The Most Points In A Game 7 In NBA Finals History

[Illuminati]

Jerry West - 42 (1969, LAL vs BOS)
Elgin Baylor - 41 (1962, LAL vs BOS)
Bob Pettit - 39 (1957, STL vs BOS)
LeBron James - 37 (2013, MIA vs SAS)
Tom Heinsohn - 37 (1957, BOS vs STL)
James Worthy - 36 (1988, LAL vs DET)
Walt Frazier - 36 (1970, NYK vs LAL)
Jerry West - 36 (1966, LAL vs BOS)
Jerry West - 35 (1962, LAL vs BOS)

:applause:

[Fudge]

Jerry West :applause:

[ripthekik]

Does he also hold the record for the least points in a finals game?

[215Philly]

Jerry West :applause:
Weak era :coleman:

[Rose'sACL]

Does he also hold the record for the least points in a finals game?
Read what you just wrote.think. then post again.

[branslowski]

This isn't arbitrary at all....Damn, No Jordan on this list? Why?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Read what you just wrote.

Give him about half an hour.

[Illuminati]

Does he also hold the record for the least points in a finals game?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


:facepalm

[215Philly]

Does he also hold the record for the least points in a finals game?
rip gonna rip :roll: :facepalm :roll:

[ripthekik]

Read what you just wrote.think. then post again.
:confusedshrug:

[branslowski]

:confusedshrug:

8pts doe...

[kNicKz]

This isn't arbitrary at all....Damn, No Jordan on this list? Why?

:roll:

[ripthekik]

8pts doe...
definitely more impressive than his game 7, made possible by Sir Ray Allen.

[cos88]

the stats say that lebron is one of the great game 7 and elimination players in the history of the game

[Trollsmasher]

This isn't arbitrary at all....Damn, No Jordan on this list? Why?
John Paxson

[Illuminati]

Damn Kobe stans are retarded. Implying their idol didn't have an 8 point Finals game too.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

Bring on the excuses.

[ripthekik]

Damn Kobe stans are retarded. Implying their idol didn't have an 8 point Finals game too.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

Bring on the excuses.
Was he in his prime doe? How do you explain the "prime" part for lebron? :confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jerry West is EASILY the 2nd greatest Finals performer ever. Behind only the GOAT, Jordan.

The next best Finals performer is probably Bird, then Wade. If Shaq didn't have such a flat out stinker in 2006, and a weak 2004 ... he could've challenged Mr. Logo for the number 2 spot.

If LeBron took the disrespectful wide open jumpers given to him all series by the Spurs, the same way MJ made the Blazers pay in game 1 giving him the open three in the '92 Finals, the Heat wouldn't have needed 7 damn games to beat that old, decrepit Spurs team.

[Illuminati]

Was he in his prime doe? How do you explain the "prime" part for lebron? :confusedshrug:

According to another Kobe stan, LeBron's prime was in his second year. Kobe was in his 4th year in those Finals. Therefore Kobe was in his prime too.

:confusedshrug:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Jerry West is EASILY the 2nd greatest Finals performer ever. Behind only the GOAT, Jordan.

The next best Finals performer is probably Bird, then Wade. If Shaq didn't have such a flat out stinker in 2006, and a weak 2004 ... he could've challenged Mr. Logo for the number 2 spot.

If LeBron took the disrespectful wide open jumpers given to him all series by the Spurs, the same way MJ made the Blazers pay in game 1 giving him the open three in the '92 Finals, the Heat wouldn't have needed 7 damn games to beat that old, decrepit Spurs team.

How're you gonna blame Shaq for '04? They were just completely outmatched. He did run out of gas but he's the last person I'd blame for the Lakers losing that. The only weak Finals Shaq had is '06 and he was out of his prime by that point.

[ripthekik]

According to another Kobe stan, LeBron's prime was in his second year. Kobe was in his 4th year in those Finals. Therefore Kobe was in his prime too.

:confusedshrug:
lmao.. you can't really argue with me can you? Have to resort to some other imaginary "kobe stan" and saying stupid things :oldlol:

Fact: your boy dropped 8 points in his prime in a finals games. We can talk about the Spurs series too if you want, I think he averaged like 6 TO's per game? :roll: You want to make a thread about who averaged the most TO's in a finals series too?

[SamuraiSWISH]

How're you gonna blame Shaq for '04? They were just completely outmatched. He did run out of gas but he's the last person I'd blame for the Lakers losing that. The only weak Finals Shaq had is '06 and he was out of his prime by that point.
Shaq was out of shape, didn't command his teammates to get him the ball to pick up for Malone's injury ... and Kobe's selfish agenda gunning. If he was a great leader, the soldiers would've fell in line accordingly. I felt like if everyone was slacking, and he was having his way with Ben Wallace, he should've put up more than 27 ppg.

Shaq's 2006 Finals was incredibly weak. He didn't even perform like a solid second option. It was literally option #1: Wade, option #2: The Refs. Shaq was busy getting locked up by who? Eric Dampier? That Finals immediately drops him out of contention for top five Finals performer.

I obviously didn't get to see West play in context, but all facts or stories I've read tell me he was super clutch. His numbers in the Finals were absurd. 2nd greatest Finals performer, easily, of all-time.

The two best Finals performers I've seen with my own two eyes, on the game's biggest stage? MJ, and Wade. Even last year, while injured Wade came through when they needed him to most. He always raises his game on that stage.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

lmao.. you can't really argue with me can you? Have to resort to some other imaginary "kobe stan" and saying stupid things :oldlol:

Fact: your boy dropped 8 points in his prime in a finals games. We can talk about the Spurs series too if you want, I think he averaged like 6 TO's per game? :roll: You want to make a thread about who averaged the most TO's in a finals series too?

Kobe actually average more TOs in the '04 Finals. So... yeah

[ripthekik]

Kobe actually average more TOs in the '04 Finals. So... yeah
Oh really? way to talk out of your ass.

Kobe averaged 3.6 TO per game.
http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2003/nba_finals_stats.html

Lebron averaged 5.75 TO per game
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/stats/2006/nba_finals_stats.html

Are all Lebron stans like this? Pulling crap out of thin air and knowing nothing about basketball at all? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Illuminati]

lmao.. you can't really argue with me can you? Have to resort to some other imaginary "kobe stan" and saying stupid things :oldlol:

Fact: your boy dropped 8 points in his prime in a finals games. We can talk about the Spurs series too if you want, I think he averaged like 6 TO's per game? :roll: You want to make a thread about who averaged the most TO's in a finals series too?

Here's the post: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322903

And Kobe's '04 Finals was worse than LeBron's tbh. Dem shooting percentages doe. And you can argue that was the start of Kobe's prime.

[ripthekik]

Here's the post: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322903

And Kobe's '04 Finals was worse than LeBron's tbh. Dem shooting percentages doe. And you can argue that was the start of Kobe's prime.
Damn, and I just posted the links above. If that was the start of Kobe's prime, then Lebron in 2007 was definitely starting his prime too :confusedshrug:

Kobe's 2004 FG: .381
Lebron 2007 FG: .356

You lebron stans make this too easy :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Shaq was out of shape, didn't command his teammates to get him the ball to pick up for Malone's injury ... and Kobe's selfish agenda gunning. If he was a great leader, the soldiers would've fell in line accordingly. I felt like if everyone was slacking, and he was having his way with Ben Wallace, he should've put up more than 27 ppg.

Shaq's 2006 Finals was incredibly weak. He didn't even perform like a solid second option. It was literally option #1: Wade, option #2: The Refs. Shaq was busy getting locked up by who? Eric Dampier? That Finals immediately drops him out of contention for top five Finals performer.

I obviously didn't get to see West play in context, but all facts or stories I've read tell me he was super clutch. His numbers in the Finals were absurd. 2nd greatest Finals performer, easily, of all-time.

The two best Finals performers I've seen with my own two eyes, on the game's biggest stage? MJ, and Wade. Even last year, while injured Wade came through when they needed him to most. He always raises his game on that stage.

Shaq not getting the ball more in '04 had to do with Kobe's selfish agenda, as you said. He was out of shape and that did affect his stamina, but still, he averaged solid numbers. '06 was weak. Agreed.

So that's like one, or arguably two weak Finals. Every other Finals, he completely dominated everyone out there. Now, Wade was great in '06 and '11, and had a solid performance in '12 as the second option but imo that doesn't match what Shaq did during his first three-peat in the Finals.

[SamuraiSWISH]

And Kobe's '04 Finals was worse than LeBron's tbh
No it wasn't. They were both selfish, in different ways. At least Kobe, even if selfishly gunning for Finals MVP status was playing ... HARD, trying to get buckets.

What was prime LeBron doing, against an inferior team? Standing around, not even trying, being completely nonexistent out there. Getting lite up by 6th men, and role players.

No excuses, LeBron's 2011 is the worst performance on the big stage from a superstar I've EVER seen. Then Kobe's 2004. Not simply for the poor performance, because of the obvious agenda in both cases behind them.

LeBron almost seemed salty Wade was playing so well, he looked like a pouting younger brother when Wade scolded him on TV in Dallas. He was being selfish, and visibly looked disinterested in trying.

[Illuminati]

I thought we were talking about the Dallas series? All of sudden you bring up the 2007 series. :facepalm

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Oh really? way to talk out of your ass.

Kobe averaged 3.6 TO per game.
http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2003/nba_finals_stats.html

Lebron averaged 5.75 TO per game
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/stats/2006/nba_finals_stats.html

Are all Lebron stans like this? Pulling crap out of thin air and knowing nothing about basketball at all? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

My bad. Thought you were only referring to the '04 and '13 Finals. Though you don't have much of a point considering that Cavs team was a historically weak Finals team.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

No it wasn't. They were both selfish, in different ways. At least Kobe, even if selfishly gunning for Finals MVP status was playing ... HARD, trying to get buckets.

What was prime LeBron doing, against an inferior team? Standing around, not even trying, being completely nonexistent out there. Getting lite up by 6th men, and role players.

No excuses, LeBron's 2011 is the worst performance on the big stage from a superstar I've EVER seen. Then Kobe's 2004. Not simply for the poor performance, because of the obvious agenda in both cases behind them.

LeBron almost seemed salty Wade was playing so well, he looked like a pouting younger brother when Wade scolded him on TV in Dallas. He was being selfish, and visibly looked disinterested in trying.

What's worse,
1) being passive and letting the player who has a hot hand do his thing, or
2) playing like shit and not letting the guy with the hot hand get any touches

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oh really? way to talk out of your ass.

Kobe averaged 3.6 TO per game.
http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2003/nba_finals_stats.html

Lebron averaged 5.75 TO per game
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/stats/2006/nba_finals_stats.html

Are all Lebron stans like this? Pulling crap out of thin air and knowing nothing about basketball at all? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Damn, and I just posted the links above. If that was the start of Kobe's prime, then Lebron in 2007 was definitely starting his prime too :confusedshrug:

Kobe's 2004 FG: .381
Lebron 2007 FG: .356

You lebron stans make this too easy :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

What's worse,
1) being passive and letting the player who has a hot hand do his thing, or
No, don't twist this to fit your agenda. LeBron wasn't asserting himself at all. Even when they needed his help. They just needed his average type production. Not even raise his game BEYOND his normal production ala MJ '91 - '93, Shaq 2000 - 2002, or Wade 2006.

No one was asking for 1 man army type stuff from him.

That's why Wade yelled at his ass. Stop playing mental gymnastics to convince yourself Kobe's was worse. Just accept it was a poor performance and move on. LeBron did, and he redeemed himself.

But the fact of the matter remains, LeBron was selfish, bitter, childish ... and visibly looked disinterested. Not passive, letting someone try to win games 1 v.s. 5 as you're asserting like it's some sort of positive.

He literally wasn't even trying. Guy couldn't even abuse JJ Barea in the post he looked so spiteful, and disinterested. It was disingenuous to that stage of the game, and the competitive nature of basketball itself. Totally selfish, or self serving. Just in a passive way, instead of an over aggressive way like Kobe in 2004.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

No, don't twist this to fit your agenda. LeBron wasn't asserting himself at all. Even when they needed his help. They just needed his average type production. Not even raise his game BEYOND his normal production ala MJ '91 - '93, Shaq 2000 - 2002, or Wade 2006.

No one was asking for 1 man army type stuff from him.

That's why Wade yelled at his ass. Stop playing mental gymnastics to convince yourself Kobe's was worse. Just accept it was a poor performance and move on. LeBron did, and he redeemed himself.

But the fact of the matter remains, LeBron was selfish, bitter, childish ... and visibly:rockon: looked disinterested. Not passive, letting someone try to win games 1 v.s. 5 as you're asserting like it's some sort of positive.

He literally wasn't even trying. Guy couldn't even abuse JJ Barea in the post he looked so spiteful, and disinterested. It was disingenuous to that stage of the game, and the competitive nature of basketball itself. Totally selfish, or self serving. Just in a passive way, instead of an over aggressive way like Kobe in 2004.

I don't have an agenda. I've said many times that's one of the worst finals performances I've ever seen. But at least he didn't get in Wade's way. I'd rather have him give up all his shots to Wade than him hogging the ball and bricking every shot like he did at the end of game 2, even though Wade had been killing it.

Btw that barea comment is wrong. I recall Lebron trying to post him up but Barea would just flop and the ref would call Lebron for a foul.

[ripthekik]

My bad. Thought you were only referring to the '04 and '13 Finals. Though you don't have much of a point considering that Cavs team was a historically weak Finals team.
I see this a lot and don't really understand why it's an excuse. Just because you went to the finals with a bad team, does that mean your performance will suffer? Instead, shouldn't your stats be inflated even more as you do more for your team against greater competition?

Look at AI's team. Is that not a historically weak team? Look at his stats. Stars are supposed to show up in such situations, not wither.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I don't have an agenda.
Really? You're not a fierce defender of LeBron, being an obvious fan of his? You're truly bipartisan in this debate?

Both were bad performances, but at least Kobe was trying. Even if selfishly trying too hard. LeBron hung his team out to dry by not even competing to the best of his abilities.

That's quite clearly worse in the overall scheme of things. Then was so salty he went on to claim his haters had to wake up to empty bank accounts compared to his lavish lifestyle.

Kobe didn't do shit like that. He uses criticism to motivate him, not deflect and bring up personal putdowns like issue of wealth. That's incredibly weak minded on LeBron's part. Pathetic actually. Admit it, and move on.

LeBron's 2011 was worse than Kobe's 2004. For the fact alone that LeBron is superior player than Kobe, right? We've all conceded that by now. So his expectations should be higher. Then why was he even less impactful when things mattered?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Really? You're not a fierce defender of LeBron, being an obvious fan of his? You're truly bipartisan in this debate?

Both were bad performances, but at least Kobe was trying. Even if selfishly trying too hard. LeBron hung his team out to dry by not even competing to the best of his abilities.

That's quite clearly worse in the overall scheme of things. Then was so salty he went on to claim his haters had to wake up to empty bank accounts compared to his lavish lifestyle.

Kobe didn't do shit like that. He uses criticism to motivate him, not deflect and bring up personal putdowns like issue of wealth. That's incredibly weak minded on LeBron's part. Pathetic actually. Admit it, and move on.

LeBron's 2011 was worse than Kobe's 2004. For the fact alone that LeBron is superior player than Kobe, right? We've all conceded that by now. So his expectations should be higher. Then why was he even less impactful when things mattered?

I don't understand what's so difficult to comprehend. I've defended Lebron's play many times from ridiculous criticism but I have never defended his 2011 performance. Clear? Good.

I don't see how its even arguable here who hurt the team more. Let me put it this way. According to you, if Lebron just hogged the ball and denied Wade of touches, it would have been better for the team. Does that make sense? The correct answer is no.

If Lebron played the way Kobe did in 04, arguably it would be better for his legacy. But to say he would give his team a better chance of winning? That's just ridiculous. The Heat would probably get blown out. This is a contrived example but if I'm killing it in a pick up game, and my teammate decides he's either gonna hog the ball or do nothing, I'd tell him to stay the f out of my way.

[Mr Feeny]

I don't understand what's so difficult to comprehend. I've defended Lebron's play many times from ridiculous criticism but I have never defended his 2011 performance. Clear? Good.

I don't see how its even arguable here who hurt the team more. Let me put it this way. According to you, if Lebron just hogged the ball and denied Wade of touches, it would have been better for the team. Does that make sense? The correct answer is no.

If Lebron played the way Kobe did in 04, arguably it would be better for his legacy. But to say he would give his team a better chance of winning? That's just ridiculous. The Heat would probably get blown out. This is a contrived example but if I'm killing it in a pick up game, and my teammate decides he's either gonna hog the ball or do nothing, I'd tell him to stay the f out of my way.

Nah man, jacking off low percentage shots and costing your team a title is alpha. Giving the ball to the hot man is beta. Didn't u know? These kids:oldlol:

[riseagainst]

wow, no MJ on this list. Must be an inferior player to these guys.

[Andrei89]

I see this a lot and don't really understand why it's an excuse. Just because you went to the finals with a bad team, does that mean your performance will suffer? Instead, shouldn't your stats be inflated even more as you do more for your team against greater competition?

Look at AI's team. Is that not a historically weak team? Look at his stats. Stars are supposed to show up in such situations, not wither.


No, not in the Finals. Your stats usually get inflated during the regular season but in the Finals, the opponent is gonna put all the focus on you. When you have such a weak supporting cast and you are going agains Popovich, prime MJ wouldn't have beaten those Spurs.

But what do you know about basketball

:lol

[ripthekik]

No, not in the Finals. Your stats usually get inflated during the regular season but in the Finals, the opponent is gonna put all the focus on you. When you have such a weak supporting cast and you are going agains Popovich, prime MJ wouldn't have beaten those Spurs.

But what do you know about basketball

:lol
Oh, so only in the finals they started focusing on you? You don't think other teams focused on the best player on the first, second, and conference finals? So Why the sudden dropoff in the finals?

Dumbass.. Ask yourself if you really know bball. AI's team had no chance against the shaq kobe Lakers. What does he do? Go out and drop 40 or 50 on them. Did he had such a big dropoff like lebron? Did he average 6 turnovers per game?

Stop making excuses for lebron. Having a weak cast doesn't mean you will play worst. He is just a historically weak finals performer.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Oh, so only in the finals they started focusing on you? You don't think other teams focused on the best player on the first, second, and conference finals? So Why the sudden dropoff in the finals?

Dumbass.. Ask yourself if you really know bball. AI's team had no chance against the shaq kobe Lakers. What does he do? Go out and drop 40 or 50 on them. Did he had such a big dropoff like lebron? Did he average 6 turnovers per game?

Stop making excuses for lebron. Having a weak cast doesn't mean you will play worst. He is just a historically weak finals performer.

Iverson had one good game that Finals. Rest were below average. And funnily enough, even though Lebron is an average Finals performer, Kobe is still worse than him. How many good Finals has he had, like 2 out of 7

[Andrei89]

Oh, so only in the finals they started focusing on you? You don't think other teams focused on the best player on the first, second, and conference finals? So Why the sudden dropoff in the finals?

Dumbass.. Ask yourself if you really know bball. AI's team had no chance against the shaq kobe Lakers. What does he do? Go out and drop 40 or 50 on them. Did he had such a big dropoff like lebron? Did he average 6 turnovers per game?

Stop making excuses for lebron. Having a weak cast doesn't mean you will play worst. He is just a historically weak finals performer.

I watched game 7 of 2010 NBA Finals and I can honestly say that was also one of the worst performances of all time. Kobe nearly choked the game away if it weren't for his teammates to bail him out.

I remember threads being made by the biggest Kobe stan right here after quarter 3 titled " ok, Kobe sucks". Then deleted it after 4th quarter.

Embarrassing

:lol :lol

[ripthekik]

I watched game 7 of 2010 NBA Finals and I can honestly say that was also one of the worst performances of all time. Kobe nearly choked the game away if it weren't for his teammates to bail him out.

I remember threads being made by the biggest Kobe stan right here after quarter 3 titled " ok, Kobe sucks". Then deleted it after 4th quarter.

Embarrassing

:lol :lol
Wait, one game is all you got? One game? Where for lebron I'm talking about MUTIPLE SERIES? :oldlol:

If you want to know what's really embarrassing, check out lebron playoff flops and you should have it.

[sportjames23]

Jerry West is EASILY the 2nd greatest Finals performer ever. Behind only the GOAT, Jordan.

The next best Finals performer is probably Bird, then Wade. If Shaq didn't have such a flat out stinker in 2006, and a weak 2004 ... he could've challenged Mr. Logo for the number 2 spot.

If LeBron took the disrespectful wide open jumpers given to him all series by the Spurs, the same way MJ made the Blazers pay in game 1 giving him the open three in the '92 Finals, the Heat wouldn't have needed 7 damn games to beat that old, decrepit Spurs team.


This here.

[ripthekik]

Iverson had one good game that Finals. Rest were below average. And funnily enough, even though Lebron is an average Finals performer, Kobe is still worse than him. How many good Finals has he had, like 2 out of 7
Ai averaged 35.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 3.8apg, 1.8 spg

That's bad??:facepalm
That's how a single superstar is supposed to take over. Not drop dead and turn the ball over 6 times per game.

[Nash]

definitely more impressive than his game 7, made possible by Sir Ray Allen.
and here is why IP ban is needed.

You derail every damn thread with your Lebron hate.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Ai averaged 35.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 3.8apg, 1.8 spg

That's bad??:facepalm
That's how a single superstar is supposed to take over. Not drop dead and turn the ball over 6 times per game.

Yeah, Lebron had a terrible finals in 07. There's no disputing that. Why don't you address Kobe being abysmal in nearly all his finals.

[ripthekik]

Yeah, Lebron had a terrible finals in 07. There's no disputing that. Why don't you address Kobe being abysmal in nearly all his finals.
Could have been easier if you admitted it in the first place. So 2007 and 2011. Not a historically bad finals performer?

And Correct me if I'm wrong but it's been twice that you've spewed bullcrap in this thread and I owned you straight with numbers. Calling Kobe out for having more turnovers than lebron? Saying AI had a below-average series? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

It's pretty clear you don't know crap about basketball.

When I say smth about lebron, I throw out the numbers to back up what I say. If you want to tell me Kobe played bad in nearly all his finals, you prove it to me.

[ImKobe]

MJ - 0

Lebron > MJ

[ImKobe]

Yeah, Lebron had a terrible finals in 07. There's no disputing that. Why don't you address Kobe being abysmal in nearly all his finals.
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[HoopsFanNumero1]

Could have been easier if you admitted it in the first place. So 2007 and 2011. Not a historically bad finals performer?

And Correct me if I'm wrong but it's been twice that you've spewed bullcrap in this thread and I owned you straight with numbers. Calling Kobe out for having more turnovers than lebron? Saying AI had a below-average series? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

It's pretty clear you don't know crap about basketball.

When I say smth about lebron, I throw out the numbers to back up what I say. If you want to tell me Kobe played bad in nearly all his finals, you prove it to me.

Theres not much to say here. I'm on my phone so I'm not gonna research any numbers right now but his efficiency was abysmal in every Finals except 02 I think. You should be dodging this topic and rightfully so.

Btw, I still remember when you said the Heat need Bosh for his rebounding, so it's pretty clear you have no clue how most teams play and just look at the box scores to make your concluaions, so I wouldn't be so quick to point fingers.

[RoseCity07]

Where's Kobe? Oh wait.

[ripthekik]

Theres not much to say here. I'm on my phone so I'm not gonna research any numbers right now but his efficiency was abysmal in every Finals except 02 I think. You should be dodging this topic and rightfully so.

Btw, I still remember when you said the Heat need Bosh for his rebounding, so it's pretty clear you have no clue how most teams play and just look at the box scores to make your concluaions, so I wouldn't be so quick to point fingers.
In other words, you're talking out of your ass again. Kthxbye.

[ImKobe]

Theres not much to say here. I'm on my phone so I'm not gonna research any numbers right now but his efficiency was abysmal in every Finals except 02 I think. You should be dodging this topic and rightfully so.

Btw, I still remember when you said the Heat need Bosh for his rebounding, so it's pretty clear you have no clue how most teams play and just look at the box scores to make your concluaions, so I wouldn't be so quick to point fingers.

Maybe you should check up what abysmal means before you use that word in an argument.

Heat needed Bosh for his rebounding and defense. You should actually watch the tape and see how well Bosh worked on Parker when he and Wade/Bron were doubling Parker in the high post, not allowing him to get to the area where he was most efficient at(the paint), forcing him to pass the ball around on the perimeter. Oh and Bosh saved the series with his crucial offensive rebounds and he blocked the shot that would have tied the game in overtime against a guy that broke the Finals record in 3s made.

Bosh is there to space the floor on the offensive end, he's a productive scorer, but they use him to get bigs out of the paint for open lanes for Bron/whoever's cutting to the basket. You obviously have no idea how valuable he is outside of the box score.

And coming back to Kobe's efficiency, while he has not been great due to all the tough shots he takes against the top defenses he's played against(some of the greatest defensive teams ever) (Indiana,Detroit,Boston,Orlando) he's made up for it in other areas, such as defense and making plays for his teammates (Derek Fisher 3 to get the game to OT against Orlando and another pass out of the double team to Fisher to seal the game).

People want to discredit Kobe's Finals performances all they want, but he stepped up more often than none and won crucial games for his teams. In his first Finals series, he was injured by Jalen Rose(who admitted it later) and had to miss a game plus play hurt for the rest of the series, Shaq fouls out and he literally wins the game for his team. 02 Finals he averages 27 on above 50% shooting from the field and behind the arc, 08 Finals he had a great defensive series but wasn't as effective due to him having to do everything. 09 Finals he played with injured fingers but had one of the best series I've ever witnessed.

2010 Finals people want to talk about his 6-24 game, like it was the only one of the series, like he didn't play well in any other game.

Fact is, Kobe has 5 rings and your boy Lebron has 2. :coleman:

[ImKobe]

Where's Kobe? Oh wait.

23 points and 15 rebounds :applause: plus the pass to Artest that won the game. Team was down double digits in a low-scoring game and he willed them back in the 4th quarter :applause:

Lakers are down 13 in the 3rd quarter, having only scored 36 points in the entire game, the following happens:


8:15.0 49-37 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2
8:15.0 T. Allen enters the game for P. Pierce 49-37
8:15.0 49-37 K. Bryant misses free throw 2 of 2
7:37.0 49-39 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft (assist by L. Odom)
3:08.0 56-49 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot from 5 ft

4th quarter time


8:46.0 59-55 Shooting foul by R. Allen (drawn by K. Bryant)
8:46.0 59-56 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 1 of 3
8:46.0 59-57 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 2 of 3
8:46.0 59-58 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 3 of 3
5:56.0 64-65 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2
5:56.0 64-66 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2
Celtics never lead again from this point forward

5:22.0 64-68 +2 K. Bryant makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
3:21.0 66-70 K. Bryant misses free throw 1 of 2
3:21.0 66-70 Offensive rebound by Team
3:21.0 66-71 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2
1:01.0 73-79 +3 M. World Peace makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft (assist by K. Bryant)
0:25.7 76-80 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2
0:25.7 76-81 +1 K. Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2

3 big shots and goes 9-11 from the line and makes a huge pass to Artest to ice the game.

Yeah, Kobe was a non-factor in Game 7.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

In other words, you're talking out of your ass again. Kthxbye.

To be honest, you're not really worth debating with:lol
You're like that kid in school that dresses like Bieber and thinks he's cool when in reality everyone's laughing at him. I only respond to you to see you make a fool of yourself and you rarely disappoint.

[ripthekik]

To be honest, you're not really worth debating with:lol
You're like that kid in school that dresses like Bieber and thinks he's cool when in reality everyone's laughing at him. I only respond to you to see you make a fool of yourself and you rarely disappoint.
Just come clean and admit you suck at this. You lebron stans are just good at getting owned. You said Kobe had more turnovers, I gave you the stats. You said AI had a bad series, I gave you the stats. And you had no response to either of that. Nothing. You had to change the topic.

Now you want to call Kobe out for having bad final performances, the guy above just ethered you with that whole thing, and you're going to ignore it again. Simply, you lebron stans are the dumbest basketball fans who know nothing about competition or basketball. If you can't debate, don't engage. Remember this next time.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Just come clean and admit you suck at this. You lebron stans are just good at getting owned. You said Kobe had more turnovers, I gave you the stats. You said AI had a bad series, I gave you the stats. And you had no response to either of that. Nothing. You had to change the topic.

Now you want to call Kobe out for having bad final performances, the guy above just ethered you with that whole thing, and you're going to ignore it again. Simply, you lebron stans are the dumbest basketball fans who know nothing about competition or basketball. If you can't debate, don't engage. Remember this next time.

All I see there is a list of (undeserved) free throws. Kobe stans trying to act like he had a good game when he shat the bed and shot 6-24 :lol

And its fitting you would refer to his reply. Everyone knows you can't come up with any original thoughts of your own.

[Mr Feeny]

All I see there is a list of (undeserved) free throws. Kobe stams trying to act like he had a good game when he shat the bed and shot 6-24 :lol

And its fitting you would refer to his reply. Everyone knows you can't come up with any original thoughts of your own.

I applaud this man:applause:
Way to educate the young blood:applause:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

And how desperate do you have to reference that garbage post. All he did was done up with every excuse in the book to make kobe look good

[BoutPractice]

Kobe may shoot relatively poorly in the Finals, but he's been in 7 series, averaged over 25 ppg, 5 apg and 40fg% in most of them, and won 5 of them suggesting that his shooting percentage wasn't an obstacle. On the whole he's performed like a superstar SG on the biggest stage... the problem is that his stans claim that he was some kind of Finals god which he really wasn't. But he certainly lived up to his superstar status, his Finals performances aren't something that can truly be used against him although they're not the most exceptional feature of his career.

[Magic 32]

Why don't you address Kobe being abysmal in nearly all his finals.

00 = should not count because of the ankle injury (if anything it should be celebrated for the heroic game 4 performance)

01 = Very good (27 pts, 9 reb, 6 ast, 44 FG% after game 1).

02 = Excellent

04 = bad

08 = mixed (3 bad games, 3 good games)

09 = Excellent

10 = Very good (except for game 7)

[HoopsFanNumero1]

00 = should not count because of the ankle injury (if anything it should be celebrated for the heroic game 4 performance)

01 = Very good (27 pts, 9 reb, 6 ast, 44 FG% after game 1).

02 = Excellent

04 = bad

08 = mixed (3 bad games, 3 good games)

09 = Excellent

10 = Very good (except for game 7)

Or in short, nothing to write home about.

[Magic 32]

Or in short, nothing to write home about.

Could say the same about Lebron, Duncan and 90% of the all-time greats.

[jlip]

:applause:

In that 1962 game 7 that Baylor had 41pts and West had 35pts, Bill Russell led the Celtics with 30pts.

In the 1966 game 7 that Jerry West had 36pts, Bill Russell again led the Celtics with 25pts and had more than any Laker not named West.

Not bad for a center who "could not score." :applause:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Could say the same about Lebron, Duncan and 90% of the all-time greats.

Exactly, but I'm not the one acting Lebron is a great Finals performer.

[dankok8]

LBJ tied for most points by a winning player. Not bad... :rockon: