How many rings would they have if Kobe Tmac and Dirk decided to Team up after 04'?

[HOoopCityJones]

This thread doesn't have an agenda, let me make that clear.

I just seriously wanna know, if they had thrown their Alpha persona's to the wayside and decided to form a big three like the Heat did in this era, how many Championships do you think these three players could have won together?


Legit discussion guys.

[DMAVS41]

This thread doesn't have an agenda, let me make that clear.

I just seriously wanna know, if they had thrown their Alpha persona's to the wayside and decided to form a big three like the Heat did in this era, how many Championships do you think these three players could have won together?


Legit discussion guys.

How long does TMac stay healthy?

Actually...doesn't really matter. Kobe and Dirk alone from 05 to present is raping the league. I'd say roughly 4 or 5 titles in those 9 years from 05 through 13 (assuming Kobe doesn't blow his achilles trying to carry a sorry roster....because by the 2nd half of the season last year Dirk was back to quality form and was healthy.

[HOoopCityJones]

How long does TMac stay healthy?

Well, hell if he isn't taking the entire load every night like in Orlando and Houston , i don't think he becomes as injury prone.

[DMAVS41]

Well, hell if he isn't taking the entire load every night like in Orlando and Houston , i don't think he becomes as injury prone.

Okay. I think Kobe/Dirk alone wins 4 or 5 in 9 years. I'd say about 1 or 2 more with TMAC...if healthy they probably run off like 6 in 8 years or something. I don't see how anyone can beat them really.



Teams that won that would potentially give them trouble;

08 Celtics and 05 Spurs and 12 Heat.

[HOoopCityJones]

Okay. I think Kobe/Dirk alone wins 4 or 5 in 9 years. I'd say about 1 or 2 more with TMAC...if healthy they probably run off like 6 in 8 years or something. I don't see how anyone can beat them really.

I agree.

I think they'd be a very high scoring Team, Kobe and TMac alone would go off for 30-40 pts every night.

Especially during this time where we didn't as much zone defense.

Tbh you only had a few Defensive minded Teams during this time, aside from Pop's Spurs and Detroit.

[DMAVS41]

I agree.

I think they'd be a very high scoring Team, Kobe and TMac alone would go off for 30-40 pts every night.

Especially during this time where we didn't as much zone defense.

Tbh you only had a few Defensive minded Teams during this time, aside from Pop's Spurs and Detroit.

You give them a center like Diop/Gadzuric and any pg that can spot up shoot and they aren't losing if healthy.

They'd actually be a very good defensive team from 05 through 11 with a decent center that could rebound and a decent pg. 12 and 13 would be where they would be all offense most likely, but they'd still have a great chance to win both years...especially in 13 if healthy due to the weak competition.

[HOoopCityJones]

You give them a center like Diop/Gadzuric and any pg that can spot up shoot and they aren't losing if healthy.

They'd actually be a very good defensive team from 05 through 11 with a decent center that could rebound and a decent pg. 12 and 13 would be where they would be all offense most likely, but they'd still have a great chance to win both years...especially in 13 if healthy due to the weak competition.

That's exactly what I was thinking , give them a defensive minded Center like the one we know a Tyson Chandler will become as a anchor and this squad would be scary good.

It's terrifying to think you'd have three guys who could go on a "can't miss" night from the arc.


EDIT: The 5 would automatically put up double digits, there's no way you're not doubling one of the Big three.

[houston]

Well, hell if he isn't taking the entire load every night like in Orlando and Houston , i don't think he becomes as injury prone.


T-mac was a lazy player. He wasn't a hard worker. Dirk still wasn't a mentally tough player. Kobe still was a headcase. This would underachieve. Hell we seen what Kobe did with Dwight and Nash:roll:

[Milbuck]

They would **** on the league. Especially in this era of shooting big men and lack of size in front courts, a Dirk/Kobe combo would be flat out unstoppable. Throw in TMac and it's not even fair.
TMac was a superstar caliber player until about 2008. Kobe and Dirk have consistently been incredible. So from 2005-2008 I could see them winning every ring pretty easily. After that TMac probably gets traded or doesn't get re-signed, giving them room for good role players. So till about 2012 or 2013 they'd be contenders every year. They'd probably win 2009-2011, and be elite till 2013. But you still never know with Kobe/Dirk. I'd say 5+

[SCdac]

LOL @ at this team coexisting peacefully ... There's only 1 ball!

[Milbuck]

LOL @ at this team coexisting peacefully ... There's only 1 ball!

All 3 are great shooters, and high IQ players. With good coaching there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to coexist.

[SCdac]

All 3 are great shooters, and high IQ players. With good coaching there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to coexist.

Just don't see it. Maybe with a more traditional PF in place of Dirk, but not one who plays like a SG/SF. Not enough shots to go around to make all three of them as effective as they could be, if we're talking about primes. T-Mac and Kobe both like to handle the ball alot, hell even Dirk needs the ball in his hands a good amount. All in all, just doesn't seem realistic. Kobe's ego is the size of everest and "throwing their egos to the wayside" is nice and all but can't see it happening... Assuming it did work, yea it would be great. But I see these three players operating in the same areas of the floor alot, idk.

[PJR]

It would entirely depend on who was the coach, and what were the supporting pieces surrounding them. Those are three ultra talented offensive players, but I don't see stingy defense among that core. McGrady was a lazy player, and Dirk while a massive mismatch offensively, is some one who you always had to hide on defense.

Don't see Bryant or McGrady co-existing either. One of those guys would have to be content only shooting the ball 14-15 times a game. Who's putting aside their ego? Kobe clashed with Shaq as far as his role was concerned, and he was shooting 20 shots a game.

The way some basketball fans analyze basketball is funny. Team synergy matters, dolts.

[Demitri98]

All of them.

[Legends66NBA7]

They'd dominate.

If they have a good rim protector and a bunch of shooters coming off the bench, then that will more than compliment them. Were talking about some really good playoff performers here, they would in contention every year and anything short of a title is disappointing.

That being said, they would obviously get fatigued at one season or so and teams adjusting towards them, trying to get talent to match them. Like someone already mentioned, 4-5 rings seems pretty reachable, perhaps even more ?

[HOoopCityJones]

Of course Phil is the coach, otherwise it doesn't work.

Even the Heat need a figure like Riley (and his entire coaching staff) watching over Spo.

[coolhandsteve]

Assuming those 3 go to a Western Conference team (L.A. or Dallas), they probably don't win it all the first year, but rattle off 4/5 rings most likely in: '06, '07, '09, '10 & '11. With this I'm assuming T-Mac doesn't have as much wear & tear on the knees at least in the early part of this run.

[HOoopCityJones]

Assuming those 3 go to a Western Conference team (L.A. or Dallas), they probably don't win it all the first year, but rattle off 4/5 rings most likely in: '06, '07, '09, '10 & '11. With this I'm assuming T-Mac doesn't have as much wear & tear on the knees at least in the early part of this run.

Basically.

But I think they take it their first year, this Team is just too good on paper.

Mind you, this is a time in the league where it was one, maybe two stars per team.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Tmac is too much of a loser to ever actually win any rings imo.

[houston]

Tmac is too much of a loser to ever actually win any rings imo.


Yea this is true

[DMAVS41]

Just don't see it. Maybe with a more traditional PF in place of Dirk, but not one who plays like a SG/SF. Not enough shots to go around to make all three of them as effective as they could be, if we're talking about primes. T-Mac and Kobe both like to handle the ball alot, hell even Dirk needs the ball in his hands a good amount. All in all, just doesn't seem realistic. Kobe's ego is the size of everest and "throwing their egos to the wayside" is nice and all but can't see it happening... Assuming it did work, yea it would be great. But I see these three players operating in the same areas of the floor alot, idk.

Kobe's ego is the only thing that could derail that team...and I just don't think he'd pull any of that shit with Dirk. Maybe with T-Mac, but I doubt it honestly.

Dirk actually wouldn't need the ball much. He could just stretch the floor and give Kobe/T-Mac way more space to operate then they are used to.

And then could go to him more in the post when need be or the matchups dictate it.

The reason T-Mac and Kobe would work better than Lebron and Wade is that they can both actually shoot and play out of the post. You can't just leave them open.

It would be a better version overall of the Lebron/Wade/Bosh pairing...and if healthy there isn't a team from 05 through 11 that wouldn't be huge underdogs against them in a playoff series...assuming T-mac was still good.

But honestly...just pair Kobe and Dirk together and they'd rape the league with a decent supporting cast from 05 through 12.

[Lebron23]

Same numbers of championship as these guys.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-17lt8fn7g1s/TboZ62_A3hI/AAAAAAAAAwQ/pDiS3Z95tpc/s1600/finley-nowtizki-nasg.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0512/dal_g_antoine_200.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mba7mnbJIu1ruj0bpo1_500.jpg


But seriously this team has plenty of question marks. Do you think Kobe would sacrifice his stats, and his FG's attempts game in order to play with a shooting forward like Dirk and an injury prone Mcgrady?

[IncarceratedBob]

I dont think Dirk would be against be a 2 to Kobe's 1. The question is would T Mac in his prime accept being a 3.

[kNicKz]

LOL @ at this team coexisting peacefully ... There's only 1 ball!

Hey man goatbrook/KD/Harden went to the finals. surprised there weren't fistfights for the rock :roll:

[kNicKz]

Same numbers of championship as these guys.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-17lt8fn7g1s/TboZ62_A3hI/AAAAAAAAAwQ/pDiS3Z95tpc/s1600/finley-nowtizki-nasg.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0512/dal_g_antoine_200.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mba7mnbJIu1ruj0bpo1_500.jpg


But seriously this team has plenty of question marks. Do you think Kobe would sacrifice his stats, and his FG's attempts game in order to play with a shooting forward like Dirk and an injury prone Mcgrady?

What an awful post/poster

:yaohappy:

inb4 17 of his accounts neg me

[Magic 32]

All in all, just doesn't seem realistic. Kobe's ego is the size of everest and "throwing their egos to the wayside" is nice and all but can't see it happening




But seriously this team has plenty of question marks. Do you think Kobe would sacrifice his stats, and his FG's attempts game in order to play with a shooting forward like Dirk and an injury prone Mcgrady?

Kobe's ego amounted to this: I want to be the first option after 8 years in the league.

How is that worse than Lebron forming the "Big 3" and then hijacking the team for himself.

Wade and Bosh were just nicer than Shaq.

[IncarceratedBob]

Same numbers of championship as these guys.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-17lt8fn7g1s/TboZ62_A3hI/AAAAAAAAAwQ/pDiS3Z95tpc/s1600/finley-nowtizki-nasg.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0512/dal_g_antoine_200.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mba7mnbJIu1ruj0bpo1_500.jpg


But seriously this team has plenty of question marks. Do you think Kobe would sacrifice his stats, and his FG's attempts game in order to play with a shooting forward like Dirk and an injury prone Mcgrady?
Finley 1 ring
Dirk 1 ring
Walker 1 ring
Gasol 2 rings
MWP 1 ring
Kobe 5 rings

So they would win 11 rings? I dont think so, dont be such a Kobe homer:facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe's ego amounted to this: I want to be the first option after 8 years in the league.

How is that worse than Lebron forming the "Big 3" and then hijacking the team for himself.

Wade and Bosh were just nicer than Shaq.

Especially when the guy you're playing with is constantly telling you and other people that you'll never win without him.

I swear ni99as swear to god Shaq had no hand in how the chemistry crumbled on that squad.

[SCdac]

Kobe's ego is the only thing that could derail that team...and I just don't think he'd pull any of that shit with Dirk. Maybe with T-Mac, but I doubt it honestly.

Dirk actually wouldn't need the ball much. He could just stretch the floor and give Kobe/T-Mac way more space to operate then they are used to.

And then could go to him more in the post when need be or the matchups dictate it.

The reason T-Mac and Kobe would work better than Lebron and Wade is that they can both actually shoot and play out of the post. You can't just leave them open.

It would be a better version overall of the Lebron/Wade/Bosh pairing...and if healthy there isn't a team from 05 through 11 that wouldn't be huge underdogs against them in a playoff series...assuming T-mac was still good.

