of rectification other than arbitrary government discrimination (as if it's never been tried before), and simply whinging about how unfair things are ('fairness' being completely unmeasurable in this case). What a load of maudlin drivel.

[ace23]

http://www.thbook.org/lightofthemoon/pics/Brief%20history%20of%20race%20relations%20in%20the %20US.jpg
These things are usually corny but this is 10/10

[fsvr54]

I'm latino, so no, I'm not.

Anyways where I live latinos have always been the majority.

[DonDadda59]

Well.. the top couple percent own the vast majority of the wealth.. and white people make up more than half the population so most white people arent in those 1 or 2% categories.

The large majority of white people arent rich with tons of assets to pass down to their kids.. theyre just normal middle class people who all have to work to get by.

Acting like every white guy is coastin off investments his whole life.:oldlol:

If you clearly don't even understand the basics of what you're reading, why even bother commenting on it? :facepalm


I always find these arguments rather tiresome...as if your life has been so special. No matter what trivial problems you may have endured and seen, there will always be a multitude that have suffered infinitely worse.

It's all relative really: 99%+ of Americans live in sheltered little bubbles when compared to the want and misery suffered around the world by millions of people. And compared to the sufferings throughout human history, well, life now is a ****ing breeze. The last 50+ years have been such a bubble for most of the Western world that people have never had it better - they have never had so many of the things they want, and such a relaxed mode of living. In fact, they get so used to their excess of leisure and ease that they need to invent new systems of oppression to moan about, and to delegate all the important responsibilities in life to a centralised power that they have deluded themselves into believing benevolent.

Much like you have been doing in this thread. Pointlessly bemoaning a system that has brought unprecedented improvement to human life, and endlessly complaining that people give things to their children, and that opportunity is non-existent (that's how improvement works btw: one generation works to put themselves in a position where they can give their children a leg up). All without proposing a single viable means of rectification other than arbitrary government discrimination (as if it's never been tried before), and simply whinging about how unfair things are ('fairness' being completely unmeasurable in this case). What a load of maudlin drivel.

You took a whole lot of space and exerted energy to say absolutely nothing. Did you even read anything I wrote besides the one line you highlighted?

[MightyWhitey]

From my experience, the foreigners who come to this country and excel were already well off before they came here. They are more or less the 1% of their respective countries who had the means to get educated and afford transplanting to the US to expand their business, etc. Now the other 99% are piss poor and live on like $5/week salaries and the only way they can even come to the US is through illegal means (human trafficking controlled by criminal elements). When they get here they don't have the money to open businesses or go to Harvard, they are tens of thousands of dollars in debt to the triads or yakuza or some Mexican cartel for smuggling them/their family into the country. The only work they can get (if any) is as dishwashers, delivery men, lawn care, porters, etc.

They work menial labor for shit pay, live with like 10 other people in rundown 1 BR slum apartments and never bother to learn English. That's the reality for those who come here without the means to live the 'American dream'. This is shit that I've seen personally.
BS. I live in Queens, NY and I know many PoC who came to this country with nothing and are now living comfortably in middle class condos, co-op's, and homes. Your experience presumes what your argument is, coincidentally I guess :rolleyes: , but the reality is that people who came to the USA all the way from India, China, Guyana, the Middle East and etc. have succeeded in building better lives for themselves. No one needed to offer them cheese with a whine or anything. What I find remarkable is how spinsters like yourself use "personal experience" but neglect to recognize how many PoC have indeed made it from nothing.

[MightyWhitey]

Don't even waste your breath. Everyone knows poor = lazy and stupid while rich = hard work and superior intelligence. It's really that simple.

These kids live in sheltered little bubbles and don't know shit about anything.
You're in the bubble my friend. No one is holding you back from earning any kind of living you want to attain. It isn't going to be easy. But nothing in life is. So put up or shut up. Crying foul that the white man has more wealth and exploited blacks in the past gets you no where today.

[Rasheed1]

There is no use wasting your time with these morons. I applaud you Dondadda for trying though.


this

[Lebron23]

Chinese and Indians have a great work ethic, and they are very smart businessmen. Some of the richest people here are half Chinese, and half Indians Nationals. They owned some of the biggest and richest companies here.

