Kyrie Irving: 26 points in 27 shots wow

[k0kakw0rld]

What an amazing display of ineffiency. Probably the worst point guard in the east right now. Overrated ship his ass to the D-League.

[moe94]

That's that Antoine Walker efficiency.

[IncarceratedBob]

He's the only player on that team with a semblance of offensive skill

[Illuminati]

My friend calls Kyrie 'Mini-Mamba' and damn, he isn't lying.

[Boarder Patrol]

I've been saying for all of my time here that Kyrie is a neutral/negative value player.

He gets a lot of points but does it out of the team's offense and is terribly inefficient. There isn't a lot of value to 25 points on 25 shots. Teams need to be able to score 100+, and very often don't get more than 75 shots up. Not to mention his defense.

Kyrie needs lockdown defenders, good passers, and efficient offensive players around him to make up for his deficiencies. Basically not worth it for a winning team. Cavs should cash in before it's too late.

[El Gato Negro]

He's the only player on that team with a semblance of offensive skill
av has the second highest mid range shooting efficacy in the nba.

[Boarder Patrol]

He's the only player on that team with a semblance of offensive skill

Luol Deng is a better offensive player than Kyrie.

[Lebron23]

That's that Antoine Walker efficiency.

Prime Antoine walker was a good all around player. It sucks that he had a poor shot selection.

[moe94]

He gets a lot of points but does it out of the team's offense and is terribly inefficient.

He's at his worst season in terms of efficiency. He's still more efficient than Lillard. At his worst, he's still better than Lillard. :oldlol:

In fact, before this season, his efficiency was lauded.

[Mr. Jabbar]

damn, its not panning out like danny wanted..

http://www.rantsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/nba_g_gilbert11_576.jpg

[Boarder Patrol]

Kyrie + 2014 Cleveland 1st for Michael Carter Williams.

I honestly think Philly says no.

[JohnFreeman]

I always knew he was overrated. Nice guy though, met him in Brisbane

[moe94]

Kyrie + 2014 Cleveland 1st for Michael Carter Williams.

I honestly think Philly says no.

rookie Kyrie > rookie MCW :confusedshrug:

[Inferno]

He's at his worst season in terms of efficiency. He's still more efficient than Lillard. At his worst, he's still better than Lillard. :oldlol:

In fact, before this season, his efficiency was lauded.

Nah he's not more efficient than Lillard...

2.4 more shots to score 0.1 more point per game...

[Boarder Patrol]

He's at his worst season in terms of efficiency. He's still more efficient than Lillard. At his worst, he's still better than Lillard. :oldlol:

In fact, before this season, his efficiency was lauded.

There's more to efficiency than field goal percentage.

You'd probably think Lillard is inefficient when you see his 42% FG, but if you looked a little you'd see he's shooting 44% from deep on over 7 attempts per game. Those are Curry level numbers, even better than him this year. He's also knocking down 90% of his free throws. TS% of .585

Kyrie, on the other hand, is shooting a very slightly better 43% from the field, while shooting over two less 3's and making them at a middling 36%. Free throws are down to 83%, TS% of just 52 (comparatively, JR Smith last year).

Lillard's efficiency >>> Kyrie

[moe94]

Yeah, you're right. Kyrie keeps dipping. He went back to form in December...

[Boarder Patrol]

rookie Kyrie > rookie MCW :confusedshrug:

Maybe, but I like to value defense in players.

Also, Kyrie's shooting has regressed and he has shown no improvement. Confirmed as unable to carry a team like many thought he'd be able to. He's a valuable piece and might be a good #2/#3 one day, but right now he's neutral to a teams performance.

[Jameerthefear]

Kyrie + 2014 Cleveland 1st for Michael Carter Williams.

I honestly think Philly says no.
lol no they don't. they take that and run

[Inferno]

Yeah, you're right. Kyrie keeps dipping. He went back to form in December...

True. But Damian wasn't too shabby in December either :confusedshrug:

Kyrie put up 24/6 on 19 shots, Damian put up 23/6 on 16 shots, again being more efficient because of his 3 point shooting

[Boarder Patrol]

Yeah, you're right. Kyrie keeps dipping. He went back to form in December...

He had a really nice month, but with his ability to get to the rim he needs to cut WAY back on jumpers, even threes, and attack the rim. He was doing that with a little consistency for stretches.

Should be averaging more like 20/8/4 on 46/40/83 instead of 22/6/3 on 43/36/83. He's got a lot to learn, but I think he'll get there if he can get a competent coach.

[Boarder Patrol]

lol no they don't. they take that and run

**Meant to say lotto-protected first or something.

But why? MCW has shown a higher ceiling and the ability to lead his team to wins more. He plays better defense, and passes and rebounds better. The only think Kyrie has is scoring, which isn't that much of a gap and one that will be closed soon.

[I<3NBA]

My friend calls Kyrie 'Mini-Mamba' and damn, he isn't lying.
:lol :lol :lol

[Boarder Patrol]

I'd like to say any "out there" opinion I have on Kyrie, and I realize they're against the grain, isn't just reactionary to this one game but something based on the dozens of games I've seen of him.

[Jameerthefear]

**Meant to say lotto-protected first or something.

But why? MCW has shown a higher ceiling and the ability to lead his team to wins more. He plays better defense, and passes and rebounds better. The only think Kyrie has is scoring, which isn't that much of a gap and one that will be closed soon.
you are really overrating MCW. Him and Oladipo have both been so up and down. Kyrie is in a slump, yeah, but even in his rookie season he was a better player then MCW.

[Inferno]

MCW does have a ceiling as high as, if not higher than Kyrie's (possibly), but Kyrie's also younger and the more proven player...

MCW has injury concerns as well IMO

But throw in a Cleveland 1st and I'm pretty sure Philly takes that in a heartbeat

[moe94]

I'd like to say any "out there" opinion I have on Kyrie, and I realize they're against the grain, isn't just reactionary to this one game but something based on the dozens of games I've seen of him.

Believe me, your opinion is not exactly out there. It's actually becoming the opinion that is parroted. :(


LMAO @ MCW being older than Kyrie

Kyrie is a baby.

[Inferno]

Yeah, WTF how is Kyrie so young :biggums:

Every year there's some new PG but Kyrie's still younger :biggums:

[Boarder Patrol]

There's definitely still time for Kyrie to improve, and maybe it was too reactionary, that hypothetical deal. But there are a lot of PG's I'd take over him until he can regain his efficient scoring (was thought of to be a 50/40/90 candidate) and prove not to be a complete defensive liability.

The pick probably breaks the deal but right now I value MCW as much going forward.

[moe94]

Yeah, WTF how is Kyrie so young :biggums:

Every year there's some new PG but Kyrie's still younger :biggums:

2020 draft #1 pick, the freshman phenom Point Guard

Somehow Kyrie is still younger. :banana:

[Inferno]

2020 draft #1 pick, the freshman phenom Point Guard

Somehow Kyrie is still younger. :banana:

:lol

[sc19]

Just copying his hero, Kobe.

[FaceSmack]

I actually like to call Kyrie the Kobe of PGs. Not really a pure passer but an elite scorer with a diverse offensive arsenal. He's also really clutch and he's got a ton of followers

Wall is the Lebron of PGs. Athletically gifted, poor jump shot. Pure passer and floor general. Can get to the paint at will. He also has a lot of people that don't like him

[moe94]

I actually like to call Kyrie the Kobe of PGs. Not really a pure passer but an elite scorer with a diverse offensive arsenal. He's also really clutch and he's got a ton of followers

Wall is the Lebron of PGs. Athletically gifted, poor jump shot. Pure passer and floor general. Can get to the paint at will. He also has a lot of people that don't like him

Beautifully put. :applause:

[DukeDelonte13]

I've watched every single NBA game Kyrie has played in.

Austin Carr the cavs color commentator said it best. Cavs need Kyrie to put up 18 and 10 versus 25 and 5.


It's easy for a good team to cut off Kyrie's driving lanes. Kyrie needs to understand how to move the f*cking ball, especially late in the stretch. Im sick of watching him just dribble it into the teeth of the defense instead of giving it up and forcing the defense to work.

Some games he decides he wants to be a PG and other games he decides he wants to be Kobe.

[PleezeBelieve]

Cavs about to lose Dion Waiters because they're going to let Kyrie Gunz run their franchise.

Second rate organization

[Budadiiii]

Cavs about to lose Dion Waiters because they're going to let Kyrie Gunz run their franchise.

Second rate organization
:applause:

Kyrie leading the Cavs to more L's. Forever a loser franchise.

[DukeDelonte13]

Cavs about to lose Dion Waiters because they're going to let Kyrie Gunz run their franchise.

Second rate organization


Mike Brown loves Dion, and Dan Gilbert especially loves Dion. Cavs have been getting offers for Dion all season. I highly doubt they will let him go.

[PleezeBelieve]

Mike Brown loves Dion, and Dan Gilbert especially loves Dion. Cavs have been getting offers for Dion all season. I highly doubt they will let him go.
Mike Brown certainly doesn't coach like he loves Dion

Mike Brown certainly coaches like he loves Kyrie

[STATUTORY]

kyrie really fell apart after kobe got injured

[cuad]

Meanwhile, just one day earlier, Isaiah Thomas drops 38 points on 11-18 shooting.

Isaiah Thomas is better than Kyrie Irving.

[DMAVS41]

I've watched every single NBA game Kyrie has played in.

Austin Carr the cavs color commentator said it best. Cavs need Kyrie to put up 18 and 10 versus 25 and 5.


It's easy for a good team to cut off Kyrie's driving lanes. Kyrie needs to understand how to move the f*cking ball, especially late in the stretch. Im sick of watching him just dribble it into the teeth of the defense instead of giving it up and forcing the defense to work.

Some games he decides he wants to be a PG and other games he decides he wants to be Kobe.

He hasn't learned to pick his spots yet. He doesn't have to be one or the other...he just can't do all or nothing on either side of that issue.

I like Irving...and I want the Cavs to get good again, but unless something changes I just really don't see Irving staying.

They only have 32 million on the books for next year. So they could revamp the roster pretty significantly, but what could they really get? They could sign Deng I guess if he'll stay and add a big potentially (not sure there are a ton of bigs out there as good as Andy anyway though)...just seems like this roster is going to be more or less the same next year.

And then Kyrie is up after next year. I'd be really worried as a Cavs fan.

[DukeDelonte13]

He hasn't learned to pick his spots yet. He doesn't have to be one or the other...he just can't do all or nothing on either side of that issue.

I like Irving...and I want the Cavs to get good again, but unless something changes I just really don't see Irving staying.

They only have 32 million on the books for next year. So they could revamp the roster pretty significantly, but what could they really get? They could sign Deng I guess if he'll stay and add a big potentially (not sure there are a ton of bigs out there as good as Andy anyway though)...just seems like this roster is going to be more or less the same next year.

And then Kyrie is up after next year. I'd be really worried as a Cavs fan.


He's a RFA :hammerhead: so as a cavs fan I wouldn't be worried about losing Irving at all. At least not after his rookie deal is up.




Mike Brown certainly doesn't coach like he loves Dion

Mike Brown certainly coaches like he loves Kyrie


I disagree with that. I think Brown has held both of them accountable. I think Byron held Kyrie to a lesser standard though. I think Kyrie and Dion should be yanked from a game if they give up on plays and don't get back on transition.

[DMAVS41]

He's a RFA :hammerhead: so as a cavs fan I wouldn't be worried about losing Irving at all. At least not after his rookie deal is up.






I disagree with that. I think Brown has held both of them accountable. I think Byron held Kyrie to a lesser standard though. I think Kyrie and Dion should be yanked from a game if they give up on plays and don't get back on transition.

I know he's restricted. He could still leave. I'd be worried. Especially if the Cavs can't get better this coming season. Hopefully they do.

[DukeDelonte13]

I know he's restricted. He could still leave. I'd be worried. Especially if the Cavs can't get better this coming season. Hopefully they do.


I can't think of a scenario where the cavs would allow that to happen barring some crazy situation where Kyrie just up and pulls an Allen Iverson and refuses to play for the organization any more and they just cut ties... Cavs will most likely match any offer he gets.

[DMAVS41]

I can't think of a scenario where the cavs would allow that to happen barring some crazy situation where Kyrie just up and pulls an Allen Iverson and refuses to play for the organization any more and they just cut ties... Cavs will most likely match any offer he gets.

of course they will. i'm talking about the exact type of scenario you posted above.

[DukeDelonte13]

of course they will. i'm talking about the exact type of scenario you posted above.


That exact scenario has almost no likelihood of ever happening. Kyrie has a good head on his shoulders and the cavs by all account are treating him very well. He's even helped recruit for the cavs. If he's going to bolt he'll do it after his second deal when he's unrestricted.

[DMAVS41]

That exact scenario has almost no likelihood of ever happening. Kyrie has a good head on his shoulders and the cavs by all account are treating him very well. He's even helped recruit for the cavs. If he's going to bolt he'll do it after his second deal when he's unrestricted.

It depends on what the Cavs do. I don't know if "good head on his shoulders" it at play.

If the Cavs are coming back next year with a roster that is going to get them 10 or so games under .500...it's going to be a problem.

We'll see.

[chips93]

I've been saying for all of my time here that Kyrie is a neutral/negative value player.

He gets a lot of points but does it out of the team's offense and is terribly inefficient. There isn't a lot of value to 25 points on 25 shots. Teams need to be able to score 100+, and very often don't get more than 75 shots up. Not to mention his defense.

Kyrie needs lockdown defenders, good passers, and efficient offensive players around him to make up for his deficiencies. Basically not worth it for a winning team. Cavs should cash in before it's too late.

if you are satisfied looking at this from purely a statistical standpoint, and ignoring context, you ought to acknowledge the rest of the cavs roster.

kyrie has the 5th highest TS% (im not counting deng, since hes only played like 5 games). the players above kyrie? anderson, miles, zeller, and dellavadova.

So which of those offensive juggernauts would you like to see take more shots?

maybe when the shot clock is winding down, brown should call for some more delly isos? should zeller be looking for the ball on the low block?

:rolleyes:

kyrie isnt from perfect, i wish he would be a better passer, but im not entirely sure hes capable of that. regardless hes clearly the best player on the cavs.


rookie Kyrie > rookie MCW :confusedshrug:

mcw is older than kyrie too

[chips93]

I've watched every single NBA game Kyrie has played in.

Austin Carr the cavs color commentator said it best. Cavs need Kyrie to put up 18 and 10 versus 25 and 5.


It's easy for a good team to cut off Kyrie's driving lanes. Kyrie needs to understand how to move the f*cking ball, especially late in the stretch. Im sick of watching him just dribble it into the teeth of the defense instead of giving it up and forcing the defense to work.

Some games he decides he wants to be a PG and other games he decides he wants to be Kobe.

i feel like these games where he decides to be a point guard, hes still more of a floor general, than a pure passer. thats the thing that worries me about kyrie. his 'unselfishness' is just letting dion start the offense, or getting andy the ball in the high post.

its not like cp3's version of unselfishness, which is getting teammates easy shots.

[alexthegr8]

I've watched every single NBA game Kyrie has played in.

Austin Carr the cavs color commentator said it best. Cavs need Kyrie to put up 18 and 10 versus 25 and 5.


It's easy for a good team to cut off Kyrie's driving lanes. Kyrie needs to understand how to move the f*cking ball, especially late in the stretch. Im sick of watching him just dribble it into the teeth of the defense instead of giving it up and forcing the defense to work.

Some games he decides he wants to be a PG and other games he decides he wants to be Kobe.

So in other words, you want him to be John Wall? Wall's averaging 20 and 9 while rebounding, stealing the ball and playing defense at a high rate.

[DukeDelonte13]

So in other words, you want him to be John Wall? Wall's averaging 20 and 9 while rebounding, stealing the ball and playing defense at a high rate.



I'll give credit where it's due. Wall has been great this season. He's playing within the game instead of forcing it.

Kyrie needs to play what the defense gives him instead of forcing the issue so much. Don't get me wrong, Kyrie has had some games this year where he's looked better than he ever has in his career; playing tough D, getting his teammates easy buckets, being a vocal leader, etc.

It's just more often then not especially in comeback situations, Kyrie has a tendency to wanna play too much hero ball in the final few minutes stagnating the offense.

[Boarder Patrol]

Not sure what's worse, losing Kyrie for nothing or paying him the max for years.

[alexthegr8]

I'll give credit where it's due. Wall has been great this season. He's playing within the game instead of forcing it.

Kyrie needs to play what the defense gives him instead of forcing the issue so much. Don't get me wrong, Kyrie has had some games this year where he's looked better than he ever has in his career; playing tough D, getting his teammates easy buckets, being a vocal leader, etc.

It's just more often then not especially in comeback situations, Kyrie has a tendency to wanna play too much hero ball in the final few minutes stagnating the offense.

I was just giving you a hard time, you're definitely very even-handed when analyzing Kyrie. Definitely still a star in this league and the Cavs are lucky to have him. He's still figuring out how to best impact the game but hell, he's still got plenty of time to be exactly what people were projecting him to be before the season.