LeBron had been the undisputed best player in the league for 9 consecutive years

[GoranDragon]

until now.

Best player in the league in 2005-2006 2006-2007 2007-2008 2008-2009 2009-2010 2010-2011 2011-2012 2012-2013.


We had a good run.:applause: :applause: :applause:


Kevin Durant can have the spotlight for now. We coming for him in the playoffs and next season.:mad:

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe > durant > lebron

[RightToCensor]

:applause:

Sadly KD's stats will decrease when Chuckbrook comes back. And he's likely to get exposed against playoff caliber defense like how he got exposed against Memphis.

[GoranDragon]

kobe > durant > lebron
Don't make me laugh.

MJ > Lebron > Durant >>>>> Kobe

[Smook A.]

kobe > durant > lebron
As of now
Durant > LeBron > Kobe
Kobe is done dude

[RightToCensor]

kobe > durant > lebron
In terms of scoring, I agree.

[VIntageNOvel]

isnt OP supposed to be goran dragic fans?:roll:

[GoranDragon]

isnt OP supposed to be goran dragic fans?:roll:
I am. Goran Dragic is a top 5 PG in the league right now.

But Lebron has been the best player and he's my favorite.

[NumberSix]

You're going a little early.

[IncarceratedBob]

Kobe was better than Lebron in 09-10 because of championships

Lebron is better than Durant in 12-13 because of championships

Choose one

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

2006-Kobe, Dirk, KG and Wade were all better
2007-Kobe, Dirk, Timmy, KG and Nash were all better
2008-Kobe, KG, CP3 were all better
2009-Tossup between Lebron and Kobe
2010-Hard to say
2011-Dirk was easily the best player in the league he killed everyone, Wade was arguably better than Lebron
2012-Lebron was the best
2013-Lebron was the best

[Lebron23]

2006-Kobe, Dirk, KG and Wade were all better
2007-Kobe, Dirk, Timmy, KG and Nash were all better
2008-Kobe, KG, CP3 were all better
2009-Tossup between Lebron and Kobe
2010-Hard to say
2011-Dirk was easily the best player in the league he killed everyone, Wade was arguably better than Lebron
2012-Lebron was the best
2013-Lebron was the best


Lebron finished 2nd in MVP voting in the 2005-06 NBA Season. he averaged 31/7/7 in the regular season as a 21 yrs.old.

[livingby3's]

I am. Goran Dragic is a top 5 PG in the league right now.

But Lebron has been the best player and he's my favorite.

Go away :facepalm

[GoranDragon]

Hamtaro sprouting nonsense to discredit Lebron's prime years.:roll:

[SacJB Shady]

If durant took as few of shots as lebron, would he average what lebro does?

[Mr. Jabbar]

ban him, wont be missed

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lebron finished 2nd in MVP voting in the 2005-06 NBA Season. he averaged 31/7/7 in the regular season as a 21 yrs.old.
31/7/7 in 43 minutes tho which isnt impressive and Lebrons defense then wasnt anywhere near elite

He wasnt better than Kobe, Dirk or Wade. Dirk carried a worse roster to the finals and the only reason he wasnt higher in MVP voting was because he was a 7ft white jumpshooter. Kobe no explanation needed best in the world. Wade went ham in the playoff.

[Angel Face]

http://i.imgur.com/LWC32.jpg

[GoranDragon]

I said Durant is the best player right now. And that's ban worthy?:wtf:

[Lebron23]

31/7/7 in 43 minutes tho which isnt impressive and Lebrons defense then wasnt anywhere near elite

He wasnt better than Kobe, Dirk or Wade. Dirk carried a worse roster to the finals and the only reason he wasnt higher in MVP voting was because he was a 7ft white jumpshooter. Kobe no explanation needed best in the world. Wade went ham in the playoff.

The Cavs won 50 games for the first time since the 1992 NBA Season. The Suns won 54 games without Amare. And the Cavs were also 23-7 against the West.

[Kingwillball]

Naive fools can't get it through your thick noggins I guess.. Lebron is the best player that has not changed and will be proven come playoff time and I CANT WAIT.... :banana:

[NumberSix]

I said Durant is the best player right now. And that's ban worthy?:wtf:
Durant has been hot for about 2-3 weeks. Let's not get crazy though.

[Budadiiii]

Naive fools can't get it through your thick noggins I guess.. Lebron is the best player that has not changed and will be proven come playoff time and I CANT WAIT.... :banana:
LeBron gets to prove himself on the most stacked team in the league and in the all-time worst conference. :bowdown:

No one cares what he does anymore. Durant is the face of the league and the best player on the planet.

[knicksman]

well its like saying wilt is better than jordan. Its empty:oldlol: No threat. You can let boris diaw guard him and its over

[Kingwillball]

LeBron gets to prove himself on the most stacked team in the league and in the all-time worst conference. :bowdown:

No one cares what he does anymore. Durant is the face of the league and the best player on the planet.

Really cause Lebron is BY FAR the most polarizing figure in the NBA(love him or hate him) so there goes the theory of people not caring. As far as Best Durant is playing like Rocky going after apollo with the Eye of the Tiger while LEbron is Coasting and Conserving til the Games Really mean something. If U can't understand that your a moron. Durant has played lights out no doubt but LEbron Brings more to the table so don't confuse best Player with Player who is playing the best or better yet is the hottest. Oh and BTW Miami is FAAAR from stacked they are small and and have guys that are past there prime. U saw against Brooklyn,NY and Atlanta not to mention close victories against average teams this team like Lebron is on cruise control but they are not dominating cause supporting cast not good enough to do so unless playing at the top of their games.

[Budadiiii]

Really cause Lebron is BY FAR the most polarizing figure in the NBA(love him or hate him) so there goes the theory of people not caring. As far as Best Durant is playing like Rocky going after apollo with the Eye of the Tiger while LEbron is Coasting and Conserving til the Games Really mean something. If U can't understand that your a moron. Durant has played lights out no doubt but LEbron Brings more to the table so don't confuse best Player with Player who is playing the best or better yet is the hottest. Oh and BTW Miami is FAAAR from stacked they are small and and have guys that are past there prime. U saw against Brooklyn,NY and Atlanta not to mention close victories against average teams this team like Lebron is on cruise control but they are not dominating cause supporting cast not good enough to do so unless playing at the top of their games.
Durant is likable and the better player.