[Dresta]

You're in the bubble my friend. No one is holding you back from earning any kind of living you want to attain. It isn't going to be easy. But nothing in life is. So put up or shut up. Crying foul that the white man has more wealth and exploited blacks in the past gets you no where today.
Actually, something is holding the coming generations back, and it is that the state has been progressively spending money from the future for the bulk of the past century, while also inflating an increasingly redundant education system. So it seems that the biggest thing holding future generations back is the same kind of state intervention that DonDadda evidently whole-heartedly supports - as if pouring more of the future's money down the drain is going to make it more likely for an unskilled foreign labourer to achieve success in less than one generation :lol (but then complains about those who do giving their kids a leg up).

[DonDadda59]

BS. I live in Queens, NY and I know many PoC who came to this country with nothing and are now living comfortably in middle class condos, co-op's, and homes. Your experience presumes what your argument is, coincidentally I guess :rolleyes: , but the reality is that people who came to the USA all the way from India, China, Guyana, the Middle East and etc. have succeeded in building better lives for themselves. No one needed to offer them cheese with a whine or anything. What I find remarkable is how spinsters like yourself use "personal experience" but neglect to recognize how many PoC have indeed made it from nothing.

Right. A guy who calls himself 'MightyWhitey' has taken the time to get to know many 'PoC' and can tell us about their lives and experiences. C'mon Son :oldlol:

I don't give a f*ck if you know Jin Sook and Do Won Chang personally and they're your best friend. Doesn't change the fact that the majority of people who come from overseas to open businesses and attend institutions of higher learning in the US come from the wealthier classes of their countries of origin. For every 100 Chinese transplants that come here, start a business or pay for their kids to go to Harvard, there's about a million back home working in sweatshops for a couple of dollars a day. If they find a way to get to the US, usually through illegal means, what awaits them is menial labor if they're lucky enough to attain that.

You should probably talk to the delivery person next time you order out. I'm sure that discussion will be very illuminating for you. I'm sure you'd give them the ole' pull yourself up by your bootstraps bit though :oldlol:


You're in the bubble my friend. No one is holding you back from earning any kind of living you want to attain. It isn't going to be easy. But nothing in life is. So put up or shut up. Crying foul that the white man has more wealth and exploited blacks in the past gets you no where today.

Good lord you are dense.

[Akrazotile]

You gotta love the inherent sense of superiority and subtle racism that's rampant in this thread. So many clueless people here.

http://www.thbook.org/lightofthemoon/pics/Brief%20history%20of%20race%20relations%20in%20the %20US.jpg


EWWW, what an embarrassing strawman. Sad thing is, when you're a dumb white liberal sheep with a doormat complex, this is what makes you feel better and you believe it.

In that cartoon, the SAME white guy took advantage of another person then refused to help him up. 200 years ago SOME people in America purchased human slaves from SOME people in Africa. Wait, wait... does Africa owe American blacks reparations? You know, because their African ancestors sold them here? Should Africa have to donate more money to inner city schools and such today? The laws for equality are in place. The mandates are there. The government has done what it can to ensure nothing like that happens again. The rest is up to time. That doesn't give you the right to GRAB money from some kid who worked hard in college, went and got a good job, stayed out of trouble, has a family, just because "slavery happened before" and he is white. Should a black guy be put in prison if it's found out his grandfather was a murderer after the grandfather is dead? Let me know.


Sometimes threads are like these produce meaningful conversation, but when people start posting mindless, illogical liberal propaganda, AND THEN sitting back in their chair with their feet up thinking they just dropped a crazy intellectual checkmate, it's just not even worth it. That's not the type of person you can have a conversation with. This thread is over as far as I'm concerned.

[Ed Wachter]

Valid excuses


A bunch of farmers in the 1800s weren't given a free handout of 40 acres and a donkey.
All foreign immigrants to the U.S. today who don't stay in poverty here were already rich in their home country.
The only way to rise to wealth is to be entertainers or sports players.
WASPs keep the disenfranchised down.
Being unemployed, uneducated and crime-ridden is because of slavery.


Source: DonDadda59, chosen_one6, G-Funk, andgar923, Go Getter

[DonDadda59]

Valid excuses


A bunch of farmers in the 1800s weren't given a free handout of 40 acres and a donkey.
All foreign immigrants to the U.S. today who don't stay in poverty here were already rich in their home country.
The only way to rise to wealth is to be entertainers or sports players.
WASPs keep the disenfranchised down.
Being unemployed, uneducated and crime-ridden is because of slavery.


