Why did Charles Barkley never win a ring?

[navy]

Discuss.

[kNicKz]

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[houston]

Wasn't really dedicated towards winning like that.

[moe94]

Wasn't really dedicated towards winning like that.
:facepalm

[Trollsmasher]

His post game was not pretty enough.

[waseem780]

Teammates weren't hungry enough. He even said it himself after the 1993 finals his teammates got advertisements and started caring about that luxurious life

[Qwyjibo]

Because his team was never good enough to beat other better teams.

Teams win titles. Not single players.

[STATUTORY]

Teammates weren't hungry enough. He even said it himself after the 1993 finals his teammates got advertisements and started caring about that luxurious life

:oldlol:

yea his "teammates" and not him. typical ego defense

dude wasn't dedicated to that level of success, that's why he always hate on kobe. Kobe's like his literary foil

[Chuckbrook]

Michael Jordan

-Brook

[215Philly]

Beta :coleman: and MJ :bowdown:

[moe94]

Everyone here is talking out of their ass until Round Mound sets it straight. He's already coming.

[AintNoSunshine]

He ran into MJ and Hakeem, dugh?

[AintNoSunshine]

Everyone here is talking out of their ass until Round Mound sets it straight. He's already coming.


He says he's half way thru his ten page essay response, should be done tomorrow, get ready everyone.

[noob cake]

Barkley prime years.

1989-1990 - MJ
1990-1991 - MJ
1991-1992 - Missed playoff
1992-1993 - MJ
1993-1994 - Hakeem
1994-1995 - Hakeem

tl;dr. Team sucked too much for most of his career. During his prime, he had to meet Hakeem and MJ.

[waseem780]

:oldlol:

yea his "teammates" and not him. typical ego defense

dude wasn't dedicated to that level of success, that's why he always hate on kobe. Kobe's like his literary foil
Nah Charles wanted to win. His main problem was staying fit (eats too much). he was competitive as fcuk

[joeyjoejoe]

Because his team was never good enough to beat other better teams.

Teams win titles. Not single players.

This one

[sportjames23]

Discuss.


Primarily because of Michael Jeffrey Jordan and Hakeem Abdul Olajuwon. Barkley's best chances at a title were in 1993, 1994 and 1995.

[NumberSix]

His killer instinct stats weren't high enough

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Fat fck who never cared about the game and was one of the worst defenders ever for a star player.................
Any time u see this nikka talk about sports he always say he was juss good at basketball but his fave sport some sht like boxing SMH:facepalm
Im glad he never win he didnt deserve it he didnt have drive, heart or defense

[SamuraiSWISH]

Barkley prime years.

1989-1990 - MJ
1990-1991 - MJ
1991-1992 - Missed playoff
1992-1993 - MJ
1993-1994 - Hakeem
1994-1995 - Hakeem
This ...

Then injury, and onset of severe laziness cause him to decline rapidly.. Once his back, and legs went. The loss of his leaping ability. His height became a major factor against him in the post. Making the vast majority of his game, very difficult.

But primarily Jordan, and a dash of Hakeem. Those are the reasons Chuck went totally ringless. His Rocket team in '99 had no excuses though without Jordan in the league, and having teamed up with Hakeem, as well as Pippen.

[no pun intended]

Barkley prime years.

1989-1990 - MJ
1990-1991 - MJ
1991-1992 - Missed playoff
1992-1993 - MJ
1993-1994 - Hakeem
1994-1995 - Hakeem

tl;dr. Team sucked too much for most of his career. During his prime, he had to meet Hakeem and MJ.
i honestly read this faster than your tl;dr

[PizzamanIRL]

Because his team never won the best of 7 series in the finals.

[Zyzz]

Discuss.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/ItemImages/000156/156871a_lg.jpeg

two reasons in one picture

EDIT: Damn... McD's used to be mad cheap

[Stringer Bell]

I wonder how the Finals would have turned out in 1993 if the Knicks had gotten past the Bulls.

[Bandito]

Because other teams were just better.

[SamuraiSWISH]

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/ItemImages/000156/156871a_lg.jpeg

two reasons in one picture

EDIT: Damn... McD's used to be mad cheap
:oldlol:

P.S. McDonalds is oddly expensive now. Inflation, plateaued wages.

[NumberSix]

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/ItemImages/000156/156871a_lg.jpeg

two reasons in one picture

EDIT: Damn... McD's used to be mad cheap
Why does a quarter-pounder without cheese even exist?

[moe94]

Why does a quarter-pounder without cheese even exist?

Some people don't like cheese. My brother is one of them. :confusedshrug:

[sportjames23]

Why does a quarter-pounder without cheese even exist?


One of the greatest mysteries of the universe, my friend.

[sportjames23]

I wonder how the Finals would have turned out in 1993 if the Knicks had gotten past the Bulls.


Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTYQSYzf5Mk

[SamuraiSWISH]

One of the greatest mysteries of the universe, my friend.
Went to get a Bic Mac meal the other day, shit cost me like $7. I hadn't been to McDonalds in awhile, I thought they were playing a prank on me or something.

:oldlol:

[Cold soul]

Barkley ran into MJ and Hakeem during that time period. Barkley teammates weren't good enough either.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Barkley ran into MJ and Hakeem during that time period. Barkley teammates weren't good enough either.
When CB34 got to Phoenix, he played on a STACKED roster.

[JohnFreeman]

He ate too much taco bell

[Owl]

Why would the assumption be that a given player would?


:oldlol:

yea his "teammates" and not him. typical ego defense

dude wasn't dedicated to that level of success, that's why he always hate on kobe. Kobe's like his literary foil

Nah Charles wanted to win. His main problem was staying fit (eats too much). he was competitive as fcuk
Well, to be fair if you're conceding he ate too much, then that would indicate a lack of dedication (specifically an unwillingness to sacrifice eating too much in order to be in better shape and give his teams a better chance to win), no matter how competitive he was on court (or perhaps more broadly including other areas of direct competition).

Anyway he could have in 1993 (which is distinct from saying if he deserved to, or not). The Bulls were fatigued (2 time defending champs, plus Olympics for Scottie and MJ, and Cartwright was seriously worn down by that point) but Chambers career hit the tank at the wrong point, Ceballos got injured before the finals, KJ had a poor playoffs (and an off year with injuries) and ultimately the Suns missed what was probably the best opportunity to dethrone the MJ Bull's dynasty.

[Round Mound]

[B]His Teams Wheren

[Stringer Bell]

The Suns shouldn't have lost against the Rockets in both 94' and 95'. They choked. They blew 2-0 leads both times, and a 3-1 lead in 95', with home court advantage.

Horrible meltdown.

[Big#50]

No Defensive Impact.

[jzek]

He played in the Jordan era. Same reason why Malone, Stockton, Reggie, Ewing, etc. didn't win.

All of the champions past the Jordan era (Duncan, Kobe, LeBron, etc.) wouldn't win in Jordan's era too. Bulls would beat any championship team from 1999-*

[Sarcastic]

He's played with some great players. Moses Malone, Julius Erving, Hakeem Olajuwon, Scottie Pippen, Kevin Johnson.


He was a great player, but he was kind of selfish. He was too busy being wrapped up in his own self, and it made him into a malcontent.

[Milbuck]

He played in the Jordan era. Same reason why Malone, Stockton, Reggie, Ewing, etc. didn't win.

All of the champions past the Jordan era (Duncan, Kobe, LeBron, etc.) wouldn't win in Jordan's era too. Bulls would beat any championship team from 1999-*

That's debatable. You can't definitively say that all 6 of his championship teams would beat every single team since '99.

[Round Mound]

He's played with some great players. Moses Malone, Julius Erving, Hakeem Olajuwon, Scottie Pippen, Kevin Johnson.


He was a great player, but he was kind of selfish. He was too busy being wrapped up in his own self, and it made him into a malcontent.

[B]84-85: Rookie Limited 28 MPG
85-86: Moses Malone Left For the Play-Offs and Andrew Toney Suffered Career Ending Injury.
86-87: Julius Erving Retired. Played With Doc Ages 34-37 Passed His Prime
87-92: Played With Scrubs: His Prime Years in Phily
92-93: KJ Played Only 49 Games for That 62 Win Season. Suns Had a Higher Winning% Without Him. KJ Averages 1 APG More Than Chuck In the NBA Finals and Shoots 41% From THe Field: They Faced The Best SG of All Time and The Best SF of the 90s (Whom Was Better Thank KJ)
93-94: Charles Back Back Problem Begin. Lost To Hakeem

[Sarcastic]

I never said he wasn't effective nor inefficient. He was a malcontent and caused issues everywhere he went.

[oarabbus]

Went to get a Bic Mac meal the other day, shit cost me like $7. I hadn't been to McDonalds in awhile, I thought they were playing a prank on me or something.

:oldlol:


Fast food is expensive as **** right now. Weak era for fast food (srs).

**** like Chipotle is where it's at these days.

[imdaman99]

He has a lil bit of Melo in him, million ways to score but did not dedicate himself to defense.

Go look at that game 6 Finals, he put his teammates in terrible defensive position and of course that left Paxson wide open.

[sportjames23]

That's debatable. You can't definitively say that all 6 of his championship teams would beat every single team since '99.


No, they would have. There are few certainties in the universe. All 6 of MJ's championship teams beating every NBA champ since then is one of them.

:pimp:

[Heisenberg]

cuz of Jordan. LOL

[houston]

Drexler: Barkley Lacks Discipline



Former Houston Rockets guard Clyde Drexler criticized former teammate Charles Barkley yesterday for his training habits and lack of discipline said Barkley often looks like "he's not trying very hard."

"If you are a competitor, you've got to look at effort on the court," said Drexler, now the University of Houston coach. "And that effort not only has to mean 10 rebounds; you have to play defense, too. Charles is not the greatest defensive player in the world. And sometimes it looks like he is not trying. But he always turns out a good effort and somehow remains competitive.

Drexler described Barkley as hypocritical for not working harder on his conditioning and doubted Barkley could come back to play this year.

"Charles is not the kind of guy I'd like to play with, because he never works hard," Drexler said.

[coolhandsteve]

The Suns shouldn't have lost against the Rockets in both 94' and 95'. They choked. They blew 2-0 leads both times, and a 3-1 lead in 95', with home court advantage.

Horrible meltdown.

I wonder even if the Suns get past Houston both of those years do they go to or win the Finals..

[PJR]

Drexler: Barkley Lacks Discipline



Former Houston Rockets guard Clyde Drexler criticized former teammate Charles Barkley yesterday for his training habits and lack of discipline said Barkley often looks like "he's not trying very hard."

"If you are a competitor, you've got to look at effort on the court," said Drexler, now the University of Houston coach. "And that effort not only has to mean 10 rebounds; you have to play defense, too. Charles is not the greatest defensive player in the world. And sometimes it looks like he is not trying. But he always turns out a good effort and somehow remains competitive.

Drexler described Barkley as hypocritical for not working harder on his conditioning and doubted Barkley could come back to play this year.

"Charles is not the kind of guy I'd like to play with, because he never works hard," Drexler said.

Pippen was just as critical of Barkley

"He's a very selfish guy," Pippen said of Barkley. "He doesn't show the desire to want to win. That's my reason for wanting to get away from playing with him anymore because he just doesn't show the dedication.

"I probably should've listened to Michael (Jordan) a year ago when he said that Charles will never win a championship because he doesn't show any dedication."


"I was very shocked to see what type of player he was by spending half a season with him," he said of Barkley."I'm a guy that's dedicated to winning, and I put out a lot of effort on the court. I expect that from my teammates, especially from a guy of his caliber.

Charles is definitely one of the guys that needs to show more leadership for this ballclub to be successful, and he don't show that to me. ... He feels that if he gets 10 rebounds and double-figure points, he's done a good job. But that's not what the game's about. It's about defending, being professional and coming to work every day."

[Round Mound]

cuz of Jordan. LOL

AND PIPPEN = Jordan Had a Better 2nd Option To Any Other Superstar In the 90s.

Lets Not Forget Horace Grant (All Star and Defensive All Teamer) and YES!, PHIL JACKSON as Coach.

[Poetry]

No Defensive Impact.

He could turn it on when he wanted to and often would when games were close or just to prove a point.

To say he had no defensive impact is unfair. He was a defensive contributor on some level, especially when he was younger.

Consider this: He had three separate seasons with 100 blocks and 100 steals. And those defensive contributions often led to fast break opportunities that could change the momentum of games.

Few players have ever had a 100/100 season while at the same time providing elite scoring and rebounding.

LBJ, for instance, has never done it.

[Audio One]

He could turn it on when he wanted to and often would when games were close or just to prove a point.

To say he had no defensive impact is unfair. He was a defensive contributor on some level, especially when he was younger.

Consider this: He had three separate seasons with 100 blocks and 100 steals. And those defensive contributions often led to fast break opportunities that could change the momentum of games.

Few players have ever had a 100/100 season while at the same time providing elite scoring and rebounding.

LBJ, for instance, has never done it.

:applause:

[Round Mound]

He could turn it on when he wanted to and often would when games were close or just to prove a point.

To say he had no defensive impact is unfair. He was a defensive contributor on some level, especially when he was younger.

Consider this: He had three separate seasons with 100 blocks and 100 steals. And those defensive contributions often led to fast break opportunities that could change the momentum of games.

Few players have ever had a 100/100 season while at the same time providing elite scoring and rebounding.

LBJ, for instance, has never done it.

:applause:

[SexSymbol]

Few reasons. He was a weak link on defense that got constantly abused.
He's the original Kevin Love in a way, his stats were absolutely meaningless.
Also, he's very stupid, you can see it in his analysis. No dedication to win, very selfish (3-4 tiers above Iverson).
He's one of the most overrated players ever, everytime he gets mentioned in top 20 I cringe. He just has no case whatsoever.

[Round Mound]

Few reasons. He was a weak link on defense that got constantly abused.
He's the original Kevin Love in a way, his stats were absolutely meaningless.
Also, he's very stupid, you can see it in his analysis. No dedication to win, very selfish (3-4 tiers above Iverson).
He's one of the most overrated players ever, everytime he gets mentioned in top 20 I cringe. He just has no case whatsoever.

:facepalm :oldlol: :rolleyes: :no:

[Norcaliblunt]

He missed critical free throws that would've sealed the series victory in game 5 of the western conference semifinals against Houston.

Danny Manning also went down with a knee injury that season which hurt Phoenix as well.

Outside of 93 this was the best shot the Suns were ever going to have.

[LAZERUSS]

Barkley averaged 23.0 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 3.9 apg, and shot .513 from the field over the course of his 123 playoff games. He had six post-seasons of 25.0+ ppg, with a high of 27.6 ppg. He had seven post-seasons of 13.0+ rpg, with a high of 15.8 rpg. He had three post-seasons of 5.0 apg, with a high of 6.0 apg. He had four post-seasons of a .573+ FG%, with a high of .644. He even had a post-season in which he led the league at 2.5 spg.

Why didn't he win a ring? Probably the same reason that Hakeem and Wilt only won two; or Moses, West and Oscar with one; or Baylor and K. Malone with zero. Great opponents; poor teammates; injuries to teammates or themselves; poor calls; miraculous shots beating them; and teammates being outplayed by opposing teammates.

[oarabbus]

No, they would have. There are few certainties in the universe. All 6 of MJ's championship teams beating every NBA champ since then is one of them.

:pimp:


Shaq + Kobe = Jordan loses. At the very least the best Lakers team would beat the worst of Jordan's Bulls. There is absolutely no doubt. No one is beating MDE Prime Shaq. No. One.

[Round Mound]

Barkley averaged 23.0 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 3.9 apg, and shot .513 from the field over the course of his 123 playoff games. He had six post-seasons of 25.0+ ppg, with a high of 27.6 ppg. He had seven post-seasons of 13.0+ rpg, with a high of 15.8 rpg. He had three post-seasons of 5.0 apg, with a high of 6.0 apg. He had four post-seasons of a .573+ FG%, with a high of .644. He even had a post-season in which he led the league at 2.5 spg.

Why didn't he win a ring? Probably the same reason that Hakeem and Wilt only won two; or Moses, West and Oscar with one; or Baylor and K. Malone with zero. Great opponents; poor teammates; injuries to teammates or themselves; poor calls; miraculous shots beating them; and teammates being outplayed by opposing teammates.

:applause:

[B]Its Quite Simple Really But Some Trolls Just Don

[VIntageNOvel]

because he didnt team up with malone and robinson?:confusedshrug:

[icewill36]

because hes 6'4-6'6

[LAZERUSS]

because hes 6'4-6'6

And yet still managed to lead the league in rpg in one season.

[Norcaliblunt]

Barkley had teams in Phoenix that could have won it all, they just caught a few bad breaks. Injuries like Ceballos going down in the 93 playoffs, and Manning getting hurt in 95. Paxson hitting the 3, Barkley missing free throws, Dumas being a crack head and falling off from what could have been a good career in Phoenix. In the end they had the potential to win, but the stars didn't align right, while Olajuwon and Jordan were great players on great teams which were hard to beat.

[Angel Face]

His best chance was during 93' unfortunately he faced the Bulls.

[Big#50]

He could turn it on when he wanted to and often would when games were close or just to prove a point.

To say he had no defensive impact is unfair. He was a defensive contributor on some level, especially when he was younger.

Consider this: He had three separate seasons with 100 blocks and 100 steals. And those defensive contributions often led to fast break opportunities that could change the momentum of games.

Few players have ever had a 100/100 season while at the same time providing elite scoring and rebounding.

LBJ, for instance, has never done it.
He used to block a lot of dunks. His strength allowed him to. But he himself said **** defense.

[Stringer Bell]

He played in the Jordan era. Same reason why Malone, Stockton, Reggie, Ewing, etc. didn't win.


It's interesting to wonder who would've won each year, if say, the Bulls hadn't been so dominant.


1991: Lakers vs. Pistons: I'd pick the Lakers. It might change if Worthy & Scott suffer those injuries.
1992: Blazers vs. Cavs: I think Portland wins here.
1993: Suns vs. Knicks. Not sure who wins here
1996: Sonics vs. Magic: I think Seattle takes this.
1997: Jazz vs. Heat: Utah wins.
1998: Jazz vs. Pacers: Utah wins a tough one.