How many 50-win teams has Lebron beaten in the Playoffs?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Just curious

Edit:

Lebron
07 Pistons 53-29
11 Celts 56-26
11 Bulls 61-21
12 Pacers - 42-24 63% winning percentage = 52 wins
12 Thunder - 47-19 71% winning percentage = 58 wins
13 Spurs 58-24
*13 Pacers were technically 49 wins, but there was a cancelled game @BOS due to the Boston Marathon bombings

Kobe
00 Suns 53-29
00 Blazers 59-23
00 Pacers 56-26
01 Blazers 50-32
01 Kings 55-27
01 Spurs 58-24
01 Sixers 56-26
02 Spurs 58-24
02 Kings 61-21
02 Nets 52-30
03 Wolves 51-31
04 Spurs 57-25
04 Wolves 58-24
08 Nuggets 50-32
08 Jazz 54-28
08 Spurs 56-26
09 Rockets 53-29
09 Nuggets 54-28
09 Magic 59-23
10 Thunder 50-32
10 Jazz 53-29
10 Suns 54-28
10 Celtics 50-32

[Thorn]

07 Pistons 53-29
11 Celts 56-26
11 Bulls 61-21
12 Pacers - 42-24 63% winning percentage = 52 wins
12 Thunder - 47-19 71% winning percentage = 58 wins
13 Spurs 58-24

*13 Pacers were technically 49 wins, but there was a cancelled game @BOS due to the Boston Marathon bombings, Pacers might've won that game. Pacers ended up 49-32

[Deuce Bigalow]

07 Pistons 53-29
11 Celts 56-26
11 Bulls 61-21
12 Pacers - 42-24 63% winning percentage = 52 wins
12 Thunder - 47-19 71% winning percentage = 58 wins
13 Spurs 58-24

*13 Pacers were technically 49 wins, but there was a cancelled game @BOS due to the Boston Marathon bombings, Pacers might've won that game. Pacers ended up 49-32
6, maybe 7 ok thanks.

What about Kobe? I know he beat 11 in '08-'10.

[Thorn]

00 Suns 53-29
00 Blazers 59-23
00 Pacers 56-26
01 Blazers 50-32
01 Kings 55-27
01 Spurs 58-24
01 Sixers 56-26
02 Spurs 58-24
02 Kings 61-21
02 Nets 52-30
03 Wolves 51-31
04 Spurs 57-25
04 Wolves 58-24
08 Nuggets 50-32
08 Jazz 54-28
08 Spurs 56-26
09 Rockets 53-29
09 Nuggets 54-28
09 Magic 59-23
10 Thunder 50-32
10 Jazz 53-29
10 Suns 54-28
10 Celtics 50-32

[MP.Trey]

6, maybe 7 ok thanks.

What about Kobe? I know he beat 11 in '08-'10.
:oldlol: The subtlety.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Why are Kobe stans so insecure lately?

[guy]

Threads like this scream insecurity :oldlol:

[Indian guy]

More than Kobe ever did w/o an All Star by his side.

[NumberSix]

08 Nuggets 50-32
08 Jazz 54-28
08 Spurs 56-26
09 Rockets 53-29
09 Nuggets 54-28
09 Magic 59-23
10 Thunder 50-32
10 Jazz 53-29
10 Suns 54-28
fixed

[red1]

how many shots has kobe missed all-time? just curious

[knicksman]

how many shots has kobe missed all-time? just curious

shots you dont take are missed rings 5>2

[Crafty]

how many shots has kobe missed all-time? just curious
the most

[ABfor3]

how many shots has kobe missed all-time? just curious
:yaohappy:

[IncarceratedBob]

Its not lebrons fault the east is garb

[red1]

shots you dont take are missed rings 5>2
championships as the first option:

kobe 2 in 17 seasons
lebron 2 in 10 seasons

[VIntageNOvel]

fixed


still more than bron :roll: :roll:

[knicksman]

championships as a ringchaser:

kobe 0 in 17 seasons
lebron 2 in 10 seasons

fixed

[red1]

fixed
you are so hurt :lol

[IncarceratedBob]

championships as the first option:

kobe 2 in 17 seasons
lebron 2 in 10 seasons
Kobe hasn't been the first option 17 seasons

He has 2 from 04-05 to 11-12

[Deuce Bigalow]

00 Suns 53-29
00 Blazers 59-23
00 Pacers 56-26
01 Blazers 50-32
01 Kings 55-27
01 Spurs 58-24
01 Sixers 56-26
02 Spurs 58-24
02 Kings 61-21
02 Nets 52-30
03 Wolves 51-31
04 Spurs 57-25
04 Wolves 58-24
08 Nuggets 50-32
08 Jazz 54-28
08 Spurs 56-26
09 Rockets 53-29
09 Nuggets 54-28
09 Magic 59-23
10 Thunder 50-32
10 Jazz 53-29
10 Suns 54-28
10 Celtics 50-32
23

:bowdown:

[red1]

Kobe hasn't been the first option 17 seasons

He has 2 from 04-05 to 11-12
:facepalm get with the program szyslak

[knicksman]

you are so hurt :lol

alphas arent mad. we are happy w/ our lives coz we are superior in this world.:D

[VIntageNOvel]

Its not lebrons fault the east is garb

or course its not his fault, its a blessing for him, it help his case
bron cavs wouldnt even get past second round in west :lol
just like kobe was playing with shaq, lebron hase been playing in the weak east :lol

*inbe4 lebron record against west team :roll:

[red1]

alphas arent mad. we are happy w/ our lives coz we are superior in this world.:D
keep crying and keep clinging to your delusions :lol

[knicksman]

keep crying and keep clinging to your delusions :lol

wee

[Jakeh008]

Since this is now a Kobe vs Lebron 50-win teams thread...

Someone find what is their win % against against 50-win teams in the playoffs

[215Philly]

How many phagg alarms have you set off? Just curious... :confusedshrug:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Since this is now a Kobe vs Lebron 50-win teams thread...

Someone find what is their win % against against 50-win teams in the playoffs
Counting the 13 Pacers, Lebron is 7-6, 6-6 without counting 13 Pacers
Kobe is 23-7

[Deuce Bigalow]

or course its not his fault, its a blessing for him, it help his case
bron cavs wouldnt even get past second round in west :lol
just like kobe was playing with shaq, lebron hase been playing in the weak east :lol

*inbe4 lebron record against west team :roll:
In the playoffs against the West Lebron is 2-2
Kobe against the West is 18-5, 5-2 against the East

[VIntageNOvel]

Counting the 13 Pacers, Lebron is 7-6, 6-6 without counting 13 Pacers
Kobe is 23-7


50% win share against 50-team win
GOAT:bowdown:

[AintNoSunshine]

Why are Kobe stans so insecure lately?

By lately do you mean the last 10-12 years? :lol

[Magic 32]

Must be nice to play in the east.

[ssginc]

Just curious

Edit:

Lebron
07 Pistons 53-29
11 Celts 56-26
11 Bulls 61-21
12 Pacers - 42-24 63% winning percentage = 52 wins
12 Thunder - 47-19 71% winning percentage = 58 wins
13 Spurs 58-24
*13 Pacers were technically 49 wins, but there was a cancelled game @BOS due to the Boston Marathon bombings

Kobe
00 Suns 53-29
00 Blazers 59-23
00 Pacers 56-26
01 Blazers 50-32
01 Kings 55-27
01 Spurs 58-24
01 Sixers 56-26
02 Spurs 58-24
02 Kings 61-21
02 Nets 52-30
03 Wolves 51-31
04 Spurs 57-25
04 Wolves 58-24
08 Nuggets 50-32
08 Jazz 54-28
08 Spurs 56-26
09 Rockets 53-29
09 Nuggets 54-28
09 Magic 59-23
10 Thunder 50-32
10 Jazz 53-29
10 Suns 54-28
10 Celtics 50-32


Well in fairness, Kobe was a #2 guy through 04 so we should only count the 50 win teams he beat as the lead dog.

[J Shuttlesworth]

That's weird bro. If Kobe beat all those teams by himself, how many finals MVPs did he end up with?

[ZoPunde]

Lebron never beat any 50-win teams, because he never played any. His teams did.

[BBallZen83]

alphas arent mad. we are happy w/ our lives coz we are superior in this world.:D
Yeah, because "alphas" need validation through posting on meaningless message boards.

This whole alpha/beta nonsense is reaching ridiculous proportions on this board.

[Miller for 3]

Lebron has only beaten one 50 win team without Wade/Bosh/Miller/Allen/Haslem/Spo/Riley, and he had a below average TS% in that series and was carried by Boobie Gibson in game 6.

[YouGotServed]

lol @ LeBron. The weak depleted Pistons 07 squad was the only 50 win team he faced in the playoffs in his first eight years. That's hilarious.

[kenny817]

I do not see the 2011 Mavs on either list

tbh

[Midnite89]

I do not see the 2011 Mavs on either list

tbh

lebron beat 2011 mavs. this happened:biggums:

[Droid101]

That's weird bro. If Kobe beat all those teams by himself, how many finals MVPs did he end up with?
Yeah, totally weird that FMVP is only counted on one series out of the entire playoffs.

It's almost as if the three 50 win teams Kobe usually had to fight through to get to the finals don't matter in the FMVP award.

[NumberSix]

Lebron has only beaten one 50 win team without Wade/Bosh/Miller/Allen/Haslem/Spo/Riley, and he had a below average TS% in that series and was carried by Boobie Gibson in game 6.
And how many has Kobe beat without Gasol.......

0

[Deuce Bigalow]

And how many has Kobe beat without Gasol.......

0
00 Suns 53-29
00 Blazers 59-23
00 Pacers 56-26
01 Blazers 50-32
01 Kings 55-27
01 Spurs 58-24
01 Sixers 56-26
02 Spurs 58-24
02 Kings 61-21
02 Nets 52-30
03 Wolves 51-31
04 Spurs 57-25
04 Wolves 58-24

[NumberSix]

00 Suns 53-29
00 Blazers 59-23
00 Pacers 56-26
01 Blazers 50-32
01 Kings 55-27
01 Spurs 58-24
01 Sixers 56-26
02 Spurs 58-24
02 Kings 61-21
02 Nets 52-30
03 Wolves 51-31
04 Spurs 57-25
04 Wolves 58-24
That was Shaq. Sidekicks don't get the credit. Nobody is on here talking about how Bosh beat the Pacers and the spurs.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yeah, totally weird that FMVP is only counted on one series out of the entire playoffs.

It's almost as if the three 50 win teams Kobe usually had to fight through to get to the finals don't matter in the FMVP award.
Why are you deflecting from the question. It's a question that is easily answered by a single number. Are you not able to answer the question?

Unrelated, but who was the MVP in those years when Kobe/Shaq got a 3 peat? How many did Kobe get those years considering he was leading the team?

[LeGOAT]

Put Lebron in Kobes situation with prime Shaq and they would six peat

[Deuce Bigalow]

That was Shaq. Sidekicks don't get the credit. Nobody is on here talking about how Bosh beat the Pacers and the spurs.
Kobe was the leading scorer and assist man in 7 of those series.

[NumberSix]

Kobe was the leading scorer and assist man in 7 of those series.
Doesn't matter. Wasn't the leader of the team.

We're not making special concessions for Kobe that we don't make for anybody else.

[Illuminati]

2012 Finals OKC (would've been 50+ wins) and 2013 Finals Spurs.

[ripthekik]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

It's well known that lebron has had the easiest path of almost anyone. Beating 40 win teams in the first round and mediocre teams in the second round for his 10 years in the east :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Lebron23]

Kobe hasn't been the first option 17 seasons

He has 2 from 04-05 to 11-12

Slight correction.

Kobe has 2 from 2004 to 2013.

[MMM]

Just curious

Edit:

Lebron
07 Pistons 53-29
11 Celts 56-26
11 Bulls 61-21
12 Pacers - 42-24 63% winning percentage = 52 wins
12 Thunder - 47-19 71% winning percentage = 58 wins
13 Spurs 58-24
*13 Pacers were technically 49 wins, but there was a cancelled game @BOS due to the Boston Marathon bombings

Kobe
00 Suns 53-29
00 Blazers 59-23
00 Pacers 56-26
01 Blazers 50-32
01 Kings 55-27
01 Spurs 58-24
01 Sixers 56-26
02 Spurs 58-24
02 Kings 61-21
02 Nets 52-30
03 Wolves 51-31
04 Spurs 57-25
04 Wolves 58-24
08 Nuggets 50-32
08 Jazz 54-28
08 Spurs 56-26
09 Rockets 53-29
09 Nuggets 54-28
09 Magic 59-23
10 Thunder 50-32
10 Jazz 53-29
10 Suns 54-28
10 Celtics 50-32

Not all these 50 win teams are elite though
i would say 6 of 7 teams from the Lebron list qualify while 12 qualify for Kobe. The 2nd half of Kobe's list shows how much weaker the top contenders of the West got through the decade.

Edit: Minus elite and add title contender. 60+ teams usually qualify as elite teams

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan beating 50+ win teams:

- Bolded are 60+ win teams

'98 Jazz
'98 Pacers
'98 Hornets
'97 Jazz
'97 Heat
'97 Hawks
'96 Sonics
'96 Magic
'93 Suns
'93 Knicks
'93 Cavaliers
'92 Blazers
'92 Cavaliers
'92 Knicks
'91 Lakers
'91 Pistons
'90 Sixers
'89 Knicks
'89 Cavaliers

[russwest0]

FOUR TEAMS? :oldlol:

And niqqas think he coming to the West after they lose to IND this season?

:lol :lol :lol Those niqqas in the East be treating Bran good. Heard Big Al stopped by their lockeroom after the game and gave LBJ a blowwy j and said "thats while yall champs"

That his 3rd toughest opponent in tha East :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Mr Feeny]

Doesn't matter. Wasn't the leader of the team.

We're not making special concessions for Kobe that we don't make for anybody else.

Exactly. Having Shaq demanding triple teams and leaving you open makes it piss easy. Doesnt make you a leader. A nice education lesson by number 6 to ******* deuce:applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

FOUR TEAMS? :oldlol:

And niqqas think he coming to the West after they lose to IND this season?

:lol :lol :lol Those niqqas in the East be treating Bran good. Heard Big Al stopped by their lockeroom after the game and gave LBJ a blowwy j and said "thats while yall champs"

That his 3rd toughest opponent in tha East :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Exactly. Having Shaq demanding triple teams and leaving you open makes it piss easy. Doesnt make you a leader. A nice education lesson by number 6 to ******* deuce:applause:
You don't know anything about basketball's history. Basketball was invented by Dr. James Naismith. First basketball history lesson for you today :applause:

[Mr Feeny]

You don't know anything about basketball's history. Basketball was invented by Dr. James Naismith. First basketball history lesson for you today :applause:

You remember something I taufht you:applause: Well done young sir. Next up, fg%

[Deuce Bigalow]

You remember something I taufht you:applause: Well done young sir. Next up, fg%
Lebron shot 57% in the regular season then in the NBA Finals while being left open out on the perimeter he shot under 45%. There is your second history lesson. Appreciate that I'm taking the time to do this :applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lesson number three: Lebron beat one 50+ win team in the playoffs during his time with Cleveland.

[Mr Feeny]

Lesson number 5: Lebron is the highest game 7 scorer I NBA history while Kobe chokes his way to 22pg and 39 percent shooting in game 7's.
You have beeen well and truly educated in your own thread:applause:

[NumberSix]

Lesson number 5: Lebron is the highest game 7 scorer I NBA history while Kobe chokes his way to 22pg and 39 percent shooting in game 7's.
You have beeen well and truly educated in your own thread:applause:
This post is like Medusa's head to Kobe tards.

[VIntageNOvel]

FOUR TEAMS? :oldlol:

And niqqas think he coming to the West after they lose to IND this season?

:lol :lol :lol Those niqqas in the East be treating Bran good. Heard Big Al stopped by their lockeroom after the game and gave LBJ a blowwy j and said "thats while yall champs"

That his 3rd toughest opponent in tha East :lol :lol :lol

:roll: :roll:

the letard can only avoid the topic :lol

someone post durant's

[VIntageNOvel]

Just curious

Edit:

Lebron
07 Pistons 53-29
11 Celts 56-26
11 Bulls 61-21
12 Pacers - 42-24 63% winning percentage = 52 wins
12 Thunder - 47-19 71% winning percentage = 58 wins
13 Spurs 58-24
*13 Pacers were technically 49 wins, but there was a cancelled game @BOS due to the Boston Marathon bombings



those are Wade-lead team :no:
and 49 is still 49 no matter what the excuse :rolleyes: no guarantee they would win that

so basically only 4 teams:roll:

and for kobe, its up the the hater if you dont want to count the three peat years (kobe still has more than bran though either way), just be consistent with your dumb argument about 2004 lakers, its a kobe lead team or shaq :rolleyes: dont change your argument according to your agenda

[Prometheus]

championships as the first option:

kobe 2 in 17 seasons
lebron 2 in 10 seasons

except kobe hasn't had 17 seasons as the first option, so point is moot.

[Prometheus]

Just curious

Edit:

Lebron
07 Pistons 53-29
11 Celts 56-26
11 Bulls 61-21
12 Pacers - 42-24 63% winning percentage = 52 wins
12 Thunder - 47-19 71% winning percentage = 58 wins
13 Spurs 58-24
*13 Pacers were technically 49 wins, but there was a cancelled game @BOS due to the Boston Marathon bombings

Kobe
00 Suns 53-29
00 Blazers 59-23
00 Pacers 56-26
01 Blazers 50-32
01 Kings 55-27
01 Spurs 58-24
01 Sixers 56-26
02 Spurs 58-24
02 Kings 61-21
02 Nets 52-30
03 Wolves 51-31
04 Spurs 57-25
04 Wolves 58-24
08 Nuggets 50-32
08 Jazz 54-28
08 Spurs 56-26
09 Rockets 53-29
09 Nuggets 54-28
09 Magic 59-23
10 Thunder 50-32
10 Jazz 53-29
10 Suns 54-28
10 Celtics 50-32

OP is exposing himself as the most insecure kobetard on this forum in the last few days, cherry picking stats (and really, what kobe stan in their right mind uses stats in the "vs. LeBron" argument? it's a losing battle) to try to prop up his hero.

that said... neither LeBron nor kobe has ever beaten a 50-win team in the playoffs. the lakers, cavs, and heat have done that. and none of those teams have had control over the strength of competition in their conference

[SpecialQue]

Who cares?

[Demitri98]

how many shots has kobe missed all-time? just curious
13,319

[PJR]

:oldlol: This bears absolutely no relevance whatsoever in determining who the better and more impactful player between James and Bryant. None whatsoever.

Why can't the contingent of Laker/Kobe fans on this forum just accept that LeBron plays the game of basketball better than Kobe ever did? It's really not a big deal.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lesson number 5: Lebron is the highest game 7 scorer I NBA history while Kobe chokes his way to 22pg and 39 percent shooting in game 7's.
You have beeen well and truly educated in your own thread:applause:
You need to lose 3 games for there to be a game 7. Let us proceed.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:oldlol: This bears absolutely no relevance whatsoever in determining who the better and more impactful player between James and Bryant. None whatsoever.

Why can't the contingent of Laker/Kobe fans on this forum just accept that LeBron plays the game of basketball better than Kobe ever did? It's really not a big deal.
Everybody knows that Kobe is the better player, MJ, Bird, Dr. J.

[Brokenbeat]

Christ, this place is retarded lately. :facepalm

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe bryant is better than lebron james

[PJR]

Everybody knows that Kobe is the better player, MJ, Bird, Dr. J.

Larry Bird never once said that Kobe is better than LeBron. He said he preferred to play with Kobe, but never said Kobe was better. As a matter fact, he said LeBron may be the best of all time when it's all said and done.

"He's one guy in the league that I think he'll probably be better than all of us when it's all said and done."


LeBron is better than Kobe by any and every objective measure out there. Just accept it, and move on.


kobe bryant is better than lebron james

Not at basketball.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Pretty sad some people can't over LeBron being better than their favorite player. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Solefade]

OP lost

lebron >>>> kobe

[Deuce Bigalow]

"Well, probably Kobe, because of the fact that ... well, of course he wouldn't have been shooting as much as he does now ... but his desire to win, his dedication, to always get better, uh, and he's just, he's just tough," Bird said. "He's just a tough cat.
"But, if you want to have fun, like I did with Bill Walton, play with LeBron. It would have probably been more fun to play with LeBron, but if you want to win and win and win, it's Kobe. Not that LeBron's not a winner, just that [Kobe's] mindset is to go into every practice, every game, to get better."

- Larry Bird

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/larry-bird-team-kobe-win-lebron-fun-191427315.html

[Deuce Bigalow]

Dr J says if he had to pick between LeBron and Kobe he picks ... Bryant. Says Kobe 1 of top 5 players of all time.

https://twitter.com/APgelston/statuses/342459966164180993

[Deuce Bigalow]

[Solefade]

okay dude, take Dr. J's opinion and a statement from larry bird from 2 years ago to reinforce your agenda :lol


what we've learned over the years is that you pick the opposite of whatever jordan picks if you want success

[Deuce Bigalow]

okay dude, take Dr. J's opinion and a statement from larry bird from 2 years ago to reinforce your agenda :lol


what we've learned over the years is that you pick the opposite of whatever jordan picks if you want success
Dr J's and MJ's was last year.

Don't compare what we already seen in the NBA to HS/College player projections

N:oldlol:xt

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Jordan sounds like a complete retard in that quote. "Five is greater than one". No shit :lol

[KyrieTheFuture]

Why do people say Jordan is an idiot who knows nothing about basketball and was only good at playing, has a horrible eye for talent, but then when he comes out and says Kobe > LeBron his word is gospel? When the **** will LeBron and Kobe stans stop being so insecure about their players status in arbitrary and subjective all time lists. Why do you care how high someone else puts LeKobe on their list?

[SamuraiSWISH]

has a horrible eye for talent
Maybe he's not strictly talking about talent, but also taking intangibles into account to determine a player's true value. MJ has already said LeBron is a dominant player. Can't argue with the hardware though. It's just the measuring stick they used against Jordan himself when he was the superior player to Magic and Bird, while the media rubbed it in his face he hadn't won championships yet.

[eliteballer]

Dude doesn't play anybody in the East..

[ELITEpower23]

You probably play less of them with a higher seed. It's called a reward.

[SouBeachTalents]

You probably play less of them with a higher seed. It's called a reward.
The '08-'10 Lakers were the 1 seed every year and played a 50 win team 11/12 playoff series

[Rico2016]

The '08-'10 Lakers were the 1 seed every year and played a 50 win team 11/12 playoff series

You can only beat who you play.