Source: DonDadda59, chosen_one6, G-Funk, andgar923, Go Getter

Here...

http://cdn.na16.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/stickman_waving_hc.gif

You happy now? Someone actually acknowledged you exist instead of skipping over your post and your trolling was not in vain. Congrats, your life is now complete. :applause:

[MightyWhitey]

Right. A guy who calls himself 'MightyWhitey' has taken the time to get to know many 'PoC' and can tell us about their lives and experiences. C'mon Son :oldlol:

It's not hard to believe. I lived in Queens my whole life. Most diversified borough in NY. But here's the deal 'Son' you make things up like the following:


Doesn't change the fact that the majority of people who come from overseas to open businesses and attend institutions of higher learning in the US come from the wealthier classes of their countries of origin. For every 100 Chinese transplants that come here, start a business or pay for their kids to go to Harvard, there's about a million back home working in sweatshops for a couple of dollars a day. If they find a way to get to the US, usually through illegal means, what awaits them is menial labor if they're lucky enough to attain that.
Maybe in the land of make believe, but not in Queens. Not the way you described it. You insult PoC with ludicrous claims like this. I guess every PoC that comes into the USA is exploited :hammerhead:


You should probably talk to the delivery person next time you order out. I'm sure that discussion will be very illuminating for you. I'm sure you'd give them the ole' pull yourself up by your bootstraps bit though
The guy who delivers my Chinese food,,, yeah his dad owns the restaurant :cheers: I'm sure he's being exploited though right?


Good lord you are dense.

You're a discredit to your race. The Human Race!

[Ed Wachter]

Here...

http://cdn.na16.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/stickman_waving_hc.gif

You happy now? Someone actually acknowledged you exist instead of skipping over your post and your trolling was not in vain. Congrats, your life is now complete. :applause:

I don't mean to dissuade you from contributing to the list. I'll update it as we go and give you proper credit for each excuse.

[MightyWhitey]

I don't mean to dissuade you from contributing to the list. I'll update it as we go and give you proper credit for each excuse.

:applause:

[Akrazotile]

One last thing I wanna say in this thread is that in discussions like these, usually you have a bunch of people arguing with each other but often theyre not even arguing about the exact same things. Some people are arguing about what degree slavery has affected the current black condition, others are arguing about the merits of affirmative action, some just spout bigotry against blacks, some just spout bigotry against whites. It seems on the surface like a debate, but when you look closely people aren't even debating the same thing.

People get too caught up in arguing about the past in these discussions. Obviously you have to understand the past, but that's about it. You can't 'use' it as a justification to change things today. If a 35 year old man working at McDonalds tells you he was molested as a child, it caused him psychological issues and he didn't go to college, got in trouble, spent some time in prison, and now he's flippin burgers... you feel a tremendous amount of sympathy for anyone who's been a victim but what can you do? Should the guy just an auto-promotion to a management position? I mean if we're gonna have quotas for everyone who's had to overcome obstacles, we're gonna have to expand that a lot wider than just race.

Honestly, most hispanics come here and don't know the language and settle down and take low paying jobs. Their kids go to school and hopefully get better ones. They do the church thing, they have generally safe neighborhoods (with some exceptions) and they just basically blend in and do their thing. You can't give 'Tron' admission to a school with a C average over some white student who never even lived thru Jim Crow and has a B-. That's really bull IMO. The real reality is that you just have to play the hand youre dealt. Black people were dealt a very tough hand at first, but that's just life. You can't take from others who had nothing to do with it. Just gotta work your way out of it and be patient. It's the only "fair" thing to do. Unless you have the scientific ability to resurrect some dead slave owners and sue them. Hey if you can, go for it. But you can't deny WHITES access today to things they've earned just because blacks were denied access YESTERDAY. People try to make light of the term "reverse racism" but that's really what it boils down to. Liberals feel so guilty that they want to overcompensate for black exclusion yesterday but OVER including them through quotas and things today before there are really enough qualified black candidates. They're trying to manually balance out their guilt or something. It doesn't work and it's fundamentally a violation of civil rights NOW. But of course, white liberals think its "cool to be contrarian" so they always side with the little guy, the little country, the little relgion, anything underdog against the big mean establishment.

I always say... Should the Yankees have to start games with a 3 run deficit because they have a higher payroll? No. The rules are the rules, and as long as you enforce them for the big guy and the little guy EQUALLY... you have to accept the results. But liberals... they're just f@gs.

