The Matrix is the greatest movie ever made.

[IamRAMBO24]

1. Watch it 100x and understand the writing and script.

2. It is derived from Kant's idea (greatest mind of all time) and currently supported by the highest Science known to mankind (Quantum Physics).

3. It is hands down the greatest intellectual depth you will ever reach in your lifetime.

4. The philosophies behind it is the best knowledge we know as an advance human intelligence. It will take the rest of the population another 100 years to accept it as an objective view of reality.

5. It is a fictional account of our perception of reality, so although it represents the unknown reality as a machine world, the truth is we do not know and cannot possibly know what reality truely is (if there is one).

6. This means you will have to disregard everything you will ever learn in your education and accept another aspect of truth; start now and reach a higher level of consciousness (maybe you and I can finally be on the same level of thinking).

[gigantes]

1. Watch it 100x and understand the writing and script.

2. It is derived from Kant's idea (greatest mind of all time) and currently supported by the highest Science known to mankind (Quantum Physics).

3. It is hands down the greatest intellectual depth you will ever reach in your lifetime.

4. The philosophies behind it is the best knowledge we know as an advance human intelligence.

5. It is a fictional account of our perception of reality, so although it represents the unknown reality as a machine world, the truth is we do not know and cannot possibly know what reality truely is (if there is one).
my god, bro... you need to read more books.

(like, a lot a lot more books)

[dr.hee]

So OP just back from watching Matrix the first time, and now he's wondering...what if we're actually living in the Matrix? Damn son, you should make a Youtube video about this, gonna blow people's minds :eek:

What the hell is this, 1999?

[IamRAMBO24]

:biggums:

It has kantian physics to back it up (a theory) and the best evidence to back it up (Quantum Physics).

Your failure of understanding is simply your lack of intellect. Start doing your homework now. It took me 10 years of hardcore thinking to fully accept it as truth. You have a lot of work to do.

[IamRAMBO24]

So OP just back from watching Matrix the first time, and now he's wondering...what if we're actually living in the Matrix :eek:
Damn son, you should make a Youtube video about this, gonna blow people's minds...

What the hell is this, 1999?

Nope.

I've studied Kant for 10 years now; studied Quantum Physics for another 5 years. I know what the f*ck I'm talking about.

I challenge each and everyone of you to argue the premise it lays forth; do your homework before you respond. Thanks.

[IamRAMBO24]

I was also 10 once.

Argue the premise troll. That's right, too stupid to. As expected.

[dr.hee]

It is derived from Kant's idea (greatest mind of all time) and currently supported by the highest Science known to mankind (Quantum Physics).

How is it "derived from Kant's idea"?

And more importantly, how in the f*cking hell is that movie "supported" by Quantum Physics?

Damn :roll:

And Matrix isn't even the first movie using the idea of a simulated shared reality. OP can be impressed quite easily, lol.

[IamRAMBO24]

How is it "derived from Kant's idea"?

And more importantly, how in the f*cking hell is that movie "supported" by Quantum Physics?

Damn :roll:

You don't know a lick of Kant, and the movie is based on Planck's ideas of the Quantum world. I'm challenging your mind and asking you to do your homework. This will be the most intellectual discussion you will ever have if you take it seriously.

[Nick Young]

http://www.careerrocketeer.com/wp-content/uploads/Good-Bad-Ugly.jpg

Kant ain't shit

[IamRAMBO24]

http://www.careerrocketeer.com/wp-content/uploads/Good-Bad-Ugly.jpg

Kant ain't shit

It took Science over 100 years to catch up with him and Einstein pretty much plagiarized his ideas of space and time. You have to be really f*ckin smart to understand Kant. Obviously you are not.

[gigantes]

i only know kant from the pantheon of influential names.


what advice would you say he has for the modern wrold, rambo?

[Nick Young]

It took Science over 100 years to catch up with him and Einstein pretty much plagiarized his ideas of space and time. You have to be really f*ckin smart to understand Kant. Obviously you are not.
Dawg it took science 3,000 years to catch up to the bible and realize that the universe started with a big bang, scientists ain't shit, just like Kant who is Spinoza's bitch.

There's a reason Kant is known as Kant-Stand-Ya to the educated scholar.

[dr.hee]

You don't know a lick of Kant, and the movie is based on Planck's ideas of the Quantum world. I'm challenging your mind and asking you to do your homework. This will be the most intellectual discussion you will ever have if you take it seriously.

Since you're apparently an expert on Kant, why don't you explain to a dumbass like me how he's related to a 1999 hollywood blockbuster called "Matrix"?

The same for quantum mechanics...why would someone even need any of that to interpret this movie? I'm just an uneducated fool...so I'd appreciate an explanation how it's relevant at all...

[IamRAMBO24]

Since you're apparently an expert on Kant, why don't you explain to a dumbass like me how he's related to a 1999 hollywood blockbuster called "Matrix"?

The same for quantum mechanics...why would someone even need any of that to interpret this movie? I'm just an uneducated fool...so I'd appreciate an explanation how it's relevant at all...

I'm going to make it as simple as possible. I'm going to pretend I'm talking to a 10 year old.

1. Kant believe we have "instruments" that allow us to view this world. It is the 5 senses. It is the mind that constructs this reality. The core of our reality is made up of light, energy, vibrations, etc. The mind takes the light to create vision, vibration to create sound, etc. It is our mind that creates reality and not the other way around.

2. Planck (a much smarter scientist than Einstein) ran a few experiments that pretty much prove waves (electrical charges) don't actually become matter unless if someone looks at it. He concluded that matter does not exist and our observation of the world is what creates it, hence the creation of Quantum Physics (greatest science of all time).

[IamRAMBO24]

my god, bro... you need to read more books.

(like, a lot a lot more books)

What books are you talking about that is greater than Kant's Critique of Pure reason?

I really would like a response to this.

[IamRAMBO24]

Dawg it took science 3,000 years to catch up to the bible and realize that the universe started with a big bang, scientists ain't shit, just like Kant who is Spinoza's bitch.

There's a reason Kant is known as Kant-Stand-Ya to the educated scholar.

Trust me. You aint educated.

