For people who always bring up Bosh's playoff stats to belittle him:

[ripthekik]

Simple Question:
When MJ, Bird, and Magic played in the dream team, did they averaged the same stats as they did when they played in the NBA?

Let me do the research for yall:

Dream Team stats:
MJ: 15ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.8 apg
Magic: 8ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.5 apg
Bird: 8.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.8 apg

1992 NBA regular season stats
MJ: 32.6 ppg, 6.7 rpb, 5.5 apg
Magic: 19.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 12.5 apg (1991)
Bird: 20.2 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 6.8 apg

Now, here are the questions:
1: Why are these players averaging less stats?
2: Does that mean they are playing far below their level? Is having MJ on the team no longer like having the best player in the world because he doesn't have those stats anymore?
3: Bird is averaging mediocre stats NBA-wise. Does that mean he is a scrub?

After thinking about that, now maybe you'll understand why Bosh's stats is lower in a stacked team, and if he had the opportunity, he'd put up great stats again? :confusedshrug:

[GoranDragon]

Clear agenda. Yes Bosh is an all-star. But no he wasn't a "top 5 player" when Lebron recruited him.


And comparing a MIA team in the playoffs against real competition to the freakin' DREAM TEAM stats-wise is a joke. Dream Team were cruising against euro thrash and other weak teams.

[Mr Exlax]

The one thing you need to put up for Bosh is his FGA. That right there will silence his critics. As a big Bosh fan, he's played bad more times than good. I chalk that up to playing out of position more than anything.

[Trollsmasher]

OP confirming what we all think of him:applause:

[GoranDragon]

And he's not consistent enough to be considered a big factor in Lebron's success. Lebron EARNED his MVPs, rings, and FMVPs.

[moe94]

Yeah, most superstar bigs would shoot below 50% while scoring less than 15 points while having relatively lax defensive attention and open looks. Cut him some slack. .:rockon:

Meanwhile, Gasol was wack and got carried.

[ripthekik]

The one thing you need to put up for Bosh is his FGA. That right there will silence his critics. As a big Bosh fan, he's played bad more times than good. I chalk that up to playing out of position more than anything.
Absolutely. The system the heat have for him gives him little role on the offensive end. In fact I believe they do not even run any plays for him.

I simply have to post Bosh's stats when Lebron is out. It probably looks pretty great.


And he's not consistent enough to be considered a big factor in Lebron's success. Lebron EARNED his MVPs, rings, and FMVPs.
Lebron was GIVEN all his mvp (media), rings (2 all star teammates, ray allen shots)

People like you who belittle Bosh just to make lebron look good is sick. He is still absolutely a star today and would put up 20/10 easy as first/second option.

[GoranDragon]

rip give it up. Lebron has already solidified his place in the top 5 ranking. Question now is whether or not he's gonna be placed in the top 3.

Meanwhile, Kobe is outed by Durant, dropping into top 15.

[Andrei89]

^

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[GoranDragon]

Lebron was GIVEN all his mvp (media), rings (2 all star teammates, ray allen shots)

People like you who belittle Bosh just to make lebron look good is sick. He is still absolutely a star today and would put up 20/10 easy as first/second option.
So Kobe was GIVEN his MVP (singular:lol ), rings (Shaq carried:lol, 6/24 game 7)

People like you who belittle Gasol and Bynum just to make kobe look good is sick. They are still absolutely a star today and would put up 20/10 easy as first/second option.

[Blue&Orange]

Let me do the research for yall:

Dream Team stats:
MJ: 15ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.8 apg
Magic: 8ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.5 apg
Bird: 8.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.8 apg

Well that proves it, the Dream team wasn't stacked, and if Magic and Bird were really good why did they only average 8ppg?


Lebrontards are right! Heat aren't stacked and Wade and Bosh suck!

[ripthekik]

So, about 5 different lebron stans posted so far. None has yet even ATTEMPTED to answer my questions. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Maybe they typed it out only to see that it could be applied to Bosh and then deleted it? :confusedshrug:

Still waiting.

[moe94]

Waiting for what? The Dream Team comparison is pathetic and embarrassing.

[Blue&Orange]

rip give it up. Lebron has already solidified his place in the top 5 ranking.


Takes paycut to make it easy - check
Finds two other superstars willing to take a paycut to be his lapdog - check
The competition left, getting injured left and right - check
Opposition Coaches gifting him wins with head scratching mistakes - check
Plays in one of the the shittiest divisions ever hence getting homecourt - check
Weak defensive rules era - check
No centers era - check
Carried by the refs in 2012 - check
Carried by teammates while sitting on the bench with "cramps" after air balling - check
Faces youngest team ever in the finals - check
Faces oldest team ever in the finals - check
Bail out by Mike Miller, Battier and Ray Allen - check
Being carried by wade while scoring only in garbage time - check

Yep top5 for sure!!

[D-FENS]

Simple Question:
When MJ, Bird, and Magic played in the dream team, did they averaged the same stats as they did when they played in the NBA?

Let me do the research for yall:

Dream Team stats:
MJ: 15ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.8 apg
Magic: 8ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.5 apg
Bird: 8.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.8 apg

1992 NBA regular season stats
MJ: 32.6 ppg, 6.7 rpb, 5.5 apg
Magic: 19.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 12.5 apg (1991)
Bird: 20.2 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 6.8 apg

Now, here are the questions:
1: Why are these players averaging less stats?
2: Does that mean they are playing far below their level? Is having MJ on the team no longer like having the best player in the world because he doesn't have those stats anymore?
3: Bird is averaging mediocre stats NBA-wise. Does that mean he is a scrub?

After thinking about that, now maybe you'll understand why Bosh's stats is lower in a stacked team, and if he had the opportunity, he'd put up great stats again? :confusedshrug:

Bad comparison. Bird and Magic were both past their primes and injured.

Bosh is in his prime being out-rebounded by a small forward, and playing like a crap version of Horace Grant

[GoranDragon]

Waiting for what? The Dream Team comparison is pathetic and embarrassing.
ripthekik embarrassing Kobe fanbase with his pathetic attempts to discredit Lebron. Just sad.:oldlol: :hammerhead:

[Trollsmasher]

Waiting for what? The Dream Team comparison is pathetic and embarrassing.
More like retarded, but who would expect something better from the OP?

[ripthekik]

Waiting for what? The Dream Team comparison is pathetic and embarrassing.
Why? It's what happens when you put all stars together in one team. Ignore the comparison, how about you just answer the 3 questions? None of them has anything to do with the Heat.

[ripthekik]

Bad comparison. Bird and Magic were both past their primes and injured.

Bosh is in his prime being out-rebounded by a small forward, and playing like a crap version of Horace Grant
Past their primes? Yet look at their averages for the NBA season :roll:
Are you telling me past their primes is the reason for their statistical dropoff from NBA season to Olympics?

[GoranDragon]

Why? It's what happens when you put all stars together in one team. Ignore the comparison, how about you just answer the 3 questions? None of them has anything to do with the Heat.
Let me get this straight...In that measly brain of yours,

MJ - Lebron
Bird - Bosh
Magic - Wade

thus the retarded comparison.


Kobetard never fails to amaze.:lol :oldlol:

[Mr Exlax]

Rip the only thing is that we can't judge Bosh on what he has the ability of doing. We have to look at what he's actually doing. You can't just gloss over the fact that he's underperforming.

[Andrei89]

I cant help but laugh at Rip's poor attempts


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

You showed those people!!

[ripthekik]

Let me get this straight...In that measly brain of yours,

MJ - Lebron
Bird - Bosh
Magic - Wade

thus the retarded comparison.


Kobetard never fails to amaze.:lol :oldlol:
What's wrong with that? I'm simply comparing the top NBA stars. I'm not saying Bosh is Bird or anything like that. They're simply top stars in the league.
Or if you want, I could find stats of another big man on the dream team. Pretty sure his stats is much lower than his NBA stats. Will that make you happy?

A lot of lebron stans have posted, but can only throw childish insults or say irrelevant things. The 3 questions are pretty question and straight forward. None of them even have anything to do with the Heat. Why won't you guys attempt to answer them?

[GoranDragon]

I cant help but laugh at Rip's poor attempts


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Kid is shook at Lebron and Durant slowly surpassing Kobe.:oldlol:

[Andrei89]

You showed those people!!


He definitely showed them!!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[GoranDragon]

What's wrong with that? I'm simply comparing the top NBA stars. I'm not saying Bosh is Bird or anything like that. They're simply top stars in the league.
Or if you want, I could find stats of another big man on the dream team. Pretty sure his stats is much lower than his NBA stats. Will that make you happy?

A lot of lebron stans have posted, but can only throw childish insults or say irrelevant things. The 3 questions are pretty question and straight forward. None of them even have anything to do with the Heat. Why won't you guys attempt to answer them?
So according to you, the competition in the Olympics = playoffs competition?

Ok cool.:banana:

[Andrei89]

What's wrong with that? I'm simply comparing the top NBA stars. I'm not saying Bosh is Bird or anything like that. They're simply top stars in the league.
Or if you want, I could find stats of another big man on the dream team. Pretty sure his stats is much lower than his NBA stats. Will that make you happy?

A lot of lebron stans have posted, but can only throw childish insults or say irrelevant things. The 3 questions are pretty question and straight forward. None of them even have anything to do with the Heat. Why won't you guys attempt to answer them?


S
T
F
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Kid.

Your attempts are some of the worst I have seen in my life

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[ripthekik]

Kid is shook at Lebron and Durant slowly surpassing Kobe.:oldlol:
This guy posted 10 times in my thread and still refused to answer my three simple questions. Continues to throw out random statements. :oldlol:

Are you so desperate for attention little boy?
I guess lebron stans can't even answer these 3 simple questions at all because it's so obvious :oldlol:

[moe94]

rip can't lose.

If Bosh beasts, stacked team
If Bosh plays bad, it's LeBron's fault and the inner superstar is dormant

Why do we keep entertaining this?

[Trollsmasher]

Bird at the Olympics - 52% FG
Bosh in the last year's PO - 46% FG

OP would've have had a point if Bosh managed to score efficiently on his low attempts (like Birdman for example).

There is also no way you can justify averaging 3,6 DRB against a terrible offensive team like Indiana.

[ripthekik]

I see plenty of flustered lebron stans in this thread. Why is that?
I have no interest in petty argument and attacking each other.
Let's get serious:

Answer the three simple questions, they have nothing to do with the Heat:

Now, here are the questions:
1: Why are these players averaging less stats?
2: Does that mean they are playing far below their level? Is having MJ on the team no longer like having the best player in the world because he doesn't have those stats anymore?
3: Bird is averaging mediocre stats NBA-wise. Does that mean he is a scrub?

[ArbitraryWater]

rip can't lose.

If Bosh beasts, stacked team
If Bosh plays bad, it's LeBron's fault and the inner superstar is dormant

Why do we keep entertaining this?


Why do the Mods? Jeff cmon :rant

[Andrei89]

How did it feel when Lebron got his first chip mate?

http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/leave-britney-alone45912506089353374.jpeg

[ripthekik]

Bird at the Olympics - 73% FG
Bosh in the last year's PO - 46% FG

OP would've have had a point if Bosh managed to score efficiently on his low attempts (like Birdman for example).