[knickballer]

Welfare recipients by race

Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %


Geesh. Those Black folks sure are having a hard time receiving aid from the government due to their skin color....

[HeatFanSince88]

Valid excuses


A bunch of farmers in the 1800s weren't given a free handout of 40 acres and a donkey.
All foreign immigrants to the U.S. today who don't stay in poverty here were already rich in their home country.
The only way to rise to wealth is to be entertainers or sports players.
WASPs keep the disenfranchised down.
Being unemployed, uneducated and crime-ridden is because of slavery.


Source: DonDadda59, chosen_one6, G-Funk, andgar923, Go Getter

LMAO! If only they had that damn mule!!

You got to realize that those dudes who are spouting those "arguments" are entirely serious as well and arn't even trolling. Makes it even funnier.

[Brizzly]

dondadda is writing paragraphs excusing why blacks are still poor, most crime prone race etc.

public school is free if u wanna do something with ur life u have every opportunity to do so especially with affirmative action in colleges where black people are getting quoted in.

[Ed Wachter]

It's very difficult to get into a state school if you're hispanic or black. Especially if your family doesn't have a mule.

[Brizzly]

It's very difficult to get into a state school if you're hispanic or black. Especially if your family doesn't have a mule.

that damn mule made the evil white people rich:rant

[Brizzly]

i made some research and discovered that a good mule can be bought for $1000. would you be willing to go 50/50 so we can buy a mule to dondadda, that way his children will be rich in the future.

http://www.ask.com/question/how-much-do-mules-cost

[Nick Young]

Valid excuses


A bunch of farmers in the 1800s weren't given a free handout of 40 acres and a donkey.
All foreign immigrants to the U.S. today who don't stay in poverty here were already rich in their home country.
The only way to rise to wealth is to be entertainers or sports players.
WASPs keep the disenfranchised down.
Being unemployed, uneducated and crime-ridden is because of slavery.


Source: DonDadda59, chosen_one6, G-Funk, andgar923, Go Getter
dat ether doe:lebronamazed:

[Nick Young]

You gotta love the inherent sense of superiority and subtle racism that's rampant in this thread. So many clueless people here.

http://www.thbook.org/lightofthemoon/pics/Brief%20history%20of%20race%20relations%20in%20the %20US.jpg
What about white Americans whose families came to America after slavery ended doe, like my family for example. Do those white Americans owe reparations too?

Or is it only white people related to hundreds of years ago slave owners who should give reparations.

Bullshit like cartoons like this only serve to perpetuate the victim mentality that currently is holding so many african americans back. Bullshit cartoons like this are racist themselves. Was this drawn by a klansman?

[Nick Young]

I always find these arguments rather tiresome...as if your life has been so special. No matter what trivial problems you may have endured and seen, there will always be a multitude that have suffered infinitely worse.

It's all relative really: 99%+ of Americans live in sheltered little bubbles when compared to the want and misery suffered around the world by millions of people. And compared to the sufferings throughout human history, well, life now is a ****ing breeze. The last 50+ years have been such a bubble for most of the Western world that people have never had it better - they have never had so many of the things they want, and such a relaxed mode of living. In fact, they get so used to their excess of leisure and ease that they need to invent new systems of oppression to moan about, and to delegate all the important responsibilities in life to a centralised power that they have deluded themselves into believing benevolent.

Much like you have been doing in this thread. Pointlessly bemoaning a system that has brought unprecedented improvement to human life, and endlessly complaining that people give things to their children, and that opportunity is non-existent (that's how improvement works btw: one generation works to put themselves in a position where they can give their children a leg up). All without proposing a single viable means of rectification other than arbitrary government discrimination (as if it's never been tried before), and simply whinging about how unfair things are ('fairness' being completely unmeasurable in this case). What a load of maudlin drivel.
da ether again doe:bowdown:

[DonDadda59]

LMAO! If only they had that damn mule!!

Holy shit you people are some other kind of stupid. :oldlol:

You do realize that the U.S. in the 19th Century was mostly an agrarian-based society in the South, don't you (of course you idiots don't)? Wealth, as well as many civil rights privileges, were based on land ownership/real estate (and still is in many ways). So the idea behind Sherman's Field Order No. 15 was to provide a means to produce a living, through land and field beast (a mule equipped with a plow being the equivalent of a modern tractor then), for people who had just been freed from sometimes centuries-spanning enslavement.