Kant > Spinoza

It's cute you actually can reference him, but I doubt you even read him. Kant is a genius pure and simple; the fact Quantum Theorists have to reread what he wrote 200 years ago proves beyond a shadow of doubt he knows what the f*ck he's talking about.

Like I said, Kant's ideas are so far ahead of it's time it'll take another 100 years before you peons can accept it as truth.

[JebronLames]

Lebron reminds me of neo because he is the one. Especially toward the end when it looked like he died. That was like lebron in game 5 of the 2012 ECF. Then game 6 was like neo jumping into the agent and killing him. :rockon:

[IamRAMBO24]

Lebron reminds me of neo because he is the one. Especially toward the end when it looked like he died. That was like lebron in game 5 of the 2012 ECF. Then game 6 was like neo jumping into the agent and killing him. :rockon:

Lebron is the neo of basketball: he's creating his reality; what these trolls don't realize is if reality is a perception, you have the power to change it through your imagination.

There is this motivational docu called the secret. The reason why it does not work for many people is because they still believe in some caveman Science that tells them their perception is real and they can't do a lick about it.

[Budadiiii]

Lebron is the neo of basketball: he's creating his reality; what these trolls don't realize is if reality is a perception, you have the power to change it through your imagination.

There is this motivational docu called the secret. The reason why it does not work for many people is because they still believe in some caveman Science that tells them their perception is real and they can't do a lick about it.
My avatar is relevant to this absurd post.

[IamRAMBO24]

My avatar is relevant to this absurd post.

The greats are creating their reality in basketball: Jordan said the game is 99% mental and 1% physical. What he meant by this is he's creating his game based on his imagination. That's how reality works: it's a series of ideas. The idea there is a reality apart from this is elementary and absurd at best.

Newtonian physics is dead. Fact. It is sad 99% of ISH posters are still brainwashed by this ancient line of perception.

[Wavves]

Studied the Matrix when I did Philosophy In high school. Good times. And a good movie.

[Budadiiii]

The greats are creating their reality in basketball: Jordan said the game is 99% mental and 1% physical. What he meant by this is he's creating his game based on his imagination. That's how reality works: it's a series of ideas. The idea there is a reality apart from this is elementary and absurd at best.
Yeah, being black, 6'6, with a 48' vertical had 1% to do with it.

99% imagination.

I'm imagining that you're a f*ggot. Must be true.

[IamRAMBO24]

Yeah, being black, 6'6, with a 48' vertical had 1% to do with it.

99% imagination.

I'm imagining that you're a f*ggot. Must be true.

STFU.

You don't understand Kant. Come back at me when you've done your homework. Thanks.

[gigantes]

What books are you talking about that is greater than Kant's Critique of Pure reason?

I really would like a response to this.
ah, no... i was responding to your hyperbole upon the matrix.

that is, i think i can speak for a certain audience in saying that when we first saw the matrix, we collectively rolled our eyes a bit. just about every little bit (and much more) had been covered by SF-authors the previous three decades or so.

kant and kant-scholerism is all very well and good, but IMO you've got to develop the inner kant (and others) should you decide to go anywhere. he can inspire you, he can vaguely point the way, but the godawful work still comes down to you doing the hard work of examining your own mind and making adjustments over time.

call it the inner universe forming a proactive collective with the outer universe.

[Angel Face]

http://memestorage.com/_nw/21/07750405.jpg

[Budadiiii]

STFU.

You don't understand Kant. Come back at me when you've done your homework. Thanks.
Are you implying that LeBron and Jordan are able to shape their life with calculated decisions or actually practicing the law of attraction better than everyone else?

Seriously, what the hell are you trying to say? Bringing up genetic freaks up nature and the law of attraction and discrediting Newton and all of his observations is ****ing wacky.

Then again, you don't actually believe this shit and you're just trolling per usual. :facepalm

[Budadiiii]

lol

freaks OF nature
Are you serious? :facepalm

Just a mistake on my part. You don't think I know this? LOL.

[Budadiiii]

Calm down. I would hope you know. :roll:
Alrighty. Just kind OF strange you randomly pointed that out.

Changed the whole dynamic of the thread now. We derailed another one. :facepalm

[IamRAMBO24]

Are you implying that LeBron and Jordan are able to shape their life with calculated decisions or actually practicing the law of attraction better than everyone else?

Seriously, what the hell are you trying to say? Bringing up genetic freaks up nature and the law of attraction and discrediting Newton and all of his observations is ****ing wacky.

Then again, you don't actually believe this shit and you're just trolling per usual. :facepalm

I know how slick you can be with your reasoning dumbsh*t, but guess what, I have one up on you: the idea you still think Newton is relevant today shows how little you know about the best ideas today.

Like I said, come back at me when you've done your homework on Kant and Quantum Physics. Thanks.

[IamRAMBO24]

Alrighty. Just kind OF strange you randomly pointed that out.

Changed the whole dynamic of the thread now. We derailed another one. :facepalm

Troll confirmation.

The forum should see these 2 alter egos as nothing more than that.

[Budadiiii]

I can understand a typo but up and of is a bit of a reach...

Freak up nature

Like the title of a shitty B movie

I think this is a legit diamond dozen moment.
If you were smart you would notice the sentece started with the words.. "Bringing up" and then come to the conclusion that it was just a simple mistake that my mind made because of how similar of and up sound so I typed up again instead of.. well, of.

Sometimes I type too fast for my own good and make stupid ass mistakes.

[IamRAMBO24]

Budadaii is nothing more than a troll trying to derail a thread when he's being challenged from an intellectual standpoint outright.

:lol

Go ahead and derail this thread loser. I've clearly revealed who you are.

Moe sounds like his little b*tch (or could it be his alt account?).

[Budadiiii]

I know how slick you can be with your reasoning dumbsh*t, but guess what, I have one up on you: the idea you still think Newton is relevant today shows how little you know about the best ideas today.

Like I said, come back at me when you've done your homework on Kant and Quantum Physics. Thanks.
Ok, I'll bite.

Educate us Rambo. Tell us why Newton's laws of motion are no longer relevant today. I'm sure NASA would love to here it.

Give me the insight!

[IamRAMBO24]

Ok, I'll bite.

Educate us Rambo. Tell us why Newton's laws of motion are no longer relevant today. I'm sure NASA would love to here it.

Give me the insight!

Because Einstein's is better.

Let's end this argument here. I haven't even gotten to Kant or QP. Do your homework idiot before you respond.

[Budadiiii]

Yeah, those accidents are freaks up nature.
You're such a ****ing troll.

I even googled "Budadiiii freak of nature" because you're an annoying little pest.

Here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287813

Troll confirmed. Stop derailing the thread.

:oldlol:

[dr.hee]

that is, i think i can speak for a certain audience in saying that when we first saw the matrix, we collectively rolled our eyes a bit. just about every little bit (and much more) had been covered by SF-authors the previous three decades or so.

This.

I like the Matrix as a movie, it's just that the concepts underlying the script are fairly non trivial and just not really that exciting. The whole "What if we're really in the Matrix?" thing was an easy and convenient way back in the day for pubescent boys to delude themselves into sounding profound and intelligent between playing Max Payne and looking at girls' asses in highschool class.

That being said...the whole simulation idea is pretty compelling to me. It's just that you don't need Wikipedia-level knowledge of Kant and quantum mechanics in order to argue for it. It's just common sense. The existence of dreams we aren't reliably able to distinguish from what we call "reality" is more than enough to make such arguments.

I mean basically...Matrix was simply the brain in a vat-idea applied to many humans in the context of a shared reality. You don't need philosophical ramblings and half-assed physics for that. Just the assumption that is shouldn't matter for our own perception of the world whether the input is coming through our sensory system or directly applied to the relevant brain areas themselves. So if it's indeed practically possible (no idea if we'll ever find out) to make the brain respond in the same way to artificially created input than it does to data our sensory system is gathering, a simulation isn't that strange of a thought.

An even better example for this than dreams are neurophysiological differences between auditory hallucinations and imagining a voice. In short...using neuroimaging, we can distinguish if someone is hearing a real voice or just imagining a conversation, because brain areas related to processing data coming in from the outside aren't active when imagining a sound. But we can't tell if someone is hallucinating a voice or hearing a real one only by looking at brain images, because even without any input, the brain still activates the same areas anyway. Hallucinations appear real for people, because the brain is doing exactly the same thing as if the voice was really there. Pretty cool.

So in theory, if it's somehow possible to feed the brain with the relevant data, there's not much that's speaking against simulation arguments.

The whole topic is pretty interesting...but that's not the point OP was trying to make. He just needed to find a way to incorporate his perceived vast knowledge of certain areas (Kant, quantum physics) into a topic, trying to delude himself into believing that he's a profound thinker with a lot of original ideas.

The truth is...the idea of reality as a simulation wasn't invented by the Wachowski brothers, and Kant and quantum mechanics are completely irrelevant in order to understand this movie. Now OP has to disagree of course, since rambling about some shit he read on Wikipedia is his way of getting validation, but in the end...I know the exact same talk from the Matrix Reloaded days in the form of dialogues between drunk teenagers late at a party. Nothing wrong with it, but nothing impressive either.

Anyway...I really think we're living inside a computer. The OP is solid proof for our alien overlords being able to accurately simulate a ph@ggot.

[IamRAMBO24]

This.

I like the Matrix as a movie, it's just that the concepts underlying the script are fairly non trivial and just not really that exciting. The whole "What if we're really in the Matrix?" thing was an easy and convenient way back in the day for pubescent boys to delude themselves into sounding profound and intelligent between playing Max Payne and looking at girls' asses in highschool class.

That being said...the whole simulation idea is pretty compelling to me. It's just that you don't need Wikipedia-level knowledge of Kant and quantum mechanics in order to argue for it. It's just common sense. The existence of dreams we aren't reliably able to distinguish from what we call "reality" is more than enough to make such arguments.

I mean basically...Matrix was simply the brain in a vat-idea applied to many humans in the context of a shared reality. You don't need philosophical ramblings and half-assed physics for that. Just the assumption that is shouldn't matter for our own perception of the world whether the input is coming through our sensory system or directly applied to the relevant brain areas themselves. So if it's indeed practically possible (no idea if we'll ever find out) to make the brain respond in the same way to artificially created input than it does to data our sensory system is gathering, a simulation isn't that strange of a thought.

An even better example for this than dreams are neurophysiological differences between auditory hallucinations and imagining a voice. In short...using neuroimaging, we can distinguish if someone is hearing a real voice or just imagining a conversation, because brain areas related to processing data coming in from the outside aren't active when imagining a sound. But we can't tell if someone is hallucinating a voice or hearing a real one only by looking at brain images, because even without any input, the brain still activates the same areas anyway. Hallucinations appear real for people, because the brain is doing exactly the same thing as if the voice was really there. Pretty cool.

So in theory, if it's somehow possible to feed the brain with the relevant data, there's not much that's speaking against simulation arguments.

The whole topic is pretty interesting...but that's not the point OP was trying to make. He just needed to find a way to incorporate his perceived vast knowledge of certain areas (Kant, quantum physics) into a topic, trying to delude himself into believing that he's a profound thinker with a lot of original ideas.

The truth is...the idea of reality as a simulation wasn't invented by the Wachowski brothers, and Kant and quantum mechanics are completely irrelevant in order to understand this movie. Now OP has to disagree of course, since rambling about some shit he read on Wikipedia is his way of getting validation, but in the end...I know the exact same talk from the Matrix Reloaded days in the form of dialogues between drunk teenagers late at a party. Nothing wrong with it, but nothing impressive either.

Anyway...I really think we're living inside a computer. The OP is solid proof for our alien overlords being able to accurately simulate a ph@ggot.

Thanks for the elaboration but you are forgetting one simple experiment: duality of waves.

Let's key on that and truly understand what it really means. It is the best idea of today by the mere fact it has not been discarded and the best geniuses are working to further the idea.

[Budadiiii]

LOL @ how ironic that thread is right now. :roll:

Can't even make this shit up.

Anyways..


Rambo you're dodging cuz you ain't got a clue about the shit you spewin' bruh. Youz a mother ****ing troll.

But I do see how you bait people into responding with well thought out posts. It's your turn to actually defend whatever point you're trying to make. You made the thread, now ****ing educate us, troll.

[Budadiiii]

Did you really need to prove that?:lol
The random irony makes it worth the effort.

"He has developed this incredible athleticism/stamina/durability with INTENSE visualization/meditation techniques and INCREDIBLE will power"

Rambo is on to something here. Westbrook shaping his reality with his imagination. :eek:

[dr.hee]

Thanks for the elaboration but you are forgetting one simple: duality of waves.

Let's key on that and truly understand what it really means. [B] It is the best idea of today by the mere fact it has not been discarded and the best geniuses are working to further the idea.[/B

]

Completely irrelevant. The only question you could derive from watching the Matrix is whether it's practically possible to use computer generated input in order to elicit the same brain response patterns that result from our sensory system. Everything else is pseudo-intellectial bullshit (that's where you'll scream "AD HOMINEM" btw...). Duality of waves? GTFO.

Not impressed, kid. You've brought nothing new to the table that hasn't been discussed to death by high school kids after watching Matrix Reloaded. Come on, you can do better.

:kobe:

[IamRAMBO24]

Completely irrelevant. The only question you could derive from watching the Matrix is whether it's practically possible to use computer generated input in order to elicit the same brain response patterns that result from our sensory system. Everything else is pseudo-intellectial bullshit (that's where you'll scream "AD HOMINEM" btw...). Duality of waves? GTFO.

Not impressed, kid. You've brought nothing new to the table that hasn't been discussed to death by high school kids after watching Matrix Reloaded. Come on, you can do better.

:kobe:

The movie is based on Planck's ideas of the Quantum World. The machine and computer part are purely fictional. The concepts still stand. Stand with me and swallow the red pill.

[dr.hee]

The movie is based on Planck's ideas of the Quantum World.

Uh, how?




Educate us Rambo. Tell us why Newton's laws of motion are no longer relevant today. I'm sure NASA would love to here it.

Well Rambo has point there. The Matrix does in fact contradict everything we know about physics. Just look at this...

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/5/20/16/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7649-1369081559-22.gif

Laws of motion my ass...how can that shot go in? It's all done by imagination, bro.

[Bandito]

OP just like to make threads that gets a of attention.

[Bandito]

Hell are you blabbering about?

Rambo been dodging.
What he does is he takes the thing that agree with his premise and ignores everything else and then say he is right. Just look at the thread about the school. He made the same thing, one of the reasons I stop post there, like why bother.

[IamRAMBO24]

What he does is he takes the thing that agree with his premise and ignores everything else and then say he is right. Just look at the thread about the school. He made the same thing, one of the reasons I stop post there, like why bother.

This is how an argument works:

1. Present an argument.

2. Back it up.

3. Formulate a conclusion.

It is not my fault you idiots won't focus on the premise and keep on sidetracking it. I always try to divert it back to the premise, hence why I ignore all the trolls that try to derail it.

[IamRAMBO24]

Truth of the matter is trolls like Budadaii are too stupid to take it head on.

[Budadiiii]

http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/4740/brb-using-imagination.jpg

[IamRAMBO24]

Uh, how?





Well Rambo has point there. The Matrix does in fact contradict everything we know about physics. Just look at this...

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/5/20/16/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7649-1369081559-22.gif

Laws of motion my ass...how can that shot go in? It's all done by imagination, bro.

You can't have movement without thought. Reflect on that for a moment. How will that ball go in without a mental focus on making it in?

[IamRAMBO24]

The greatest baller of all time said it: basketball has very little to do with physical but all mental.

[Bandito]

This is how an argument works:

1. Present an argument.

2. Back it up.

3. Formulate a conclusion.

It is not my fault you idiots won't focus on the premise and keep on sidetracking it. I always try to divert it back to the premise, hence why I ignore all the trolls that try to derail it.
cool story bro

[IamRAMBO24]

cool story bro

In the education thread, nobody knew who bloom was nor the methodology he presented.

In this thread, nobody knows anything about Kant nor do they have an inkling of Quantum Physics.

Now tell me who is the true idiot?

[YouGotServed]

lol @ this shitfest. OP is a pretentious troll.

[IamRAMBO24]

lol @ this shitfest. OP is a pretentious troll.

No trolling here my friend. Like every single thread I've made, I want to take your thinking to the next level. I make sure what I'm saying is backed up with the strongest facts from the greatest minds.

It is not my fault most people can't comprehend where I am coming from. It is a fact the majority of the population are stupid, and this very well extends to ISH as well.

[embersyc]

The original Matrix is dragged down by two of the worst sequels in movie history and by horrible acting in every scene.

[DonD13]

i liked Jurassic Park better

[Bandito]

In the education thread, nobody knew who bloom was nor the methodology he presented.

In this thread, nobody knows anything about Kant nor do they have an inkling of Quantum Physics.

Now tell me who is the true idiot?
That would not make somebody an idiot to be begin with.

That's being ignorant, because ignorance can be cured by reading and/or learning. Idiocy cannot be cured.

Example: Just go to the NBA forum:lol

Secondly, in this thread can you send me a quote when I called you an idiot? You don't have to be so defensive bro.

[dr.hee]

i liked Jurassic Park better

Which one? Also...Jeff Goldblum > Immanuel Kant. Einstein is shitting on both though. But Durant had 54 points yesterday, just sayin...

[Jailblazers7]

No trolling here my friend. Like every single thread I've made, I want to take your thinking to the next level. I make sure what I'm saying is backed up with the strongest facts from the greatest minds.

It is not my fault most people can't comprehend where I am coming from. It is a fact the majority of the population are stupid, and this very well extends to ISH as well.

But you haven't really said anything in this thread. You made some general statements about Kant and Quantum Physics and then called everyone an idiot who doesn't get where you are coming from. Some people aren't very familiar with Kant or Quantum Physics not because they are stupid but because they simply haven't read much about the subjects.

You tell us you have spent 10 years learning about these subjects and then tell everyone to "do their homework" before you will respond to them. Sorry but most people aren't going to spend all day learning about a topic just so they can respond to some dude on ISH. You should be more willing to earnestly communicate your ideas if you want these threads to be anything more than you trying to get attention.

[DonDadda59]

http://www.careerrocketeer.com/wp-content/uploads/Good-Bad-Ugly.jpg

Kant ain't shit

I always like For a Few Dollars More... more.

But the correct answer is:

http://www3.images.coolspotters.com/wallpapers/96000/the-godfather-part-ii-mobile-wallpaper.jpg

The Matrix franchise fell off HARD after the first film.

[andgar923]

Even if the OP is correct when he states that it may be the most intellectual film of all time, how does it make it the Michael Jordan?

A smart movie just means that... that it's 'smart'. Not most entertaining, or acted, or directed, or written or shot, or etc.etc. It has 'an' element that may be superior (again... still some debate) to many others, but not the MJ.

Also, no movie that has Keanu as its star can ever be the MJ... just can't, it's simple common sense that doesn't require Kant to know.

[andgar923]

What about Point Break?

One word:

Patrick Swayze

http://www.varietyportal.com/wp-content/uploads/galleries/patrickswayze.jpg

[Lamar Doom]

But you haven't really said anything in this thread. You made some general statements about Kant and Quantum Physics and then called everyone an idiot who doesn't get where you are coming from. Some people aren't very familiar with Kant or Quantum Physics not because they are stupid but because they simply haven't read much about the subjects.

You tell us you have spent 10 years learning about these subjects and then tell everyone to "do their homework" before you will respond to them. Sorry but most people aren't going to spend all day learning about a topic just so they can respond to some dude on ISH. You should be more willing to earnestly communicate your ideas if you want these threads to be anything more than you trying to get attention.


This. Having a hard time believing you've got 15 years of research on Kant and Quantum Physics here. Thread seems like you read the cliffs notes of someone's thesis about Kant and the Matrix and are just trying to flex your knowledge despite a cursory handle on the material. You've got 15 years of research on us, not sure what kind of "homework" we can do to compete with that. How about you enlighten us or blow our minds with some real critical thought about what you've taken from the film and it's relevance to quantum physics/Kant instead of laying out some simple ideas and berating anyone who isn't treating your posts as gospel?

[Jackass18]

I learned from all of his conspiracy theory threads that it's not worth arguing with Rambo. He's a nutbag who is greatly hampered by confirmation bias.

[Bandito]

I learned from all of his conspiracy theory threads that it's not worth arguing with Rambo. He's a nutbag who is greatly hampered by confirmation bias.He's always right and everyone else is an idiot:lol

[niko]

my god, bro... you need to read more books.

(like, a lot a lot more books)
Or step outside occassionaly, talk to anyone, pay more attention in school. Lots of things would help.

[miller-time]

2. Planck (a much smarter scientist than Einstein) ran a few experiments that pretty much prove waves (electrical charges) don't actually become matter unless if someone looks at it. He concluded that matter does not exist and our observation of the world is what creates it, hence the creation of Quantum Physics (greatest science of all time).

If we don't observe the electrons in the double slit experiment we see the interference pattern created by their wave like behavior. However if we look at events from our past we don't see interference patterns but matter behaving like matter. All of the geological events that occurred billions of years ago show no evidence of wave like behavior yet no human was ever there to observe them. Those events have already occurred so they shouldn't be subject to conscious influence any longer just like the results for the non-observed interference pattern in the double slit experiment.

[IamRAMBO24]

If we don't observe the electrons in the double slit experiment we see the interference pattern created by their wave like behavior. However if we look at events from our past we don't see interference patterns but matter behaving like matter. All of the geological events that occurred billions of years ago show no evidence of wave like behavior yet no human was ever there to observe them. Those events have already occurred so they shouldn't be subject to conscious influence any longer just like the results for the non-observed interference pattern in the double slit experiment.

Then I present to you the concept of quantum entanglement. A photon in the present can actually alter one in the past.

What does this mean in elementary terms?

This means our current conscious observation of a photon can alter the "geolical events" of the past. It goes to reason if we can alter physical matter in the past state, we are changing history itself.

This is the reason why some scientists are talking about time travel based on the laws of this new science.

[Ed Wachter]

Look at the cute little philosopher pretending he's in a hard science field.

[IamRAMBO24]

Look at the cute little philosopher pretending he's in a hard science field.

The more I learn about Quantum Physics the more I am beginning to accept this field of study. It took them over 200 years to catch up with sh*t we already knew. I was anti science because I was anti Newton and his perception of the material world. This is an age old ideology philosophy has already destroyed with Berkeley, so it was hard to take it seriously.

Science is only beginning to catch up to philosophy. Congrats. :applause: It is sad though that the Science they teach in education will keep the students dumbed down and not truly comprehend what reality is.

[miller-time]

Then I present to you the concept of quantum entanglement. A photon in the present can actually alter one in the past.

What does this mean in elementary terms?

This means our current conscious observation of a photon can alter the "geolical events" of the past. It goes to reason if we can alter physical matter in the past state, we are changing history itself.

If that were the case then why do we still see the interference pattern in the double slit experiment? Shouldn't photons in the future be interacting with the results and reordering them in a way so we never observe the interference pattern? Why can we see the interference patten in the experimental data but not in the the geological data?

[Bandito]

The more I learn about Quantum Physics the more I am beginning to accept this field of study. It took them over 200 years to catch up with sh*t we already knew. I was anti science because I was anti Newton and his perception of the material world. This is an age old ideology philosophy has already destroyed with Berkeley, so it was hard to take it seriously.

Science is only beginning to catch up to philosophy. Congrats. :applause: It is sad though that the Science they teach in education will keep the students dumbed down and not truly comprehend what reality is.
This guy thinks he's Sheldon:lol

[Draz]

Believe it or not I never seen The Matrix.

[IamRAMBO24]

If that were the case then why do we still see the interference pattern in the double slit experiment? Shouldn't photons in the future be interacting with the results and reordering them in a way so we never observe the interference pattern? Why can we see the interference patten in the experimental data but not in the the geological data?

Interference supports entanglement. Single particles are interfering with themselves, this means the state of one particle is not seperate from another whether it is in the past or present. Therefore the present particle state can alter the past one.

Even history itself is a perception of our current state. This idea is hard to grasp, but it is now an established fact based on numerous experiments.

[KingBeasley08]

Interference supports entanglement. Single particles are interfering with themselves, this means the state of one particle is not seperate from another whether it is in the past or present. Therefore the present particle state can alter the past one.

