Why don't we use advanced stats to prop up LeBron anymore?

[Joyner82reload]

What happened? That used to be the end all be all as to why LeBron>Kobe circa 2009-2011, but now? It seems as if all the LeBron fan's prefer using the ring argument, which is amusing because they dismissed that in the LeBron-Kobe discussions. Hell I even remember them being used to justify LeBron being the MVP over Rose in 2011 and Durant in 2012.

[STATUTORY]

they trying to morph lebron into an eye test legend















but he ugly as hell :roll:

[AnaheimLakers24]

eye test >
no one really took them serious

[red1]

:confusedshrug: bron stans seem to acknowledge that kd is the mvp thus far

[Black and White]

they trying to morph lebron into an eye test legend



but he ugly as hell :roll:

LeBron eye-test??? Man I would rather gouge my eyes out, LeBron is a stat sheet stuffer, no eye test would put LeBron over Durant.

[Bush4Ever]

Why the hell do people not understand that greatness is determined by a combination of variables, not just one?

[navy]

We never used advanced stats to prop up Lebron. His regular stats are better than Kobe. Which is why Kobe stans obsessed over TS%. Which is an advanced stat.

[Levity]

We never used advanced stats to prop up Lebron. His regular stats are better than Kobe. Which is why Kobe stans obsessed over TS%. Which is an advanced stat.

so youre an alt?

[Mr. Jabbar]

bran stans are in a dead end right now, his rings are highly regarded as a stacked team accomplishment and durant steamrolled him as the best player a while ago, im giving them 2 weeks at most till they start jumping ship

[navy]

so youre an alt?
Sure. Im Jeff.

[LeBron 06]

This is a completely useless thread...We all know than KD will win the mvp this year...I understand that LeBron can not win the mvp every years

[HOoopCityJones]

bran stans are in a dead end right now, his rings are highly regarded as a stacked team accomplishment and durant steamrolled him as the best player a while ago, im giving them 2 weeks at most till they start jumping ship

Lebron looks like he wants to jump ship his damn self.

Next stop, Nets to mooch off of DWill and Brook Lopez's prime.

[Black and White]

This is a completely useless thread...We all know than KD will win the mvp this year...I understand that LeBron can not win the mvp every years

LeBron better hold onto that #2 spot because George is coming for it.....

[Milbuck]

Because pretty much every advanced stat points to Lebron being either #2 to Giannis or #3 to KD and Giannis. Either way, he's no longer at the top.

[IncarceratedBob]

LeBron always used to have the stats in his favor, so no one could doubt him as the greatest.

But now Durant has surpassed him in the stats and eye test so what does LeBron have left? James needs to step up his game big time if he doesn't want King Kevin to reign the NBA.

[ripthekik]

:confusedshrug: bron stans seem to acknowledge that kd is the mvp thus far
not just mvp, but that KD is the best player in the game today.

[LeBron 06]

LeBron better hold onto that #2 spot because George is coming for it.....


dumb post

[Black and White]

dumb post

You don't have much of a leg to stand on bruh, LeBron keeps giving you less and less ammo to fight with, KD on the other hand has given us a nuke to use.

[LeBron 06]

not just mvp, but that KD is the best player in the game today.


only in January

[LeBron 06]

You don't have much of a leg to stand on bruh, LeBron keeps giving you less and less ammo to fight with, KD on the other hand has given us a nuke to use.

KD is currently in a hot streak and he deserves to win the mvp, but he will not do 39 PPG every month

[Black and White]

KD is currently in a hot streak and he deserves to win the mvp, but he will not do 39 PPG every month

Still doesn't stop him from being better than LeBron

[Mr. Jabbar]

KD is currently in a hot streak and he deserves to win the mvp, but he will not do 39 PPG every month

forget about stats dude....you're given the chance to watch either guy play tonight, who you pick? thats right, the guy who is eye-test certified.

[LeBron 06]

Still doesn't stop him from being better than LeBron


Only in january

[LeBron 06]

forget about stats dude....you're given the chance to watch either guy play tonight, who you pick? thats right, the guy who is eye-test certified.

Tonight?...KD


KD is in an incredible streak...In 5 months?...We'll see

Things change very quickly sometimes

[Joyner82reload]

Let me just go ahead and a few pictures in this thread

http://oi40.tinypic.com/34ez3bc.jpg

http://oi40.tinypic.com/30ago5s.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

lol joyner reaching hard. It was always the simple 5 major statistical categories as to why LeBron > Kobe + Efficiency.

now those are advanced stats huh

[ripthekik]

Let me just go ahead and a few pictures in this thread

http://oi40.tinypic.com/34ez3bc.jpg

http://oi40.tinypic.com/30ago5s.jpg
oh crap :lol

[LeBron 06]

Let me just go ahead and a few pictures in this thread

http://oi40.tinypic.com/34ez3bc.jpg

http://oi40.tinypic.com/30ago5s.jpg


so,LeBron is the second best player of all-time?

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron better hold onto that #2 spot because George is coming for it.....

The hell is wrong with you?? How do you evaluate players? Because something dont mash up here. If George > LBJ then its due to defense, but then LBJ >>> Durant. You either lose or lose.. take a side

[ripthekik]

The hell is wrong with you?? How do you evaluate players? Because something dont mash up here. If George > LBJ then its due to defense, but then LBJ >>> Durant. You either lose or lose.. take a side
umm you still think lebron's defense >>> kd?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323245

check that thread out

[TylerOO]

Lebron looks like he wants to jump ship his damn self.

Next stop, Nets to mooch off of DWill and Brook Lopez's prime.

Deron is past his prime and Lopez is always hurt. :confusedshrug:

[Black and White]

The hell is wrong with you?? How do you evaluate players? Because something dont mash up here. If George > LBJ then its due to defense, but then LBJ >>> Durant. You either lose or lose.. take a side

Have you recovered from your meltdown in the game thread yesterday??? Or do you still need a moment to cry some more?

[LeGOAT]

Who are all you idiots even arguing with? Pretty much every one has acknowledge Durant is leading the MVP race midway through the season. Congrats. Let's see what happens. There's 40+ games left not including playoffs and Bron/Durant have yet to face H2H

[Mr Exlax]

I don't think anybody is trying to prop up LeBron right now since it's the regular season and everybody has come to the agreement that he's coasting. That's what the eye test shows me this season. Playoff time I fully expect him to kick his shit in high gear and stop slacking.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I don't think anybody is trying to prop up LeBron right now since it's the regular season

http://www.fodrizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Oh-the-Irony.jpg

[HOoopCityJones]

Wasn't he coasting in last years Finals too?



Took him til Game 7 to come out with intensity.

If he thinks Wade's gonna carry him in the Playoffs again he's got another knee crumbling.

[Solefade]

LeBron better hold onto that #2 spot because George is coming for it.....


you are such a troll brah

[Mr Exlax]

http://www.fodrizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Oh-the-Irony.jpg

I say the regular season because he's coasting. I don't expect him to coast during the playoffs. You think he's not coasting?

[Black and White]

you are such a troll brah

Just having fun :D I don't actually think George will end up the second best in the league yet, thats LeBrons spot for now...

[Mr Exlax]

Wasn't he coasting in last years Finals too?



Took him til Game 7 to come out with intensity.

If he thinks Wade's gonna carry him in the Playoffs again he's got another knee crumbling.


Coasting in the Finals? What Finals series was you watching? That's a pretty idiotic statement I can't even lie.

Wade carried him? WTF? :biggums:

[HOoopCityJones]

you are such a troll brah

You guys act like he brought up some scrub :roll:

Fact is George IS coming.

But imo that'll be KD's problem more so than Bron's in the long run.

[Black and White]

I say the regular season because he's coasting. I don't expect him to coast during the playoffs. You think he's not coasting?

I think he is more fatigued than coasting.

[HOoopCityJones]

Coasting in the Finals? What Finals series was you watching? That's a pretty idiotic statement I can't even lie.

Wade carried him? WTF? :biggums:

The one where Borris Diaw almost shut him down, how about you? :wtf:


Fact is , if Wade doesn't go off for those games in San Antonio that series woulda been over.

[Mr Exlax]

The one where Borris Diaw almost shut him down, how about you? :wtf:


Fact is , if Wade doesn't go off for those games in San Antonio that series woulda been over.

When Borris Diaw stopped him on a couple of posessions, he wasn't coasting. He got stopped. No problem with that if you ask me. I haven't seen any player score every single time they tried to.

Fact is it's a team game. If LeBron doesn't go off for all those games prior to that series, they never make it to the Finals.

[ArbitraryWater]

umm you still think lebron's defense >>> kd?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323245

check that thread out

This is a joke. WHAT SIDE ARE YOU ON? Before, defending your boy Kobe, you ALWAYS ignored the stats, what happened? Someone there, NOT Kobe, that can dethrone the King?

Eye Test tells me LeBron >>>> Durant on D and thats not even hard. Defense cant be measured by stats, KD is a solid man to man guy, everything else is horrible. pick n roll defense, rotating, etc.

[ArbitraryWater]

The one where Borris Diaw almost shut him down, how about you? :wtf:


Fact is , if Wade doesn't go off for those games in San Antonio that series woulda been over.

:roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Have you recovered from your meltdown in the game thread yesterday??? Or do you still need a moment to cry some more?

what meltdown? Is this some kind of thing, laughing my ass off at clowns like you, being a meltdown? :lol

Whatever rocks your world pal :roll:

[red1]

not just mvp, but that KD is the best player in the game today.
current kd > prime kobe

[HOoopCityJones]

When Borries Diaw stopped him on a couple of posessions, he wasn't coasting. He got stopped. No problem with that if you ask me. I haven't seen any player score every single time they tried to.

Fact is it's a team game. If LeBron doesn't go off for all those games prior to that series, they never make it to the Finals.

It's not just about whats on the damn stat sheet at the end of everynight.

Any bum can stuff a stat sheet on any given night.

It's also about the effort and for a stretch there Bron was effectively checked out of games because they were daring him to shoot from 3 and it could of cost them the SERIES. His feelings were hurt.

Thank God for Dwade and Ray-Ray.

[Black and White]

what meltdown? Is this some kind of thing, laughing my ass off at clowns like you, being a meltdown? :lol

Whatever rocks your world pal :roll:

Oh you are still trying to hide it? Everyone knows you were crying after Durant dropped 46, you had to keep trying to defend LeBron at all costs but it failed and you just looked like an idiot.

[Mr Exlax]

It's not just about whats on the damn stat sheet at the end of everynight.

Any bum can stuff a stat sheet on any given night.

It's also about the effort and for a stretch there Bron was effectively checked out of games because they were daring him to shoot from 3 and it could of cost them the SERIES.

Thank God for Dwade and Ray-Ray.

Who brought up the statsheet? Where do you see me talking about stats?

I don't think LeBron checked out the games. I think the Spurs defense shut him down for stretches. He found different ways to effect the game than just scoring though. That's called greatness.

I guess because I'm not a LeBron stan your comments don't really bother me. It almost sounds like you're saying Miami won because LeBron had some teammates that contributed and it's a bad thing. You want him to score every single point or something like that?

[Crafty]

Even Lebron fans are saying Durant is clear cut the MVP this year.

[Mr Exlax]

Even Lebron fans are saying Durant is clear cut the MVP this year.

Because he is. The thing I guess what people are arguing about is if LeBron is coasting or not.

[knicksman]

Why the hell do people not understand that greatness is determined by a combination of variables, not just one?


why cant people not understand that cheating is not greatness

[HOoopCityJones]

Who brought up the statsheet? Where do you see me talking about stats?

I don't think LeBron checked out the games. I think the Spurs defense shut him down for stretches. He found different ways to effect the game than just scoring though. That's called greatness.

I guess because I'm not a LeBron stan your comments don't really bother me. It almost sounds like you're saying Miami won because LeBron had some teammates that contributed and it's a bad thing. You want him to score every single point or something like that?

Nope. I want him to stop trying to silently shy away from big moments with a bailout play.


No one's saying he's a bum, he's one of the Top players in the NBA second to only Durant as of late.

[Mr Exlax]

Nope. I want him to stop trying to silently shy away from big moments with a bailout play.


No's one's saying he's a bum, he's one of the Top players in the NBA second to only Durant.

I guess your opinion and mine are different. I don't look at LeBron just to score points. Getting a key assist, rebound, block, steal etc is coming up big in moments. I can tell you've never played ball before. You're a fan of a player and not a fan of basketball.

Oh and I think LeBron is still the best player, but he's not playing like it. Once he stops coasting then I can say he's playing like the best. Durant deserves the MVP at least so far this season.

[HOoopCityJones]

I guess your opinion and mine are different. I don't look at LeBron just to score points. Getting a key assist, rebound, block, steal etc is coming up big in moments. I can tell you've never played ball before. You're a fan of a player and not a fan of basketball.

Oh and I think LeBron is still the best player, but he's not playing like it. Once he stops coasting then I can say he's playing like the best. Durant deserves the MVP at least so far this season.

:coleman:

Bro, no one ever said all he had to do was shoot.

BUT, this fool is supposedly THE unstoppable player in the league, can guard 5 positions yada yada, yet he rather let Norris Cole shoot a contested 3 from the corner with 06 on the clock. And you all think this is the best course of action , because he's "passing to a Teammate".

Stall me out with the I can tell you never played basketball speech.

You don't know me at all bruh.

[Lebron23]

Back to back NBA Finals MVP. Being a multiple time PER champion doesn't make you a hall of famer.

And Lebron is 2nd in the league in scoring with 26.2 ppg on 59 FG%,. He is also averaging 6.5 apg, and 6.7 rpg.

[HOoopCityJones]

Being a multiple time PER champion doesn't make you a hall of famer.

:roll:

Were you saying this before 2012?

[Black and White]

Back to back NBA Finals MVP. Being a multiple time PER champion doesn't make you a hall of famer.

Do they make a ring for this too?

[HOoopCityJones]

Do they make a ring for this too?

:lol Yup

[Joyner82reload]

And Lebron is 2nd in the league in scoring with 26.2 ppg on 59 FG%,. He is also averaging 6.5 apg, and 6.7 rpg.

Ya and Durant is averaging 30.9/7.8/5.1

[Black and White]

:lol Yup

Oh wow, LeBron might get not 4, not 5, not 6 he might get multiple PER championships, oh wait..... Durant is winning these too!!!! :roll: :roll:

[Lebron23]

:roll:

Were you saying this before 2012?


KD is the MVP right now, but Lebron has been a better player than Kobe since 2008. He even put up better numbers than Kobe against the same common opponents in the playoffs ( vs. 08 Celtics, 09 Magic, and 10 Celtics), but he played with Mo Williams and Varejao while Kobe played with Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, and Ron Artest.


Who cares? Durant will be rank higher than Kobe. Lebron already surpassed him last June. And if he wins his 3rd straight Finals MVP this is no longer a worthy comparison.

[knicksman]

:coleman:

Bro, no one ever said all he had to do was shoot.

BUT, this fool is supposedly THE unstoppable player in the league, can guard 5 positions yada yada, yet he rather let Norris Cole shoot a contested 3 from the corner with 06 on the clock. And you all think this is the best course of action , because he's "passing to a Teammate".

Stall me out with the I can tell you never played basketball speech.

You don't know me at all bruh.

theres no point arguing lebron stans. theyre the sheeps of this forum. If you tell them to jump on the cliff, theyll do it. After all theyre all on suicide watch seeing their boy got owned while at his peak.

[Black and White]

KD is the MVP right now, but Lebron has been a better player than Kobe since 2008. He even put up better numbers than Kobe against the same common opponents in the playoffs ( vs. 08 Celtics, 09 Magic, and 10 Celtics, but he played with Mo Williams and Varejao while Kobe played with Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, and Ron Artest.


Who cares? Durant will be rank higher than Kobe. Lebron already surpassed him last June. And if he wins his 3rd straight Finals MVP this is no longer a worthy comparison.

:no: it only became clear cut after 2010

[PJR]

LeBron is a four time MVP, and is a current back to back Finals MVP. LeBron doesn't need any 'propping up'. His resume speaks for itself. :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

Oh wow, LeBron might get not 4, not 5, not 6 he might get multiple PER championships, oh wait..... Durant is winning these too!!!! :roll: :roll:


Stop pretending that you are a Celtics fan. You have Kobe's dick far up your @$$.

[Mr Exlax]

:coleman:

Bro, no one ever said all he had to do was shoot.

BUT, this fool is supposedly THE unstoppable player in the league, can guard 5 positions yada yada, yet he rather let Norris Cole shoot a contested 3 from the corner with 06 on the clock. And you all think this is the best course of action , because he's "passing to a Teammate".

Stall me out with the I can tell you never played basketball speech.

You don't know me at all bruh.

You're going by single moments though bruh. I asked you when have you ever seen a player score every single time they've attempted. If he passes to Cole for a contested shot then that's not a good pass. I don't kiss the ground the ***** walk on bruh. I am the first to point out his mistakes. I do that with every player. I don't put too much into a single moment bruh. I look at the complete body of work bruh. All 4 quarters of the game bruh.

[fpliii]

PER and win shares (and any derived stats from them) are shit. That being said, KD is the MVP to date. He's going on an incredible scoring tear.

[Black and White]

Stop pretending that you are a Celtics fan. You have Kobe's dick far up your @$$.

Lol I am a Celtics fan, that will never change, you however.... the team you support will change when LeBron leaves in the off-season, back to being a Cleveland fan????

[jlip]

PER and win shares (and any derived stats from them) are shit. That being said, KD is the MVP to date. He's going on an incredible scoring tear.

This

[LeBron 06]

LeBron is a four time MVP, and is a current back to back Finals MVP. LeBron doesn't need any 'propping up'. His resume speaks for itself. :confusedshrug:


this

[riseagainst]

go get 'em Lebron23! You go girl! Respond to all these posts about Lebron.

:rockon:

[Joyner82reload]

KD is the MVP right now, but Lebron has been a better player than Kobe since 2008. He even put up better numbers than Kobe against the same common opponents in the playoffs ( vs. 08 Celtics, 09 Magic, and 10 Celtics), but he played with Mo Williams and Varejao while Kobe played with Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, and Ron Artest.


Who cares? Durant will be rank higher than Kobe. Lebron already surpassed him last June. And if he wins his 3rd straight Finals MVP this is no longer a worthy comparison.

And Durant is putting up better numbers than LeBron. Durant @ 25 surpassed peak LeBron :roll:

[Mr Exlax]

And Durant is putting up better numbers than LeBron. Durant @ 25 surpassed peak LeBron :roll:

Do you think LeBron is giving 100 percent effort?

[Twiens]

Lebron stans getting shook by Durants #'s, retaliating against 36 year old Kobe instead :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

You guys needs a healthy Russell Westbrook in the playoffs. Last year the OKC thunder only won 1 game against the Grizzlies, and Durant struggled without his Robin. 28.8 ppg o 42 FG%.

And the spurs swept the Grizzlies in the conference finals. Heat beat them in 7 games.

[SpaceJammeR]

Lebron haters on kd's dick now. Hmmm I wonder why? Kd is the MVP as of now, playing amazing without Westbrook. But in the playoffs he will need Westbrook.

[Joyner82reload]

Do you think LeBron is giving 100 percent effort?

It's beside the point, if he's not that is his fault. But coasting could easily be an excuse just like elbow gate from a few years back.

[Joyner82reload]

You guys needs a healthy Russell Westbrook in the playoffs. Last year the OKC thunder only won 1 game against the Grizzlies, and Durant struggled without his Robin. 28.8 ppg o 42 FG%.

And the spurs swept the Grizzlies in the conference finals. Heat beat them in 7 games.

...Durant averaged 29/10/7 against the Grizz without Westbrook last year.

LeBron's career playoff averages are 28/9/7

Durant was obviously absolute trash

[LeBron 06]

It's beside the point, if he's not that is his fault. But coasting could easily be an excuse just like elbow gate from a few years back.

LeBron has made ​​3 finals in a row, so it's normal that LeBron can not always give his 100% in regular season


Compare LeBron in 2010 to the current KD would be a more accurate comparison....Especially that LeBron was in the same situation that KD is currently

[Lebron23]

...Durant averaged 29/10/7 against the Grizz without Westbrook last year.

LeBron's career playoff averages are 28/9/7

Durant was obviously absolute trash


4x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP bro. Call me when Durant won multiple Regular Season MVP's. The regular season is not yet over.

[Mr Exlax]

It's beside the point, if he's not that is his fault. But coasting could easily be an excuse just like elbow gate from a few years back.

There's really no point to be made. I'm just asking you your opinion.

[Trollsmasher]

OP's obsession with Durant's good half season is alarming. He would probably die choking on his own jizz if KD by some miracle managed to keep it up:lol

[chazzy]

OP's obsession with Durant
From the guy who's user title is about Durant and has made multiple threads about Durant's FTs

[Joyner82reload]

4x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP bro. Call me when Durant won multiple Regular Season MVP's. The regular season is not yet over.

Steve Nash has multiple regular season MVP's. I guess he's better than Shaq, right?

[HOoopCityJones]

And Durant is putting up better numbers than LeBron. Durant @ 25 surpassed peak LeBron :roll:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Why ya'll mad:confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lol I am a Celtics fan, that will never change, you however.... the team you support will change when LeBron leaves in the off-season, back to being a Cleveland fan????

http://cdn.niketalk.com/0/08/08ad62b1_lopez-is-nuts-o.gif