Instead what happened was those uneducated, landless, penniless people were turned loose in a place where they were systematically marginalized from society, a process which did not even begin to dissipate until the 1960s. Anyone who thinks freedmen having land ownership (along with the requisite rights that came with that) and means of production during the reconstruction period would not make a difference in the lives of their descendants is a complete and utter fool.

But duuurrr a mule LOL JK.

F*cking idiots :facepalm


Maybe in the land of make believe, but not in Queens.

Human Trafficking: The Route Through Queens (http://wgbhnews.org/post/human-trafficking-route-through-queens)

Flushing Lawyer Charged With Smuggling Hundreds of Illegal Immigrants to NYC (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/nyregion/three-in-new-york-are-charged-with-immigrant-smuggling.html)

Queens Human Smuggling Ring Busted (http://queenscrap.blogspot.com/2010/10/human-smuggling-ring-busted.html)

Chinatown Ringleader Gets 35 Years After 12 Year Illegal Immigrant Smuggling Career (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/nyregion/17ping.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

From Fujian to New York: Understanding The New Chinese Immigration (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1112056/posts)

Shit like this is happening in Queens everyday. You just don't see it.

Like I said... a lot of poor uneducated immigrants are more or less invisible. They are smuggled into the country illegally and put to work in menial labor positions and forced to pay the smuggling fee to gangsters while trying to scrape up enough money to send back home. It's the only way that many poor, property-less peasants can enter this country. The ones you see opening businesses and entering IV league school come from families with the means to afford the capital to accomplish these things.

The idea that Chinese sweat shop workers or some untouchables from India are coming here, starting business, and becoming doctors/lawyers after arriving penniless fresh off the boat is a complete myth. There are exceptions of course, but this is the overall reality.

[niko]

A guy in Sunset Park murdered his family a few weeks back. he was clearly disturbed but he was one of those "smuggled in" chinese. It's a shit life, you work in the restaurant, it's long, boring, shitty money, and most of it you have to pay back to the person who brought you here. It cracked a person who clearly was disturbed already, and he came home and killed everyone.

Shit it still going on, and it's hard to make something of yourself if that is how you start out.

[Dresta]

Why is this guy talking about people who shouldn't be in the country at all ^^^^^^^^?

[DonDadda59]

A guy in Sunset Park murdered his family a few weeks back. he was clearly disturbed but he was one of those "smuggled in" chinese. It's a shit life, you work in the restaurant, it's long, boring, shitty money, and most of it you have to pay back to the person who brought you here. It cracked a person who clearly was disturbed already, and he came home and killed everyone.

Shit it still going on, and it's hard to make something of yourself if that is how you start out.

Bullshit. He just didn't work hard enough. Yeah he was probably some poor peasant in China who wanted to improve his life and his only means was to agree to be smuggled into the country by the Triads and work menial labor while trying to pay them back.

But if he had just worked harder he would've been a billionaire. Welcome to the real world, kids.

[HarryCallahan]

I always find these arguments rather tiresome...as if your life has been so special. No matter what trivial problems you may have endured and seen, there will always be a multitude that have suffered infinitely worse.

It's all relative really: 99%+ of Americans live in sheltered little bubbles when compared to the want and misery suffered around the world by millions of people. And compared to the sufferings throughout human history, well, life now is a ****ing breeze. The last 50+ years have been such a bubble for most of the Western world that people have never had it better - they have never had so many of the things they want, and such a relaxed mode of living. In fact, they get so used to their excess of leisure and ease that they need to invent new systems of oppression to moan about, and to delegate all the important responsibilities in life to a centralised power that they have deluded themselves into believing benevolent.

Much like you have been doing in this thread. Pointlessly bemoaning a system that has brought unprecedented improvement to human life, and endlessly complaining that people give things to their children, and that opportunity is non-existent (that's how improvement works btw: one generation works to put themselves in a position where they can give their children a leg up). All without proposing a single viable means of rectification other than arbitrary government discrimination (as if it's never been tried before), and simply whinging about how unfair things are ('fairness' being completely unmeasurable in this case). What a load of maudlin drivel.

:applause:

[HarryCallahan]

Bullshit. He just didn't work hard enough. Yeah he was probably some poor peasant in China who wanted to improve his life and his only means was to agree to be smuggled into the country by the Triads and work menial labor while trying to pay them back.