Even history itself is a perception of our current state. This idea is hard to grasp, but it is now an established fact based on numerous experiments.
This makes absolutely no sense :wtf:

[IamRAMBO24]

This makes absolutely no sense :wtf:

We can alter the past; what happens in the past is no longer an objective reality but rather a reflection of our present mental state. Sure we might have photos, artifacts, videos, etc. to remind us of the past, but the past is nothing more than just a thought, a memory, it doesn't exist other than our reflection of it.

[T.O.RapsJays]

This is literally the first time I've ever seen anyone talk sh!t about Einstein. It's basically the same line of reasoning that young/uneducated posters say that in today's game Wilt=Scalabrine. Tell us more how school is unimportant, and kids should instantly pick a career at the ripe age of 6.

You can see that OP repeats each post with the same thoughts, most likely copy/pasting from someone else and changing few words here and there. If you're so knowledgeable about the universe stop posting BS on a messageboard and publish an article about it.

[Bandito]

This is literally the first time I've ever seen anyone talk sh!t about Einstein. It's basically the same line of reasoning that young/uneducated posters say that in today's game Wilt=Scalabrine. Tell us more how school is unimportant, and kids should instantly pick a career at the ripe age of 6.

You can see that OP repeats each post with the same thoughts, most likely copy/pasting from someone else and changing few words here and there. If you're so knowledgeable about the universe stop posting BS on a messageboard and publish an article about it.
It doesn't matter because you're wrong and an idiot.

[IamRAMBO24]

This is literally the first time I've ever seen anyone talk sh!t about Einstein. It's basically the same line of reasoning that young/uneducated posters say that in today's game Wilt=Scalabrine. Tell us more how school is unimportant, and kids should instantly pick a career at the ripe age of 6.

You can see that OP repeats each post with the same thoughts, most likely copy/pasting from someone else and changing few words here and there. If you're so knowledgeable about the universe stop posting BS on a messageboard and publish an article about it.

Look as we advance through intellect, older ideas will be replaced by new ones. Einstein's biggest downfall is his unwillingness to accept the Quantum World. The more we understand QP, the less relevant he will be; just like how he made Newton irrevelant before him.

[T.O.RapsJays]

It doesn't matter because you're wrong and an idiot.

Bro, go do your homework and then come back with an actual intellectual argument. I have 15+ years of studying on the matter, even though that's only because I imagined it so.

Like one of the greatest athletes ever in the NBA once said: "The game is 99% mental, 1% physical."

[T.O.RapsJays]

1.Stop being an idiot.

2.You need more research on this matter.

Damn, I forgot to bold an irrelevant part of my post, good catch. But it's ok, since history is only what I make it out to be, I'll imagine a better reality.

[Budadiiii]

Bro, go do your homework and then come back with an actual intellectual argument. I have 15+ years of studying on the matter, even though that's only because I imagined it so.

Like one of the greatest athletes ever in the NBA once said: "The game is 99% mental, 1% physical."
Troll confirmed.

Albert Einstein once said that intelligence is 99% physical, 1% mental...

Wait... that's not right. It doesn't matter. You're still an idiot and a troll. Come back when you've done your homework. Thanks.

[Bandito]

Bro, go do your homework and then come back with an actual intellectual argument. I have 15+ years of studying on the matter, even though that's only because I imagined it so.

Like one of the greatest athletes ever in the NBA once said: "The game is 99% mental, 1% physical."
I was being sarcastic...

[Budadiiii]

I was being sarcastic...
Is this sarcasm or unintended irony? The world may never know.

[Jailblazers7]

Look as we advance through intellect, older ideas will be replaced by new ones. Einstein's biggest downfall is his unwillingness to accept the Quantum World. The more we understand QP, the less relevant he will be; just like how he made Newton irrevelant before him.

So Einstein is a dick because he didn't figure everything out all at once? It's one thing to disagree but another to disrespect.

[T.O.RapsJays]

I was being sarcastic...

Wat? Notsureifsrus...


Albert Einstein once said that intelligence is 99% physical, 1% mental...

He clearly plagiarized that phrase.

[gigantes]

... That being said...the whole simulation idea is pretty compelling to me. It's just that you don't need Wikipedia-level knowledge of Kant and quantum mechanics in order to argue for it. It's just common sense. The existence of dreams we aren't reliably able to distinguish from what we call "reality" is more than enough to make such arguments.

I mean basically...Matrix was simply the brain in a vat-idea applied to many humans in the context of a shared reality. You don't need philosophical ramblings and half-assed physics for that. Just the assumption that is shouldn't matter for our own perception of the world whether the input is coming through our sensory system or directly applied to the relevant brain areas themselves. So if it's indeed practically possible (no idea if we'll ever find out) to make the brain respond in the same way to artificially created input than it does to data our sensory system is gathering, a simulation isn't that strange of a thought.

An even better example for this than dreams are neurophysiological differences between auditory hallucinations and imagining a voice. In short...using neuroimaging, we can distinguish if someone is hearing a real voice or just imagining a conversation, because brain areas related to processing data coming in from the outside aren't active when imagining a sound. But we can't tell if someone is hallucinating a voice or hearing a real one only by looking at brain images, because even without any input, the brain still activates the same areas anyway. Hallucinations appear real for people, because the brain is doing exactly the same thing as if the voice was really there. Pretty cool.

So in theory, if it's somehow possible to feed the brain with the relevant data, there's not much that's speaking against simulation arguments. ...
best post i've read here in a while. :cheers:

[BankShot]

1. Kant believe we have "instruments" that allow us to view this world. It is the 5 senses. It is the mind that constructs this reality. The core of our reality is made up of light, energy, vibrations, etc. The mind takes the light to create vision, vibration to create sound, etc. It is our mind that creates reality and not the other way around.

2. Planck (a much smarter scientist than Einstein) ran a few experiments that pretty much prove waves (electrical charges) don't actually become matter unless if someone looks at it. He concluded that matter does not exist and our observation of the world is what creates it, hence the creation of Quantum Physics (greatest science of all time).

C'mon now, this thread will be much more effect with posts like this, OP.

Clearly these ideas are beyond what the average person is exposed to, and since your'e so passionate about this kind of thought why don't you use this opportunity to at least try to share your years of experience and understanding instead of assigning homework and being condescending

Explain what about Eistein physics is outdated... maybe explain or postulate about what carries over and how Einstein's understanding inspired the new school of thought.

Potentially interesting stuff, but if you're looking for well-rearched, hard debate, about quantum physics then this probably isn't the internet community for you. If you're truly passionate and have spent so much time with it, then share it with us so we too can be interested and learn

[miller-time]

We can alter the past; what happens in the past is no longer an objective reality but rather a reflection of our present mental state. Sure we might have photos, artifacts, videos, etc. to remind us of the past, but the past is nothing more than just a thought, a memory, it doesn't exist other than our reflection of it.

But the point is that if we are altering the past why do we still see an interference pattern after the non-observed experiment has been performed? By observing the data we should only see a discrete pattern because our present perception should influence the results of the past experiment no?

[Overdrive]

Damn..



2. Planck (a much smarter scientist than Einstein) ran a few experiments that pretty much prove waves (electrical charges) don't actually become matter unless if someone looks at it. He concluded that matter does not exist and our observation of the world is what creates it, hence the creation of Quantum Physics (greatest science of all time).

Planck postulated that actual matter is made of energy of discrete levels and that wavelength & energy are coupled. De Broglie proved that years later.
He hasn't said if you don't look there's no matter, he said if you can not look there's no matter. Meaning if something permits waves from escaping matter can not be formed.


Then I present to you the concept of quantum entanglement. A photon in the present can actually alter one in the past.

What does this mean in elementary terms?

This means our current conscious observation of a photon can alter the "geolical events" of the past. It goes to reason if we can alter physical matter in the past state, we are changing history itself.

This is the reason why some scientists are talking about time travel based on the laws of this new science.

This whole concept relies on an experiment of which scientists are not yet sure if it's not a failure of measurement.


Interference supports entanglement. Single particles are interfering with themselves, this means the state of one particle is not seperate from another whether it is in the past or present. Therefore the present particle state can alter the past one.

Even history itself is a perception of our current state. This idea is hard to grasp, but it is now an established fact based on numerous experiments.


We can alter the past; what happens in the past is no longer an objective reality but rather a reflection of our present mental state. Sure we might have photos, artifacts, videos, etc. to remind us of the past, but the past is nothing more than just a thought, a memory, it doesn't exist other than our reflection of it.

I've seen and heard alot of people talk quantum physics and the mostly get tangled up in philosophical stuff like reality. If you want to apply quantum mechanics you have the accept that there's a descriptive reality, because first and foremost you need math. You can disregard empirism - which you obviously do, but not rationalism. Breaking that down to Matrix. Basically it doesn't matter if you live in the Matrix or outside of it. The mind is always there. Neo is Neo inside and outside the Matrix. His mind behaves the same way.

So basically men are made of materia, which itself is made of energy. That makes it possible to grasp rational concepts. Doesn't matter if our conceived reality is the truth. The mind is.

Maybe it's english not being my first language, but it seems to me that you don't know what interference means.

You say you can alter the past, because the reality is made up of photons that don't exist unless you look and since you can not look into the past the past can be changed.


Look as we advance through intellect, older ideas will be replaced by new ones. Einstein's biggest downfall is his unwillingness to accept the Quantum World. The more we understand QP, the less relevant he will be; just like how he made Newton irrevelant before him.

Damn Einstein got the Nobelprice for proving Plancks postulates. You should study ten more years. You're quoting the duality of waves, which are a concept of Einstein and nonchalantly state that he disregarded quantum physics.

What you mix up is that the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics at some points basically can not co-exist unless you regard concepts that are generally set in stone(as time), but those are mathematical problems not reality issues.


Because Einstein's is better.


Einstein basically applies Newton's laws of physics(which ones do you mean anyway?), but says that they are not absolut and need tweeking depending on the inertial frame. What Einstein, Lorentz and Minkowsky disregarded are Galilean transformation between frames, which would make time absolut and by that Newton's phsyics.

[bdreason]

10 years of studying Kant? :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[dr.hee]

Rambo is basically an unfunny EuroLeague that only posts in the OTC. Damn, what a niche.

They even post the same way.

1. AD HOMINEM!!!

2. Philosophical approach. Establish a non falsifiable premise, back it up with Wikipedia and scream at everybody disagreeing with you. First do your homework if you want to talk grown men stuff, bro.

3. My premise still stands.

4. I'm supporting my view with misinterpretations of statements by some of the greatest minds of all times, you with Euroleague. Now who's the idiot, huh?

5. Immanuel Kant, therefore Quantum Mechanics, thus proving absolutely nothing...

6. Newton played in a weak era, but he had a nice wig.

[Budadiiii]

1. AD HOMINEM!!!

2. Philosophical approach. Establish a non falsifiable premise, back it up with Wikipedia and scream at everybody disagreeing with you. First do your homework if you want to talk grown men stuff, bro.

3. My premise still stands.

4. I'm supporting my view with misinterpretations of statements by some of the greatest minds of all times, you with Euroleague. Now who's the idiot, huh?

5. Quantum Mechanics

6. Newton played in a weak era, but he had a nice wig.

http://www.wed114.cn/jiehun/uploads/allimg/131201/1411163Y2-0.jpg

[dr.hee]

http://www.wed114.cn/jiehun/uploads/allimg/131201/1411163Y2-0.jpg

Elbows too pointy, 2/10. Would smash Kant instead.

[Lebron23]

http://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/movie/movie_poster/gone-with-the-wind-1939/large_lqPnvmaX4oZY9teAOT7M0txCLkS.jpg

[dr.hee]

http://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/movie/movie_poster/gone-with-the-wind-1939/large_lqPnvmaX4oZY9teAOT7M0txCLkS.jpg

Somehow I don't get what's supposed to be great about that movie. I know it's a consensus all time great one, but I don't like the dialogue and acting at all. Maybe I'm too dumb for that shit...

[gigantes]

Somehow I don't get what's supposed to be great about that movie. I know it's a consensus all time great one, but I don't like the dialogue and acting at all. Maybe I'm too dumb for that shit...
i think the trick is to evaluate it for its era. it's not only a glimpse in to the civil war age, but 30's hollywood and the culture at large. and it reverberated deeply among almost everyone, it seems.

gotta be an archeologist to appreciate some stuff in life...

[dr.hee]

i think the trick is to evaluate it for its era. it's not only a glimpse in to the civil war age, but 30's hollywood and the culture at large. and it reverberated deeply among almost everyone, it seems.

gotta be an archeologist to appreciate some stuff in life...

Definitely not a movie I'd watch for entertainment on my laptop at home...more like something for an arthouse cinema evening with a girl smarter than me if it means getting laid...

But it's definitely interesting how much movie aesthetics have changed over the decades.

[gigantes]

Definitely not a movie I'd watch for entertainment on my laptop at home...more like something for an arthouse cinema evening with a girl smarter than me if it means getting laid...

But it's definitely interesting how much movie aesthetics have changed over the decades.
haha, i gotcha. i think when i first saw it, we were covering the civil war in 6th grade. i was doing a report, so was naturally interested.


so many old, classic movies i feel like i need to watch, but somehow i'd rather watch stuff like this, instead: :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilya_forever

[cos88]

at least 15 better movies i can think of in the last minute.

[JebronLames]

http://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/movie/movie_poster/gone-with-the-wind-1939/large_lqPnvmaX4oZY9teAOT7M0txCLkS.jpg
:applause: lots of good quotes and scenes in that one.

[Loneshot]

Only the first Matrix movie is good...but not actually the whole movie...actually not even most of it. Up until about the point where there is deja-vu glitch, after that its a karate action flick. But the coolest part of the movie is the whole underground-hacker-world idea of the Matrix. The Animatrix is more of what i wish the motion picture was like. Neuromancer without the cowboy-esque vibe.

[bladefd]

What you mix up is that the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics at some points basically can not co-exist unless you regard concepts that are generally set in stone(as time), but those are mathematical problems not reality issues.


I'm sure a theory will come along that will surpass theory of relativity and quantum mechanics and combine parts of both while encompassing elements of each. That will allow the two to co-exist within a single theory.

Einstein tried to work on that in his later years. He spent almost a decade on this "Theory of everything." People said he wasted a huge portion of his life when he could have spent his time on developing other theories and concepts. To this day, the theory of everything is probably the single most important theory to develop in all of physics & maybe science.

Anyways, to say that QM completely surpasses einstein & theory of relativity is an extremely ignorant thing to say. Both have elements that fit together like a puzzle, but clearly there are other major details that QM/TOR have yet to take into account. Somebody someday much smarter than Einstein/Planck will come along and solve that.

[JohnFreeman]

Schindlers List > Matrix

[Swaggin916]

OP makes some valid points. I don't doubt that people would pawn their kids off to machines if it meant free time for them (that's different from the Matrix but we already do it somewhat with technology now and I only see it getting more extreme). I could easily see a world where an elite group of people run the world with advanced machines. I could easily see a lot of crazy things happening because Like Einstein, I am not sure whether our technolgy/humanity is meshing cleanly and I also know there are angry people out there that wouldn't mind destroying everyone. Quantum mechanics shows us that we all live in a virtual nothing so definitely any perception of reality should be challenged. I am pretty sure consciousness cannot be stopped though at this point no matter what happens. Quantum mechanics disproves black holes and that is in line with my own personal theory of light being an unstoppable force... Light spawned consciousness and we are too advanced at this point to be destroyed. There is just too much information.

[gigantes]

I don't think it's a crazy claim. If someone posts their top ten move list and The Matrix is at the top I wouldn't balk at that. It's a great movie and we all use different criteria.
i agree... it's a "great" movie if one is poorly acquainted with sci-fi and metaphysics, doesn't find keanu laughable, and hasn't watched many movies.


but it did come up with bullet time, mofo.

[gigantes]

Keanu's acting or lack thereof works well for this character.
inoright?


but calling the matrix "great" is like going to a cotton candy factory and getting excited about the sugar content.

[gigantes]

List 10 better sci-fi films from the 90s.
i wasn't aware that such was the debate.

regardless, was there even ONE good sci-fi film made during the 90's? solaris...?

in any case, i'd watch any old wong kar-wei, hitchcock, coen bros, woody allen, noir or spaghetti western in favor of watching cotton candy like the matrix. that's just me, though. :cheers:

[miller-time]

regardless, was there even ONE good sci-fi film made during the 90's?

Terminator 2 was pretty great!

[gigantes]

i love sci-fi. my favorite author all-time is philip k. dick. but hollywood... not a big fan, so initiate your law suits.


i'm afraid that i don't post here for your enjoyment, moses.

[gigantes]

What's your opinion of Children of Men? What you say next might decide both of our fates.
wow, that looks neat. thank you!

[gigantes]

huh...??

i don't know that film, sorry. i read the WP entry and it sounded neat. :confusedshrug:

[FillJackson]

I had a crazy ass dream the other night and I think it was after looking at this thread.

I kept hitting my snooze alarm for another ten minutes of sleep and in the dream itself I was half in and out of sleep.

At one point I was sleeping on my couch and I woke up and looked my TV and it was totally different. At that point my front door unlocked and I said Honey, what happened to our TV, but it wasn't my wife. I realized that I someone went into the wrong apartment and fell asleep. I started freaking out and apologized to her and all of a sudden we are having sex.

A bunch of other crazy stuff happened that I can't remember, then I went to walk my dog and another dog came by and was growling at my dog and I'm look at this dog and it's about 5 feet away from me, but I feel it biting my finger. That felt really real. And I couldn't understand how I could be looking at this dog 5 feet from any part of my, but know that it was biting my finger. And I realized that I was feeling things like 20 seconds in the future. The bite felt as real as anything I have ever dreamed.

Then the woman who I had sex with walked by and thanked me for before, but she looked much different, same face, but a much hotter body.

The first half of the dream was a bunch of crazy shit happening and the second half of the dream was like I was kind of aware I was in some weird state like being drugged or hypnotized or something.

[gigantes]

I'm used to everything being sarcastic and I figured you'd know this film if you're a fan of scifi. My mistake. :hammerhead:

Absolutely watch this film. It's a must.
oh, okay.

but i'm still going to watch lilya 4-ever first. you know... for the hot sex. :D

[KingBeasley08]

The Matrix is one hell of a movie. No doubt it's action scenes were epic for their time, my favorite part is the concept itself. I remember being mind blown when I first saw the movie at age 12 :oldlol: