05-07 Kobe vs. current Durant

[Andrew Wiggins]

Kobe for me, not as efficient as Durant but played much better defense and scored just as many/more points on a higher degree of difficulty

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe > Durant

Durant with that stacked team

[SamuraiSWISH]

Answer is Kobe. Durant's team is better, and in a weaker talented league. Kobe had higher volume, more impressive volume scoring games and didn't get sent to the line on touch calls or rip through moves constantly to pad his PPG production.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe had ten 50 pt games in 2007 alone, which is more than Durant has for his career thus far.

Kobe also had eighteen 40 pt games & two 60 pt games in 2007. including four 50pt games in a row.

Kobe had forty-five 40 pt games between 06 & 07

What Durant is doing is amazing tho.

[HOoopCityJones]

Prime Kobe surpasses all except Jordan.

[Thunderfan86]

Kobe.....but so what? :oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Prime Kobe surpasses all except Jordan.
Wade had a better prime

[HOoopCityJones]

Wade had a better prime

Never.

[KD35willbeGOAT]

Kobe had ten 50 pt games in 2007 alone, which is more than Durant has for his career thus far.

Kobe also had eighteen 40 pt games & two 60 pt games in 2007. including four 50pt games in a row.

What Durant is doing is amazing tho.

Yes but don't you think KD has the potential to break all those records? I mean, KD is on a team contending for the top seed in the West, so the situation is not really comparable.

[Heavincent]

Durant is being carried by Perkins.

[Jacks3]

The answer is Durant. He's been MUCH more efficient.

But 05-07 Kobe was ****ing ridiculous.

Dude ****ing AVERAGED 34/6/5/2/57% TS with 46 40+ pt games and 18 50+ pt games during that two year stretch. He had 10 50+ pt games in a single season. 4 different 60+ point games including 81 pts. Crazy stuff.

:eek:

[KG215]

Kobe for me, not as efficient as Durant but played much better defense and scored just as many/more points on a higher degree of difficulty
Are you purposely being stupid or does it come naturally?

[Jacks3]

Wade had a better prime
:oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yes but don't you think KD has the potential to break all those records? I mean, KD is on a team contending for the top seed in the West, so the situation is not really comparable.

yes


so the situation is not really comparable

that's exactly what this thread is asking

[Cold soul]

Kobe by good margin.

[HOoopCityJones]

Are you purposely being stupid or does it come naturally?

Durant plays better D than Kobe?

[KG215]

Answer is Kobe. Durant's team is better, and in a weaker talented league. Kobe had higher volume, more impressive volume scoring games and didn't get sent to the line on touch calls or rip through moves constantly to pad his PPG production.
It might help if you'd actually watch some of these games he's having without Westbrook. Not saying he's been better than the absurdly great tear Kobe went on in 2006 and 2007, but he's having games where he's scoring on supreme efficiency and at a very high volume without an absurd amount of FTs.

[navy]

Kobe. Although Durant is more leading his team then what Kobe was doing. Chucking.

[KG215]

Durant plays better D than Kobe?
This version of Durant compared to 2006 and 2007 Kobe? I'd say it's at the very least comparable, if not in Durant's favor. That version of Kobe wasn't a good defender, and it's understandable given how little help he had and the insane load he had to carry on offense.

[JohnFreeman]

:oldlol:
Laugh it off stan

[Andrew Wiggins]

Are you purposely being stupid or does it come naturally?

lmao, mature response and reasoning. what got your panties in a bunch that you had to resort to name calling?

how many all defensive first or second teams has durant made?

[JohnFreeman]

Durants defense? Yeah he shut down Chalmers in the finals :roll:

[Jacks3]

Laugh it off stan
Ok. I will. :oldlol:

[KG215]

lmao, mature response and reasoning. what got your panties in a bunch that you had to resort to name calling?

how many all defensive first or second teams has durant made?
Kobe's defense in those given seasons was noting special and right now Durant is a damn good defender. I apologize for the immature response but saying 2005-2007 Kobe as a "much" better defender than current Durant is laughable.

[juju151111]

Answer is Kobe. Durant's team is better, and in a weaker talented league. Kobe had higher volume, more impressive volume scoring games and didn't get sent to the line on touch calls or rip through moves constantly to pad his PPG production.
Didn't you in the other thread say 06 was weak because of the rule changes? 06 isn't impressive stop it.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe's defense in those given seasons was noting special and right now Durant is a damn good defender. I apologize for the immature response but saying 2005-2007 Kobe as a "much" better defender than current Durant is laughable.

:lol

[moe94]

Ok. I will. :oldlol:

Wade was better and had better stats. :oldlol:

[KG215]

Durants defense? Yeah he shut down Chalmers in the finals :roll:
Wasn't aware we were comparing 2012 Durant to 2005-2007 Kobe. Pretty sure the thread title says current Durant.

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe's defense in those given seasons was noting special and right now Durant is a damn good defender. I apologize for the immature response but saying 2005-2007 Kobe as a "much" better defender than current Durant is laughable.
:facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

Wade was better and had better stats. :oldlol:

Wade sniffs Kobe's jock strap bro.

[Will10]

Are you purposely being stupid or does it come naturally?
Kobe has 12 All-Defensive Team selections 9 of them being first team and two of them coming in 06 and 07 Durant has 0

[Magic 32]

I think Durant is more like 2001 Kobe right now.

With a better shot.

http://s22.postimg.org/mlppk0yrl/Nyt_billede_1.png

147 pts
88 shots
60 FG%

[JohnFreeman]

Wade sniffs Kobe's jock strap bro.
Stan tinted glasses

[moe94]

Wade sniffs Kobe's jock strap bro.

Stop projecting your fantasies onto basketball players.

[Jacks3]

Wade was better and had better stats. :oldlol:
No. Wade was never as dominant as 05-07 bryant. nicca can't even shoot past 15 feet and you think he was better than a dude who ****ing averaged 34/6/5/2??

get the **** outta here!

:oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe has 12 All-Defensive Team selections 9 of them being first team and two of them coming in 06 and 07 Durant has 0
Wade should have a couple of those defensive teams

[215Philly]

Who got the empty stats?

[JebronLames]

Durant by wide margins.

[moe94]

No. Wade was never as dominant as 05-07 bryant. nicca can't even shoot past 15 feet and you think he was better than a dude who ****ing averaged 34/6/5/2??

get the **** outta here!

:oldlol:

09 Wade > 06 Kobe

Do Kobe stans only look at PPG and call it a night? Christ.

[T_L_P]

Kobe has 12 All-Defensive Team selections 9 of them being first team and two of them coming in 06 and 07 Durant has 0

Phil Jackson, the guy who coached Kobe pretty much his whole career, said he got a good amount of those selections based on name recognition.


Prime Kobe surpasses all except Jordan.

So wait, you think the 2003 Spurs were more stacked than the 2010 Lakers, and Kobe had the second greatest prime of all-time?

:facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

Stan tinted glasses

Not even man, he may have better stats AKA more "Efficent" , but that's because Kobe takes way more difficult shots than all of these pansies , who mainly live around the basket.

Wade is a terrible shooter and barley a better defender, but only because he cherry picks.

Coupled with Kobe's footwork, skill ,work ethic and longevity and i'll take Kobe Bean Bryant 10/10. Screw the stan BS , that's just how I feel.

Wade wasn't even better last year.

[juju151111]

Kobe has 12 All-Defensive Team selections 9 of them being first team and two of them coming in 06 and 07 Durant has 0
Who cares the question is if he plays defense which Durant since 2012 does. Every stat shows it.

[JohnFreeman]

Phil Jackson, the guy who coached Kobe pretty much his whole career, said he got all those selections solely off of name recognition.
Wade deserves half of those

[KG215]

Kobe has 12 All-Defensive Team selections 9 of them being first team and two of them coming in 06 and 07 Durant has 0
I don't give a shit. I'm sure everything (eye tests, raw stats, advanced stats, etc.) would show you current Durant is, at the very least, as good of a defender as 2005-2007 Kobe, if not better.

[fpliii]

I think Kobe was the same player in those three seasons as he was in 07-08, and possibly 08-09. He just had a legitimate second option, more defensive intensity/effort, and perhaps a better attitude.

Working out with Grover (starting summer of 07) also helped him out.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Stop projecting your fantasies onto basketball players.

:oldlol:

[T_L_P]

Wade deserves half of those

Wade's defense in his prime was one of the signatures of his game.

Phil said post 05 Kobe screwed his team on D :lol

[PJR]

Do Kobe stans only look at PPG and call it a night? Christ.

Pretty much.

[Boarder Patrol]

Kobe, pretty close but Durant hasn't sustained anything near what Kobe did for that long. Kobe's scoring those years was just ridiculous.

[HOoopCityJones]

I'm not gonna disregard a players PPG just because you guys rather see some cat shy away from the moment when he's on.

[moe94]

I'm not gonna disregard a players PPG just because you guys rather see some cat shy away from the moment when he's on.

Kobe career PPG: 25.5 on 45% shooting
Wade career PPG: 24.5 on 49% shooting


Kobe career playoffs PPG: 26 on 45% shooting
Wade career playoffs PPG: 24 on 48% shooting

Kobe is so damn superior. It's almost weird how much better he is.

[fpliii]

Kobe career PPG: 25.5 on 45% shooting
Wade career PPG: 24.5 on 49% shooting


Kobe career playoffs PPG: 26 on 45% shooting
Wade career playoffs PPG: 24 on 48% shooting

Kobe is so damn superior. It's almost weird how much better he is.
Congrats on 5000 posts dude.

[moe94]

Congrats on 5000 posts dude.

Nothing to be proud of, but thanks.

[T_L_P]

I'm not gonna disregard a players PPG just because you guys rather see some cat shy away from the moment when he's on.


You just said Kobe had the second greatest prime of all-time.

I don't think anything you say about Kobe can be credible.

[fpliii]

Nothing to be proud of, but thanks.
True. You're a good poster though, so I felt like shouting out. This board has gotten pretty brutal recently, between April 13 and Jan 14.

[Jacks3]

09 Wade > 06 Kobe

Do Kobe stans only look at PPG and call it a night? Christ.
03, 06, 07, 08 Kobe> 09 Wade

lol. 09 wade wasn't even better than kobe that season.

:oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe career PPG: 25.5 on 45% shooting
Wade career PPG: 24.5 on 49% shooting


Kobe career playoffs PPG: 26 on 45% shooting
Wade career playoffs PPG: 24 on 48% shooting

Kobe is so damn superior. It's almost weird how much better he is.

What part of Wade lives around the basket don't you understand?

You guys love to spout this percentage BS like it's shiny armor without even taking context into consideration.

Kobe Bryant takes some of the most difficult shots Ive ever seen, always on the opposing Team's best defender, he can score this way or in the way these layup and dunk boys do too, but he chooses to operate from the post and beyond the arc.

Answer me this , is Wade a better shooter than Kobe?

[moe94]

What part of Wade lives around the basket don't you understand?

You guys love to spout this percentage BS like it's shiny armor without even taking context into consideration.

Kobe Bryant takes some of the most difficult shots Ive ever seen, always on the opposing Team's best defender, he can score this way or in the way these layup and dunk boys do too, but he chooses to operate from the post and beyond the arc.

Answer me this , is Wade a better shooter than Kobe?

That means absolutely nothing. It means very little how you get your points as long as you get your points. You're actually using this argument? :roll:

Tell me, friend, who is a better player between peak Shaq and peak Duncan?

You're confusing production with aesthetics and most Kobe stans do this, but when they do it, I assume they're trolling because how can any rational person be this out of touch with reality?

I won't even respond to the other stan as he's not even trying to support himself. You're more respectable.

[HOoopCityJones]

That means absolutely nothing. It means very little how you get your points as long as you get your points. You're actually using this argument? :roll:

Tell me, friend, who is a better player between peak Shaq and peak Duncan?

You're confusing production with aesthetics and most Kobe stans do this, but when they do it, I assume they're trolling because how can any rational person be this out of touch with reality?

I won't even respond to the other stan as he's not even trying to support himself. You're more respectable.

Just answer the question.


Is Wade a better shooter than Kobe?

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2006/

one of the best scoring seasons..ever

35 games of 5+ assist or more as well

41 games of 2+ steals

[moe94]

Just answer the question.


Is Wade a better shooter than Kobe?

I take that back, you're worse than he is. The fact that you think this is an argument is embarrassing. :oldlol:

Have fun as you've clearly won this debate.

[HOoopCityJones]

I take that back, you're worse than he is. The fact that you think this is an argument is embarrassing. :oldlol:

Have fun as you've clearly won this debate.

Is it that hard for you to hop off the FG% wagon?

Who's the better shooter?

[Jacks3]

I won't even respond to the other stan as he's not even trying to support himself. You're more respectable.
haha what a bitch.

[MadSolar]

Kobe career PPG: 25.5 on 45% shooting
Wade career PPG: 24.5 on 49% shooting


Kobe career playoffs PPG: 26 on 45% shooting
Wade career playoffs PPG: 24 on 48% shooting

Kobe is so damn superior. It's almost weird how much better he is.
Now show us Kobe Bryants Career PPG as a starter vs Wade for both playoff and regular season. I'd like to see that.

[Magic 32]

Kobe career PPG: 25.5 on 45% shooting
Wade career PPG: 24.5 on 49% shooting


Kobe career playoffs PPG: 26 on 45% shooting
Wade career playoffs PPG: 24 on 48% shooting

Kobe is so damn superior. It's almost weird how much better he is.

as starters?

[MadSolar]

Now show us Kobe Bryants Career PPG as a starter vs Wade for both playoff and regular season. I'd like to see that.

Nothing Moe? Well I'm pretty sure its more than 24 PPG since he started the year 1999-2000 season. other than 2013 I don't think he averaged under 24 PPG once but I could be wrong. As for the playoffs I believe it should be around 27-28 PPG or more as a Career starter. But if someone can please post Kobes Career PPG as a starter for both playoffs and reg please.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

So let me get this straight, Kobe fanboys want to pick and choose which years are used for statistical comparison.
Kobe has a better shot than Wade, but Wade is a more intelligent shot taker, which levels the playing field. That's just my opinion though.
And give me KD over Kobe, without much thought.

[MadSolar]

So let me get this straight, Kobe fanboys want to pick and choose which years are used for statistical comparison.
Kobe has a better shot than Wade, but Wade is a more intelligent shot taker, which levels the playing field. That's just my opinion though.
And give me KD over Kobe, without much thought.
Even if you include the three years Kobe came off the bench he still beats Wades Career but if you only include Kobe as a starter vs Wade it completey destroys wade.
Durant is playing like the best basketball player this season so far and seems he has no weakness in his game. Id take him too

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

what kobe did in 05-06 makes durant looks like child play. but do give durant credit.... it's just time era difference and social media which makes durant seem much more accomplishing.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Even if you include the three years Kobe came off the bench
He came off the bench 2x years.


he still beats Wades Career but if you only include Kobe as a starter vs Wade it completey destroys wade.
Destroys? Kobe as a starter scored 2 more ppg, and Wade averaged 1 more apg. Careers as it stands, both 25 ppg career scorers, with Wade having the advantage in the apg column, as well as FG %.

[Indian guy]

As scorers, Durant's edge in efficiency is simply too massive for Kobe's higher volume to make up for it. Then you get down to things like rebounding, assists, defense, team record, advances stats.....it's Durant, handily for the most part. He's having one of the all time great seasons.

[knicksman]

durant is a combination of 05-07 and 08-10 kobe. He doesnt put up the effort like kobe does during 8-10 kobe but putting numbers as good as 05-07 kobe

[plowking]

Even with his below average defense, KD is a better player than Kobe was.
Too big a mismatch, too good a shooter, and just as good a scorer.

[Aussie_86]

Durant is being carried by Perkins.
lol that made me laugh well done... Durant has been ridiculous last couple weeks to state the obvious. The double team on him at the end of the game when he just pulls up and drains the 3 shows how ridiculous he is when on fire. But kobe back then was prime kobe so he is >. Was kobe's team in that era really that bad? only ask as most are saying durants team now is far superiour

[ArbitraryWater]

as starters?

Around the same percentages, but Kobe at the 27 something mark..

[Budadiiii]

Even with his below average defense, KD is a better player than Kobe was.
Too big a mismatch, too good a shooter, and just as good a scorer.
He doesn't have below average D. What a stupid ****ing thing to say.

Clearly don't watch Durant and just talking out of your ass.

[Doctor Rivers]

Kobe

[havoc33]

Kobe.

And please let us see how this season ends before we start crowning it as one of the best ever. Durant is hot as hell right now, but it won't last forever. Kobe was always way more streaky though (coupled with his tendency to take difficult shots), so that works in Durants advantage.

[KG215]

Even with his below average defense, KD is a better player than Kobe was.
Too big a mismatch, too good a shooter, and just as good a scorer.
Durant's not a below average defender. He's a good defender.

[CeilingFan#1]

Prime Kobe surpasses all except Jordan.

How do you live in the LA area and not know prime Shaq was better than Kobe?

[T_L_P]

How do you live in the LA area and not know prime Shaq was better than Kobe?

And at least 5-6 other players (not necessarily in LA).

[KG215]

lmao, mature response and reasoning. what got your panties in a bunch that you had to resort to name calling?

how many all defensive first or second teams has durant made?


Kobe has 12 All-Defensive Team selections 9 of them being first team and two of them coming in 06 and 07 Durant has 0

I'd still like to hear the reasoning behind why Kobe was a "much" better or even just better at all defensively from 2005-2007 than current Durant other than his reputation based All-Defensive selections.

[ImKobe]

05-07 Kobe is probably the best perimeter scorer except for MJ.

[ImKobe]

I'd still like to hear the reasoning behind why Kobe was a "much" better or even just better at all defensively from 2005-2007 than current Durant other than his reputation based All-Defensive selections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglEL2GLnAU

[HOoopCityJones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglEL2GLnAU

:roll: How quick these foos forget.

[KG215]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglEL2GLnAU
Is that strictly 2005-2007 Kobe? Never mind that it's a highlight video which really tells me nothing.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe wasn't good in 05...so I'm assuming that part of it is a typo.

06 and 07 Kobe vs current Durant is a good debate. I actually think Durant is the better defender, but there is no impact difference between the two defensively most likely...using defense to separate them makes no sense. Both were solid defenders, but didnt' really impact the game defensively at all.

In a vacuum I'd take Kobe ever so slightly, but we all must factor in the fact that the rules, especially in 06, were a complete joke even compared to what they are now.

Really close...two of the best offensive players of all time on fire. Give me Kobe, but that could change any day now.

[KG215]

Kobe wasn't good in 05...so I'm assuming that part of it is a typo.

06 and 07 Kobe vs current Durant is a good debate. I actually think Durant is the better defender, but there is no impact difference between the two defensively most likely...using defense to separate them makes no sense. Both were solid defenders, but didnt' really impact the game defensively at all.

In a vacuum I'd take Kobe ever so slightly, but we all must factor in the fact that the rules, especially in 06, were a complete joke even compared to what they are now.

Really close...two of the best offensive players of all time on fire. Give me Kobe, but that could change any day now.
Thank you. Although, I do think if you looked at the numbers (mostly RAPM and synergy stats) Durant probably grades out as a plus impact defender this year as he did last year. If someone wants to argue that over the course of their entire careers Kobe's best defensively was better than Durant's, fine, I don't have much a problem with that. But the people acting like 2006 and 2007 Kobe was a defensive stalwart and that's what separates him from current Durant? Get the f**k out.

[tmacattack33]

Kobe for me, not as efficient as Durant but played much better defense and scored just as many/more points on a higher degree of difficulty

So you have two points in favor of Kobe (1. defense 2. he scored just as much on a higher degree of difficulty). :applause:

And one of them is totally irrelevant. :facepalm

[Andrew Wiggins]

I'd still like to hear the reasoning behind why Kobe was a "much" better or even just better at all defensively from 2005-2007 than current Durant other than his reputation based All-Defensive selections.

maybe if you posed this question to begin with rather than replying straight away with an insult, you'd get a cogent response

[Andrew Wiggins]

So you have two points in favor of Kobe (1. defense 2. he scored just as much on a higher degree of difficulty). :applause:

And one of them is totally irrelevant. :facepalm

how is degree of difficulty irrelevant? the ability to score extremely difficult shots is a very handy skill in crunch time, especially in the playoffs