But if he had just worked harder he would've been a billionaire. Welcome to the real world, kids.

"I can't be a billionire" :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Dresta]

Bullshit. He just didn't work hard enough. Yeah he was probably some poor peasant in China who wanted to improve his life and his only means was to agree to be smuggled into the country by the Triads and work menial labor while trying to pay them back.

But if he had just worked harder he would've been a billionaire. Welcome to the real world, kids.
Obviously there are laws - implemented by the state - that make it very likely for someone here illegally to be working for/ reliant on criminals. I fail to see what that has to do with the ability for actual immigrants to become successful. You've just created an idiotic straw man.

[DonDadda59]

Obviously there are laws - implemented by the state - that make it very likely for someone here illegally to be working for/ reliant on criminals. I fail to see what that has to do with the ability for actual immigrants to become successful. You've just created an idiotic straw man.

It's not a 'straw man', it's a reality for many people in this country. The majority of people who come here and live the 'American Dream' were already living the 'Chinese Dream' or 'Indian Dream'. They come from the well-off sections of their home countries. They have the means and knowledge to attain visas, pay for travel, buy property, start businesses, attend institutions of higher learning, etc. Their quality of life may be better here than in their home country, but it's not like they arrive in the stereotypical penniless huddle masses. Those that do, the 'straw men'... that's their story.

[Dresta]

It's not a 'straw man', it's a reality for many people in this country. The majority of people who come here and live the 'American Dream' were already living the 'Chinese Dream' or 'Indian Dream'. They come from the well-off sections of their home countries. They have the means and knowledge to attain visas, pay for travel, buy property, start businesses, attend institutions of higher learning, etc. Their quality of life may be better here than in their home country, but it's not like they arrive in the stereotypical penniless huddle masses. Those that do, the 'straw men'... that's their story.
**** me.

What does it have do to with this country that poor people from poor countries cannot afford to get here? There are plenty of people in those countries who cannot get something to eat, let alone travel to the US. I fail to see how this is relevant to a discussion about legitimate immigrants, especially considering countries only want valuable immigrants and not trafficked prostitutes and chinese slaves, and they spend a lot of money trying to make this reality.

You keep talking about realities, but the reality from my perspective is that you're full of shit and incapable of saying anything relevant, so you launch into maudlin weepings over some irrelevant side-topic.

[Ed Wachter]

How are young black youth supposed to get educations today when slavery existed 200 years ago? Think about it. Yes, public universities have ridiculously high minority acceptance rates and plentiful financial aid... but slavery. It existed.

[DonDadda59]

**** me.

What does it have do to with this country that poor people from poor countries cannot afford to get here? There are plenty of people in those countries who cannot get something to eat, let alone travel to the US. I fail to see how this is relevant to a discussion about legitimate immigrants, especially considering countries only want valuable immigrants and not trafficked prostitutes and chinese slaves, and they spend a lot of money trying to make this reality.

You keep talking about realities, but the reality from my perspective is that you're full of shit and incapable of saying anything relevant, so you launch into maudlin weepings over some irrelevant side-topic.

Your problem is that you inserted yourself into a conversation I was having with someone else. My arguments were pertinent to that exchange I don't really give two shits whether you agree or not.

And you sure do like the word maudlin :lol . Here's a bit of advice- it does not make you look more intelligent than you really are when you use it. Mix it up a bit. Get a thesaurus.

[knickballer]

It's not a 'straw man', it's a reality for many people in this country. The majority of people who come here and live the 'American Dream' were already living the 'Chinese Dream' or 'Indian Dream'. They come from the well-off sections of their home countries. They have the means and knowledge to attain visas, pay for travel, buy property, start businesses, attend institutions of higher learning, etc. Their quality of life may be better here than in their home country, but it's not like they arrive in the stereotypical penniless huddle masses. Those that do, the 'straw men'... that's their story.

I don't understand why you keep bringing up this argument that most of the immigrants that enter the country are financially well off and well educated and that's why they succeeded. That's hardly the case besides for students who come here for education but vast majority of the people who come here are pretty much poor and come here with nothing on their backs. Alot of these people are escaping war, genocide, real racism, poverty, etc..

Most immigrants come here, bust their balls, install strong principles in their kids and their kids and end up making a good living or that's what happens for European, Asian and African immigrants. If a person who can escape genocide in the Balkans or in Asia in the past 20 years can come to the US, make a good living, put their kids through school, etc, can do it I can't see why any person in the US can't make it.