He will have a lot more fans than Bron. America already agrees with me.

Why would people care about a guy who lolly gags through the regular season? That's what you're saying right? He's 'coasting' ?

That's another HUGE negative on his resume'. Durant is playing his ass off night in and night out and willing his team to W's in a much more competitive conference.


If the Heat don't win it all this year it will be an epic fail. They have by far the most talent/experience top to bottom, in the worst conference ever, and their players will be fresh because they're not even playing hard.

Wade and Bosh will get killed if they're not able to lead their team to the ship this year.

[Kingwillball]

Durant is likable and the better player.

He will have a lot more fans than Bron. America already agrees with me.

Why would people care about a guy who lolly gags through the regular season? That's what you're saying right? He's 'coasting' ?

That's another HUGE negative on his resume'. Durant is playing his ass off night in and night out and willing his team to W's in a much more competitive conference.


If the Heat don't win it all this year it will be an epic fail. They have by far the most talent/experience top to bottom, in the worst conference ever, and their players will be fresh because they're not even playing hard.

Wade and Bosh will get killed if they're not able to lead their team to the ship this year.

I proved U wrong and your just talking out your A$$ with that response.

[NumberSix]

Durant is likable and the better player.

He will have a lot more fans than Bron. America already agrees with me.

Why would people care about a guy who lolly gags through the regular season? That's what you're saying right? He's 'coasting' ?

That's another HUGE negative on his resume'. Durant is playing his ass off night in and night out and willing his team to W's in a much more competitive conference.


If the Heat don't win it all this year it will be an epic fail. They have by far the most talent/experience top to bottom, in the worst conference ever, and their players will be fresh because they're not even playing hard.

Wade and Bosh will get killed if they're not able to lead their team to the ship this year.
Kiss my buns or you're a buns-hole.

[GoranDragon]

Fact: Lebron will end up higher on the all time list than both Durant and Kobe.

[knicksman]

Really cause Lebron is BY FAR the most polarizing figure in the NBA(love him or hate him) so there goes the theory of people not caring. As far as Best Durant is playing like Rocky going after apollo with the Eye of the Tiger while LEbron is Coasting and Conserving til the Games Really mean something. If U can't understand that your a moron. Durant has played lights out no doubt but LEbron Brings more to the table so don't confuse best Player with Player who is playing the best or better yet is the hottest. Oh and BTW Miami is FAAAR from stacked they are small and and have guys that are past there prime. U saw against Brooklyn,NY and Atlanta not to mention close victories against average teams this team like Lebron is on cruise control but they are not dominating cause supporting cast not good enough to do so unless playing at the top of their games.

only betas love lebron. but the world is full of betas:lol

[GoranDragon]

only betas love lebron. but the world is full of betas:lol
no alphas in the Knicks, so you don't know jack about alphas. MIA has 3 alphas.:pimp:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

whoever thinks Durant right now is better than LeBron is fcking retarded. one is going all out every game trying to set records and become relevant, while the other one is just coasting and trying new things and still has all-time great stats on GOAT efficency. also LeBron has upped his scoring in the last two weeks and he will contnue to do so and finish season with 27-28PPG on 58%+ FG,40% threes and 7 APG, 7 RPG. BOOK IT
Durant will finish with 30PPG on 50% and 4 APG,8 RPG.
will be very equal numbers.
Durant still deserves MVP because he gives more effort right now but thinking hes better than LeBron James is borderline insane:biggums: :wtf:

[knicksman]

no alphas in the Knicks, so you don't know jack about alphas. MIA has 3 alphas.:pimp:

yah fakkit bosh is an alpha:oldlol: clearly you have another definition of alpha

[GoranDragon]

whoever thinks Durant right now is better than LeBron is fcking retarded. one is going all out every game trying to set records and become relevant, while the other one is just coasting and trying new things and still has all-time great stats on GOAT efficency. also LeBron has upped his scoring in the last two weeks and he will contnue to do so and finish season with 27-28PPG on 58%+ FG,40% threes and 7 APG, 7 RPG. BOOK IT
Durant will finish with 30PPG on 50% and 4 APG,8 RPG.
will be very equal numbers.
Durant still deserves MVP because he gives more effort right now but thinking hes better than LeBron James is borderline insane:biggums: :wtf:
I agree.

[GoranDragon]

yah fakkit bosh is an alpha:oldlol: clearly you have another definition of alpha
You would jump on Bosh's wagon if he's on the Knicks.:oldlol:

[Budadiiii]

I proved U wrong and your just talking out your A$$ with that response.
I didn't read your block of text TBH.

Durant the best in the world and America agrees.

You're bringing teams and coaches in to this to prop your idol. :sleeping

[Budadiiii]

I agree.
You've already states that Durant is better.

So you agree with him calling you a retard? :facepalm

[knicksman]

You would jump on Bosh's wagon if he's on the Knicks.:oldlol:

LOL im not a beta like you

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I didn't read your block of text TBH.

Durant the best in the world and America agrees.

You're bringing teams and coaches in to this to prop your idol. :sleeping
CoastBron>>GoingAllOutRant

[Budadiiii]

CoastBron>>GoingAllOutRant
Stats and eye test say otherwise.

Also, I have America on my side.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/08/13/1226448/821663-durant.jpg

[outbreak]

Op doesn't know what undisputed means considering all the dispute that's gone on...

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Stats and eye test say otherwise.

Also, I have America on my side.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/08/13/1226448/821663-durant.jpg
yeah the same country that voted bush for president 2 times:cheers:

[MMM]

Kobe was better from 05-08 with Duncan, Paul and KG being in the mix
LeBron and Kobe were pretty evenly matched from 08-10
LeBron has been better from 10-current
Starting next season is when Durant can fully establish himself as the best player

Peak Kobe might not have been as dominant as LeBron but to be fair if LeBron was running up against peak kobe, TD and KG than it might be a different story.