But honestly...just pair Kobe and Dirk together and they'd rape the league with a decent supporting cast from 05 through 12.

I just don't think Dirk would be the Dirk we all know and love to watch had he been relegated to a Robert Horry or Ryan Anderson kind of role (wouldn't grow and thrive the way he needed), and that's essentially what he'd be paired with prime Kobe and prime T-Mac (both of them vying for MVP's and personal accolades). Teams would fear him much less if Dirk didn't have opportunities to put the ball on the floor, post up in the midrange, handle the rock, and just be himself.

My point is this - these players are not the same players under this convoluted pairing. To me, it's like putting three sumo wrestlers in a elevator and asking them to perform an elaborate dance.

[Lebron23]

What an awful post/poster

:yaohappy:

inb4 17 of his accounts neg me

You are a piece of $hit. It depends if Shotjackbe would play team basketball the reason his two super teams (2004 and 2013 Lakers) failed to win because he played selfish basketball.

Back in 2009 and 2010 his played team ball in the regular season, and he get his teammates involved in their offense in the playoffs. His numbers were actually down in the regular season.




I only have 2 active accounts d1ckface.

[tmacattack33]

There's a high chance that one of these guys would have drove the other two out of town.

And there's also a high chance that one of them would be injury plagued throughout this whole time period.

So, eh, maybe 1 before they would have to dismantle it.

[HOoopCityJones]

There's a high chance that one of these guys would have drove the other two out of town.

This is a Myth.

Shaq asked for a contract he didn't deserve and got traded. That was all Jerry Buss's decision.

Dwight left on his own to play in the same exact system and role he claimed to hate playing in LA.

T-Mac doesn't get injured if he doesn't have to carry an entire team everynight.

[Lebron23]

I just don't think Dirk would be the Dirk we all know and love to watch had he been relegated to a Robert Horry or Ryan Anderson kind of role (wouldn't grow and thrive the way he needed), and that's essentially what he'd be paired with prime Kobe and prime T-Mac (both of them vying for MVP's and personal accolades). Teams would fear him much less if Dirk didn't have opportunities to put the ball on the floor, post up in the midrange, handle the rock, and just be himself.

My point is this - these players are not the same players under this convoluted pairing. To me, it's like putting three sumo wrestlers in a elevator and asking them to perform an elaborate dance.

Solid Posts bro. These guys needed the ball in their hands to be an effective NBA players.

A trio of 2004 Kobe, 2004 Garnett, and 2004 Allen would have been better because they have different roles.

[Magic 32]

I just don't think Dirk would be the Dirk we all know and love to watch had he been relegated to a Robert Horry or Ryan Anderson

or a Chris Bosh.

[Lebron23]

or a Chris Bosh.


Dirk >> Bosh.

[ArbitraryWater]

How long does TMac stay healthy?

Actually...doesn't really matter. Kobe and Dirk alone from 05 to present is raping the league. I'd say roughly 4 or 5 titles in those 9 years from 05 through 13 (assuming Kobe doesn't blow his achilles trying to carry a sorry roster....because by the 2nd half of the season last year Dirk was back to quality form and was healthy.

:lol You think they have a chance in 2013? :facepalm

lol.


I give them a chance to win 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, wait, simply every year to 2011 really. 2011 Kobe should take a back step though and not take/miss that many shots.. Dirk woulda carried his ass :pimp:

[ArbitraryWater]

Solid Posts bro. These guys needed the ball in their hands to be an effective NBA players.

A trio of 2004 Kobe, 2004 Garnett, and 2004 Allen would have been better because they have different roles.

This

[HOoopCityJones]

You guys are acting like Dirk is some crazy ballhandler who needs to dribble it out.

Throw the rock to him in the post or beyond the arc and it's money. He Ain't Bosh.

Other than that it's Kobe and TMac in the backcourt playing the two man game like Isiah and Dumars use to do on the Pistons.

[r0drig0lac]

they would win every year while the three in their primes, and probably even today if they had taking salary cuts would be competing as contenders

[HOoopCityJones]

I like how most is just writing off TMac as he'll be hurt.


TMac doesn't become injury prone playing next to solid contributors.

[RightToCensor]

Stopped reading at alpha. :facepalm

People on this site need to stop being followers. Start being leaders, guys on this site are getting pathetic and repetitive.

[HOoopCityJones]

Stopped reading at alpha. :facepalm

People on this site need to stop being followers. Start being leaders, guys on this site are getting pathetic and repetitive.

Ok.....? GTFO :biggums:

[ImKobe]

Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7...

[HOoopCityJones]

Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7...

Thinking about it now, they wouldn't of allowed these three to team up.

They would effectively rape the league and Win every year.

[riseagainst]

Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7...

not 8....

























points in the finals either.

[ImKobe]

Thinking about it now, they wouldn't of allowed these three to team up.

They would effectively rape the league and Win every year.

They each take 15 mil a year and get a bunch of vets to sign for less.

[G-Funk]

4 -5 Rings

[Lebron23]

You guys are acting like Dirk is some crazy ballhandler who needs to dribble it out.

Throw the rock to him in the post or beyond the arc and it's money. He's Ain't Bosh.

Other than that it's Kobe and TMac in the backcourt playing the two man game like Isiah and Dumars use to do on the Pistons.

It depends if Kobe will play team basketball. 2009 and 2010 lakers won back to back NBA titles because he played unselfish basketball. 2004 and 2013 failed to win because he played selfish basketball.

[HOoopCityJones]

I'm gonna say six.

Shit , I expect the Heat to win at least 4.

If this Team can't win at least 6 rings, then it's a bust.



It depends if Kobe will play team basketball. 2009 and 2010 lakers won back to back NBA titles because he played unselfish basketball. 2004 and 2013 failed to win because he played selfish basketball.


Yea yea, he doesn't pass.

Yet averaged 6.0 asst.

[ImKobe]

It depends if Kobe will play team basketball. 2009 and 2010 lakers won back to back NBA titles because he played unselfish basketball. 2004 and 2013 failed to win because he played selfish basketball.

2013? You do realize he averaged 6 assists a game (29,7 AST%) and averaged 7+ assists for the last 2 months and had 51 games with 5 or more assists, including 11 with double digit assists? wtf dude.

[freshperry]

How many more rings would they win if kobe replaced manu for the spurs dyansty? That is scary... with coach pop.

[Genaro]

Baring injuries or win fatigue, this team could win every year from 05-11 and maybe would be contenders nowdays

And I don't even think they need T Mac. Kobe went to 3 straight finals with Gasol, with Dirk on his team I think that is enought to win.

[moaz]

How many more rings would they win if kobe replaced manu for the spurs dyansty? That is scary... with coach pop.

I was just thinking about this scenario with Dirk instead of Kobe. I once had a thread about what a Duncan/Dirk team would look like and that was scary. Add Parker and Popowich and the other SA players from 2004-now and I would say at least 9 of the 10 possible rings :rockon: .

[freshperry]

I was just thinking about this scenario with Dirk instead of Kobe. I once had a thread about what a Duncan/Dirk team would look like and that was scary. Add Parker and Popowich and the other SA players from 2004-now and I would say at least 9 of the 10 possible rings :rockon: .

O man that would be ridiculously scary as well. I was just thinking of replacing kobe and manu because they both played SG and there were a couple threads a couple days ago about people overrating/underrating manu.

[ripthekik]

It depends if Kobe will play team basketball. 2009 and 2010 lakers won back to back NBA titles because he played unselfish basketball. 2004 and 2013 failed to win because he played selfish basketball.
2013?
Really?


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

:lol You think they have a chance in 2013? :facepalm

lol.


I give them a chance to win 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, wait, simply every year to 2011 really. 2011 Kobe should take a back step though and not take/miss that many shots.. Dirk woulda carried his ass :pimp:

Yes, if Kobe doesn't get hurt...after the all-star break last year Dirk had gotten back to form.

If Kobe is healthy going into the playoffs...a Kobe/Dirk combo with a solid supporting cast like Parker/Duncan have would be every bit as good or better than the Spurs.

[Cold soul]

4 to 5 rings at worst.

[DMAVS41]

I just don't think Dirk would be the Dirk we all know and love to watch had he been relegated to a Robert Horry or Ryan Anderson kind of role (wouldn't grow and thrive the way he needed), and that's essentially what he'd be paired with prime Kobe and prime T-Mac (both of them vying for MVP's and personal accolades). Teams would fear him much less if Dirk didn't have opportunities to put the ball on the floor, post up in the midrange, handle the rock, and just be himself.

My point is this - these players are not the same players under this convoluted pairing. To me, it's like putting three sumo wrestlers in a elevator and asking them to perform an elaborate dance.

People make way too big a deal of this. Dirk averaged 25/10/3 in the 03 season playing with Nash, Finley, and Van Exel taking roughly 43 shots a game between those three players. I mean...they won 60 games and could have easily won the title had Dirk not gone down. Not only that, but they had the best offense in the league and actually played decent defense. And that Dirk led team did that in the 03 season in a tougher defensive era...and that was pre prime Dirk honestly. And you think putting these 3 guys together in the softest era for perimeter defense ever is going to yield worse results? ROFL...Dirk was winning 60 games with ****ing Nash, Finley, Van Exel, Raef Lafrentz, Najera, and Bradley...LOL

Kobe and T-Mac are way better on both ends then all of those players obviously. They would rape the league from 05 through 11...and 12 and 13 are possiblities with health.

Kobe, T-Mac, and Dirk are all such great offensive players that they could have not only made it work, but been the best offensive "big three" in NBA history.

Dirk would get more than enough scoring opportunities and would have spaced out the floor tremendously and made it impossible to stop or double Kobe/T-mac consistently.

It would have been a true big 3...just them and role players. Similar to the Heat in 11...just better because of how much better Dirk is as a player than Bosh.

[BigTicket]

I'm going to go with none. Kobe and Tmac would never be able to co-exist on a team long enough to actually win a title. They'd start arguing, the team chemistry would be gone, and they would lose in the playoffs. Basically a repeat of the 04 Lakers.

[HOoopCityJones]

I'm going to go with none. Kobe and Tmac would never be able to co-exist on a team long enough to actually win a title. They'd start arguing, the team chemistry would be gone, and they would lose in the playoffs. Basically a repeat of the 04 Lakers.

Where do you people get this shit?

Kobe had beef with Shaq, say that with me: Shaq.

Why you guys try to project that rivalry on anyone he plays with i'll never understand.

[SCdac]

Eh, it's unrealistic. the Mavs were a run and gun team, high octane offense, that's why it worked (and didn't work).

The Heat big 3 were at different stages of their careers when they joined, Wade had "gotten his" already, and Bosh was never as good as any of the 3 players in this thread title so it probably wasn't tough to transition.

For reference, here's their FGA's and other stats in 05:

T-Mac --- 21.3 FGA / 5.6 three attempts / 31.2 usage-%
Kobe ---- 20.1 FGA / 5.9 three attempts / 31.7 usage-%
Dirk ---- 18.5 FGA / 2.9 three attempts / 28.7 usage-%

Those are high usage-%'s... and rightly so... All of those guys need the ball in their hands aka. need to be a part of most plays. It's what makes them great, not standing around spotting up or running off screen ala Rip Hamilton.

They'd be a team that launches three's, steps on each others toes, gets congested in the midrange, and constantly battles for top dog IMO. With Kobe being the most aggressive, as he had just ditched Shaq, and T-MAC was a great point-forward but with Kobe around I don't think he can do his thing. Dirk may average ~15 FGA, close to his pre-AS days.

[kenny817]

T-mac was a lazy player. He wasn't a hard worker. Dirk still wasn't a mentally tough player. Kobe still was a headcase. This would underachieve. Hell we seen what Kobe did with Dwight and Nash:roll:

F*ck outta here...stupid noob

[tmacattack33]

This is a Myth.

Shaq asked for a contract he didn't deserve and got traded. That was all Jerry Buss's decision.

Dwight left on his own to play in the same exact system and role he claimed to hate playing in LA.

T-Mac doesn't get injured if he doesn't have to carry an entire team everynight.

I wasn't even talking about Shaq.

[HOoopCityJones]

I wasn't even talking about Shaq.

Then whats your point? Outside of the Shaq feud and Dwightmare, Kobe is a great Teammate, ask Gasol.

[MavsPoke]

I just came thinking about a Dirk/Kobe pick-and-roll.

[DMAVS41]

Eh, it's unrealistic. the Mavs were a run and gun team, high octane offense, that's why it worked (and didn't work).

The Heat big 3 were at different stages of their careers when they joined, Wade had "gotten his" already, and Bosh was never as good as any of the 3 players in this thread title so it probably wasn't tough to transition.

For reference, here's their FGA's and other stats in 05:

T-Mac --- 21.3 FGA / 5.6 three attempts / 31.2 usage-%
Kobe ---- 20.1 FGA / 5.9 three attempts / 31.7 usage-%
Dirk ---- 18.5 FGA / 2.9 three attempts / 28.7 usage-%

Those are high usage-%'s... and rightly so... All of those guys need the ball in their hands aka. need to be a part of most plays. It's what makes them great, not standing around spotting up or running off screen ala Rip Hamilton.

They'd be a team that launches three's, steps on each others toes, gets congested in the midrange, and constantly battles for top dog IMO. With Kobe being the most aggressive, as he had just ditched Shaq, and T-MAC was a great point-forward but with Kobe around I don't think he can do his thing. Dirk may average ~15 FGA, close to his pre-AS days.

Nah...you are just wrong.

It worked great in 03. Best offense and top 10 defense. Definitely the 2nd best team in the league and perhaps the best when healthy.

Seriously...what the **** are you talking about? They had a horrid defensive lineup on paper and terrible centers to boot. Nash and Finley were horrid defensively as well.

Put Kobe, T-Mac, and Dirk together and you are going to get somewhere around 55 shots between them...which is actually less than Nash, Finley, Dirk, and Van Exel combined for.

Dirk would have no problem taking roughly 16 shots a game and Kobe and T-Mac combining for roughly 40 would be fine.

There is no reason to think that it wouldn't work...especially when it's infinitely better on paper defensively than the 03 Mavs. Oh, and the 03 Mavs only played at the 7th fastest pace in the league...LOL

What type of offense do you think this team would play? They could play any style they wanted...they'd be great in the half court and they will be killer in transition. It's just a much better version than the Heat big 3 honestly. All of these guys can play off the ball and impact the defense. You aren't scared of Wade spotting up. Bosh can't take over games consistently in the post. Lebron doesn't have the range Kobe does...etc.

Seriously...imagine the Dirk/Kobe pick and roll...how are you stopping that with T-Mac on the court? And vice versa?

Teams would have to give wide open shots up consistently.

[DMAVS41]

I just came thinking about a Dirk/Kobe pick-and-roll.

I know...it's hilarious.

Love hearing Spurs fans talk about how the Mavs "didn't work"...when we beat them in 06 and at worst take them to 7 with a healthy Dirk in 03...with a team of ****ing Nash, Finley, Van Exel, and Dirk...but somehow they're going to get worse with Kobe, T-Mac, and Dirk

:roll:

[longtime lurker]

I think they 3 peat for sure, but anything after that egos and money sets in(I'm looking at you T-mac). But they compliment each other almost flawlessly. T-mac wasn't suit out to be the man and Dirk is a dude that can be alpha when needed.

[NumberSix]

People actually arguing that Kobe would win MORE with Dirk than he did with Shaq?:rolleyes:

[HOoopCityJones]

People actually arguing that Kobe would win MORE with Dirk than he did with Shaq?:rolleyes:

With Tmac on the side? Yup.

[Legends66NBA7]

Some of you are naive thinking this wouldn't work. What would be the problem ? I don't see Bryant having any problems with the likes of McGrady and Nowitzki. Both those guys have said praises about the man and vice versa. No rivalry would get in the way.

All 3, especially Bryant and McGrady, can pass the ball. They are all tough covers for any defensive team, due to their length and range. And if it came down a close game ? Pick your poison.

[TheGreatDeraj]

That would be an incredible trio to watch.

They would still need a C to rebound and protect the paint as well as a pg that could knock down the 3 and play defense.