But keep on making excuses why certain groups aren't as successful.

[DonDadda59]

I don't understand why you keep bringing up this argument that most of the immigrants that enter the country are financially well off and well educated and that's why they succeeded. That's hardly the case besides for students who come here for education but vast majority of the people who come here are pretty much poor and come here with nothing on their backs. Alot of these people are escaping war, genocide, real racism, poverty, etc..

Most immigrants come here, bust their balls, install strong principles in their kids and their kids and end up making a good living or that's what happens for European, Asian and African immigrants. If a person who can escape genocide in the Balkans or in Asia in the past 20 years can come to the US, make a good living, put their kids through school, etc, can do it I can't see why any person in the US can't make it.

But keep on making excuses why certain groups aren't as successful.

Go ahead and show me some empirical data that backs this up. I'll wait...

[Ed Wachter]

Go ahead and show me some empirical data that backs this up. I'll wait...

It's probably lost in the all data you posted.

[niko]

It's probably lost in the all data you posted.
It's so off putting to me that people create alts to argue with. Why not use your account? You don't want people to think your original account is arguing?

[Just2McFly]

This is why I f*cking hate this site sometimes. If it were directed at jews this shit would be deleted and multiple accounts would be banned ASAP.

[mehyaM24]

I don't understand why you keep bringing up this argument

understand that moron you're quoting has a tiny brain. maybe that answers your question?

its human nature to want to blame somebody else. i.e "the government destroyed the economy not my ridiculous spending" or "I cant find a job because of all those illegal immigrants." the racism excuse is just an easy one for some black people to use because it has often been true for many years.

[Ed Wachter]

understand that moron you're quoting has a tiny brain. maybe that answers your question?

its human nature to want to blame somebody else. i.e "the government destroyed the economy not my ridiculous spending" or "I cant find a job because of all those illegal immigrants." the racism excuse is just an easy one for some black people to use because it has often been true for many years.

Don't forget slavery.

[Ed Wachter]

This is why I f*cking hate this site sometimes. If it were directed at jews this shit would be deleted and multiple accounts would be banned ASAP.

Don actually attacked jews in one of his verbose posts in this thread, calling them natural money lenders or something. Check for yourself, if you dare.

[Dresta]

Your problem is that you inserted yourself into a conversation I was having with someone else. My arguments were pertinent to that exchange I don't really give two shits whether you agree or not.

And you sure do like the word maudlin :lol . Here's a bit of advice- it does not make you look more intelligent than you really are when you use it. Mix it up a bit. Get a thesaurus.
Using ad hominem as diversion, nice.

Keep thinking that was 'pertinent'

[DonDadda59]

Don actually attacked jews in one of his verbose posts in this thread, calling them natural money lenders or something. Check for yourself, if you dare.

Now you know that's not what happened Ed :no:

And we here at Insidehoops encourage open discourse, no matter how utterly clueless or overtly racist some of it may be. :cheers:

[mehyaM24]

You gotta love the inherent sense of superiority and subtle racism that's rampant in this thread. So many clueless people here.

i bet your puerto rican stunt double 'oh the horror' is probably crying somewhere. thats all you ever do here. bitch.

[Patrick Chewing]

the racism excuse is just an easy one for some black people to use because it has often been true for many years.


I would say this applied up until about the 60's or so. Failed opportunities nowadays for blacks lies in non-existent parenting/leadership. Look at the numbers. Worst family make-up of any race.

[Ed Wachter]

Now you know that's not what happened Ed :no:

And we here at Insidehoops encourage open discourse, no matter how utterly clueless or overtly racist some of it may be. :cheers:

It's what happened. I'm certain you used the term "money lender" more than once and not in a complimentary fashion.

I'd quote the post if I had the constitution to dig through them all.

[zoom17]

There some distributed racist posters in this thread.

[MightyWhitey]

Don't forget slavery.
Or a world without a mule.

[longtime lurker]

i bet your puerto rican stunt double 'oh the horror' is probably crying somewhere. thats all you ever do here. bitch.

I'm surprised you're taking time out to post here. I thought you'd be a millionaire because of your white skin, european background and the fact that you're just naturally a harder worker than every non european on the planet. I applaud the fact that you can break away from being a millionaire or billionaire to post on a message board.