[sportjames23]

whoever thinks Durant right now is better than LeBron is fcking retarded. one is going all out every game trying to set records and become relevant, while the other one is just coasting and trying new things and still has all-time great stats on GOAT efficency. also LeBron has upped his scoring in the last two weeks and he will contnue to do so and finish season with 27-28PPG on 58%+ FG,40% threes and 7 APG, 7 RPG. BOOK IT
Durant will finish with 30PPG on 50% and 4 APG,8 RPG.
will be very equal numbers.
Durant still deserves MVP because he gives more effort right now but thinking hes better than LeBron James is borderline insane:biggums: :wtf:

This nikka caught mad feels. :oldlol:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

This nikka caught mad feels. :oldlol:
jordan is retired. u mad?:coleman:

[GoranDragon]

sportjames23 stuck in the past.:lol

Threatened by new generations like Lebron and Durant.:D

[havoc33]

Lebron has not been been the best player in the league for 9 years, and neither has Durant yet dethroned him. Durant is having a better season, but that does not mean he is a better player yet.

Kobe was the best player in the league from 2004-2009. Since then it's been Lebron.

[Budadiiii]

I'm a basketball fan. All these stans latching on to one player make me ****ing laugh. :oldlol:

Enjoy the game kids.

Magic had his time.. Bird had his.... Jordan had his... Shaq had his.... Kobe/Duncan had theirs... and now Durant has his...

I'm a fan of each and every one of those guys.

[GoranDragon]

I'm a basketball fan. All these stans latching on to one player make me ****ing laugh. :oldlol:

Enjoy the game kids.

Magic had his time.. Bird had his.... Jordan had his... Shaq had his.... Kobe/Duncan had theirs... and now Durant has his...

I'm a fan of each and every one of those guys.
Funny you didn't mention Lebron having his time. Dat subliminal jab.:lol

[Budadiiii]

Funny you didn't mention Lebron having his time. Dat subliminal jab.:lol
I feel like the LeBron is John Cena or Justin Bieber to the NBA... he doesn't have that old-school competitive mindset.

He cares way too much about his image and has low character.

Great talent but never been a fan of his. Durant being the face of the league is best for the NBA moving forward.... I think even you would agree with me here.

[GoranDragon]

I feel like the LeBron is John Cena or Justin Bieber to the NBA... he doesn't have that old-school competitive mindset.

He cares way too much about his image and has low character.

Great talent but never been a fan of his. Durant being the face of the league is best for the NBA moving forward.... I think even you would agree with me here.
Durant won't sustain as "face" of the NBA for long. I'm seeing Anthony Davis as the next big thing. Durant is merely transitional superstar.


Btw, this is a Lebron thread meant to appreciate Lebron's dominance throughout the years. We have enough Durant threads.

[wildchild]

Lebron's a pu$$y ass pha99ot. Needed to join two superstars to win a championship only to choke against Mavericks, team full of Players who should be retiring. What's more? He almost choked 2013 finals only saved by his team mate Ray Allen. 1 championship in Cleveland > 2 of his joke championship in Miami.

OP is a pha99ot too much like his idol lebron. Lebron has only been the bestplayer in 2012 and 2013. His soul was owned by Kobe. He purposely lose 2009 ECF to duck Kobe. He knew Kobe will school him. He wants no part of the embarrassment Kobe would show him on national TV.

The league was dead when he's getting his asteriks trophies. Everyone in motha****in America and the world knows that his trophy is cheap. Full of asterisks. Big fckin Asterisks. He was the laughing stock of the world in 2011. Choked big time. Lebron James is the greatest bullcrap story that has ever been told.

Put Lebron James name beside the likes of Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal. It would be the biggest comedy ever told. Lebron's name doesn't fit in. It's pure comedy. Great way to make yourself laugh if you're sad.

All real basketball fans are starting to enjoy basketball again. We're lucky we have our savior Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant will save the NBA from LeFraud James. 2011 - 2012, 2013 - 2014 NBA didn't exist. No Champions were crowned during the said period.

Glad I found this website. **** you Lebron Fans. You're pu$$y for praising another pu$$y.

[Indian guy]

Kobe was the best player in the league from 2004-2009. Since then it's been Lebron.

The ****? :oldlol:

Was Kobe even Top 5 in 2004 and 2005? I'd say barely in 2004(trailing Shaq/TD/KG) and definitely not in 2005. His reign as best player was 2006-2008, with 09-13 being LeBron, although I certainly wouldn't call him the best in 2011, and 2012 is debatable.

As far as this season's concerned, Durant's obviously having a better season than anyone, but I'll wait for more of the season to pass before deciding on whether he's better than a fully engaged LeBron.

[GoranDragon]

Lebron's a pu$$y ass pha99ot. Needed to join two superstars to win a championship only to choke against Mavericks, team full of Players who should be retiring. What's more? He almost choked 2013 finals only saved by his team mate Ray Allen. 1 championship in Cleveland > 2 of his joke championship in Miami.

OP is a pha99ot too much like his idol lebron. Lebron has only been the bestplayer in 2012 and 2013. His soul was owned by Kobe. He purposely lose 2009 ECF to duck Kobe. He knew Kobe will school him. He wants no part of the embarrassment Kobe would show him on national TV.

The league was dead when he's getting his asteriks trophies. Everyone in motha****in America and the world knows that his trophy is cheap. Full of asterisks. Big fckin Asterisks. He was the laughing stock of the world in 2011. Choked big time. Lebron James is the greatest bullcrap story that has ever been told.

Put Lebron James name beside the likes of Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal. It would be the biggest comedy ever told. Lebron's name doesn't fit in. It's pure comedy. Great way to make yourself laugh if you're sad.

All real basketball fans are starting to enjoy basketball again. We're lucky we have our savior Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant will save the NBA from LeFraud James. 2011 - 2012, 2013 - 2014 NBA didn't exist. No Champions were crowned during the said period.

Glad I found this website. **** you Lebron Fans. You're pu$$y for praising another pu$$y.
reported. ban please.

[ImKobe]

Lebron was the best player in 06 and 07? Child please. 2009 and 2010 I'd give it to Lebron due to Kobe coasting in the regular season when Lebron was in a similar situation as Durant, 2011 clearly not the best player, he wasn't the best player on his own team, not to mention the Finals series, 2012 and 2013 you can give it to Bron, 2014 is Durant's year.

[GoranDragon]

I agree 2014 may be Durant's year. But Lebron will make a comeback.:pimp:

[knicksman]

Lebron's a pu$$y ass pha99ot. Needed to join two superstars to win a championship only to choke against Mavericks, team full of Players who should be retiring. What's more? He almost choked 2013 finals only saved by his team mate Ray Allen. 1 championship in Cleveland > 2 of his joke championship in Miami.

OP is a pha99ot too much like his idol lebron. Lebron has only been the bestplayer in 2012 and 2013. His soul was owned by Kobe. He purposely lose 2009 ECF to duck Kobe. He knew Kobe will school him. He wants no part of the embarrassment Kobe would show him on national TV.

The league was dead when he's getting his asteriks trophies. Everyone in motha****in America and the world knows that his trophy is cheap. Full of asterisks. Big fckin Asterisks. He was the laughing stock of the world in 2011. Choked big time. Lebron James is the greatest bullcrap story that has ever been told.

Put Lebron James name beside the likes of Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal. It would be the biggest comedy ever told. Lebron's name doesn't fit in. It's pure comedy. Great way to make yourself laugh if you're sad.

All real basketball fans are starting to enjoy basketball again. We're lucky we have our savior Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant will save the NBA from LeFraud James. 2011 - 2012, 2013 - 2014 NBA didn't exist. No Champions were crowned during the said period.

Glad I found this website. **** you Lebron Fans. You're pu$$y for praising another pu$$y.

betas would even settle for fake belts:oldlol:

[knicksman]

sportjames23 stuck in the past.:lol

Threatened by new generations like Lebron and Durant.:D

dont lump lebron with durant. Lebron is just a transitional talent.

[GoranDragon]

dont lump lebron with durant. Lebron is just a transitional talent.
2 rings 2 FMVPs 4 MVPs doesn't suggest "transitional" to me. You still bitter Lebron didn't go to NY and you ended up with Fatmelo.:oldlol:

[wildchild]

reported. ban please.

ban for speaking the truth? Even you Lebron fans know that his championships were cheap. Compare him to the real legends, MJ, Kareem, Bird, Magic... his name would be a laughing stock. Put Kobe's name with those guys you have another legend "RESPECT". Lebron doesn't get any Respect from "REAL" basketball fans because he pu$$ied out on the biggest stage, the grandest stage where legends are born with bright lights shining on him. Instead he joined 2 superstars, then Choked again. Win 2012, but WTF, no real basketball fan cared, did someone cared for him? no! ahh yes, His fans, pansy fans. People know that he didn't win honorably. 2013 he almost choked again, only to be saved from being the laughing stock of the world again. Courtesy of Ray Allen

Respect is earned not given. Championships is earned not given. Your hero is the vice versa of those. Given not Earned.

RESPECT & HONOR, Lebron doesn't have those.

MJ - RESPECT & HONOR
KOBE - RESPECT & HONOR
Basketball Legends - RESPECT & HONOR
Jason Terry - RESPECT :bowdown:

meanwhile

Lebron - Laughing stock of the world.

[knicksman]

2 rings 2 FMVPs 4 MVPs doesn't suggest "transitional" to me. You still bitter Lebron didn't go to NY and you ended up with Fatmelo.:oldlol:

a red carpet to be stomped by the generational talent:lol

[wildchild]

betas would even settle for fake belts:oldlol:

**** YEAH! Lebron james, most pansy athlete ever. No else comes close.

[poido123]

This Gorandragon guy makes shit threads.

9 years my ass :oldlol:

[GoranDragon]

Lebron rustling people's jimmies as usual.:oldlol:

[DaSeba5]

This implies LeBron is no longer the best player in the world. I don't live only in the moment like many of you do.

[GoranDragon]

This implies LeBron is no longer the best player in the world. I don't live only in the moment like many of you do.
You restored my faith in Lebron fellow Heat fan.:cheers:

[Bush4Ever]

Considering he is the most recent title and MVP winner AND considering his individual performance this year is not HUGELY removed from Durant, you have to consider Lebron to be the best until Durant wins big. IMO.

People who say Durant is the best now, are jumping the gun quite a bit. The bigger, more relevant piece of the pie is the playoffs, where the data at the moment is obviously not available.

[GoranDragon]

Considering he is the most recent title and MVP winner AND considering his individual performance this year is not HUGELY removed from Durant, you have to consider Lebron to be the best until Durant wins big. IMO.

People who say Durant is the best now, are jumping the gun quite a bit. The bigger, more relevant piece of the pie is the playoffs, where the data at the moment is obviously not available.
Fair enough. Good poster.:applause: :cheers:

[DaSeba5]

Considering he is the most recent title and MVP winner AND considering his individual performance this year is not HUGELY removed from Durant, you have to consider Lebron to be the best until Durant wins big. IMO.

People who say Durant is the best now, are jumping the gun quite a bit. The bigger, more relevant piece of the pie is the playoffs, where the data at the moment is obviously not available.

Agreed

[knicksman]

Considering he is the most recent title and MVP winner AND considering his individual performance this year is not HUGELY removed from Durant, you have to consider Lebron to be the best until Durant wins big. IMO.

People who say Durant is the best now, are jumping the gun quite a bit. The bigger, more relevant piece of the pie is the playoffs, where the data at the moment is obviously not available.

except that lebron is already proven as crap in the playoffs so he formed a superteam

[GoranDragon]

except that lebron is already proven as crap in the playoffs so he formed a superteam
"proven as crap in the playoffs"....wins back to back rings and FMVPs.


ok knicksman.:roll:

[knicksman]

"proven as crap in the playoffs"....wins back to back rings and FMVPs.


ok knicksman.:roll:

where was lebron b4 miami? Oh yeah losing against underdog teams

[Lebron23]

Hey Knicksman. You need to change your username to $hitman. You are a terrible poster, and you even created your wildchild account.

[GoranDragon]

where was lebron b4 miami? Oh yeah losing against underdog teams
Leading a crappy Cavs team to 60+ wins season and also a finals appearance.

Where was Melo b4 Knicks? Oh wait, he's still sh1t in NY.:lol

[Bush4Ever]

except that lebron is already proven as crap in the playoffs so he formed a superteam

No, Lebron in Cleveland was generally excellent in the playoffs, playing with (at best) a C-level cast.

No one in history has won a title with such a mediocre cast.

There are marks against Lebron (the Mavs Final being the biggest), but that is true for every legend of the game.

[Lebron23]

where was lebron b4 miami? Oh yeah losing against underdog teams


How about your hero Kobe?? Where was Kobe before Gasol? Oh yeah getting his @$$ kicked against the no defense Suns in the first round of the playoffs.

[GoranDragon]

No, Lebron in Cleveland was generally excellent in the playoffs, playing with (at best) a C-level cast.

No one in history has won a title with such a mediocre cast.

There are marks against Lebron (the Mavs Final being the biggest), but that is true for every legend of the game.
Magic had his "Tragic Johnson" failures.

Jordan had his "Bad Boys" failures.

Kareem needed rookie Magic to win big.

Kobe had his 3 straight air balls, 6/24 game 7, quitting against the Suns.

Yes every legend had their fair share of losing.

[Angel Face]

How about your hero Kobe?? Where was Kobe before Gasol? Oh yeah getting his @$$ kicked against the no defense Suns in the first round of the playoffs.

Kobe was 3x Champion before Gasol.

What about Lebron? Where is he before he colluded?

Crying in the corner.

After he colluded?

Still crying in the corner. Being laugh at by JJ Barea.

[GoranDragon]

Kobe was 3x Champion before Gasol.
Shaq was THE 3x Champion. Kobe just a supporting cast.

[Lebron23]

Kobe was 3x Champion before Gasol.

What about Lebron? Where is he before he colluded?

Crying in the corner.

After he colluded?

Still crying in the corner. Being laugh at by JJ Barea.

Zero Finals MVP Poido123. He only had 1 good finals performance from 2000-02 to 2004.

[GoranDragon]

Lebron lurking around in Angel Face's head. Messing with dat mental state.:lol

[Angel Face]

Shaq was THE 3x Champion. Kobe just a supporting cast.

Team's called Los Angeles Lakers, not Los Angeles Shaq.

[Angel Face]

Zero Finals MVP Poido123. He only had 1 good finals performance from 2000-02 to 2004.

still 3x champion. :applause:

[GoranDragon]

Team's called Los Angeles Lakers, not Los Angeles Shaq.
Who was Finals MVP during Lakers 3-peat?

Shaquille O'Neal - 3 Finals MVP out of 4 rings (75% alpha)
Lebron James - 2 Finals MVP out of 2 rings (100% alpha)
Kobe Bryant - 2 Finals MVP out of 5 rings (40% alpha :lol)

[knicksman]

How about your hero Kobe?? Where was Kobe before Gasol? Oh yeah getting his @$$ kicked against the no defense Suns in the first round of the playoffs.

those suns teams would swept lebrons ass:oldlol:


oh btw they had the lebron stopper

boris "fatman" diaw

[knicksman]

Who was Finals MVP during Lakers 3-peat?

Shaquille O'Neal - 3 Finals MVP out of 4 rings
Lebron James - 2 Finals MVP out of 2 rings
Kobe Bryant - 2 Finals MVP out of 5 rings:lol

ringchaser rings

kobe-0
lebron-2

[Angel Face]

Who was Finals MVP during Lakers 3-peat?

Shaquille O'Neal - 3 Finals MVP out of 4 rings (75% alpha)
Lebron James - 2 Finals MVP out of 2 rings (100% alpha)
Kobe Bryant - 2 Finals MVP out of 5 rings (40% alpha :lol)

Lebron James - 2* finals MVP out of 4 attempts with 2* rings. Wade made him a sidekick in Miami, he cost them 1 championship and Wade's FMVP 2011. Saved by Ray Allen 2013.

[Frozen1]

If Lebron drops 40 on OKC and shut down Durant, all his good games will go to garbage, and the media will jump on it

[GoranDragon]

ringchaser rings

kobe-0
lebron-2
Lebron has the same amount of championships as your entire organization. You seem bitter.

[nathanjizzle]

uh, rose played better than lebron in 2011

[GoranDragon]

uh, rose played better than lebron in 2011
Rose was exposed when he got shut down by Lebron in the playoffs.

Dat 6% FG. Dat fearless PG mentality.:bowdown: :bowdown:

[knicksman]

Lebron has the same amount of championships as your entire organization. You seem bitter.

Goran lost to the knicks:oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

Rose was exposed when he got shut down by Lebron in the playoffs.

Dat 6% FG. Dat fearless PG mentality.:bowdown: :bowdown:

and he went down shooting, he took the last shot over lebron and wade. unlike some other scared guy that didnt even want to play at all in the 2011 finals. Dat supposedly "GOAT" player.:bowdown::bowdown:

[GoranDragon]

and he went down shooting, he took the last shot over lebron and wade. unlike some other scared guy that didnt even want to play at all in the 2011 finals. Dat supposedly "GOAT" player.:bowdown::bowdown:
2011 was a much needed wake-up call for Lebron to fully realised his potential to be GOAT. It was a lesson well learned. No regrets, no worries.:pimp:

[ripthekik]

Lebron 2 rings with 2 all star teammates help
Kobe 5 rings with 1 all star teammate help

when are ya'll lebron stans gonna realize this :roll: :roll:
Stacked is not just a description anymore.. this number proves it.

[Angel Face]

and he went down shooting, he took the last shot over lebron and wade. unlike some other scared guy that didnt even want to play at all in the 2011 finals. Dat supposedly "GOAT" player.:bowdown::bowdown:

Man... He was shook, look at his face, looks like he doesn't want to be in there.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

[GoranDragon]

I admitted that this season is Durant's. Why still hate on Lebron? Lebron CLEARLY the best player in the last 20 years bar none, why hate on greatness?

[ArbitraryWater]

2006 and 2007 is probably Dirk, next after is close with Kobe/LeBron/Wade or even Nash.

2008 is Kobe/LeBron and ever since 2008/2009 LeBron was been the best.
2011 is LeBron/Dirk though.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron 2 rings with 2 all star teammates help
Kobe 5 rings with 1 all star teammate help

when are ya'll lebron stans gonna realize this :roll: :roll:
Stacked is not just a description anymore.. this number proves it.

Because every all star is equal right?

[GoranDragon]

Lebron 2 rings with 2 all star teammates help
Kobe 5 rings with 7 all star teammate help

when are ya'll lebron stans gonna realize this :roll: :roll:
Stacked is not just a description anymore.. this number proves it.
Fixed. Kobe had team-mates like: Shaq, Gasol, Bynum, Malone, Payton, Nash, and Howard who are all top tier superstars and all-stars.

[ripthekik]

Fixed. Kobe had team-mates like: Shaq, Gasol, Bynum, Malone, Payton, Nash, and Howard who are all top tier superstars and all-stars.
They were still all stars when playing with kobe? :lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[GoranDragon]

They were still all stars when playing with kobe? :lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:
I bet you creamed your pants when Nash and Howard joined the Lakers. You must have been thinking of a 6th ring for Kobe. But NO, Kobe had to ruin a superteam with his "leadership":roll: :roll: :roll:

[ripthekik]

I bet you creamed your pants when Nash and Howard joined the Lakers. You must have been thinking of a 6th ring for Kobe. But NO, Kobe had to ruin a superteam with his "leadership":roll: :roll: :roll:
New kids who started watching basketball in the last few years like you would get excited. Any smart basketball fan knew nash was washed up.. Dwight was useless. This ain't no superteam, Kobe still had to carry them so much he injured himself :oldlol:

[GoranDragon]

New kids who started watching basketball in the last few years like you would get excited. Any smart basketball fan knew nash was washed up.. Dwight was useless. This ain't no superteam, Kobe still had to carry them so much he injured himself :oldlol:
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/06/dwight-howard-stay-with-lakers.jpg

[ripthekik]

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/06/dwight-howard-stay-with-lakers.jpg
doesn't change anything. Would've been great to sign him and flip him off for some better player.

[HOoopCityJones]

:roll:


http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/06/dwight-howard-stay-with-lakers.jpg

Laughing at you right now.

You posted this as a retort? Whatever stupid move Jimmy makes, we don't have any control over.

:banghead: <-----Laker fans about anything concerning Dwight by mid season.


We were asking to trade em since last year's Allstar game.

[ImKobe]

2006 and 2007 is probably Dirk, next after is close with Kobe/LeBron/Wade or even Nash.

2008 is Kobe/LeBron and ever since 2008/2009 LeBron was been the best.
2011 is LeBron/Dirk though.


Best player does not put up 18 ppg in the Finals and disappear in every 4th quarter and get killed by Jason Terry :facepalm . Wade was the best player on the Heat team in that series, 27 7 5 on 55% shooting with 1.5 spg and 1.5 bpg :applause:

[GoranDragon]

Best player does not put up 18 ppg in the Finals and disappear in every 4th quarter and get killed by Jason Terry :facepalm . Wade was the best player on the Heat team in that series, 27 7 5 on 55% shooting with 1.5 spg and 1.5 bpg :applause:
1 bad series doesn't mean he's not the best player on the planet at that moment. Cuban would trade the entire Mavs roster for Lebron in a heartbeat.

[HOoopCityJones]

LOL I bet if you ask Dirk who was better since 04 and he'll say Kobe.

They all say Kobe.

Even Dwade said , "this Era of Basketball is lead by Kobe Bryant."

You lames think your mancrush is gonna change that?

[GoranDragon]

LOL I bet if you ask Dirk who was better since 04 and he'll say Kobe.

They all say Kobe.

Even Dwade said , this Era of Basketball is lead by Kobe Bryant.

You lames think your mancrush is gonna change that?
Those players are insecure, they said Kobe because they knew Kobe won't be that high on the all time ranking - top 15 at best. Lebron left a much more dominating impression on fellow NBA players that they AVOID mentioning his name in respect to his future stature.

[HOoopCityJones]

:oldlol: Sure they did bro.


Those players are insecure, they said Kobe because they knew Kobe won't be that high on the all time ranking - top 15 at best. Lebron left a much more dominating impression on fellow NBA players that they AVOID mentioning his name in respect to his future stature.

:rolleyes: You realize how deranged you stans sound when you say this?

Ask any NBA Legend , they either say Kobe is Top 5-10.

You think some stan who has Lebron pasted on the lenses of his shades can even comprehend an all time player?

You guys literally think Lebron is the best you've ever seen, which is sad really.:cry:

[GoranDragon]

:oldlol: Sure they did bro.



:rolleyes: You realize how deranged you stans sound when you say this?

Ask any NBA Legend , they either say Kobe is Top 5-10.

You think some stan who has Lebron pasted on the lenses of his shades can even comprehend an all time player?

You guys literally think Lebron is the best you've ever seen, which is sad really.:cry:
Sorry but after Durant is done, Kobe is top 15 AT BEST.

Lebron has been regarded as the BEST player, most likely to equal MJ by prominent legends like Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen.

[HOoopCityJones]

Sorry but after Durant is done, Kobe is top 15 AT BEST.

Lebron has been regarded as the BEST player, most likely to equal MJ by prominent legends like Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen.

You mean Scottie Pippen who has the ultimate agenda against Jordan?

Or Barkley who changes his opinion about the best every month?


Larry Bird's favorite player is Kobe Bryant.

Enough said.

[GoranDragon]

You mean Scottie Pippen who has the ultimate agenda against Jordan?

Or Barley who changes his opinion about the best every month.


Larry Bird's favorite player is Kobe Bryant.

Enough said.
Larry Bird obviously is insecure about Lebron possibly/already being the best SF of all time.


P.S: favorite player =/= better player

[GoranDragon]

Quotes, all you got :cheers:
He said this...he said that...:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

[ArbitraryWater]

He said this...he said that...:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

the actual on court performance doesnt make too good of an argument

[HOoopCityJones]

Larry Bird obviously is insecure about Lebron possibly/already being the best SF of all time.


P.S: favorite player =/= better player

Yea, Larry Bird is so insecure he doesn't give 5 shits what anyone thinks.

:applause:

:roll: I'm laughing at you clowns.

[GoranDragon]

Yea, Larry Bird is so insecure he doesn't give 5 shits what anyone thinks.

:applause:

:roll: I'm laughing at you clowns.
laugh all you want bro. that's what Kobe fans need right now, some form of salvation before their hero slowly fades away:oldlol:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Yea, Larry Bird is so insecure he doesn't give 5 shits what anyone thinks.

:applause:

:roll: I'm laughing at you clowns.
you have absolutely no clue about basketball.
typical Lakers clown:oldlol:

[SavageMode]

This. Lebron realistically has surpassed him, a 3rd title/fmvp puts a lock on it.
Realistically, 1 more ring and 1 more FMVP puts Lebron in Top 5.

[GoranDragon]

Realistically, 1 more ring and 1 more FMVP puts Lebron in Top 5.
Which makes it a 8-9 gap between Lebron and Kobe. Wow, no wonder jimmies are rustled. Kobe stans preparing for the apocalypse.:oldlol:

[ripthekik]

2 little kids agreeing with each other.. just because you guys engage in a circle jerk, doesn't mean your make believe world is true guys :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lebron = top 15
Lebron 2 rings with 2 all star teammates

Unchangeable facts.

Kobe 5 rings 1 all star teammate. :confusedshrug:

[GoranDragon]

2 little kids agreeing with each other.. just because you guys engage in a circle jerk, doesn't mean your make believe world is true guys :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lebron = top 15
Lebron 2 rings with 2 all star teammates

Unchangeable facts.

Kobe 5 rings 1 all star teammate. :confusedshrug:
Go back to your wake. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323368)

[HOoopCityJones]

you have absolutely no clue about basketball.
typical Lakers clown:oldlol:

Ya got me. :confusedshrug:

[Stringer Bell]

2008-09 is when he became the best player.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Realistically, 1 more ring and 1 more FMVP puts Lebron in Top 5.
http://s29.postimg.org/k3jw9m307/image.jpg

[ralph_i_el]

until now.

Best player in the league in 2005-2006 2006-2007 2007-2008 2008-2009 2009-2010 2010-2011 2011-2012 2012-2013.


We had a good run.:applause: :applause: :applause:


Kevin Durant can have the spotlight for now. We coming for him in the playoffs and next season.:mad:

How can it be undisputed if we are all here disputing it?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

http://s29.postimg.org/k3jw9m307/image.jpg
Wilt is another player who comfartably sits on the Olymp while kobe fails to climb a 300 foot mountain:lol

[Bcogswell]

LeBron has not been the undisputed best player for 9 years.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[K Xerxes]

Undisputed best player in 2012 and 2013. Consensus best player from 2009.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron has been the UNDISPUTED best since 2007 arguably 2006.
whoever says anything else is delusional:applause: :applause:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Undisputed best player in 2012 and 2013. Consensus best player from 2009.
This

[CelticBaller]

http://s29.postimg.org/k3jw9m307/image.jpg
:oldlol:

[SpecialQue]

Much like OP's mouth in a Frisco bathhouse, my Ignore List is filling up nicely.

[BlackVVaves]

9? :oldlol:

[PsychoBe]

http://www.nba.com/video/all_decade/2010/02/15/20100214_alldecade_kobe.nba/

^kobe player of the decade with 54% votes.

he had more votes than the rest of the nominees combined.

[SpecialQue]

http://www.nba.com/video/all_decade/2010/02/15/20100214_alldecade_kobe.nba/

^kobe player of the decade with 54% votes.

he had more votes than the rest of the nominees combined.

But but but Lebron!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Riley Martin]

2014: Durant
2013: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2011: LeBron
2010: LeBron
2009: LeBron
2008: Kobe
2007: Duncan
2006: Kobe
2005: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2003: Duncan
2002: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2000: Shaq

[BlackVVaves]

Undisputed best player in 2012 and 2013. Consensus best player from 2009.

This. Though I think you could apply undisputed to 2009 and 2010 as well. The only consensus year would be 2011, because though I think he was the best player still, other players had more valuable years (Dwight, Wade).

Calling LeBron the undisputed best in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 is pure convoluted, stanhood logic.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2014: Undecided till Reg Season / Playoffs finish

2013: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2011: LeBron / Wade / D12 / Dirk / Rose
2010: LeBron / Kobe
2009: LeBron / Wade / Kobe
2008: Kobe
2007: Kobe / Dirk / Wade (pre-injury)
2006: Kobe / Dirk
2005: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2003: Duncan
2002: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2000: Shaq
1999: Duncan
1998: MJ
1997: MJ
1996: MJ
1995: Hakeem
1994: Hakeem
1993: MJ
1992: MJ
1991: MJ
1990: MJ
1989: MJ
1988: MJ / Magic
1987: Magic
1986: Bird
1985: Bird
1984: Bird

[KirbyPls]

2014: Undecided till Reg Season / Playoffs finish

2013: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2011: LeBron / Wade / D12 / Dirk / Rose
2010: LeBron / Kobe
2009: LeBron / Wade / Kobe
2008: Kobe
2007: Kobe / Dirk / Wade (pre-injury)
2006: Kobe / Dirk
2005: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2003: Duncan
2002: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2000: Shaq
1999: Duncan
1998: MJ
1997: MJ
1996: MJ
1995: Hakeem
1994: Hakeem
1993: MJ
1992: MJ
1991: MJ
1990: MJ
1989: MJ
1988: MJ / Magic
1987: Magic
1986: Bird
1985: Bird
1984: Bird

Agree.

[GoranDragon]

Don't bring MJ into this, we all know he's GOAT in his era.

Lebron and MJ are the 2 greatest player we've seen in the last 50 years of NBA.:bowdown:

[Black and White]

Don't bring MJ into this, we all know he's GOAT in his era.

Lebron and MJ are the 2 greatest player we've seen in the last 50 years of NBA.:bowdown:

Kareem? Shaq? Bird? Magic? don't they get some credit?

[TheMarkMadsen]

06,07,08 no argument for Lebron

Kobe was still dominating playoffs and winning championships in 09 & 10

D Rose won MVP in 2011 and Lebron chocked in the finals.

12 & 13 for sure but the rest are debatable

[Droid101]

2006-Kobe, Dirk, KG and Wade were all better
2007-Kobe, Dirk, Timmy, KG and Nash were all better
2008-Kobe, KG, CP3 were all better
2009-Tossup between Lebron and Kobe
2010-Hard to say
2011-Dirk was easily the best player in the league he killed everyone, Wade was arguably better than Lebron
2012-Lebron was the best
2013-Lebron was the best
http://media2.giphy.com/media/b9aScKLxdv0Y0/giphy.gif

[GoranDragon]

Kareem? Shaq? Bird? Magic? don't they get some credit?
They do, as fellow 1st tier legends. But the clear cut above-and-better-than-everyone players are MJ and Lebron James.

[Black and White]

They do, as fellow 1st tier legends. But the clear cut above-and-better-than-everyone players are MJ and Lebron James.

I don't think there have been many players as dominant as Shaq, LeBron is a one in a lifetime freak of nature like talent though, but there are so many great players that have played in the last 50 years, it's hard to single 2 out like this. MJ is clear #1 tho.

[GoranDragon]

I don't think there have been many players as dominant as Shaq, LeBron is a one in a lifetime freak of nature like talent though, but there are so many great players that have played in the last 50 years, it's hard to single 2 out like this. MJ is clear #1 tho.
I would draft MJ and Lebron over Shaq anyday. Hell I'll take Duncan over Shaq in a draft.

[Black and White]

I would draft MJ and Lebron over Shaq anyday. Hell I'll take Duncan over Shaq in a draft.

Duncan over Shaq???? Really?

[knicksman]

Duncan over Shaq???? Really?

he will draft oscar and wilt over shaq too he said

[T_L_P]

Duncan over Shaq???? Really?

I would.

His peak was obvious way better, but Tim has the career consistency and ability to develop his players.

Not to mention Shaq couldn't get it done with teams better than any of Duncan's championship teams.

[GoranDragon]

Duncan over Shaq???? Really?
When I look at Shaq, I see Demarcus Cousins' attitude and mental flaws. Wasted potential is all Shaq is.

Lebron, MJ and Duncan will at least guarantee loyalty and stability to any team.

[Black and White]

When I look at Shaq, I see Demarcus Cousins' attitude and mental flaws. Wasted potential is all Shaq is.

Lebron, MJ and Duncan will at least guarantee loyalty and stability to any team.

Wasted potential??? We can just agree to disagree here, the cases I can see for Duncan are longevity and work ethic, but Shaq was a beast.

What about Hakeem? he was one of the greats in the past 50 years, the greatest post player we know.

[GoranDragon]

Wasted potential??? We can just agree to disagree here, the cases I can see for Duncan are longevity and work ethic, but Shaq was a beast.

What about Hakeem? he was one of the greats in the past 50 years, the greatest post player we know.
Shaq could've been a 8-9 rings talent. He underachieved big time.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lebron, MJ and Duncan will at least guarantee loyalty and stability to any team.
:biggums:

[Black and White]

Shaq could've been a 8-9 rings talent. He underachieved big time.

He has 4, so thats not too bad, he could have won more, which is true, doesn't stop us from talking about how dominant he was though.

[GoranDragon]

He has 4, so thats not too bad, he could have won more, which is true, doesn't stop us from talking about how dominant he was though.
Give Tim Duncan what Shaq was born with and see him dominate like Bill Russell, ending up with at least 8 rings. Shaq had all the tools and gifts in the world, but that mentality held him back.

[Magic 32]

These threads will only multiply if this is the start of the Durant era.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3BokuzemM1M/Tt4s3QdRE9I/AAAAAAAACIc/J_0ALLV9TPQ/s640/HDHuT.BlogSpot.com%2B%252818%2529.jpg

[Black and White]

Give Tim Duncan what Shaq was born with and see him dominate like Bill Russell, ending up with at least 8 rings. Shaq had all the tools and gifts in the world, but that mentality held him back.

Thats all hypothetical tho, end of the say, Shaq had those tools, and he still achieved a lot given most standards.

[GoranDragon]

Thats all hypothetical tho, end of the say, Shaq had those tools, and he still achieved a lot given most standards.
Well at least he led his team to a very impressive 3-peat almost single-handedly too.:cheers:

[Black and White]

Well at least he led his team to a very impressive 3-peat almost single-handedly too.:cheers:

:coleman:

[chazzy]

He was the best in 09, 10, 12, 13

[houston]

wild thread

[GoranDragon]

He was the best in 09, 10, 12, 13
You can argue his case for the other years.

[KG215]

:applause:

Sadly KD's stats will decrease when Chuckbrook comes back. And he's likely to get exposed against playoff caliber defense like how he got exposed against Memphis.
Are you being serious? You do realize his last playoff run with a healthy Westbrook was pretty damn good, right? So why would this version of Durant, who is noticeably better in every facet of the game, get "exposed" against playoff defenses this time around with a healthy Westbrook?

And I'm not reading all 11 pages of this thread, but did anyone else call out the OP for being a TonyMontana alt? Because TonyMontana made this exact same thread with the exact same title back in the summer.

[GoranDragon]

Are you being serious? You do realize his last playoff run with a healthy Westbrook was pretty damn good, right? So why would this version of Durant, who is noticeably better in every facet of the game, get "exposed" against playoff defenses this time around with a healthy Westbrook?
Westbrook was arguably the better player in the finals series against Miami. Dat 43 pt game 4.:bowdown: