Do you think Al Gore could have been a great US President???

[Lebron23]

What do you guys think??

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[PostUpFreak]

What do you guys think??

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Hows law school homie

[Lebron23]

Hows law school homie


I am busy with my food cart business. I have still have 2 months to decide if I am gonna continue my studies.

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Who are you?? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[mr.big35]

Hell no he would be the same as bush. He would gone crazy about global warming

[fiddy]

manbearpig

[PostUpFreak]

I am busy with my food cart business. I have still have 2 months to decide if I am gonna continue my studies.

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Who are you?? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
just some random countryman, im noob here doe, but i lurked here since 2012
Wish u luck with your business:rockon:

[Lebron23]

just some random countryman, im noob here doe, but i lurked here since 2012
Wish u luck with your business:rockon:


Ok. I hope the Philippine team win a game in the 2014 FIBA World Championship.

[ArbitraryWater]

I would like to believe so

[East_Stone_Ya]

Ok. I hope the Philippine team win a game in the 2014 FIBA World Championship.

why what an odd reply we have here

[gigantes]

What do you guys think??
i think the time for 'great' presidents has passed. more like-- can we find leaders who do a good job keeping the ship sailing?


having said that, gore would almost certainly have been a much better prez than junior, simply by cutting out some of the terrible mistakes like iraq, opposition to green initiatives, and debatably, not putting the current NSA surveillance program in place.

[Akrazotile]

having said that, gore would almost certainly have been a much better prez than junior, simply by cutting out some of the terrible mistakes like iraq, opposition to green initiatives, and debatably, not putting the current NSA surveillance program in place.


That's why Bush was put into office. Because those are things that typically slide with Republicans. Then of course all the Democrats get rowdy about it, and so they get their turn having a president in office, which shuts them up even though he's continuing the same policies.

You seriously think Bush just "made" decisions on anything? Like, on his own? You think any president does?



:facepalm


Our democracy doesn't determine any policy. It simply determines who stands at the podium and proclaims it. Both sides take turns so that everyone is kept in relative check.

[Akrazotile]

The elite interests in this world can essentially decide elections for themselves by choosing which candidates to put money behind. Look at how many people just take it for granted that only two choices receive heavy coverage. In fact, KevinNYC once argued with me that it was UNPATRIOTIC to vote for a third party candidate because they're not gonna win.

The same money is behind both candidates. They just switch on and off between parties to keep people divided, and caught up debating candidates rather than looking at policy details. Political 'journalism' in print, radio, and television has basically become Jerry Springer. It's just arguing and finger pointing at the other side. It's like kobe vs lebron with no actual discussion of basketball.

But the reason is because, MOST people simply aren't capable of anything more complex. They want to be in the discussion, they want to participate, they want to be on a side, a winning side, so you have to give them very simplistic talking points they can bleeeeet. Just go into any thread niko or Sarcastic or droid101 or KevinNYC or bagelred or Orange & Blue is in. You'll see exactly what I mean.



- Incidentally, Al Gore is a very competent man with an impressive lifetime resume. If Presidents actually did matter and made unilateral decisions, he would be far more qualified than Bush or Obama. But again... it doesn't matter. Money controls the parties and the parties control the people. The President is just a guy who waves at the camera.

[gigantes]

if massive oversimplification floats your boat, then may you sail peacefully. :cheers:

[Akrazotile]

if massive oversimplification floats your boat, then may you sail peacefully. :cheers:





gore would almost certainly have been a much better prez than junior, simply by cutting out some of the terrible mistakes like iraq, opposition to green initiatives, and debatably, not putting the current NSA surveillance program in place.


You... realize that you said this, right?

[gigantes]

You... realize that you said this, right?
- from everything i've ever read, iraq was a personal decision of bush and his team. i find it doubtful that any other president, GOP or dem, would have marched in there like that.

- bush and most repub's are typically resistant to green initiatives. that's just fact. but IIRC he specifically held us out of meaningful levels of kyoto compliance, whereas gore obviously would have gone in much the opposite direction.

- i've read that the current NSA surveillance model was actually put in to place under junior's regime. i might be mistaken, not 100%. it's also debatable as to its necessity, hence my use of the word "debatable."


you can rant and rave all you like about whatever you want, but you directed your reply to me for whatever reason.

[DonDadda59]

No way to know. We most likely wouldn't have gone into a pointless and costly war in Iraq over fabricated reasons though.

