Kansas Jayhawks as an NBA Team

[scm5]

The Jayhawks have both Embiid and Wiggins, both of whom are almost certain to go in the Top 3 of this year's draft and Wayne Selden who is also predicted to be a first round draft pick this year.

Let's say that the NBA decided to just convert the entire Jayhawk roster to a new NBA team whose roster could not be changed and gave them Phil Jackson as their head coach.

How well would they do as an NBA team in their first year? Five years down the line? Ten?

EDIT: I bolded, italicized, underlined, and changed the color of the last sentence to red because ISH posters seem to have ADHD and not understand that I'm not just asking about their first year in the league.

[Clyde]

The Jayhawks have both Embiid and Wiggins, both of whom are almost certain to go in the Top 3 of this year's draft and Wayne Selden who is also predicted to be a first round draft pick this year.

Let's say that the NBA decided to just convert the entire Jayhawk roster to a new NBA team whose roster could not be changed and gave them Phil Jackson as their head coach.

How well would they do as an NBA team in their first year? Five years down the line? Ten?

they'd be slaughtered everynight....

the end

[JimmyMcAdocious]

They would win about zero games. Maybe less.

[chocolatethunder]

They would win about zero games. Maybe less.
Yup.
/thread

[beastee]

Oh man...give em some credit. 1-81 - The Heat are coasting right now...:lol

[r0drig0lac]

They would win about zero games. Maybe less.
I'd say less than 0 is an absolute certainty

[cos88]

how can anyone make this kind of threads? :facepalm

[LeGOAT]

Lol stop it.

[Clyde]

how can anyone make this kind of threads? :facepalm

Because they hop aboard the hype train, and have little understanding of the differences in College/NBA.

You get the same fools thinking last years Alabama team could beat and NFL team.

[scm5]

Because they hop aboard the hype train, and have little understanding of the differences in College/NBA.

You get the same fools thinking last years Alabama team could beat and NFL team.

Wow. You guys act like I think they're an NBA ready team.

I'm giving them the best coach, they have two of the best players in recent drafts, and I'm just purely asking how well people think they would do playing NBA teams long term.

[scm5]

They would win about zero games. Maybe less.

Maybe when they first start playing in the NBA, but what about 5-10 years from now? Would they be able to hang with other teams if both Wiggins and Embiid pan out as superstars?

[Real Men Wear Green]

They aren't ranked in the top 5 of the NCAA and you're thinking they could get it done in the NBA? They'd go 2-80. And that's my nice estimate. Really they'd probably lose every game by 20. Embiid and Wiggins will be NBA players but they aren't NBA players right now.

[Joyner82reload]

Well shit, Texas almost had this roster one year

DJ Augustin
Daniel Gibson
PJ Tucker
Durant
Aldridge

Instead Rick Barnes ran off Aldridge and Gibson/Tucker followed suit

[Demitri98]

0-82, closest game is a 35 point loss to the coasting Heat. Stupid thread :facepalm :facepalm

[scm5]

They aren't ranked in the top 5 of the NCAA and you're thinking they could get it done in the NBA? They'd go 2-80. And that's my nice estimate. Really they'd probably lose every game by 20. Embiid and Wiggins will be NBA players but they aren't NBA players right now.

Again, I threw in 5-10 years from now. Their two best players are freshmen and two of the Top 3 prospects in this year's draft. I'm also giving them Phil Jackson.

I'm asking how well the team would do not just in their first season together as an NBA team, but if they stayed together for 5-10 more years with one of the best coaches of all time. Would they be able to hang after Wiggins and Embiid mature?

[Bush4Ever]

They would lose every game and die.

[Clyde]

Again, I threw in 5-10 years from now. Their two best players are freshmen and two of the Top 3 prospects in this year's draft. I'm also giving them Phil Jackson.

I'm asking how well the team would do not just in their first season together as an NBA team, but if they stayed together for 5-10 more years with one of the best coaches of all time. Would they be able to hang after Wiggins and Embiid mature?

can someone delete this thread?

honestly, we are going to provided insight on what would happen if a team full of children joined the nba, never lost or gained anyone due to free agency and had a an unproven NBA coach to lead the team.

Rediculos

[Real Men Wear Green]

Again, I threw in 5-10 years from now.My fault.
Their two best players are freshmen and two of the Top 3 prospects in this year's draft. I'm also giving them Phil Jackson.

