Why isnt anyone calling for Joe Dumars to be fired?

[sfballa13]

Forget Darko. Forget the Iverson trade. Forget all the other terrible draft choices and trades (trading away Amir Johnson, Afflalo for literally nothing). All those reasons are enough evidence for the firing of Dumars ALONE!

But the 2004 championship, 2005 finals appearance, and six straight ECF appearances all give Dumars a pass for this.

Ill accept that. So what has he done to deserve getting fired now?

Hiring terrible coaches: Kuester and Curry, Frank and Cheeks

Putting together one of the most useless and expensive benches in NBA History: Bynum (3M), Jerebko (4.5M), Charlie V (8M), Datome (2M), Billups (2.5M) --- that's 20M of salary that literally doesnt see the floor except for Bynum occasionally. Note I didnt include Stuckey's 8M, putting our bench's total salary at a staggering 28M, bc he is playing his assss off since it's his contract year but he was playing like trash last season so you can choose to include his contract if ud like.

Trading away a first rounder that wasnt completely top ten protected in order to clear cap (dump Ben Gordon another terrible Joe D signing at 11M) and go after Josh Smith (13.5M).

Signing players at a position that is already filled. Example: trading for Iverson after resigning Rip to a lucrative extension. Having Monroe on a rookie deal that is about to expire and instead of running him with Drummond sign Smith to fcuk that up completely.

Then trading Brandon Knight (another failed lottery pick by Dumars) and Middleton (another player tossed away for nothing) in order to pay Jennings 7M.

So Dumars gives up a draft pick in one of the deepest drafts in memory, then adds 20M in salary to his already bloated shiit roster and the end result: A record that is ONE WIN better than last season.

Wait, what?!?!?!?!? No, that can't be right. Actually yes it is!

Yep, that's right. In one of the worst years of basketball in NBA history for the East, literally there are only 2 good teams Indiana and Miami, the Pistons are only able to increase their win total by 1 WIN and thats after adding Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, and in a sense adding Andre Drummond, who barely played at all last season (which is like adding a young big man starter who is putting up 13/13).

Pathetic.

This story should be all over the NBA's media outlets. It even tops the ineptitude of the Knicks, Lakers, and even the Nets.

Get Dumars out so we can return some pride and respect to the Detroit Pistons.

[Big One]

Cool story, bro.

[buddha]

I didn't know the Pistons had fans.

[dilley]

Because most of us forgot the Pistons existed until you made this thread.

[RightToCensor]

What's a piston?

[oarabbus]

Because most of us forgot the Pistons existed until you made this thread.
:lol

I'm still not exactly sure who they are.

[RIP CITY]

Because no one outside of Detroit cares about the Pistons, or any Detroit sports team for that matter. Even when our teams are doing great no one really cares outside of Michigan. Not sure of all the reasons why that is but I assume the reputation of the City of Detroit itself is part of the reason.

We also haven't had many flashy Superstars over the years, pretty much just Isiah Thomas and Grant Hill for the Pistons. Allen Iverson gave us a media boost for like 15 minutes but then his career imploded and that ended.

The Knicks, Nets and Lakers play in New York and Los Angeles, those are media epicenters that create a buzz on their own even when the teams aren't good. Detroit, even Michigan in general just doesn't have that cachet, not even with the Pistons having a pretty substantial tradition in NBA History.

In Michigan, amongst our fans there is plenty of people calling for JoeMars to be fired. Myself included. I defended him for a long time because of our long run of success from 2002 to 2008 but his time has run out in my mind, you can only live off of that for so long. The Pistons have been floundering for too long now and he's made alot of questionable decisions, basically ever since 2006. He's had a few bright spots here and there, mainly Andre Drummond but overall he just seems to have lost that magic touch he had in the beginning.

It's time to move on, start over. Fire JoeMars, Fire Cheeks, dump a bunch of players from this roster (especially Josh Smith) and start over building around Drummond.

But nationally, no Detroit Sports team will ever be big news in the National media. Unless one of the 3 major sports teams in Detroit (NFL/NBA/MLB) begin to actually have a real Dynasty to talk about, then they will have no choice. But otherwise, any Michigan sports team will always be on the back burner of the National scene.

[RightToCensor]

Because no one outside of Detroit cares about the Pistons, or any Detroit sports team for that matter. Even when our teams are doing great no one really cares outside of Michigan. Not sure of all the reasons why that is but I assume the reputation of the City of Detroit itself is part of the reason.

We also haven't had many flashy Superstars over the years, pretty much just Isiah Thomas and Grant Hill for the Pistons. Allen Iverson gave us a media boost for like 15 minutes but then his career imploded and that ended.

The Knicks, Nets and Lakers play in New York and Los Angeles, those are media epicenters that create a buzz on their own even when the teams aren't good. Detroit, even Michigan in general just doesn't have that cachet, not even with the Pistons having a pretty substantial tradition in NBA History.

In Michigan, amongst our fans there is plenty of people calling for JoeMars to be fired. Myself included. I defended him for a long time because of our long run of success from 2002 to 2008 but his time has run out in my mind, you can only live off of that for so long. The Pistons have been floundering for too long now and he's made alot of questionable decisions, basically ever since 2006. He's had a few bright spots here and there, mainly Andre Drummond but overall he just seems to have lost that magic touch he had in the beginning.

It's time to move on, start over. Fire JoeMars, Fire Cheeks, dump a bunch of players from this roster (especially Josh Smith) and start over building around Drummond.

But nationally, no Detroit Sports team will ever be big news in the National media. Unless one of the 3 major sports teams in Detroit (NFL/NBA/MLB) begin to actually have a real Dynasty to talk about, then they will have no choice. But otherwise, any Michigan sports team will always be on the back burner of the National scene.
600 posts... Dat Pistons Nation. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AnaheimLakers24]

What's a piston?
A horse

[RIP CITY]

600 posts... Dat Pistons Nation. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Not sure what my post count has to do with anything.

[sfballa13]

What's a piston?

When was the last time the Houston Rockets were relevant?

Oh yeh that's right when Michael Jordan retired.

Besides that the Rockets have been nothing but an organization full of failure and embarrassment.

Holler at me the next time your team goes to 6 straight ECF, oh that's right your team hasnt been out of the 2nd round in decades.

Good luck with D-Howard, you wont be winning anything anytime soon with that clown.

Even with Harden and Dwight your team is still a joke and managed to score the least amount of points in a HALF in the last 30 years.

Keep up the great work!

[Smook A.]

When was the last time the Houston Rockets were relevant?

Oh yeh that's right when Michael Jordan retired.

Besides that the Rockets have been nothing but an organization full of failure and embarrassment.

Holler at me the next time your team goes to 6 straight ECF, oh that's right your team hasnt been out of the 2nd round in decades.

Good luck with D-Howard, you wont be winning anything anytime soon with that clown.

Even with Harden and Dwight your team is still a joke and managed to score the least amount of points in a HALF in the last 30 years.

Keep up the great work!
we're 28-15 bro. Better record than the warriors and 5 games away from being the 1st seed. And btw we can't go to the ECF if we're in the West. LoL

[Lebron23]

Who's gonna replace him??

[BlazerRed]

Not sure what my post count has to do with anything.
It doesn't, but that RightToCensor clown is exactly the problem with this forum. Some guy makes a legit basketball thread with information backing up his statement, someone responds intelligently then some semi-retarded joker starts trolling for no good reason and ruins the thread.

[imdaman99]

600 posts... Dat Pistons Nation. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
You gonna make fun of somebody because they have a life and you don't? :wtf:

[RightToCensor]

You gonna make fun of somebody because they have a life and you don't? :wtf:
10,000... please don't talk about someone having a life.

Seriously, the dumbness of the Knicks is spreading to their stans.

[bdreason]

I actually think it's kind of crazy he hasn't been fired yet. Are they still selling the team or? I remember reading the team was gonna wait until the team was sold to possibly bring in a new GM.

[JohnMax]

Detroit fans are pissed he didnt draft Trey Burke who played for Michigan in college

[imdaman99]

10,000... please don't talk about someone having a life.

Seriously, the dumbness of the Knicks is spreading to their stans.
Stupid troll posts 30+ a day. Go outside and maybe Houston wouldn't be known as the fattest city in the US. Dumbass and you still need a life :roll:

[RIP CITY]

I actually think it's kind of crazy he hasn't been fired yet. Are they still selling the team or? I remember reading the team was gonna wait until the team was sold to possibly bring in a new GM.

Tom Gores bought the team in 2011, he kept JoeMars on as GM. But unless this team makes a trade or magically goes on a winning streak to move up the Eastern Conference ranks I think this will be JoeMars' final season as GM of the Pistons.

[Darius]

Good point.

He has consistently been one of the worse GMs.

It can be argued the championship team was somewhat luck as that type of team has never won a championship before (or since).

[boozehound]

600 posts... Dat Pistons Nation. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
why are all texans such giant cuntwhores? Having spent a decade in texas, I can verify that this is unquestionably true.

People repeatedly have called for Joe to be fired, since the wheels went off 4? years ago. I guess 5 at this point. He was given a pass because of the ownership BS (supposedly he couldnt trade or do anything to impact the team value after Bill died and before they were sold).

Dude is a solid drafter, but he sucks at free agency and at evaluating head coaching prospects. Time for a change.

[boozehound]

Good point.

He has consistently been one of the worse GMs.

It can be argued the championship team was somewhat luck as that type of team has never won a championship before (or since).
luck always plays a role, but you dont go to 6 straight conference finals based just on luck. He made some smart gambles and they paid off.

[SexSymbol]

What's a piston to a laker

[tontoz]

The Smith/Jennings signings were just horrible. I was like wtf. He seems to make good use of his draft picks though.

He probably should be fired but i would take him over Grunfeld, with a sub-40% winning percentage over a decade.

[Crown&Coke]

The Smith/Jennings signings were just horrible. I was like wtf. He seems to make good use of his draft picks though.


The last time the had a boatload of cash to throw around, they ended up with Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon. Maybe guys just don't want to go to Detroit? So they end up with mid-tier guys? No idea

That's back to back times he has wiffed on free agency. The credit he earned by getting diamonds in the rough has long been used up

[Rake2204]

I think Joe Dumars will be fired if the Pistons don't make the playoffs and maybe put a brief scare into someone.

My thoughts are the Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva signings were recognized as being poor moves. However, with the transaction embargo that came with Detroit's uncertain ownership status, I really do believe Dumars was kind of hamstrung by his own mistakes.

As such, when new ownership was finally established, I think it was decided it'd be fair to allow Dumars an opportunity to right the wrongs that were forced to linger for a while. I actually supported the Ben Gordon trade, because I felt it was going to be a necessary move to allow Detroit an opportunity to succeed. I think if that trade didn't happen, Dumars would have already been gone, as Detroit slowly waited for B.G.'s backloaded $13 million deal to end this summer.

Either way, I think this season was set up for a while as being Dumars' year of reckoning via sink or swim. Unfortunately, I'm kind of with the rest of you on the Smith and Jennings moves. I wasn't a fan of Brandon Knight and thought Detroit would just spin their wheels as long as he was running the ship, but acquiring Jennings was a risk I wasn't keen on taking. I liked the Smith move more when I had the naivety to believe he'd moved on from taking so many shots from the perimeter.

I think there's still a lot of time left in the season. I also feel as though a trade is eminent prior to the deadline, likely involving Villanueva and either Smith or Greg Monroe. Depending upon who ends up returning, the course of Detroit's journey this year could still be altered.

[Rake2204]

The last time the had a boatload of cash to throw around, they ended up with Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon. Maybe guys just don't want to go to Detroit? So they end up with mid-tier guys? No idea

That's back to back times he has wiffed on free agency. The credit he earned by getting diamonds in the rough has long been used upI think that's part of it as well. I thought Detroit may have overpaid for Ben Gordon, but I still thought he'd be a big time player. I certainly didn't expect his scoring average to halve (20.7 his last year in Chicago, 12.5 his last year in Detroit).

Then, I think the fallout from Detroit's poor showings since '09 created a situation where they weren't elite enough to draw a lot a folks into coming into town. But then, Dumars also had to make moves last summer or else, again, I think he'd lost his job. As such, it kind of feels like he took a bold roll of the dice and prayed for the best.

[RightToCensor]

Stupid troll posts 30+ a day. Go outside and maybe Houston wouldn't be known as the fattest city in the US. Dumbass and you still need a life

1/3 of my posts were just post count inflation. I've actually very rarely post unless I'm on my laptop, which I am on now for the first time in a while.

It's also pretty cold outside, I don't fux with that. I wasn't raised to be an Eskimo like the people in the North East.

[STATUTORY]

cause no one cares about the pistons and detroit

[G-train]

Should have played Knight, Monroe, Drummond out this season, not traded any picks, and just kept building through draft.
May have had pressure from above though.

[Rake2204]

Should have played Knight, Monroe, Drummond out this season, not traded any picks, and just kept building through draft.
May have had pressure from above though.Obviously I have no real idea, but I honestly feel as though you hit the nail on the head. I think there was real deal pressure from above to do something now. I think Dumars had run out of years and it was do-or-die time. I don't think he was in a situation where he could afford to let things just play out another year.

[Crown&Coke]

I think that's part of it as well. I thought Detroit may have overpaid for Ben Gordon, but I still thought he'd be a big time player. I certainly didn't expect his scoring average to halve (20.7 his last year in Chicago, 12.5 his last year in Detroit).

Then, I think the fallout from Detroit's poor showings since '09 created a situation where they weren't elite enough to draw a lot a folks into coming into town. But then, Dumars also had to make moves last summer or else, again, I think he'd lost his job. As such, it kind of feels like he took a bold roll of the dice and prayed for the best.

The crazy thing about the BG deal, was it seemed to fit and not fit at the same time. The Pistons were looking for that guy who had the ability to finish a game on offense, and Gordon was just that for the Bulls for like 2 years in a row, even in the playoffs. But Detroit had Rip entrenched at the 2, and neither were going to be able play point. Totally weird situation

So now they are paying starters money to a guy who wanted to be a starter but no place to start him. but who would have thought BG would fall off a cliff like he did in Detroit? I mean maybe in year 4 and 5, but not right after the ink dried on the contract

[mr.big35]

600 posts... Dat Pistons Nation. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Im the pistons nation

[Droid101]

Uh... if they didn't fire him after the Ben Gordon/Charlie V free agent summer, then nothing he does will get him fired.

[mr.big35]

he should get fired there is no other reasons,

[flipogb]

because we have been calling for him to be fired for so long that we all just got tired of it.

[Rake2204]

The crazy thing about the BG deal, was it seemed to fit and not fit at the same time. The Pistons were looking for that guy who had the ability to finish a game on offense, and Gordon was just that for the Bulls for like 2 years in a row, even in the playoffs. But Detroit had Rip entrenched at the 2, and neither were going to be able play point. Totally weird situation

So now they are paying starters money to a guy who wanted to be a starter but no place to start him. but who would have thought BG would fall off a cliff like he did in Detroit? I mean maybe in year 4 and 5, but not right after the ink dried on the contractTruth. And as much as "good luck" seems to be bandied about when discussing Dumars and the Pistons' success of the mid-2000's, I think the idea of bad luck should be discussed just as well.

For instance, did Joe Dumars pay too much for Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva, even knowing only what we knew at the time of the signings? I'd say likely so. However, even to non-fans of BG and Villa, was there really any way of knowing they'd both fit that poorly? That Gordon would struggle to find a role for which he could fit, despite filling various roles in Chicago? Even those who hated Charlie V, did they really think he'd be averaging 4 points per while appearing in only a fourth of his team's contests?

I figured, it'd be disappointing if BG arrived in Detroit and pumped in just 15ppg. And I thought it'd be a failure if Charlie Villanueva stagnated at 11ppg. I'm not sure anyone could have predicted the true outcomes.

So if one is going to balk at giving credit to Dumars for constructing his championship team, I think he'd also have to be absolved of a lot of the blame for their downfall. Personally, I think that's just how the game goes. GM's take risks every time they sign a ball player. You try to play the odds, but it doesn't always work out. And sometimes, it goes horribly awry.