[Rodmantheman]

Who would have been a better President Al gore or Kerry?

[gigantes]

Akrazotile, you can still talk if you please.


i didn't mean to be an a-hole, but i'm allowed to rebut, no?


nothing against your opinion... sorry if it seemed so.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Shame on America for not voting for the smartest guy in the room and instead voting for the class clown in 2000.

[GASOL IS GOAT]

Al Gore is illuminati, he'd be no better than Bush.

[gigantes]

Al Gore is illuminati, he'd be no better than Bush.
oh, okay. so then, homework assignment, mister gasol-the-groat:


-learn skull and bones

-learn entrenched political constituencies

-learn energy now, no shackles, mofo!

[kNicKz]

oh, okay. so then, homework assignment, mister gasol-the-groat:


-learn skull and bones

-learn entrenched political constituencies

-learn energy now, no shackles, mofo!

trolled ^

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[MMM]

who was the last great American president???

My guess would someone pre JFK. Post Eisenhower has been filled with mediocre/poor presidents, and Gore would of been mediocre at best.

[Josh]

Too soft.

[HarryCallahan]

No way to know. We most likely wouldn't have gone into a pointless and costly war in Iraq over fabricated reasons though.

I don't know how you guys come to that conclusion. The whole WMD thing was started by National Security peeps, not executive peeps.

[brantonli]

- Incidentally, Al Gore is a very competent man with an impressive lifetime resume. If Presidents actually did matter and made unilateral decisions, he would be far more qualified than Bush or Obama. But again... it doesn't matter. Money controls the parties and the parties control the people. The President is just a guy who waves at the camera.


To be quite honest, this is kind of why I want to see a billionaire mount his own campaign for the Presidency. I know Bloomberg made it as Mayor of NYC, and he could pretty much claim independence from any source of money because he himself was so damn rich. Doubt it could work on a national scale though.

[HarryCallahan]

To be quite honest, this is kind of why I want to see a billionaire mount his own campaign for the Presidency. I know Bloomberg made it as Mayor of NYC, and he could pretty much claim independence from any source of money because he himself was so damn rich. Doubt it could work on a national scale though.

You've never heard of Ross Perot?

[embersyc]

I would never vote for a Republican, but I the only election I didn't vote for the Democratic candidate was Gore's.

A couple of reasons:

Lieberman as a running mate... seriously, this guy was in the wrong party anyways.

Him and his wife especially were huge supporters of media censorship throughout the nineties.

2000 was a no-win election for everybody.

Sure we might of avoided Iraq with Gore in office, but Gore would have been just as bad as W imo.

[Dave3]

No way to know. We most likely wouldn't have gone into a pointless and costly war in Iraq over fabricated reasons though.
And probably avoided the tax cuts that Bush implemented too.

[longhornfan1234]

who was the last great American president???

My guess would someone pre JFK. Post Eisenhower has been filled with mediocre/poor presidents, and Gore would of been mediocre at best.


Reagan.

[BigTicket]

I don't know if he would have been great, but he certainly would have been better than the Bush trainwreck.

[Akrazotile]

This thread is a pretty good example of the average mindset and it's interesting because it parallels the same thing you see on the NBA board.

Most people overestimate the real importance/impact of the President. No different than the way people over-rate the impact of volume scorers in basketball. Just because that's the face that's on camera the most doesn't mean his impact supersedes the entire rest of the squad.

Look at all these major policy changes people are theorizing just because you put a different face at the podium during the state of the union. You guys think Congress doesn't exist if Al Gore is president??

One guy says the Bush tax cuts wouldn't have passed. You mean those same tax cuts Obama quietly urged Congress to continue the first time they were set to expire? Someone says we wouldn't go to Iraq for WMD. Kind of like how Obama assured everyone of withdrawal by 2011? Oops. What year is this now? Oh wait, they just moved all the troops to Afghanistan so I guess nobody cares anymore?


The President doesn't do anything because it matters to YOU. They only pretend that much, because most people are simple minded sheep. You guys think I sound like a broken record? Well guess what, I'll stop saying it the day it's not true anymore. Look at the guy who was like "I'll never vote for the Republicans!" Kind of like "I'm a Lakers fan, so I never root for the Celtics!" Petty nonsense like that. That poster's understanding of politics is like a grain of sand on the beach. It's nothing. But he's got a side, there's one side that gets him all riled up and emotional and so he votes for the other side and it's set up like that. Monied interests and their politicians USE the momentum of the public's stupidity against itself. The reason America gives so many handouts is because they want to keep people just satisfied enough that they have too much to lose by bothering to revolt. Politicians don't give out welfare because they think you deserve it or because they care about you or believe in "the 99%" LMAO. Not even Democrats. Democratic politicians think every bit as little of you as Republican ones do, they just understand that half of them need to appease the handout grabbers, and half of them need to appease the Evangelicals. It's a total system. Even though I do believe Al Gore is a very smart man, the office of President is not that big. He's the fall guy. Even if he wants to do something that monied interests don't support, his people in Congress have those same monied interests in their pocket and will make it difficult. People are very naive here to the unpleasant truth about how the world works.

[Milbuck]

EXCELSIOR!

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[B-Low]

This thread is a pretty good example of the average mindset and it's interesting because it parallels the same thing you see on the NBA board.

Most people overestimate the real importance/impact of the President. No different than the way people over-rate the impact of volume scorers in basketball. Just because that's the face that's on camera the most doesn't mean his impact supersedes the entire rest of the squad.

Look at all these major policy changes people are theorizing just because you put a different face at the podium during the state of the union. You guys think Congress doesn't exist if Al Gore is president??

One guy says the Bush tax cuts wouldn't have passed. You mean those same tax cuts Obama quietly urged Congress to continue the first time they were set to expire? Someone says we wouldn't go to Iraq for WMD. Kind of like how Obama assured everyone of withdrawal by 2011? Oops. What year is this now? Oh wait, they just moved all the troops to Afghanistan so I guess nobody cares anymore?


The President doesn't do anything because it matters to YOU. They only pretend that much, because most people are simple minded sheep. You guys think I sound like a broken record? Well guess what, I'll stop saying it the day it's not true anymore. Look at the guy who was like "I'll never vote for the Republicans!" Kind of like "I'm a Lakers fan, so I never root for the Celtics!" Petty nonsense like that. That poster's understanding of politics is like a grain of sand on the beach. It's nothing. But he's got a side, there's one side that gets him all riled up and emotional and so he votes for the other side and it's set up like that. Monied interests and their politicians USE the momentum of the public's stupidity against itself. The reason America gives so many handouts is because they want to keep people just satisfied enough that they have too much to lose by bothering to revolt. Politicians don't give out welfare because they think you deserve it or because they care about you or believe in "the 99%" LMAO. Not even Democrats. Democratic politicians think every bit as little of you as Republican ones do, they just understand that half of them need to appease the handout grabbers, and half of them need to appease the Evangelicals. It's a total system. Even though I do believe Al Gore is a very smart man, the office of President is not that big. He's the fall guy. Even if he wants to do something that monied interests don't support, his people in Congress have those same monied interests in their pocket and will make it difficult. People are very naive here to the unpleasant truth about how the world works.

If you're gonna throw out 30 posts a day at least try not to be so boring

[Derka]

We haven't had a great president since FDR and before him Lincoln.

For the most part, they've been actors...guys hired to play the part so the real people in charge don't have to stand in front of cameras and answer dumb questions from our ridiculous newsmedia.

[Derka]

I don't know if he would have been great, but he certainly would have been better than the Bush trainwreck.

No he wouldn't.

9/11 would have happened whether it was Bush or Gore and the response would have been the same. Yes, including Iraq. The same bad intelligence would have been bought hook, line and sinker by the same intelligence agencies and the appointed drones in DC would have reacted exactly the same as Bush's boys and girls did. Then we'd have seen the same draconian measures we saw imposed post-9/11 would still have been imposed.

This is to say nothing of the fact that a Democrat winning in 2000 would probably have driven more Republican voters to the polls in the midterms, pushing Congress firmly under GOP stewardship. Gore, lacking Clinton's natural charm and ability to woo even his staunchest enemies, would have suffered three years of partisan gridlock.

[Akrazotile]

If you're gonna throw out 30 posts a day at least try not to be so boring



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[ROCSteady]

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Who are you?? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

What kinda stuff do you serve at your food cart?

[HarryCallahan]

We haven't had a great president since FDR and before him Lincoln.

For the most part, they've been actors...guys hired to play the part so the real people in charge don't have to stand in front of cameras and answer dumb questions from our ridiculous newsmedia.

Two of the four worst presidents.