I'm asking how well the team would do not just in their first season together as an NBA team, but if they stayed together for 5-10 more years with one of the best coaches of all time. Would they be able to hang after Wiggins and Embiid mature?
I'd give them a shot at respectability in 5 years. I'm not sold on either guy being a superstar because they aren't playing like it on a much lower level but one could emerge. A few of their teammates will also make the NBA so I'd say they'd be around .500.

[Clyde]

can someone delete this thread?

honestly, we are going to provided insight on what would happen if a team full of children joined the nba, never lost or gained anyone due to free agency and had a an unproven NBA coach to lead the team.

Rediculos

Sorry didnt see the part about Phil being the coach as I was blinded by the stupidity of the thread.

So many variable who knows what would happen.

A btter thread would be be how good do you see Wiggins and Embiid being in 5-10 years.

Which, based on what I've seen is very very good.

[Jailblazers7]

Might have a shot at making playoffs or even having a decent seed 5-10 years down the line if Wiggins, Embiid, and Selden reach their potential. That is a great wing combo with potentially the best big in the league. They would never be a serious threat tho because their PG play would be very bad and bench depth would be a huge issue.

[scm5]

can someone delete this thread?

honestly, we are going to provided insight on what would happen if a team full of children joined the nba, never lost or gained anyone due to free agency and had a an unproven NBA coach to lead the team

Rediculos

Can you read the entire post before replying to my thread?

I wasn't just asking how they would do if you just dropped them in the NBA right now. I was asking what if they were kept together and developed as a team.

I also mentioned multiple times that they would have Phil Jackson as their coach.

[scm5]

Sorry didnt see the part about Phil being the coach as I was blinded by the stupidity of the thread.

So many variable who knows what would happen.

A btter thread would be be how good do you see Wiggins and Embiid being in 5-10 years.

Which, based on what I've seen is very very good.

Right, so basically a cut and paste question would be better?

I get flamed nonstop for posing an original question...

[Clyde]

Right, so basically a cut and paste question would be better?

I get flamed nonstop for posing an original question...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT98l14KnSs

[IGOTGAME]

Embiid is gonna be the top Center in the league in 5 years and a top 5 player. Add in Wiggins and you got a solid core. Only thing that is gonna hurt me is that there are so many guys who aren't NBa caliber. But superstars win in this league and they will have 1 or even possibly two.

[Clyde]

Embiid is gonna be the top Center in the league in 5 years and a top 5 player. Add in Wiggins and you got a solid core. Only thing that is gonna hurt me is that there are so many guys who aren't NBa caliber. But superstars win in this league and they will have 1 or even possibly two.

You aren't going to win anything with a bunch of players who couldnt make the nba, even if you have 2 stars.......why am I still in this thread lol

[scm5]

You aren't going to win anything with a bunch of players who couldnt make the nba, even if you have 2 stars.......why am I still in this thread lol

Sigh, do you really think that they won't be able to win any games 5-10 years down the line? Or are you talking about championships? Nowhere in this thread has anyone ever mentioned them contending.

[IGOTGAME]

You aren't going to win anything with a bunch of players who couldnt make the nba, even if you have 2 stars.......why am I still in this thread lol

When did I say they would win a title? But having two top 5 players can make a team respectable and Embiid and Wiggins might be that. Other players if given the time could develop into NBA players, at least good enough to compliment. This squad could be respectable with the GOAT coach, 8 years of development, and 2 top 5/10 players. Lastly, this is all premised on my belief that Embiid and Wiggins will be first ballot Hall of Famers.

[scm5]

When did I say they would win a title? But having two top 5 players can make a team respectable and Embiid and Wiggins might be that. Other players if given the time could develop into NBA players, at least good enough to compliment. This squad could be respectable with the GOAT coach, 8 years of development, and 2 top 5/10 players. Lastly, this is all premised on my belief that Embiid and Wiggins will be first ballot Hall of Famers.

Thank you for taking the time to read and reply to this thread. :cheers:

[Clyde]

When did I say they would win a title? But having two top 5 players can make a team respectable and Embiid and Wiggins might be that. Other players if given the time could develop into NBA players, at least good enough to compliment. This squad could be respectable with the GOAT coach, 8 years of development, and 2 top 5/10 players. Lastly, this is all premised on my belief that Embiid and Wiggins will be first ballot Hall of Famers.

First Ballot HOF's?

Based on What?

one guy has played two years of basketball.

wow.

Come on man.

[IGOTGAME]

First Ballot HOF's?

Based on What?

one guy has played two years of basketball.

wow.

Come on man.

I'm pretty good with big man projections(just look at Drummond). Embiid is the best big man prospect I've seen in the last 10 years.

I'm not as sure on Wiggins, but it is a high enough chance to talk about.

[Marchesk]

They would lose to the team in Wichita.

[tragicbronson]

I'm pretty good with big man projections(just look at Drummond). Embiid is the best big man prospect I've seen in the last 10 years.

I'm not as sure on Wiggins, but it is a high enough chance to talk about.

Ok scout Nick, can you tell me what do you think about Wiggins, i know he is not a big man but i am sure you've seen him and been thinking about him ;). I don't know but i just see more polished version of Batum :confusedshrug:

[Clyde]

I'm pretty good with big man projections(just look at Drummond). Embiid is the best big man prospect I've seen in the last 10 years.

I'm not as sure on Wiggins, but it is a high enough chance to talk about.

Not to be facetious, but I am unaware of your projections.

I've seen every Kansas game this season (i live in Canada and they televise every game and hype the shit out of Wiggins)

I think Embiid will be great, though I think he will stay in college.

Im torn on Wiggins.....some games he becomes invisible, and it seems he's scared (possibly inable)to impose his will.

He has had a few games where you can see potential ( the end of the florida game hitting 3 after 3, and his recent monster double-double)

I'll have to wait til after the tourney for my "evaluation"

[TheReal Kendall]

Phil would kill himself!

Hell it's gonna take Wiggins about 3 to 4 years to really develop. The only player that's remotely close to NBA ready is Embiid but seriously are we comparing boys to grown men:facepalm


This team would have to make some moves and trades some where down the line to be competitive in the NBA

[IGOTGAME]

Ok scout Nick, can you tell me what do you think about Wiggins, i know he is not a big man but i am sure you've seen him and been thinking about him ;). I don't know but i just see more polished version of Batum :confusedshrug:

I think he is a freak athlete that needs to toughen up mentally and physically. He has elite first step in a 6"8 body with a long wing span. His form looks good and he shows the ability to get to the basket at will when decides to. Bill Self has called him out at half times in gams for aggressiveness and has called him soft during games. I think these things are fixable because I truly feel it's a function of his youth. But even as "passive" as he has looked, he had games where he has been a dominate rebounder and games where he looks like he can get to the rack at will. I'm not even gonna discuss his defensive potential because that looks to be a given. Guy has all the tools. Just happened that he joined the Jayhawks with the only other prospect in the country better than him.

The one thing that really concerns me about Wiggins is his passing. He seems pretty bad at it, both accuracy and vision. The vision part seems a. It odd to me because he sees the right cuts(creates the right angles) as a cutter but misses them as a passer.

[scm5]

Not to be facetious, but I am unaware of your projections.

I've seen every Kansas game this season (i live in Canada and they televise every game and hype the shit out of Wiggins)

I think Embiid will be great, though I think he will stay in college.

Im torn on Wiggins.....some games he becomes invisible, and it seems he's scared (possibly inable)to impose his will.

He has had a few games where you can see potential ( the end of the florida game hitting 3 after 3, and his recent monster double-double)

I'll have to wait til after the tourney for my "evaluation"

You might watch games, but I doubt you understand basketball. Wiggins isn't being featured every game like Jabari Parker is. He's playing within the Kansas' system and his coach Bill Self isn't allowing Wiggins to be a one-man show.

I think this is exactly what Wiggins needs while in college because he's going to be given star treatment by his team the moment he's drafted.

There is a difference between watching and understanding basketball.

[Clyde]

You might watch games, but I doubt you understand basketball. Wiggins isn't being featured every game like Jabari Parker is. He's playing within the Kansas' system and his coach Bill Self isn't allowing Wiggins to be a one-man show.

I think this is exactly what Wiggins needs while in college because he's going to be given star treatment by his team the moment he's drafted.

There is a difference between watching and understanding basketball.

Actually I do understand basketball, I play and coach it. I've watched it evolve from 1991 til now.

I watch high school, college and nba....

My opinions on Wiggins are shared by many scouts, coaches and other members of ISH.

Why I though your thread was assinine was because of the vast difference in the way the ncaa/nba games are officiated, coached and played.

Because of those reasons I thought it impossible to translate what a team of children could do in the NBA.

By all mans though, watch a few Kansas games, read some articles and maybe you'll get what Im saying on the topic of Wiggins.

Maybe you have, I dont know.

To discredit my understanding of basketball with only having a few posts to base it on is ignorant.

Dont be that guy

[Clyde]

The one thing that really concerns me about Wiggins is his passing. He seems pretty bad at it, both accuracy and vision. The vision part seems a. It odd to me because he sees the right cuts(creates the right angles) as a cutter but misses them as a passer.

i agree with this completely.

[scm5]

Actually I do understand basketball, I play and coach it. I've watched it evolve from 1991 til now.

I watch high school, college and nba....

My opinions on Wiggins are shared by many scouts, coaches and other members of ISH.

Why I though your thread was assinine was because of the vast difference in the way the ncaa/nba games are officiated, coached and played.

Because of those reasons I thought it impossible to translate what a team of children could do in the NBA.

By all mans though, watch a few Kansas games, read some articles and maybe you'll get what Im saying on the topic of Wiggins.

Maybe you have, I dont know.

To discredit my understanding of basketball with only having a few posts to base it on is ignorant.

Dont be that guy

Says the guy that replied to my thread without reading/understanding what I was asking.

Don't be that guy.

[tragicbronson]

The one thing that really concerns me about Wiggins is his passing. He seems pretty bad at it, both accuracy and vision. The vision part seems a. It odd to me because he sees the right cuts(creates the right angles) as a cutter but misses them as a passer.

Ballhandling aswell, guy's raw as fck

[Clyde]

Says the guy that replied to my thread without reading/understanding what I was asking.

Don't be that guy.

Well its answered now.

what did you learn?

[Clyde]

Ballhandling aswell, guy's raw as fck

agreed, I havent realy seen him create his own shot....sure he drives to the basket, but two dribbles and pull up, No sir

[scm5]

Well its answered now.

what did you learn?

Nothing from you really.

The Jayhawks are young, yes. They would be considered boys amongst men in the NBA, but I asked 5-10 years from now with players developing and two players with a lot of upside.

I think they would be able to be a .500 team at least eventually as long as Wiggins and Embiid pan out to be all-star caliber players and close to what they're projected to be. Yes, even with non-NBA level talent on their roster as role players.

And I do think this is an interesting topic because from what we've learned in previous International Basketball Tournaments is that despite not having NBA-level talent 1-5, teams have been able to compete with a team comprised of the NBA's best.

[Clyde]

And I do think this is an interesting topic because from what we've learned in previous International Basketball Tournaments is that despite not having NBA-level talent 1-5, teams have been able to compete with a team comprised of the NBA's best.

nope, still a stupid topic based solely on extreme hypotheticals.

[MavsPoke]

They would lose every game and it wouldn't be close.

[scm5]

nope, still a stupid topic based solely on extreme hypotheticals.

So you think that a college team that matured and played together for 5-10 years with two Top level NBA prospects and a couple other NBA level talent and the greatest coach in NBA history would just be blown out every single game and would be no competition at all to NBA teams?

Your "coaching" must be along the lines of Brooks, just let your star players get the wins for you. Oh wait, I don't want to be that guy.

[SillyRabbit]

How can you consider yourself a basketball fan if you honestly think this is a legitimate question?

They wouldn't win a single game.

Even the most immobile and offensively inept bigs would completely destroy them in the paint and NBA level defences would completely shut down the Jayhawks offense.

[scm5]

How can you consider yourself a basketball fan if you honestly think this is a legitimate question?

They wouldn't win a single game.

Even the most immobile and offensively inept bigs would completely destroy them in the paint and NBA level defences would completely shut down the Jayhawks offense.

So you really think in 10 years of playing and maturing together, with talented prospects such as Wiggins and Embiid and the GOAT coach, playing 82 games a season, they would win zero games during that span?!!??!?!?!!?

You do know that they have at least a couple other players on that team that could possibly be drafted into the NBA? There are others on that team that would probably be able to play international ball.

International basketball teams, some with mid-level NBA talent, have been able to give Team USA, which is comprised mostly of the NBA's best talent, have been able to compete.

Is this REALLY what you think? Or did you not read the question/post fully?