There is also no way you can justify averaging 3,6 DRB against a terrible offensive team like Indiana.
Why do you continue to pull fake stats out of your ass?

Bird average .521 FG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_men's_Olympic_basketball_team#S tatistics_2

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
lebron stans have been manipulating stats so much in the last week. Getting pretty desperate.

[GoranDragon]

Why do you continue to pull fake stats out of your ass?

Bird average .521 FG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_men's_Olympic_basketball_team#S tatistics_2

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
lebron stans have been manipulating stats so much in the last week. Getting pretty desperate.
Kobe fading into obscurity. How does that make you feel? Have you made it your life's mission to discredit Lebron? That is sad, please, seek help.

[ArbitraryWater]

http://imageshack.com/a/img546/7941/crr.gif

[Andrei89]

Why do you continue to pull fake stats out of your ass?

Bird average .521 FG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_men's_Olympic_basketball_team#S tatistics_2

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
lebron stans have been manipulating stats so much in the last week. Getting pretty desperate.

So mad!!


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Your attempts are worse than North Korea's

[Andrei89]

http://imageshack.com/a/img546/7941/crr.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

OP, did any of them score 0 points in the gold medal game?

[Trollsmasher]

I see plenty of flustered lebron stans in this thread. Why is that?
I have no interest in petty argument and attacking each other.
Let's get serious:

Answer the three simple questions, they have nothing to do with the Heat:

Now, here are the questions:
1: Why are these players averaging less stats?
2: Does that mean they are playing far below their level? Is having MJ on the team no longer like having the best player in the world because he doesn't have those stats anymore?
3: Bird is averaging mediocre stats NBA-wise. Does that mean he is a scrub?
1. Less minutes on a team with much more talent than the Heat have and therefore with much less offensive opportunities. Bosh took more shots per game in PO than anyone on Dream Team with an exception of MJ, yet he got outscored by 4 members of it. It's important to notice that they were all efficient, unlike Bosh.
2. No and No
3. No

/close the thread

Why do you continue to pull fake stats out of your ass?

Bird average .521 FG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_men's_Olympic_basketball_team#S tatistics_2

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
lebron stans have been manipulating stats so much in the last week. Getting pretty desperate.
Already corrected. Looked at the qualification tournament

[GoranDragon]

So mad!!


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Your attempts are worse than North Korea's
ripthekik's butt buddies 9erempiree, Mr Jabbar, coin24, kennethgriffin not here to back him up. :lol :roll: :roll:

[Andrei89]

/close the thread

Noooo.

Dont close this epic thread about Rip about to hang himself...

:banana: :banana:

[ripthekik]

The lebron stans continue to post irrelevant attacks on me or random posts. Doesn't it show their insecurity :lol

Ok, forget the lebron stans. They can keep on posting random crap all they want, just shows how they are dodging the question even more.

Now, here are the questions:
1: Why are these players averaging less stats?
2: Does that mean they are playing far below their level? Is having MJ on the team no longer like having the best player in the world because he doesn't have those stats anymore?
3: Bird is averaging mediocre stats NBA-wise. Does that mean he is a scrub?

For any nba fan to answer. If any mod is here, feel free to answer too.

[Kblaze8855]

This dude really just post Larry Birds 3 weeks from having his back fused numbers with Magics already retired numbers while playing with Barkley, Jordan, Drob, Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Drexler, and so on in 40 point games nobody needed to step up in to Chris Bosh playing with Lebron, a declined wade, and role players 33 minutes a night in close games? Lebron shot 18.8 times. Wade 14. Wade was scoring like Aaron Mckie in the 01 playoffs.

It was Lebron....and people acting like role players. The shots were there. Bosh just did not demand them. He settled into his role and didnt complain. It worked so its fine.

But fact is Horace Grant had like 4-5 better playoff runs.

And the year before that he only started 10 games in the playoffs and wasnt exactly spectacular in those.

Being a third option doesnt hold you scoreless in a game 7.

Bosh performed fine in the first playoff run. Hes just slowly become a high end role player. A role player who could do more.....but doesnt. So it doesnt really factor in.

If he were on the Bucks...sure...hes a 19-22ppg player while they win 36 games. But on the Heat hes accepted his role to win.

Its the right decision. It just doesnt leave much room for a "Lebron needs superstar help" argument. Because if you argue either of them played like anyone EVER considered a superstar in last years playoffs you are just flat out lying.

[moe94]

New drinking game

1 shot after every time rip says LeBron stans
1 shot after he implies you're mad

Can you last a page?

[GoranDragon]

can we /thread?

No use bullying a shook Kobetard, like taking away the crutches while Kobe's walking, just plain mean.:lol

[Trollsmasher]

Kblaze dropping the truth:applause:

[JebronLames]

Kobe stans get mad at stats because lebron's are much better. So they say look at the intangible things. All I see is kobe not making his teammates better, chucking long jumpers that lead to long rebounds and fast break points, being predictable down the stretch since he always shoots it (~30%). Killer instinct :lol

Now, he's trying to use bosh's raptor stats to support him. Watch the playoffs, you'll see that bosh was playing hurt in 2012, and couldn't make a midrange jumper in 2013 while getting dominated by Hibbert and Duncan.

[DaSeba5]

New drinking game

1 shot after every time rip says LeBron stans
1 shot after he implies you're mad

Can you last a page?

Nobody can consume that much alcohol :roll:

[ripthekik]

This dude really just post Larry Birds 3 weeks from having his back fused numbers with Magics already retired numbers while playing with Barkley, Jordan, Drob, Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Drexler, and so on in 40 point games nobody needed to step up in to Chris Bosh playing with Lebron, a declined wade, and role players 33 minutes a night in close games? Lebron shot 18.8 times. Wade 14. Wade was scoring like Aaron Mckie in the 01 playoffs.

It was Lebron....and people acting like role players. The shots were there. Bosh just did not demand them. He settled into his role and didnt complain. It worked so its fine.

But fact is Horace Grant had like 4-5 better playoff runs.

And the year before that he only started 10 games in the playoffs and wasnt exactly spectacular in those.

Being a third option doesnt hold you scoreless in a game 7.

Bosh performed fine in the first playoff run. Hes just slowly become a high end role player. A role player who could do more.....but doesnt. So it doesnt really factor in.

If he were on the Bucks...sure...hes a 19-22ppg player while they win 36 games. But on the Heat hes accepted his role to win.

Its the right decision. It just doesnt leave much room for a "Lebron needs superstar help" argument. Because if you argue either of them played like anyone EVER considered a superstar in last years playoffs you are just flat out lying.
You are always the first to back up lebron with these long posts :lol
How about you settle down and answer my 3 questions? Are they that hard?

Bosh underperformed because of his role on the team. Now you're punishing him for it? :facepalm
Bosh gets wayyyy less touches than when he was a raptor. That was the coaches decision. All of a sudden that makes Bosh a bad player?
Bosh maybe still gets 10 shots or whatever.. but now he is a spot up shooter which he never was, compared to the 20 shots he used to get while running his own team's offense.

So, how the hell does criticizing Bosh make any sense?

[ArbitraryWater]

This dude really just post Larry Birds 3 weeks from having his back fused numbers with Magics already retired numbers while playing with Barkley, Jordan, Drob, Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Drexler, and so on in 40 point games nobody needed to step up in to Chris Bosh playing with Lebron, a declined wade, and role players 33 minutes a night in close games? Lebron shot 18.8 times. Wade 14. Wade was scoring like Aaron Mckie in the 01 playoffs.

It was Lebron....and people acting like role players. The shots were there. Bosh just did not demand them. He settled into his role and didnt complain. It worked so its fine.

But fact is Horace Grant had like 4-5 better playoff runs.

And the year before that he only started 10 games in the playoffs and wasnt exactly spectacular in those.

Being a third option doesnt hold you scoreless in a game 7.

Bosh performed fine in the first playoff run. Hes just slowly become a high end role player. A role player who could do more.....but doesnt. So it doesnt really factor in.

If he were on the Bucks...sure...hes a 19-22ppg player while they win 36 games. But on the Heat hes accepted his role to win.

Its the right decision. It just doesnt leave much room for a "Lebron needs superstar help" argument. Because if you argue either of them played like anyone EVER considered a superstar in last years playoffs you are just flat out lying.


/Thread. If this shouldnt do it, then I dont know what.

Ban rip

[CelticBaller]

Who cares? They're a bunch of colluding **** anyways

[ArbitraryWater]

can we /thread?

No use bullying a shook Kobetard, like taking away the crutches while Kobe's walking, just plain mean.:lol

:oldlol:

the cobe crew not here to back up

[moe94]

Never ban rip. He did nothing wrong outside trolling playfully. He doesn't deserve to be banned. A lot do. He's not one of them.

[GoranDragon]

:oldlol:

the cobe crew not here to back up
butt buddies 9erempiree, Mr Jabbar, coin24, kennethgriffin scared to come in.:lol :oldlol: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Never ban rip. He did nothing wrong outside trolling playfully. He doesn't deserve to be banned. A lot do. He's not one of them.

What? playfully troll? nahhh cmon

[ripthekik]

BTW, for anyone criticizing my choice of MJ, Magic, Bird, you do realize I can do it with ANY player that has played for the Olympic, or any player's all star stats?

I just chose MJ, Magic, Bird for the simplicity of things. I could easily use Malone, David Robinson, Kobe Bryant, T-mac, Duncan, ANYONE and it'll work.

Why? Because it's a universal law, and all basketball fans should understand if they're over 5 years old.

If you put 10 people who average 25 ppg into one team, they're not going to continue to average that number. Stacked team reduces stats of most players. Fact.

[DaSeba5]

Never ban rip. He did nothing wrong outside trolling playfully. He doesn't deserve to be banned. A lot do. He's not one of them.

I disagree. Some trolls here are funny, but Rip just spams the forum with nonsensical threads.

[moe94]

What? playfully troll? nahhh cmon
I lllllike rip. He's adorable. Don't take him too serious. I've seen really serious so I know he's just playing around.

[Trollsmasher]

BTW, for anyone criticizing my choice of MJ, Magic, Bird, you do realize I can do it with ANY player that has played for the Olympic, or any player's all star stats?

I just chose MJ, Magic, Bird for the simplicity of things. I could easily use Malone, David Robinson, Kobe Bryant, T-mac, Duncan, ANYONE and it'll work.

Why? Because it's a universal law, and all basketball fans should understand if they're over 5 years old.

If you put 10 people who average 25 ppg into one team, they're not going to continue to average that number. Stacked team reduces stats of most players. Fact.
Now you are exposing your own thread:biggums:

[Kblaze8855]

Did I say he should demand more shots? No. Isaid he did the right thing.

But im not about to call a guy who put up 12/7 exceptional help. Not now....not ever. Its literally never been done before in the history of the sport.

Really....who else can you give me who performed like Bosh and got superstar credit?

Maybe....maaaaaaaaaybe Earl Monroe on the Knicks with 6 hall of famers? Though he outscored Bosh in the playoffs too. Mchale when he was coming off the bench? Sure as hell not when he was a 30+ minute player like Bosh. James worthy out performed Bosh in the playoffs from his rookie season until his last playoff run...and he outscored him in that one too. Just wasnt classic Worthy.

People who perform like Bosh are NOT given credit as a star.

Really....must Bosh be the sole exception?

If not...care to name me the others?

People have outplayed Bosh and been hated on for it.

You just dont put up 12/7 and 0 in game 7 and get much respect when people are tryiing to call you a star.

Just doesnt happen. Bosh is hardly the first guy to play with a 18-19 shot a game star and a sidekick putting up 14ppg.

He decided to take a reduced role. It worked for everyone. What he might be able to do is irrelevant. What he did do....was play like Clarence Weatherspoon(though less productive).

[GoranDragon]

rip ethered so hard I bet he's on the phone with 9erempiree asking him to quickly come back from work to join his crusade.:oldlol:

[ripthekik]

Now you are exposing your own thread:biggums:
How? I'm exagerating the number to make a case.
It's the same no matter how you twist it.
Put three 25 ppg players into 1 team. Someone's stats gotta fall.
Four 25 ppg players? stats drop.
Ten is the most obvious example that even kids can understand.

It's simple math really. Stacked team = less stats. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Is anyone here really denying this?

[HOoopCityJones]

How? I'm exagerating the number to make a case.
It's the same no matter how you twist it.
Put three 25 ppg players into 1 team. Someone's stats gotta fall.
Four 25 ppg players? stats drop.
Ten is the most obvious example that even kids can understand.

It's simple math really. Stacked team = less stats. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Is anyone here really denying this?

Bro just stop you're making them think too much.

[clutchinho]

Bosh is GOAT


the end

[ArbitraryWater]

Bosh is GOAT


the end


:lol

[DaSeba5]

Bosh is GOAT


the end

The GOAT dinosaur in NBA history

[ripthekik]

Did I say he should demand more shots? No. Isaid he did the right thing.

But im not about to call a guy who put up 12/7 exceptional help. Not now....not ever. Its literally never been done before in the history of the sport.

Really....who else can you give me who performed like Bosh and got superstar credit?

Maybe....maaaaaaaaaybe Earl Monroe on the Knicks with 6 hall of famers? Though he outscored Bosh in the playoffs too. Mchale when he was coming off the bench? Sure as hell not when he was a 30+ minute player like Bosh. James worthy out performed Bosh in the playoffs from his rookie season until his last playoff run...and he outscored him in that one too. Just wasnt classic Worthy.

People who perform like Bosh are NOT given credit as a star.

Really....must Bosh be the sole exception?

If not...care to name me the others?

People have outplayed Bosh and been hated on for it.

You just dont put up 12/7 and 0 in game 7 and get much respect when people are tryiing to call you a star.

Just doesnt happen. Bosh is hardly the first guy to play with a 18-19 shot a game star and a sidekick putting up 14ppg.

He decided to take a reduced role. It worked for everyone. What he might be able to do is irrelevant. What he did do....was play like Clarence Weatherspoon(though less productive).
So, NBA stars have done the same thing Bosh did and taken less roles on the Olympic team. You don't like the previous 3 examples, let's use someone else. Let's say.. David Robinson. I don't even need to look up stats to know there is a dropoff between his Olympic stats and NBA stats.

Are you going to say the exact same thing about Bosh, to him?
That you are no longer a star because you scored less than 5 points in the gold medal game?
That just because D-Rob didn't demand more shots or anything, he doesn't deserve to be called a star anymore?
Is D-Rob no longer playing on his level just because he's averaging like 8 points and 5 rebounds in the olympics?
Does the name D-Rob no longer mean anything, he might as well be a scrub, just because of the numbers he averaged?

[moe94]

I can't believe Kblaze is demolishing you but you have the nerve to attack back with the same shit you've been spewing since the jump. I mean, really?

[GoranDragon]

I can't believe Kblaze is demolishing you but you have the nerve to attack back with the same shit you've been spewing since the jump. I mean, really?
Never say never.:lol

[DaSeba5]

I can't believe Kblaze is demolishing you but you have the nerve to attack back with the same shit you've been spewing since the jump. I mean, really?

:lol

[Trollsmasher]

I can't believe Kblaze is demolishing you but you have the nerve to attack back with the same shit you've been spewing since the jump. I mean, really?
I am enjoying it:lol

[Kblaze8855]

There is no way you or anyone else is dumb enough to think a statistical comparison should be made between an olympic team with 10 hall of famers winning 120-50 and a guy playing with a star, and a guy putting up 14ppg while playing 33 minutes a night in real games.

Knowing that you are not that dumb im forced to conclude you are making knowingly awful points for the sake of a reaction...which people generally consider "trolling".

You can do better than this. Ive seen you do better. You looked this topic over and knew it was BS before you posted it and im tired of you one subject obsessed types making topics with an obvious point over and over and over.....and worse...doing it poorly.

You want to support Chris Bosh? Fine. I dont care.

You want to do it like an idiot im tasked with removing it. I wont at the moment. But cmon man....

This is exactly the kind of topic people send us PMs about asking why we look the other way.

[ArbitraryWater]

I can't believe Kblaze is demolishing you but you have the nerve to attack back with the same shit you've been spewing since the jump. I mean, really?

rip style :lol

[moe94]

rip got absolutely burried. Dear lord.

[GoranDragon]

rip got absolutely burried. Dear lord.
He's skyping with dem butt buddies 9erempiree, Mr Jabbar, coin24, keennethgriffin to come online.:lol

[PJR]

It takes a special type of retard to draw parallels between an Olympic tourney and a 82 game NBA season + post-season.

Even if you thought you had a legitimate point to make here, you failed miserably in your delivery of it. And as always, you constantly sacrifice logic and reason for your idiotic beliefs and desire to hate on a player.

[navy]

Thread backfire. :oldlol:

[SavageMode]

What a terrible comparison... really? Bird and Magic were out of their primes. Wow.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

rip pretty much gets ethered on a daily basis. But we all know he's shameless and he's gonna come back and create another garbage thread.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Bosh was never a top 5 play :roll: :roll: :roll:
he isnt even top 15 anymore MAYBE borderline top 20,maybe:oldlol:
wade isnt even top 10 anymore too and wasnt in the last two years either tho he had good regular seasons:oldlol:

[ripthekik]

Hilarious seeing lebron stans saying ether continuously yet none have even attempted to answer my 3 questions. Consider yourselves ethered until otherwise.

Kblaze: the point wasn't to compare Olympics to NBA. The simple point to deliver is that when you put great players in a stacked team, their stats drop. The dream team is the best and simplest examples, it doesn't mean they are a comparison to the Heat.

Is there anything wrong with what I'm saying here:
1) Stacked team equals reduced stats
2) Put great players on the same team and their stats will drop
3) Just because their stats drop doesn't mean they are playing below their level

If you agree with all of those, then you are simply attacking the wrong points of my thread. I used it as a simple, clear example, not to use it as the main comparison to the Heat. Hope this is clear enough. Now, if you disagree with the three above points, we can continue the discussion.

[GoranDragon]

ripthekik being ethered. Beautiful.:applause: :lol

[SavageMode]

Rip ****ing Ether'd Holy Shit. LOL

[moe94]

Rip is in denial mode. I actually laughed when I read "consider yourselves ether'd". This is why you can't ban him. He's funny.

[GoranDragon]

Rip is in denial mode. I actually laughed when I read "consider yourselves ether'd". This is why you can't ban him. He's funny.
It's always magical to witness real-time ethering of Kobetards and watching them deny being murked.:roll: :applause: :rockon:

[leMVP]

RIP rip.

[GoranDragon]

RIP rip.
He'll come back like he always do. And it's up to us to rid ISH of retards like him.:pimp:

[HOoopCityJones]

It's only Heat fans saying he's ripped tho...

[ralph_i_el]

Most people who hate on Bosh don't actually watch the games. They don't really call plays for him and he's forced into a role where he's further away from the basket than he should be to maximize his skills. That's fine because playing him that way make the Heat more likely to win, but if he was on a different team he would definitely be averaging 20+ pts and 10+ rebounds.

Think about it. He has the size/length, shooting ability, finishing ability, and great footwork. He really sacrificed his rep to win titles. Replace Nene on the Wiz with Bosh and we're a top 3 team in the East. Those are two guys with relatively similar skill sets imo but Bosh has a wet jumper and is more durable.

[navy]

Hilarious seeing lebron stans saying ether continuously yet none have even attempted to answer my 3 questions. Consider yourselves ethered until otherwise.

Kblaze: the point wasn't to compare Olympics to NBA. The simple point to deliver is that when you put great players in a stacked team, their stats drop. The dream team is the best and simplest examples, it doesn't mean they are a comparison to the Heat.

Is there anything wrong with what I'm saying here:
1) Stacked team equals reduced stats
2) Put great players on the same team and their stats will drop
3) Just because their stats drop doesn't mean they are playing below their level

If you agree with all of those, then you are simply attacking the wrong points of my thread. I used it as a simple, clear example, not to use it as the main comparison to the Heat. Hope this is clear enough. Now, if you disagree with the three above points, we can continue the discussion.

You're obviously trolling. This has been discussed to ad nauseum.

The reason people were criticizing Bosh was because he was not playing up to his ROLE PLAYER potential. Look at his regular season performances as a role player then look at his post season production as a role player. He under performed. There is no way around it.

[ripthekik]

It's only Heat fans saying he's ripped tho...
meh.. they're all sheep. Look at all their posts.. nothing of value in this thread.. none of them could answer my question and just kept waiting and waiting for someone to show up :oldlol:

It was like the other day some lebron stan posted fake stats and every other stan started clapping and agreeing with each other, hilarious :oldlol:

[Angel Face]

rip getting outnumbered by Lebron stans. He's still standing strong and fighting. He's got that Kobe's attitude not to give up. Reminds me of Kobe's 2 made free throws after he tore his achilles. Kobe will be proud of you. I'll e-mail this to Kobe, I'm sure he'll appreciate it. :applause:

Meanwhile, Lebrons stans reminds me of Lebron's collusion with another 2 all stars and being saved by Ray Allen (Kblaze8855).

[moe94]

It's only Heat fans saying he's ripped tho...
By all means, engage kblaze and continue the idea that Bosh was a star player who was held back by LeBron since clearly you believe rip is speaking some truth. Try not repeating yourself over and over again because that's transparent and we will call you out. Let's see how you approach this. Rip already gave up. Your turn?

[ripthekik]

Most people who hate on Bosh don't actually watch the games. They don't really call plays for him and he's forced into a role where he's further away from the basket than he should be to maximize his skills. That's fine because playing him that way make the Heat more likely to win, but if he was on a different team he would definitely be averaging 20+ pts and 10+ rebounds.

Think about it. He has the size/length, shooting ability, finishing ability, and great footwork. He really sacrificed his rep to win titles. Replace Nene on the Wiz with Bosh and we're a top 3 team in the East. Those are two guys with relatively similar skill sets imo but Bosh has a wet jumper and is more durable.
Anddd we have a good NBA fan here who understands the game :applause:

These kids here don't understand Heat doesn't even run any plays for Bosh :oldlol: Yet they want him to drop 20/10?

[GoranDragon]

rip getting outnumbered by Lebron stans. He's still standing strong and fighting. He's got that Kobe's attitude not to give up. Reminds me of His 2 made free throws after he tore his achilles. Kobe will be proud of you. I'll e-mail this to Kobe, I'm sure he'll appreciate it. :applause:

Meanwhile, Lebrons stans reminds me of Lebron's collusion with another 2 all stars and being saved by Ray Allen (Kblaze8855).
MJ stan standing by a Kobetard. Speaks volume of how much of a threat Lebron is to the throne.:bowdown:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

rip getting outnumbered by Lebron stans. He's still standing strong and fighting. He's got that Kobe's attitude not to give up. Reminds me of Kobe's 2 made free throws after he tore his achilles. Kobe will be proud of you. I'll e-mail this to Kobe, I'm sure he'll appreciate it. :applause:

Meanwhile, Lebrons stans reminds me of Lebron's collusion with another 2 all stars and being saved by Ray Allen (Kblaze8855).

You mean when the refs gifted him two free throws :oldlol:

[ripthekik]

By all means, engage kblaze and continue the idea that Bosh was a star player who was held back by LeBron since clearly you believe rip is speaking some truth. Try not repeating yourself over and over again because that's transparent and we will call you out. Let's see how you approach this. Rip already gave up. Your turn?
How did I give up? I'm still waiting here for good discussion instead of pathetic lebron teenagers hiding behind each other.

I posted the 3 main points of this thread in a reply above to kblaze. Do you disagree with any of them?

[moe94]

Anddd we have a good NBA fan here who understands the game :applause:

These kids here don't understand Heat doesn't even run any plays for Bosh :oldlol: Yet they want him to drop 20/10?
It's the fact that he gets nothing run for him that he's shooting poorly.

Usually when your production decreases, your efficiency rises. Usually.

[HOoopCityJones]

By all means, engage kblaze and continue the idea that Bosh was a star player who was held back by LeBron since clearly you believe rip is speaking some truth. Try not repeating yourself over and over again because that's transparent and we will call you out. Let's see how you approach this. Rip already gave up. Your turn?

It's only common sense though , players teaming up will have some of their averages drop. The only reason you guys are so fired up about it is the implications it has for Lebron.

Wait, so you seriously think Bosh isn't a top 5 pf in the League? :biggums:

[GoranDragon]

How did I give up? I'm still waiting here for good discussion instead of pathetic lebron teenagers hiding behind each other.

I posted the 3 main points of this thread in a reply above to kblaze. Do you disagree with any of them?
Nobody will be willing to actually go into a intelligent discussion with you over such retarded OP.

Just stop. We understand your jimmies are rustled, log off, cool down, then come back and get owned all over again. K?:D

[Andrei89]

OP is being pounded in all holes.

Is like watching a message forum gang bang.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[moe94]

It's only common sense though , players teaming up will have some of their averages drop. The only reason you guys are so fired up about it is the implications it has for Lebron.

Wait, so you seriously think Bosh isn't a top 5 pf in the League? :biggums:
Bosh, for all his talent and what he's capable of, hasn't been playing great for both runs. How are you going to deny that?

[GoranDragon]

OP is being pounded in all holes.

Is like watching a message forum gang bang.

:roll: :roll: :roll:
He's actually ASKING for more. Glorious.:roll: :roll:

[Andrei89]

He's actually ASKING for more. Glorious.:roll: :roll:

Of course he ask for more.

He loves it

:lol :lol :lol

[Trollsmasher]

The thing I always laugh most about in those "Bosh would average 24/11 as a main guy" are those rebounding numbers:lol

[navy]

You're obviously trolling. This has been discussed to ad nauseum.

The reason people were criticizing Bosh was because he was not playing up to his ROLE PLAYER potential. Look at his regular season performances as a role player then look at his post season production as a role player. He under performed. There is no way around it.
Waiting for a response.

[ripthekik]

Nobody will be willing to actually go into a intelligent discussion with you over such retarded OP.

Just stop. We understand your jimmies are rustled, log off, cool down, then come back and get owned all over again. K?:D
Because you can't?
All you and little buddies can is throw kiddy insults in the background of this thread. Let the adults talk if you can't even construct an argument without made up facts, kiddo.

[GoranDragon]

Because you can't?
All you and little buddies can is throw kiddy insults in the background of this thread. Let the adults talk if you can't even construct an argument without made up facts, kiddo.
Look over this thread, you actually had a pauk-esque meltdown. :lol

[moe94]

Waiting for a response.
There is literally no response to be made because it's not subjective.

That's what's so funny about all of this.

[Angel Face]

MJ stan standing by a Kobetard. Speaks volume of how much of a threat Lebron is to the throne.:bowdown:

He's not a threat, not even close. Kobe was a threat, fell short. The next real threat is still rising, Kevin Durant. Lebron has a nice commercial break tho.

[ripthekik]

It's the fact that he gets nothing run for him that he's shooting poorly.

Usually when your production decreases, your efficiency rises. Usually.
Maybe Bosh is the type of player who needs the ball in his hands a little bit to create smth for himself too? Since when have power forwards gotten used to be a spot up shooter? Maybe that's what's throwing him off his rhythm?

So he has bad stats because of the way Miami plays him. Is that his fault?

[Trollsmasher]

Waiting for a response.
I am still waiting for rip's response to my answers to those original questions of his which I've answered long time ago and he still claims nobody answered him:lol

[HOoopCityJones]

Bosh, for all his talent and what he's capable of, hasn't been playing great for both runs. How are you going to deny that?

Are you gonna deny they would of lost to the Celtics if he didn't return?

I think this was game 5.

[moe94]

He's not a threat, not even close. Kobe was a threat, fell short. The next real threat is still rising, Kevin Durant. Lebron has a nice commercial break tho.
Kobe was never remotely close to being a threat. Are you drunk? Their peaks are worlds apart.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe was never remotely close to being a threat. Are you drunk? Their peaks are worlds apart.

:roll: You think Lebron's peak is better than Bean's?

[ripthekik]

Waiting for a response.
I'm sure lebron is not shooting his 60% regular season FG in the playoffs either. Why Bosh is playing bad is because of playing with the Heat, and playing in the Heat system. So he is criticized for not playing like a STAR when he accepted the role of a role player. How's that fair?

People are actually saying he underperform because he did not play like a star, not that he did not play like a roleplayer. Heat stans get mad when we say Lebron has 2 stars. They then give Bosh's numbers. So you're wrong. They're not mad because he didn't play as a role player. He did, more than that. But they're mad because he didn't produce star numbers, while getting paid max.

[IncarceratedBob]

No doubt playing with Lebron made Chris a worse player

[moe94]

:roll: You think Lebron's peak is better than Bean's?
Apparently most of this board thinks that, too. Not that it matters as I'm not entertaining the idea of either reaching Jordan.

[Illuminati]

lmaooooo.
Rip is by far the worst poster on ISH. Gets ethered in every single thread.

[Andrei89]

lmaooooo.
Rip is by far the worst poster on ISH. Gets ethered in every single thread.

1333 word essay

Melt Down!

:lol :lol :lol

[ripthekik]

No doubt playing with Lebron made Chris a worse player
Not worse.. but worse stats definitely. Without Lebron? I remember 2 games where he took over and scored 30 points or so.. over the Spurs and Blazers?

[Trollsmasher]

I'm sure lebron is not shooting his 60% regular season FG in the playoffs either. Why Bosh is playing bad is because of playing with the Heat, and playing in the Heat system. So he is criticized for not playing like a STAR when he accepted the role of a role player. How's that fair?

People are actually saying he underperform because he did not play like a star, not that he did not play like a roleplayer. Heat stans get mad when we say Lebron has 2 stars. They then give Bosh's numbers. So you're wrong. They're not mad because he didn't play as a role player. He did, more than that. But they're mad because he didn't produce star numbers, while getting paid max.
Accepting his role? If that means getting outplayed by your backup center (who happens to be 34 old, ex methead), then I guess yes, we can't criticize him

12/7 on terrible effiency with no defense are not even top role player numbers

[HOoopCityJones]

Apparently most of this board thinks that, too. Not that it matters as I'm not entertaining the idea of either reaching Jordan.

Half these foos will have Thunder avas a year from now.

They have ZERO loyalty just like the player they idolize.

[ralph_i_el]

It's the fact that he gets nothing run for him that he's shooting poorly.

Usually when your production decreases, your efficiency rises. Usually.

usually, but not when your production decreases because they have you standing around shooting tons of midrange jumpers (where he's evolved into one of the best shooters in the league anyways). Watch a heat game. How many times does Bosh get post touches? When do they allow him to face up inside 12 ft? How are you supposed to hit the offensive boards often when you're standing outside the 3-point line?

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingTouches.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&sortField=CL_TCH&sortOrder=DES

^Check Sportvu and look at the league leaders in touches inside of 12 ft, and elbow touches. On most teams in the league Bosh would be in the top 10 in both categories. On the Heat he's getting way less touches than a bunch of nobodies. Josh McBob and Zaza Pachullia get more elbow touches than Bosh.

[ripthekik]

Accepting his role? If that means getting outplayed by your backup center (who happens to be 34 old, ex methead), then I guess yes, we can't criticize him

12/7 on terrible effiency with no defense are not even top role player numbers
No defense? You serious? You know how big a part Bosh's speed and versatility plays in the Heat's defensive system?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Don't worry rip. Just wait until someone writes a detailed explanation of how Bosh plays, and then you can piggyback his response.

[ralph_i_el]

No defense? You serious? You know how big a part Bosh's speed and versatility plays in the Heat's defensive system?

just give up rip. You can't argue with these people who obviously don't watch enough ball

[Trollsmasher]

No defense? You serious? You know how big a part Bosh's speed and versatility plays in the Heat's defensive system?
They are part of that defensive system because Bosh is not able of to play like a traditional bigman. So the Heat have to compromise by playing that bullshit defense they play.

I mean, he made Roy Hibbert look like prime Shaq and got destroyed by Timmy.

usually, but not when your production decreases because they have you standing around shooting tons of midrange jumpers (where he's evolved into one of the best shooters in the league anyways). Watch a heat game. How many times does Bosh get post touches? When do they allow him to face up inside 12 ft? How are you supposed to hit the offensive boards often when you're standing outside the 3-point line?

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingTouches.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&sortField=CL_TCH&sortOrder=DES

^Check Sportvu and look at the league leaders in touches inside of 12 ft, and elbow touches. On most teams in the league Bosh would be in the top 10 in both categories. On the Heat he's getting way less touches than a bunch of nobodies. Josh McBob and Zaza Pachullia get more elbow touches than Bosh.
Bosh got his stuff blocked everytime he got an ISO close to the basket last year. It was embarassing to watch him trying to do something against Hibbert or Timmy.

[navy]

I'm sure lebron is not shooting his 60% regular season FG in the playoffs either. Why Bosh is playing bad is because of playing with the Heat, and playing in the Heat system. So he criticized for not playing like a STAR when he accepted the role of a role player. How's that fair?

People are actually saying he underperform because he did not play like a star, not that he did not play like a roleplayer.
When Lebron plays below his talent level everyone is very quick to point it out.


NO. He is not criticized for not playing like a star. He is criticized for not playing like a ROLE PLAYER of his talent level which is at star level.

Nobody said that he needed to elevate his game to star levels at 20/10
He only needed to play to his third option role potential. Which he did not do. There is no way around it.

It wasnt because his role changed for the post season. It didnt. His production changed. For the worse.

[moe94]

One thing you can't fault Bosh for is his defense.

[Blue&Orange]

...
Yeah we know, apparently the "it's going to be easy" stacked team, the "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 7" stacked team, the "They might win 82 games" stacked team, isn't so stacked after all :lol

Poor Lebron, is always poor Lebron, he just doesn't have enough top5 pick on his team.

I understand, so much celebration, and all they will get is two chips, one blatantly and shamelessly carried by the refs, other were they got lucky, one against the youngest team ever in the finals, other against the oldest team ever. Not even going to touch the amount of injuries on the opposition.


Apparently you have no problem with retarded thread trying to prove Heat aren't stacked by bringing up Wade and Bosh stats, or by comparing the Heat on a 30 team league to other teams on a 16 team league. Had no problem with that "fair" comparison.

[KingBeasley08]

Damn I feel for Rip right now. He's a good guy deep down, don't do him like that :mad:

[moe94]

A Knicks fan talking about failed teams. The irony is potent and soothing.

[ripthekik]

One thing you can't fault Bosh for is his defense.
The exact thing lebron stans, your side, is trying to do now.


just give up rip. You can't argue with these people who obviously don't watch enough ball

Yeah.. it's obvious they really arent able to handle a real discussion without being immature kids. I guess I am disappointed. They don't even know what miami is doing and how their defensive system works.. all they watch is lebron and his stats.

I made a mistake of trying to argue with these kids.

[GoranDragon]

Simple Question:
When MJ, Bird, and Magic played in the dream team, did they averaged the same stats as they did when they played in the NBA?
Let me do the research for yall:
Dream Team stats:
MJ: 15ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.8 apg
Magic: 8ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.5 apg
Bird: 8.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.8 apg

1992 NBA regular season stats
MJ: 32.6 ppg, 6.7 rpb, 5.5 apg
Magic: 19.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 12.5 apg (1991)
Bird: 20.2 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 6.8 apg
Now, here are the questions:
1: Why are these players averaging less stats?
2: Does that mean they are playing far below their level? Is having MJ on the team no longer like having the best player in the world because he doesn't have those stats anymore?
3: Bird is averaging mediocre stats NBA-wise. Does that mean he is a scrub?
After thinking about that, now maybe you'll understand why Bosh's stats is lower in a stacked team, and if he had the opportunity, he'd put up great stats again?
Lebron was GIVEN all his mvp (media), rings (2 all star teammates, ray allen shots)
People like you who belittle Bosh just to make lebron look good is sick. He is still absolutely a star today and would put up 20/10 easy as first/second option.
I'm simply comparing the top NBA stars. I'm not saying Bosh is Bird or anything like that. They're simply top stars in the league.
Or if you want, I could find stats of another big man on the dream team. Pretty sure his stats is much lower than his NBA stats. Will that make you happy?
A lot of lebron stans have posted, but can only throw childish insults or say irrelevant things. The 3 questions are pretty question and straight forward. None of them even have anything to do with the Heat. Why won't you guys attempt to answer them?
I see plenty of flustered lebron stans in this thread. Why is that?
I have no interest in petty argument and attacking each other.
Let's get serious:
Answer the three simple questions, they have nothing to do with the Heat:
Now, here are the questions:
1: Why are these players averaging less stats?
2: Does that mean they are playing far below their level? Is having MJ on the team no longer like having the best player in the world because he doesn't have those stats anymore?
3: Bird is averaging mediocre stats NBA-wise. Does that mean he is a scrub?
Why do you continue to pull fake stats out of your ass?
Bird average .521 FG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_men's_Olympic_basketball_team#S tatistics_2
lebron stans have been manipulating stats so much in the last week. Getting pretty desperate.
The lebron stans continue to post irrelevant attacks on me or random posts. Doesn't it show their insecurity
Ok, forget the lebron stans. They can keep on posting random crap all they want, just shows how they are dodging the question even more.
Now, here are the questions:
1: Why are these players averaging less stats?
2: Does that mean they are playing far below their level? Is having MJ on the team no longer like having the best player in the world because he doesn't have those stats anymore?
3: Bird is averaging mediocre stats NBA-wise. Does that mean he is a scrub?
For any nba fan to answer. If any mod is here, feel free to answer too.
You are always the first to back up lebron with these long posts
How about you settle down and answer my 3 questions? Are they that hard?
Bosh underperformed because of his role on the team. Now you're punishing him for it?
Bosh gets wayyyy less touches than when he was a raptor. That was the coaches decision. All of a sudden that makes Bosh a bad player?
Bosh maybe still gets 10 shots or whatever.. but now he is a spot up shooter which he never was, compared to the 20 shots he used to get while running his own team's offense.
So, how the hell does criticizing Bosh make any sense?
BTW, for anyone criticizing my choice of MJ, Magic, Bird, you do realize I can do it with ANY player that has played for the Olympic, or any player's all star stats?
I just chose MJ, Magic, Bird for the simplicity of things. I could easily use Malone, David Robinson, Kobe Bryant, T-mac, Duncan, ANYONE and it'll work.
Why? Because it's a universal law, and all basketball fans should understand if they're over 5 years old.
If you put 10 people who average 25 ppg into one team, they're not going to continue to average that number. Stacked team reduces stats of most players. Fact.
How? I'm exagerating the number to make a case.
It's the same no matter how you twist it.
Put three 25 ppg players into 1 team. Someone's stats gotta fall.
Four 25 ppg players? stats drop.
Ten is the most obvious example that even kids can understand.
It's simple math really. Stacked team = less stats. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Is anyone here really denying this?
So, NBA stars have done the same thing Bosh did and taken less roles on the Olympic team. You don't like the previous 3 examples, let's use someone else. Let's say.. David Robinson. I don't even need to look up stats to know there is a dropoff between his Olympic stats and NBA stats.
Are you going to say the exact same thing about Bosh, to him?
That you are no longer a star because you scored less than 5 points in the gold medal game?
That just because D-Rob didn't demand more shots or anything, he doesn't deserve to be called a star anymore?
Is D-Rob no longer playing on his level just because he's averaging like 8 points and 5 rebounds in the olympics?
Does the name D-Rob no longer mean anything, he might as well be a scrub, just because of the numbers he averaged?
Hilarious seeing lebron stans saying ether continuously yet none have even attempted to answer my 3 questions. Consider yourselves ethered until otherwise.
Kblaze: the point wasn't to compare Olympics to NBA. The simple point to deliver is that when you put great players in a stacked team, their stats drop. The dream team is the best and simplest examples, it doesn't mean they are a comparison to the Heat.
Is there anything wrong with what I'm saying here:
1) Stacked team equals reduced stats
2) Put great players on the same team and their stats will drop
3) Just because their stats drop doesn't mean they are playing below their level
If you agree with all of those, then you are simply attacking the wrong points of my thread. I used it as a simple, clear example, not to use it as the main comparison to the Heat. Hope this is clear enough. Now, if you disagree with the three above points, we can continue the discussion.
How did I give up? I'm still waiting here for good discussion instead of pathetic lebron teenagers hiding behind each other.
I posted the 3 main points of this thread in a reply above to kblaze. Do you disagree with any of them?
Because you can't?
All you and little buddies can is throw kiddy insults in the background of this thread. Let the adults talk if you can't even construct an argument without made up facts, kiddo.
Maybe Bosh is the type of player who needs the ball in his hands a little bit to create smth for himself too? Since when have power forwards gotten used to be a spot up shooter? Maybe that's what's throwing him off his rhythm?
So he has bad stats because of the way Miami plays him. Is that his fault?
Not worse.. but worse stats definitely. Without Lebron? I remember 2 games where he took over and scored 30 points or so.. over the Spurs and Blazers?
Meltdown confirmed. I love it.:lol

[ripthekik]

Meltdown confirmed. :lol
You mean like this?


Clear agenda. Yes Bosh is an all-star. But no he wasn't a "top 5 player" when Lebron recruited him.


And comparing a MIA team in the playoffs against real competition to the freakin' DREAM TEAM stats-wise is a joke. Dream Team were cruising against euro thrash and other weak teams.

And he's not consistent enough to be considered a big factor in Lebron's success. Lebron EARNED his MVPs, rings, and FMVPs.

rip give it up. Lebron has already solidified his place in the top 5 ranking.
Question now is whether or not he's gonna be placed in the top 3.

Meanwhile, Kobe is outed by Durant, dropping into top 15.
So Kobe was GIVEN his MVP (singular ), rings (Shaq carried , 6/24 game 7)

People like you who belittle Gasol and Bynum just to make kobe look good is sick. They are still absolutely a star today and would put up 20/10 easy as first/second option.

ripthekik embarrassing Kobe fanbase with his pathetic attempts to discredit Lebron. Just sad

Let me get this straight...In that measly brain of yours,

MJ - Lebron
Bird - Bosh
Magic - Wade

thus the retarded comparison.


Kobetard never fails to amaze.
Kid is shook at Lebron and Durant slowly surpassing Kobe

So according to you, the competition in the Olympics = playoffs competition?

Ok cool

Kobe fading into obscurity. How does that make you feel? Have you made it your life's mission to discredit Lebron? That is sad, please, seek help.
ripthekik's butt buddies 9erempiree, Mr Jabbar, coin24, kennethgriffin not here to back him up
can we /thread?

No use bullying a shook Kobetard, like taking away the crutches while Kobe's walking, just plain mean

butt buddies 9erempiree, Mr Jabbar, coin24, kennethgriffin scared to come in
rip ethered so hard I bet he's on the phone with 9erempiree asking him to quickly come back from work to join his crusade

Never say never
He's skyping with dem butt buddies 9erempiree, Mr Jabbar, coin24, keennethgriffin to come online

ripthekik being ethered. Beautiful

It's always magical to witness real-time ethering of Kobetards and watching them deny being murked.

He'll come back like he always do. And it's up to us to rid ISH of retards like him
MJ stan standing by a Kobetard. Speaks volume of how much of a threat Lebron is to the throne

Nobody will be willing to actually go into a intelligent discussion with you over such retarded OP.

Just stop. We understand your jimmies are rustled, log off, cool down, then come back and get owned all over again. K

He's actually ASKING for more. Glorious

Look over this thread, you actually had a pauk-esque meltdown


You have more posts in this thread than I do :roll: :roll: :roll:

[navy]

The Heat are only "stacked" because Lebron plays for them. When Wade was still in his prime that was definitely a stacked team in 2011. They were basically about to win the chip with two superstars and an all star in Bosh. Everyone else was a scrub. Unfortunately they didnt win that year.

After that Wade was no longer a superstar as his knees no longer agree with him. The team that went into the postseason last year wasn't stacked in the slightest. If Wade didnt have knee problems then you could argue that team is stacked. He does unfortunately .

[KingBeasley08]

sorry brah he has 446 words to your 1313 lol

[PistonsFan#21]

how you gonna compare their regular NBA season stats with their olympic season stats? thats 2 totally different things.

[ripthekik]

The Heat are only "stacked" because Lebron plays for them. When Wade was still in his prime that was defiantly a stacked team in 2011. They were basically about to win the chip with two superstars and an all star in Bosh. Everyone else was a scrub. Unfortunately they didnt win that year.

After that Wade was no longer a superstar as his knees no longer agree with him. The team that went into the postseason last year wasn't stacked in the slightest. If Wade didnt have knee problems then you could argue that team is stacked. He does.
Yet he dropped 40 points on 17/25 FG on bad knees. How many bad knee players can do that? How many playoff teams have the luxury of a random player, injured one even, doing that? How about ray allen, one of the greatest shooters in history?

There's just no way to argue that heat is not stacked. Even miami fans have admitted so (not these lebron stans)

[GoranDragon]

sorry brah he has 446 words to your 1313 lol
ripthekik spending time trying to return fire.:lol

futile efforts my little Kobetard.:roll:

[ralph_i_el]

They are part of that defensive system because Bosh is not able of to play like a traditional bigman. So the Heat have to compromise by playing that bullshit defense they play.

I mean, he made Roy Hibbert look like prime Shaq and got destroyed by Timmy.

Bosh got his stuff blocked everytime he got an ISO close to the basket last year. It was embarassing to watch him trying to do something against Hibbert or Timmy.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01/shooting/2014/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01/shooting/2013/

He's shot over 70% at the rim this year and last (elite). His efficiency inside 12 is great this year too. Hibbert was Dpoty and Timmy is the Goat, and they had him playing the floor-spacer. I also don't agree with your statement that he can't play big man D.

I'd love it if the heat fans ran the heat. They could take their pick of wizards (besides Wall) if they want to get rid of the bostrich

[Trollsmasher]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01/shooting/2014/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01/shooting/2013/

He's shot over 70% at the rim this year and last (elite). His efficiency inside 12 is great this year too.
And he shot 59% in PO. Considering how many open shots he gets from Bron and Wade, it only proves my point:lol

[ralph_i_el]

And he shot 59% in PO. Considering how many open shots he gets from Bron and Wade, it only proves my point:lol

Source? Plus he played against Larry Sanders, Hibbert, Noah, and Duncan. Every team they played against had elite rim D. He also shot over 40% from 3 :confusedshrug: and his usage rate was sub 20% (20% is the average usage rate for a player)

[ArbitraryWater]

rip getting outnumbered by Lebron stans. He's still standing strong and fighting. He's got that Kobe's attitude not to give up. Reminds me of Kobe's 2 made free throws after he tore his achilles. Kobe will be proud of you. I'll e-mail this to Kobe, I'm sure he'll appreciate it. :applause:

Meanwhile, Lebrons stans reminds me of Lebron's collusion with another 2 all stars and being saved by Ray Allen (Kblaze8855).

lmfaoo bro adding to MJ you need to get that king swagger.

[ArbitraryWater]

OP is being pounded in all holes.

Is like watching a message forum gang bang.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll:

[DaSeba5]

What's even funnier is the Kobe stans, the one Jordan stan, and the one Knicks fan coming to Rip's aid.

[AKA AAP 23]

Kobe fans have always been the absolute worst collection of fans in the history of sports. Their combination of hate, delusion, ignorance, stupidity, insecurity, and homo-erotic love for their favorite player clearly lowers their quality of living by putting them in the lower class of our society in real life.

They don't live their own lives, they live through this fairy tale where Kobe is their very own "alpha" hero that completes their reason for existence. They would rather try to make Kobe look "alpha", and every other player "beta", instead of worrying about how they are getting fat, poor, lonely, and older wasting time on some overrated player that would not only NOT care about them in real life, but could possibly rape their mom or sister. And the weird thing is, if that happens, I don't think they would even care. You tell them Kobe has a 5 inch *****, and they get offended. It's so incredibly weird and unprecedented. I never understood these people, but over the history of ISH, I have come to the conclusion that there is a strong correlation between being a Kobe fan and having a low IQ matched with ADHD, OCD, and being a sociopath.

[moe94]

What's even funnier is the Kobe stans and Knicks fan coming to Rip's aid.
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/agy52X6_460sa.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll: You think Lebron's peak is better than Bean's?


thats pretty much the consensus yea. lebron 2012 isnt touched by ANY kobe s4eason. not that thats the only one..

[GoranDragon]

What's even funnier is the Kobe stans and Knicks fan coming to Rip's aid.
Lebron rustles jimmies like no other.:cheers:

[GoranDragon]

thats pretty much the consensus yea. lebron 2012 isnt touched by ANY kobe s4eason. not that thats the only one..
just like how Durant 2013-2014 isnt touched by ANY kobe season.

[Trollsmasher]

Source? Plus he played against Larry Sanders, Hibbert, Noah, and Duncan. Every team they played against had elite rim D. He also shot over 40% from 3 :confusedshrug: and his usage rate was sub 20% (20% is the average usage rate for a player)
Click on Playoffs in that shot chart table.

And what does 3 point shooting have to do with letting him work close to the basket? We are talking about letting him work close by himself which obviously did not work last year.

So we are left with a jump shooter who was (apart from 3 pointers) completly cold during the whole playoffs. Would you give him more shots?

[ArbitraryWater]

Meltdown confirmed. I love it.:lol


:roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

ripthekik spending time trying to return fire.:lol

futile efforts my little Kobetard.:roll:

:oldlol:

You gotta love him picking up all your posts to try and make them look similar.

[DaSeba5]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/agy52X6_460sa.gif

:roll:

[Trollsmasher]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/agy52X6_460sa.gif
:lol perfect

[IncarceratedBob]

If you think Kobe is an all time great please castrate yourself and your mother. Thanks

[GoranDragon]

:oldlol:

You gotta love him picking up all your posts to try and make them look similar.
I'm just sitting back in awe of this magical Kobetard meltdown.:applause: :lol

[AnaheimLakers24]

^

:applause: :applause: :applause:
whats with all the fake wade fans?

[DaSeba5]

This is one of the best threads of the year so far :lol

Bosh was never a top 5 player. He chose to sacrifice his stats to be a 3rd wheel to help the team, and it worked. It's not because LeBron makes everyone worse (this notion is beyond ridiculous). He is good defender and I would say he's a top 15 player, or at least a top 20 player (which IDK why is seen as a bad thing). Rip uses Bird and Magic past their primes for his argument, and the 92 Dream team. You can't make this shit up.

[Im Still Ballin]

Bosh has proven himself countless times without LBJ/Wade. His role has changed since being on Miami thats really all it is. I'm sure if he was the franchise star/number 1 option on Offense he'd still be averaging 20/8 at the least and 25/11 at the most.

To say his play is declining or that he is overrated is a misinterpretation of context. His game has always relied around his finesse and shooting ability rather than his physicality and athleticism, and i find him hard to be considered overrated when since joining Miami they have been to the finals every year and winning 2 of the three times and he has produced big play after big play (series against chicago in 2011, 3 point barrage in game seven against boston in 2012, the game 6 rebound/block on green) while playing his role.

[HOoopCityJones]

Bosh has proven himself countless times without LBJ/Wade. His role has changed since being on Miami thats really all it is. I'm sure if he was the franchise star/number 1 option on Offense he'd still be averaging 20/8 at the least and 25/11 at the most.

To say his play is declining or that he is overrated is a misinterpretation of context. His game has always relied around his finesse and shooting ability rather than his physicality and athleticism, and i find him hard to be considered overrated when since joining Miami they have been to the finals every year and winning 2 of the three times and he has produced big play after big play (series against chicago in 2011, 3 point barrage in game seven against boston in 2012, the game 6 rebound/block on green) while playing his role.

Sshhh we like to pretend Bosh is/was/always been a role player in this thread.

[red1]

wow these new lebron stans utterly demolishing ripthekik. keep up the good work fellas and always remember that logic and reason > feminine emotions aka ripthekik logic

[Bandito]

The alts in this thread...:roll:
Gorandragon, i wonder whos alt he belongs too?

[IncarceratedBob]

Bosh was never a good player. Merely average. He chose to latch on to the King and bring us Heat fans multiple rings. I ain't mad at Dino.

[GoranDragon]

wow these new lebron stans utterly demolishing ripthekik. keep up the good work fellas and always remember that logic and reason > feminine emotions aka ripthekik logic
Lebron/Heat soldiers unite.:cheers: :rockon: :pimp:

[Angel Face]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/agy52X6_460sa.gif

Nice, gif proves that Lebron stans are kids, maybe 5-12 range and Kobe stans are old enough, 16- 20ish range. :applause:

[DaSeba5]

The alts in this thread...:roll:
Gorandragon, i wonder whos alt he belongs too?

Alts or not, they demolished Rip's ass here.

[GoranDragon]

The alts in this thread...:roll:
Gorandragon, i wonder whos alt he belongs too?
Here comes backup.:roll:

[ralph_i_el]

Click on Playoffs in that shot chart table.

And what does 3 point shooting have to do with letting him work close to the basket? We are talking about letting him work close by himself which obviously did not work last year.

So we are left with a jump shooter who was (apart from 3 pointers) completly cold during the whole playoffs. Would you give him more shots?

59% is still better than you'd expect going up against the guys he did. I watched the playoffs and I understand that bosh had some bad games. I'm just a wizards fan describing what I see I have no agenda.

You let Bosh go to work in the areas of the floor where he's most effective, then he's going to look like a star. When you put him on a team with Lebron and wade then he's not going to get those touches. I consider Bosh behind Love, Aldridge, Dirk, Timmy, and AD at the PF position but he's definitely on their level in terms of potential impact as a #1 guy. I'd also take Bosh on my team over Carmelo.


Bosh has really NEVER played on a good team that works to his strengths. He had to play out of position most of the time in Toronto. Give me some quick guards and Bosh working from the elbow with a defensive/rebounding center and I'll show you a contender.

[red1]

Lebron/Heat soldiers unite.:cheers: :rockon: :pimp:
:milton

[ralph_i_el]

Lebron/Heat soldiers unite.:cheers: :rockon: :pimp:

you shouldn't be proud of "winning" an argument via a torrent of unintelligent responses from bandwagon fans

[moe94]

you shouldn't be proud of "winning" an argument via a torrent of unintelligent responses from bandwagon fans

Wait a second...

You think rip is talking sense and that his Olympics comparison isn't flat out retarded? You're also claiming a position of intelligence? Really?

[red1]

you shouldn't be proud of "winning" an argument via a torrent of unintelligent responses from bandwagon fans
tbh they did thoroughly demolish his arguments, the same butthurt shit he's been clinging to for years now

[DaSeba5]

you shouldn't be proud of "winning" an argument via a torrent of unintelligent responses from bandwagon fans

Bosh is a good player. He's a top 15 player (or top 20) in the league to me. Rip's agenda is to blame LeBron for Bosh's stats struggling as a 3rd option. His agenda has gotten so old, and the argument of bringing up the Dream Team, Magic, and Bird is so ridiculous that it can only warrant such responses.

[HOoopCityJones]

Wait a second...

You think rip is talking sense and that his Olympics comparison isn't flat out retarded? You're also claiming a position of intelligence? Really?

Yea it makes sense.

Unless whats being said makes YOU upset....:coleman:

[ralph_i_el]

Wait a second...

You think rip is talking sense and that his Olympics comparison isn't flat out retarded? You're also claiming a position of intelligence? Really?

Rip had a lot of logical fallacies in his argument too, he just happens to be on the side I support. I don't think it's Lebron's "fault" that Bosh's stats aren't great. It's just that the Heat are better off working towards Lebron's strengths rather than Bosh's, which is fine because Lebron is the best player on the planet. The coaching/gameplan has dictated what Bosh does on the floor because they believe that gives them the best chance to win the game, stats don't matter. I hesitate to use single games as evidence to back up my claims, but just last month Lebron sat and the heat changed up the gameplan....Bosh dropped 37.

Yes, I am claiming a position of intelligence. I'm not going to get into my resume because that would just be petty. I also watch a lot of basketball.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Bosh has proven himself countless times without LBJ/Wade. His role has changed since being on Miami thats really all it is. I'm sure if he was the franchise star/number 1 option on Offense he'd still be averaging 20/8 at the least and 25/11 at the most.

To say his play is declining or that he is overrated is a misinterpretation of context. His game has always relied around his finesse and shooting ability rather than his physicality and athleticism, and i find him hard to be considered overrated when since joining Miami they have been to the finals every year and winning 2 of the three times and he has produced big play after big play (series against chicago in 2011, 3 point barrage in game seven against boston in 2012, the game 6 rebound/block on green) while playing his role.

1 rebound is all you have for 2013? He was decent against the Bulls and had one great game against them. Against the Pacers, he was completely ineffective and he said so himself. He was great defensively in games 6 and 7 of the Finals, but his play offensively left much to be desired of in the entire playoffs. I personally consider his 2012 run to be his best one.

[HOoopCityJones]

Bosh is a good player. He's a top 15 player (or top 20) in the league to me. Rip's agenda is to blame LeBron for Bosh's stats struggling as a 3rd option. His agenda has gotten so old, and the argument of bringing up the Dream Team, Magic, and Bird is so ridiculous that it can only warrant such responses.

I'm new around here so I don't know the guy well, but it seemed to me he made a legit comparison and all I see are people raging because it implies something about their man crush.

He doesn't make players better?

Did I just say a bad word?

[Trollsmasher]

59% is still better than you'd expect going up against the guys he did. I watched the playoffs and I understand that bosh had some bad games. I just a wizards fan describing what I see I have no agenda.

You let Bosh go to work in the areas of the floor where he's most effective, then he's going to look like a star. When you put him on a team with Lebron and wade then he's not going to get those touches. I consider Bosh behind Love, Aldridge, Dirk, Timmy, and AD at the PF position. I'd also take Bosh on my team over Carmelo.


Bosh has really NEVER played on a good team that works to his strengths. He had to play out of position most of the time in Toronto. Give me some quick guards and Bosh working from the elbow with a defensive/rebounding center and I'll show you a contender.
I understand that Bosh could still be a very solid 1st option (although I don't think you could really build a contending team around him), but that does not mean that I will excuse his bad PO showing by that and claim that he really is just "a superstar player lacking touches and LeBron makes him worse" (which is rip's intent with his retarded Olympics comparsion).

Bosh accepted his role and if he does not deliver and gets outplayed by his methead backup, then I am going to criticize him. I expect at least a bit more than inefficient 12/7 from a 20 million player, even if he plays out of position and within a system that does not favor his strenghts. It's not simply a matter of "touches".

Being capable of doing something better in a different set of circumstances than you find yourself in is pointless.

[moe94]

Yes, I am claiming a position of intelligence. I'm not going to get into my resume because that would just be petty.

By all means. The fact that you said this while withholding is worse than being petty. Either say it or don't. :confusedshrug:

Exactly what are your credentials?

[HOoopCityJones]

I understand that Bosh couldstill be a very solid 1st option (although I don't think you could really build a contending team around him), but that does not mean that I will excuse his bad PO showing by that and claim that he really is just "a superstar player lacking touches and LeBron makes him worse" (which is rip's intent).

Bosh accepted his role and if he does not deliver and gets outplayed by his methead backup, then I am going to criticize him. I expect at least a bit more than inefficient 12/7 from a 20 million player, even if he plays out of position and within a system that does not favor his strenghts. It's not simply a matter of "touches".

Being capable of doing something better in a different set of circumstances than you find yourself in is pointless.


*Can

There is no could , Bosh is a great player.

[L8kersfan222]

Clear agenda. Yes Bosh is an all-star. But no he wasn't a "top 5 player" when Lebron recruited him.



Lbj tried to get Bosh to Cleveland, Wade recruited them both.

[DaSeba5]

I'm new around here so I don't know the guy well, but it seemed to me he made a legit comparison and all I see are people raging because it implies something about their man crush.

He doesn't make players better?

Did I just say a bad word?

Because he's comparing Bosh to Bird and Magic past their primes, and to the best basketball team of all time full of basketball stars.

Bosh's struggles in the playoffs were on himself. Yes he sacrificed his stats to be more of a role player and 3rd wheel, but his struggles in the playoffs were on himself. He could not make his shots and Indiana dominated him. Even he said this. I may like Bosh more than my fellow Heat fans here, but to just completely blame everyone else for Bosh's struggles is silly. I can see why people expect more. You are new here, so you must understand that Rip always has agenda against LeBron. Even a thread about some scrub on the Wizards will have something in there about LeBron from Rip.

Bosh is a solid first option, but let's not act like being on Miami is keeping him from being the next Kareem. You can't win in Rip's argument. If Bosh is a beast, they are stacked. If Bosh struggles, it's LeBron's fault.

[HOoopCityJones]

Because he's comparing Bosh to Bird and Magic past their primes, and to the best basketball team of all time full of basketball stars.

Bosh's struggles in the playoffs were on himself. Yes he sacrificed his stats to be more of a role player and 3rd wheel, but his struggles in the playoffs were on himself. He could not make his shots and Indiana dominated him. Even he said this. I may like Bosh more than my fellow Heat fans here, but to just completely blame everyone else for Bosh's struggles is silly. I can see why people expect more. You are new here, so you must understand that Rip always has agenda against LeBron. Even a thread about some scrub on the Wizards will have something in there about LeBron from Rip.

Bosh is a solid first option, but let's not act like being on Miami is keeping him from being the next Kareem.

Ok, if you throw out the comparison everyone is too flustered to make , it makes perfect sense.

Bosh's stats are down because he plays with other stars.

That's the point. Everything else is hyperbole.

[ralph_i_el]

By all means. The fact that you said this while withholding is worse than being petty. Either say it or don't. :confusedshrug:

Exactly what are your credentials?

a degree in finance and a bunch of MUN debate victories including an honorable mention at WEMUN in Beijing back in high school (my school took 2nd on the PLANET to the delegation from India). I got to meet CP3 in china too.

I've always considered myself a smart guy and I thoroughly enjoy debate. I watch a lot of basketball and I like to share my opinions. You're welcome to your own.

[DaSeba5]

Ok, if you throw out the comparison everyone is too flustered to make , it makes perfect sense.

Bosh's stats are down because he plays with other stars.

That's the point. Everything else is hyperbole.

He uses this hyperbole to say that Bosh used to be a super star, and Miami is taking that away from him. No, that is not true. He was never a super star and he was never on the same level as Magic and Bird. He was never a top 5 player in this league. He would be a solid #1 option, but he chose to be a role player when he came here.

With all that said, his struggles in the playoffs were only on himself. His stats decrease because he's a 3rd option, but not as dramatic as they were in the playoffs. He struggled on his own, and like Kblaze said, it ruins the LeBron gets carried by stacked team argument when their 3rd option is only averaging like 12 points and the 2nd option is always hurt. He cannot defend strong interior play. Duncan and Hibbert dominated him in the playoffs. He did have some big moments though.

[HurricaneKid]

He was great defensively in games 6 and 7 of the Finals...

When TD had 25 at the half of G6 he was great defensively?? No, he really isn't even a good defender much less great.

He is an elite mid-range shooter who allows LeBron and DWade room to maneuver inside because he has to be defended at 18 ft.

But he is a finesse 4 and a long ways from a defensive C and gets worked by stonger interior play.

Its not about whether its his fault; the team strategy is to pull the opposition's rim protectors away from the rim. The cost of that is that it forces him to defend bigs. For the most part it works. But when he is forced to guard guys like Hibbert it causes all kinds of problems.

[Ben.]

This forum has to have some of the most idiotic members I have ever seen

The ignorance on the first page is :facepalm

[red1]

Because he's comparing Bosh to Bird and Magic past their primes, and to the best basketball team of all time full of basketball stars.

Bosh's struggles in the playoffs were on himself. Yes he sacrificed his stats to be more of a role player and 3rd wheel, but his struggles in the playoffs were on himself. He could not make his shots and Indiana dominated him. Even he said this. I may like Bosh more than my fellow Heat fans here, but to just completely blame everyone else for Bosh's struggles is silly. I can see why people expect more. You are new here, so you must understand that Rip always has agenda against LeBron. Even a thread about some scrub on the Wizards will have something in there about LeBron from Rip.

Bosh is a solid first option, but let's not act like being on Miami is keeping him from being the next Kareem. You can't win in Rip's argument. If Bosh is a beast, they are stacked. If Bosh struggles, it's LeBron's fault.
Right on. Bosh is not playing to his potential now because he plays out of position every night, not because lebron is an overrated ballhog like rip would like you to believe.

[tpols]

When TD had 25 at the half of G6 he was great defensively?? No, he really isn't even a good defender much less great.
.
Watch video of that half.. Bosh played fantastic defense but Duncan was hitting everything. Shots were fully contested and some even wild.

[navy]

Rip had a lot of logical fallacies in his argument too, he just happens to be on the side I support. I don't think it's Lebron's "fault" that Bosh's stats aren't great. It's just that the Heat are better off working towards Lebron's strengths rather than Bosh's, which is fine because Lebron is the best player on the planet. The coaching/gameplan has dictated what Bosh does on the floor because they believe that gives them the best chance to win the game, stats don't matter. I hesitate to use single games as evidence to back up my claims, but just last month Lebron sat and the heat changed up the gameplan....Bosh dropped 37.

Yes, I am claiming a position of intelligence. I'm not going to get into my resume because that would just be petty. I also watch a lot of basketball.

Here's the thing though. Bosh isnt expected to put up 37 a night. Not even 20 points a night. He is expected to play his role to his full potential. That is all. He didnt.

Go watch the games where they allowed Bosh to play his game to get him going after he was struggling. The Heat lost the first quarter of Game 7 vs the Pacers solely because they wanted Bosh to get going.

Bosh was good in the regular season playing his role. In the post season he wasnt. It wasnt because his role changed. He just under performed. It wasnt anyone's fault.

[ImKobe]

And he's not consistent enough to be considered a big factor in Lebron's success. Lebron EARNED his MVPs, rings, and FMVPs.

Here we go again, just another Lebron stan taking credit away from his teammates. If Lebron was so awesome on his own, he would have never left Cleveland in the first place.:facepalm

[navy]

Bosh played defense the best he could in the playoffs. Im not going to fault him for not being able to guard Hibbert and Duncan. He played the best he could on that end.

[Im Still Ballin]

1 rebound is all you have for 2013? He was decent against the Bulls and had one great game against them. Against the Pacers, he was completely ineffective and he said so himself. He was great defensively in games 6 and 7 of the Finals, but his play offensively left much to be desired of in the entire playoffs. I personally consider his 2012 run to be his best one.
But the fact remains they won. It dont matter if its in 4 games or 7, champions are champions and you can pick apart his play but at the end of the day he accomplished his goal, to win.

(that 1 rebound was the difference between winning and losing at that moment in the game)

[DaSeba5]

Bosh played defense the best he could in the playoffs. Im not going to fault him for not being able to guard Hibbert and Duncan. He played the best he could on that end.

Yah I'll give him that. He had key moments. You can't take away Bosh's heart. He knew he was struggling and he played his ass off. That's why I really like Bosh.

[K Xerxes]

I can understand if people say LeBron marginalises Bosh (and other players). There is some truth in that wrt how LeBron plays. But what I can't stand is the inconsistency in logic:

Role players play well: LeBron's team is stacked

Role players play badly: LeBron makes his team mates worse

Both of which OP has used multiple times before.

This is when the trolling becomes blatant.

[ImKobe]

Bosh played defense the best he could in the playoffs. Im not going to fault him for not being able to guard Hibbert and Duncan. He played the best he could on that end.

How about him making that stop on Green in overtime of Game 6, getting the two offensive rebounds that gave the Heat another chance to get back into the game and not lose the series? What about that? How about the defense Bosh played to keep Parker out of the paint? The way he spaced the floor for the offense?

Why do I only hear about Lebron MVP this and that after his teammates made crucial plays so that they wouldn't lose the series.

[red1]

Yah I'll give him that. He had key moments. You can't take away Bosh's heart. He knew he was struggling and he played his ass off. That's why I really like Bosh.
this guys heart and mental toughness are seriously underrated. he has stated that he hates playing centre and even when he gets abused he is still ready for the next play. and in three years he hasnt complained once about touches

[navy]

Why do I only hear about Lebron MVP this and that after his teammates made crucial plays so that they wouldn't lose the series.

You hear what you want to hear. Most of the time people are trying to discredit Lebron because they have an agenda. Every championship has 5 guys on the floor at all times. There isnt a single championship where a role player didnt play a vital role in a win.

Bosh made crucial championship winning plays. Doesnt mean Lebron wasnt the MVP.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Destroyed by Hibbert and Duncan in back to back rounds and scored zero points in the biggest game of his career. :oldlol:

DAT HELP

[ripthekik]

Finally some good discussion.

Deseba, I think you misunderstood some of my points.

1) The dream team comparison is basically just used to show that by putting three great players together, their stats will drop. I didn't mean Bosh was Magic or Bird. I could've used any other Olympic player and their stats would be less than their NBA stats. Basic point: stacked team = less stats.

2) I never in this thread said it was Lebron's fault. I said it was Heat's system that made Bosh so, and when you put so many great players together, someone's stats gotta drop.

So basically, I'm just telling people not to underrate Bosh and say he's a scrub. He's not doing as well because of how he is used in the system (you should know best about this), and the fact that there are great players on his team who has priority in getting usage of the ball (e.g. there are absolutely no plays ran for him). And lastly, do not forget this guy can still drop 25/10 on any day if he's the first or second option.

[navy]

Let me spell this out for you.

Bosh in the regular season = Good
Bosh in the Post season = Mediocre
Bosh's role in both = Same

[Project018]

I can understand if people say LeBron marginalises Bosh (and other players). There is some truth in that wrt how LeBron plays. But what I can't stand is the inconsistency in logic:

Role players play well: LeBron's team is stacked

Role players play badly: LeBron makes his team mates worse

Both of which OP has used multiple times before.

This is when the trolling becomes blatant.

OP respond to this... :D

[SilkkTheShocker]

It's pretty sad how their are still people here that sugarcoat Bosh's 2013 performance. People must have forgot Reggie Miller calling them the Miami Cavaliers with the way LeBron carried Bosh in the ECF

[ImKobe]

Destroyed by Hibbert and Duncan in back to back rounds and scored zero points in the biggest game of his career. :oldlol:

DAT HELP


Without him being there to rebound Lebron's LeBricks, Heat walk away from the arena and Tim Duncan hoists the championship trophy.

[ImKobe]

It's pretty sad how their are still people here that sugarcoat Bosh's 2013 performance. People must have forgot Reggie Miller calling them the Miami Cavaliers with the way LeBron carried Bosh in the ECF

If Lebron is so good at carrying other players, why did he leave Cleveland then? :coleman:

[ralph_i_el]

Here's the thing though. Bosh isnt expected to put up 37 a night. Not even 20 points a night. He is expected to play his role to his full potential. That is all. He didnt.

Go watch the games where they allowed Bosh to play his game to get him going after he was struggling. The Heat lost the first quarter of Game 7 vs the Pacers solely because they wanted Bosh to get going.

Bosh was good in the regular season playing his role. In the post season he wasnt. It wasnt because his role changed. He just under performed. It wasnt anyone's fault.

I agree. But you COULD expect him to put up 20+ a night and it would happen if you let him. My main point is that he is marginalized in his role on the heat. They use him in a role they need and he's talented enough to fill it, but he could be so much more on another team.

It's not spolestra's job to make Bosh look good. His job is to formulate a strategy that wins championships.

[navy]

I agree. But you COULD expect him to put up 20+ a night and it would happen if you let him.
It would be at the expense of the team though. The Heat last year and this year have had some of the best offensive stats of ALL TIME.

If Bosh wanted to be the man again, or I guess a second option and average 20 on a different team he is free to leave after this year.

[ralph_i_el]

It would be at the expense of the team though. The Heat last year and this year have had some of the best offensive stats of ALL TIME.

If Bosh wanted to be the man again, or I guess a second option and average 20 on a different team he is free to leave after this year.

That's what I'm saying though. The heat have constructed their gameplan and role players to work to Lebron's strengths and Lebron is the best player in the L. Obviously they would be worse if they ran the O through Bosh. BUT a lot of teams would be way better running their O through Bosh, or even having him as the second option. Bosh knew this when he signed on to the heat.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Dis is OP :milton

[K Xerxes]

OP respond to this... :D

I made that post knowing full well that I'm not going to get a logical reply from rip, if at all. Trolling doesn't counter reason.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

But the fact remains they won. It dont matter if its in 4 games or 7, champions are champions and you can pick apart his play but at the end of the day he accomplished his goal, to win.

(that 1 rebound was the difference between winning and losing at that moment in the game)

True, he was crucial in the playoffs. I'm just saying his overall performance was disappointing for his standards especially considering how well he played in the 2011 and 2012 playoffs.

[Stringer Bell]

Bosh is still a good player, it's only natural your numbers go down when you play with other talented players who put up great numbers.

I remember the 2012 playoffs when he missed some games and people were like "oh, NOW people respect Chris Bosh more because he's injured and you see that he is important to the team".

As far as the 1992 Dream Team goes, well, they were 11 deep in HOFers, all of them (except Magic & Bird) were in their primes, or very close to it. Of course their numbers would take a big drop.

[D-FENS]

Past their primes? Yet look at their averages for the NBA season :roll:
Are you telling me past their primes is the reason for their statistical dropoff from NBA season to Olympics?

No, Olympic teams need an alpha scorer, and Mike was it. Bird had a bad back and had retired, and Magic had also retired. You're reaching.

[ArbitraryWater]

If Lebron is so good at carrying other players, why did he leave Cleveland then? :coleman:

:biggums: lack of help :hammerhead:

[kobeef24]

Simple Question:
When MJ, Bird, and Magic played in the dream team, did they averaged the same stats as they did when they played in the NBA?

Let me do the research for yall:

Dream Team stats:
MJ: 15ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.8 apg
Magic: 8ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.5 apg
Bird: 8.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.8 apg

1992 NBA regular season stats
MJ: 32.6 ppg, 6.7 rpb, 5.5 apg
Magic: 19.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 12.5 apg (1991)
Bird: 20.2 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 6.8 apg

Now, here are the questions:
1: Why are these players averaging less stats?
2: Does that mean they are playing far below their level? Is having MJ on the team no longer like having the best player in the world because he doesn't have those stats anymore?
3: Bird is averaging mediocre stats NBA-wise. Does that mean he is a scrub?

After thinking about that, now maybe you'll understand why Bosh's stats is lower in a stacked team, and if he had the opportunity, he'd put up great stats again? :confusedshrug:

You didn't even post the minutes they played in the olympics. I'm sure with that roster they were playing way less, and it's not like they even had to try their hardest.

[Legends66NBA7]

Chris Bosh's stats with the Raptors in the playoffs:

07: 17.5ppg 9rpg 2.5apg 0.8spg 1.8bpg 2tpg 39.6%fg (36/91) 20%3pt (1/5) 84.2%ft (32/38) on 37mpg

08: 24ppg 9rpg 3.6apg 1.6spg 0.4bpg 2.6tpg 47.2%fg (42/89) 14.3%3pt (1/7) 83.3%ft (35/42) on 39.8mpg


Raptors played 11 playoff games in that span and went 3-8. In only 1 of those wins, Bosh had a good game. In only 3 of those 11 games, Bosh had a good/great game. The rest he was mediocre or garbage.

This guys should thank James every day for those rings he has. Easily the weak link of the Big 3 in Miami. Dude is the ultimate definition of a guy who put up numbers on bad teams. Yet he called himself a Hall of Famer when he was in Toronto. :oldlol:

[Stringer Bell]

No, Olympic teams need an alpha scorer, and Mike was it. Bird had a bad back and had retired, and Magic had also retired. You're reaching.

Barkley was the main scorer for the Dream Team.

Daly apparently said his most important 3 guys where Barkley, MJ, and Pippen.

Barkley for scoring and efficiency, and MJ & Pip for hounding defense.

Jordan wasn't shooting too well. Although if a game had somehow gone down to the wire, I think Jordan would still be the one with the ball in his hands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_men's_Olympic_basketball_team#S tatistics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_men's_Olympic_basketball_team#S tatistics_2

[SavageMode]

ripthekik got Ether'd so hard. avoiding this topic like the plague. :roll:

[Y2ktors]

This thread is asinine. Nothing more.

[LeGOAT]

Bosh would average 30 ppg on 65% shooting with Durant

[Solefade]

I can understand if people say LeBron marginalises Bosh (and other players). There is some truth in that wrt how LeBron plays. But what I can't stand is the inconsistency in logic:

Role players play well: LeBron's team is stacked

Role players play badly: LeBron makes his team mates worse

Both of which OP has used multiple times before.

This is when the trolling becomes blatant.


where you at rip? :roll:

[Nash]

So everything is Lebron's fault? Huh OP? I mean everything, everything you can come up with is Lebron fault.

Shut it down then, its ovaaaaaa.

[GoranDragon]

where you at rip? :roll:
rip we worried. show up brah.:lol

[ripthekik]

rip we worried. show up brah.:lol
Not everyone has all day on the net like you, little child.

Oh, right after I make this thread what does Bosh do?

Drop 31 points with 6 rebounds, 1 block on 68% FG as second option. Yeah. Nothing more I need to say really.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Not everyone has all day on the net like you, little child.

Oh, right after I make this thread what does Bosh do?

Drop 31 points with 6 rebounds, 1 block on 68% FG as second option. Yeah. Nothing more I need to say really.
i knew ur dumb ass would bump this thread :lol :lol :facepalm