Most overrrated NBA players of all-time

[Y2ktors]

Who you got?

[GOATbe]

LBJ

[Audio One]

Olajuwon
Jordan
Miller
Magic
Ginobili
Stockton
She-Mack
Pocket Change
Nowitzki

[Cone]

kevin garnett

[Cold soul]

Kevin Durant.

[Solefade]

Derrick Rose and Carmelo

[Y2ktors]

Olajuwon
Jordan
Miller
Magic
Ginobili
Stockton
She-Mack
Pocket Change
Nowitzki

:biggums:

[Milbuck]

Caron Butler

[rlsmooth775]

Jerry Stackhouse

[Y2ktors]

Jerry Stackhouse
Very overrated. I always thought he was very hyped up, even in college.

[knicksman]

lebron
wilt
oscar

and those 3 play almost the same

and you can add their poor man versions

iverson and rose

[LAZERUSS]

lebron
wilt
oscar

and those 3 play almost the same

and you can add their poor man versions

iverson and rose

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[dabigbaws]

bran

[knicksman]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

4 mvps for 1 ring as the man:oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

4 mvps for 1 ring as the man:oldlol:

And in that same span, a 7-2 edge in All NBA First Team selections over Russell, who whose TEAM won NINE...and in their 10 seasons in the league together. And in every one of their eight post-season H2H's, he wiped the floor with Russell.

Hmmm...

Oh, and in 71-72, he won yet another ring, and FMVP, as CLEARLY THE man. His second best teammate, West shot .376 in the post-season, and then puked all over the floor in the Finals when he shot .325.

[GoranDragon]

Current: Kevin Durant

All-time: Kobe Bryant

[fsvr54]

Kobe

[Genaro]

Lebron, Rondo, Rose and Griffin have to be up there.

[BuffaloBill]

Lebron
Rondo
Stokton
Nash
Odom

[G-train]

These days I can't decide who is trolling and who is actually stupid.

[houston]

Barkley
Malone
Webber
T-mac
AI

[G-train]

Barkley
Malone
Webber
T-mac
AI

Yeah some of the all time greats are overrated. SMH.

[knicksman]

And in that same span, a 7-2 edge in All NBA First Team selections over Russell, who whose TEAM won NINE...and in their 10 seasons in the league together. And in every one of their eight post-season H2H's, he wiped the floor with Russell.

Hmmm...

Oh, and in 71-72, he won yet another ring, and FMVP, as CLEARLY THE man. His second best teammate, West shot .376 in the post-season, and then puked all over the floor in the Finals when he shot .325.

14 ppg as the man:roll:
that fckin IQ

[LAZERUSS]

14 ppg as the man:roll:
that fckin IQ

Well, how about leading the league in rebounding, first-team all-defense (and would have won DPOY had the award existed), and a still record .727 FG%. And then, by virtually ALL accounts, he outplayed a KAJ who had averaged 35 ppg in the regular season, in the WCF's. Then, all he did in the Finals, was average 19 ppg, 23 rpg, 7.4 bpg, and shoot .600 from the field...and a unanimous FMVP.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Current: Kevin Durant

All-time: Kobe Bryant


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[AbeVigodaLive]

Shawn Kemp. I don't know if it's misguided nostalgic memories of their youth. Or, people only remember the Finals vs. Chicago... but he was a foul-prone, TO-prone player. He never had a 20/10 season. And the only year he hit 20ppg, he was toiling for a bad Cleveland squad and it was in only 42 games. (lockout season). Yet far too many remember his dunking and his pretty damn impressive 6 games vs. Chicago... while forgetting that he wasn't quite as good as they thought for 10+ years.

[AnaheimLakers24]

lebrick
biggest front runner

[Heisenberg]

we all know its LeBron, close this topic please.

[Myth]

Kobe. People argued forever about how close he was to Jordan when the argument should have been whether he was top 10 or not.

[GoranDragon]

Kobe. People argued forever about how close he was to Jordan when the argument should have been whether he was top 10 or not.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[JebronLames]

Overratedbe

[GoranDragon]

Overratedbe
:roll: :roll:

[G-train]

If you list Kobe or Lebron you are either trolling or don't get it.
Both are all time great players, top 5 or so perimeter players ever and are basically impossible to overrate.
You guys don't know what you get to watch. The difference between them and the GOAT is extremely minimal, in fact Jordan is probably the most overrated out of the 3 (but still better) because twitter and the media weren't around judging every word and movement he made.

[Black and White]

Anyone here think CP3 gets a little overrated? I remember a thread comparing him to Magic

[Illuminati]

Kobe. People argued forever about how close he was to Jordan when the argument should have been whether he was top 10 or not.

Probably the only non-troll post in this thread.

:applause:

[houston]

Yeah some of the all time greats are overrated. SMH.


Hell yea they didn't win a chip with their greatness. They had flaws in thier games for them to win. It alot of overrated played that played in the NBA.


Reggie Miller
John Starks
Eddie Jones
Gary Payton
Ray Allen
Peja Stovich

[JohnFreeman]

Hell yea they didn't win a chip with their greatness. They had flaws in thier games for them to win. It alot of overrated played that played in the NBA.


Reggie Miller
John Starks
Eddie Jones
Gary Payton
Ray Allen
Peja Stovich
wut :biggums:

[Audio One]

Well, how about leading the league in rebounding, first-team all-defense (and would have won DPOY had the award existed), and a still record .727 FG%. And then, by virtually ALL accounts, he outplayed a KAJ who had averaged 35 ppg in the regular season, in the WCF's. Then, all he did in the Finals, was average 19 ppg, 23 rpg, 7.4 bpg, and shoot .600 from the field...and a unanimous FMVP.

You DO realize that the bashing Chamberlain gets is actually due to his greatness. I can't think of ONE player in NBA history that is held to such ethereal standards. He was so great that he should've had so many titles, he played in a league with 5 ft math teachers, with 8 teams, yet knock Bill Russell for playing on "STACKED teams", and at the same time praise Kareem for playing during "the weak 70's" aganist the league at it's weakest period before Bird and Magic saved it (so these folks believe on this 1980's and foward-thinking forum). And everyone seems to regard Russell as the GOAT defender and arguably rebounder, yet when he was playing Chamberlain he was garbage? He gets no credit for Chamberlain's "underachieving"??!? (to which I've even seen you give William his credit) Just another scrub I guess :banghead:

Why you deal with these hypocrites all the time LAZERUSS/jlauber, I have no idea...

[houston]

wut :biggums:


Gary Payton the first player who got upset as a number 1 seed. Robert Pack outplayed him in a game 5 on his homecourt. Nick Van Excel average 25 on him in another first round disappointment. Came up up lame in the 96 Finals while Shawn Kemp was destroying the Bulls frontcourt. The only Hall of Fame player who average 4 points as a starter in the Finals in 04. While Billups destroyed his soul. Won a championship while being a bench player. Jayson Williams started over him:roll:


Ray Allen only won championships as a role player. He played terrible in 2010 Finals and one of the main reasons why Celtics lost. His playoff runs with the celtics was so up and down. 2009 the Celts had a 3-2 lead over the Magic without KG. Allen proceed to drop 5 points in a Celtics lost in game 6. Plus Allen is a whiner type of dude who use to be called Barbie Doll when he was with the Bucks. Plus with the Bucks 2001 East Finals g7 Iverson drop 44 on him:bowdown:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron James. He had to team up in his prime during free agency with 2 all-stars to win a ring. Beat ONE 50-win team in the playoffs before 2010 free agency.

[GOATbe]

Lebron James. He had to team up in his prime during free agency with 2 all-stars to win a ring. Beat ONE 50-win team in the playoffs before 2010 free agency.
This :applause: . He's up there with Wilt/Russell and MJ.

[Illuminati]

If I was a new member at insidehoops, seeing all these idiotic posts by Kobe stans, I would honestly think that LeBron is the most underrated player in NBA history.

[houston]

Lebron James. He had to team up in his prime during free agency with 2 all-stars to win a ring. Beat ONE 50-win team in the playoffs before 2010 free agency.


Oh he did what Moses Malone did in the 80's when Mo teamed up with Dr.J Bobby Jones in his prime:applause:

[Audio One]

Gary Payton the first player who got upset as a number 1 seed. Robert Pack outplayed him in a game 5 on his homecourt. Nick Van Excel average 25 on him in another first round disappointment. Came up up lame in the 96 Finals while Shawn Kemp was destroying the Bulls frontcourt. The only Hall of Fame player who average 4 points as a starter in the Finals in 04. While Billups destroyed his soul. Won a championship while being a bench player. Jayson Williams started over him:roll:


Ray Allen only won championships as a role player. He played terrible in 2010 Finals and one of the main reasons why Celtics lost. His playoff runs with the celtics was so up and down. 2009 the Celts had a 3-2 lead over the Magic without KG. Allen proceed to drop 5 points in a Celtics lost in game 6. Plus Allen is a whiner type of dude who use to be called Barbie Doll when he was with the Bucks. Plus with the Bucks 2001 East Finals g7 Iverson drop 44 on him:bowdown:


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[KD35willbeGOAT]

Derprant.

[ssginc]

Olajuwon
Jordan
Miller
Magic
Ginobili
Stockton
She-Mack
Pocket Change
Nowitzki


Overrated?

How so?

[midatlantic09]

iguodala
nowitzki
nash
pippen
bird
worthy
bosh
bill russell

[hateraid]

Based on being overvalued his whole career I'd say Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Based on ranking amongst the greatests of all-time I'd say Bill Russell

[houston]

Grant Hill was overrated when looking back at his Pistons years.

[midatlantic09]

Grant Hill was overrated when looking back at his Pistons years.

25/7/6 = overrated??
21/7/7 = overrated??

[Audio One]

Overrated?

How so?

Mike's considered to be far and away the GOAT, when I don't see what makes him better than Alcindor, Russell, or Chamberlain.

Olajuwon for some strange reason's considered a top 10 player and in the discussion for greatest big ever :no:

Magic gets GOAT talk, and is routinely put in the top 5 :facepalm

John Stockton is not a top-50 player all-time, and is barely a top 10 PG all-time, and he sure as hell isn't the "purest" 1

[houston]

25/7/6 = overrated??
21/7/7 = overrated??


Grant Hill wasn't a great playoff performer. In those Hawks playoff series he came up short as "the man". Plus he had same criticism David Robinson had in his career. He was "too nice". That one of the reason why he tried to prove how tough he was playing on his injured ankle. Setback his career dude only been out of the first round once in his career like that loser T-mac:roll:

[kshutts1]

Mike's considered to be far and away the GOAT, when I don't see what makes him better than Alcindor, Russell, or Chamberlain.

Olajuwon for some strange reason's considered a top 10 player and in the discussion for greatest big ever :no:

Magic gets GOAT talk, and is routinely put in the top 5 :facepalm

John Stockton is not a top-50 player all-time, and is barely a top 10 PG all-time, and he sure as hell isn't the "purest" 1
Came in here to post that.

...But after reading the rest of your post, all of which I disagree, I'm not so sure I want to quote you, lol.

But current is Durant. He's not as good as Lebron. He's a very clear #2. Yet people try to say he's better than Lebron? Compare him to Bird? Greatest scorer ever? Calm. Down.

And all time is Jordan, for the exact reason Audio mentioned in the quote above.

[oarabbus]

Mike's considered to be far and away the GOAT, when I don't see what makes him better than Alcindor, Russell, or Chamberlain.

Olajuwon for some strange reason's considered a top 10 player and in the discussion for greatest big ever :no:

Magic gets GOAT talk, and is routinely put in the top 5 :facepalm

John Stockton is not a top-50 player all-time, and is barely a top 10 PG all-time, and he sure as hell isn't the "purest" 1


John Stockton is barely a top 10 PG all-time? The same John Stockton who averaged 17/14.5 with 2.7 steals for about 3 years and comparable stats for 5 other seasons? The guy who elevated his game to the tune of 27/14/4stl/almost 2blk in the playoffs one year? (.2blk/gm career) The guy who holds the record for assists and steals, and brought the pick n' roll to new heights is "barely" a top 10PG/top 50 player and not a Pure PG.

Explain pls.

[moe94]

Mike's considered to be far and away the GOAT, when I don't see what makes him better than Alcindor, Russell, or Chamberlain.

Olajuwon for some strange reason's considered a top 10 player and in the discussion for greatest big ever :no:

Magic gets GOAT talk, and is routinely put in the top 5 :facepalm

John Stockton is not a top-50 player all-time, and is barely a top 10 PG all-time, and he sure as hell isn't the "purest" 1

By far the biggest tool on this board. :rolleyes:

[Smook A.]

Mike's considered to be far and away the GOAT, when I don't see what makes him better than Alcindor, Russell, or Chamberlain.

Olajuwon for some strange reason's considered a top 10 player and in the discussion for greatest big ever :no:

Magic gets GOAT talk, and is routinely put in the top 5 :facepalm

John Stockton is not a top-50 player all-time, and is barely a top 10 PG all-time, and he sure as hell isn't the "purest" 1
You don't know basketball

[oarabbus]

Mike's considered to be far and away the GOAT, when I don't see what makes him better than Alcindor, Russell, or Chamberlain.

Olajuwon for some strange reason's considered a top 10 player and in the discussion for greatest big ever :no:

Magic gets GOAT talk, and is routinely put in the top 5 :facepalm

John Stockton is not a top-50 player all-time, and is barely a top 10 PG all-time, and he sure as hell isn't the "purest" 1

Your Top 10 plz
You Top 5 PGs plz

[SpanishACB]

I'd like to make a serious post in all this sea of agenda:

Derrick Rose, and it's probably not even his fault. But the new jordan was given a very controversial season MVP and he's among the most popular players internationally...

For what exactly? One season?

[SHABBA]

Wilt
Malone

[MrC1991]

If John Stockton is at the bottom of a all time PG list I'd love to hear the 8 or 9 guys above him.

[catquickspider]

Lebron

[poido123]

Jordan overrated huh?

That's news to me :oldlol:

I guess being GOAT means you are overrated somehow :hammerhead:

[poido123]

Overrated by the media?

I'd go with Harden.

His off ball defense or lack thereof and ISO plays are horrible.

I'd take Wade now(if healthy) over Harden anyday of the week.

[MrC1991]

I think the point some of the guys are trying to make about Jordan being overrated is that the coverage of him, the media and us as fans just blew him up to a different stratosphere. In the 90s it was like he could damn near walk on water, heal the sick, cure the blind. lol I think hes the greatest player to play the game myself, but I wouldn't be mad at someone for thinking otherwise.

[Budadiiii]

Overrated by the media?

I'd go with Harden.

His off ball defense or lack thereof and ISO plays are horrible.

I'd take Wade now(if healthy) over Harden anyday of the week.
No doubt about it. Wade has insane basketball instincts. He just has a positive impact, period.

He's just fundamentally sound and a great overall player, high bball IQ. You could argue him over Westbrook when healthy.

[moe94]

Jordan overrated huh?

That's news to me :oldlol:

I guess being GOAT means you are overrated somehow :hammerhead:

That's what upset you?

What about dude saying Dream has no business being in the top 10 and that Stockton isn't even a top 10 PG?

[SexSymbol]

Barkley

/thread

[GOATbe]

Jordan overrated huh?

That's news to me :oldlol:

I guess being GOAT means you are overrated somehow :hammerhead:
:biggums:

[GoranDragon]

:biggums:
Kobe stans still confused over who's the consensus GOAT.:roll:

Jordan is GOAT and Lebron will be 2nd GOAT. Deal with that.

[GOATbe]

Kobe stans still confused over who's the consensus GOAT.:roll:

Jordan is GOAT and Lebron will be 2nd GOAT. Deal with that.
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[HOoopCityJones]

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The consensus passing of the torch. :roll:

[GOATbe]

The consensus passing of the torch. :roll:
:lol :applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

Durant sure ran away with it. :oldlol:

[knicksman]

The consensus passing of the torch. :roll:



:oldlol:

[Budadiiii]

Durant sure ran away with it. :oldlol:
Best gif of all time.

Durant taking the torch...

Bosh puts it over the edge. :lol

[SexSymbol]

Kobe stans still confused over who's the consensus GOAT.:roll:

Jordan is GOAT and Lebron will be 2nd GOAT. Deal with that.
lol lebron has a long way to climb up to be in top 5 ballpark.
Top 3 is unreachable due to stinking it up in 07 and 11

[moe94]

The consensus passing of the torch. :roll:

Good post.

[poido123]

That's what upset you?

What about dude saying Dream has no business being in the top 10 and that Stockton isn't even a top 10 PG?

I guess that some posts are that bad, they aren't worth a mention or discussion :oldlol:

Dream definately has business in the top 10. I have him in mine.

The kids of today will say things negative about stockton. He's an ugly whiteboy with limited athleticism. Only Bird mostly escapes that kind of hate, except for maybe a few who say that Bird couldn't compete in today's athletic league :rolleyes:

I always put players with the best peaks in my top 10. Longevity and team accomplishments rank lower for me, but that's just my opinion...

[poido123]

:biggums:

Well he is by most.

I'm fine if you have Kareem, russell, wilt etc as GOAT. each to their own.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Very overrated. I always thought he was very hyped up, even in college.


At least he still became a solid nba player regardless of his hype. might as well say JR Rider was overrated as hell too, because his career was a lot worst than Stackhouse turned out to be, and Rider was one of the best college players in the nation back in the day.

[Champ]

I guess that some posts are that bad, they aren't worth a mention or discussion :oldlol:

Dream definately has business in the top 10. I have him in mine.

The kids of today will say things negative about stockton. He's an ugly whiteboy with limited athleticism. Only Bird mostly escapes that kind of hate, except for maybe a few who say that Bird couldn't compete in today's athletic league :rolleyes:

I always put players with the best peaks in my top 10. Longevity and team accomplishments rank lower for me, but that's just my opinion...

Your opinion is a good one.
:cheers:

[Y2ktors]

Shawn Kemp. I don't know if it's misguided nostalgic memories of their youth. Or, people only remember the Finals vs. Chicago... but he was a foul-prone, TO-prone player. He never had a 20/10 season. And the only year he hit 20ppg, he was toiling for a bad Cleveland squad and it was in only 42 games. (lockout season). Yet far too many remember his dunking and his pretty damn impressive 6 games vs. Chicago... while forgetting that he wasn't quite as good as they thought for 10+ years.

Bingo!! ppl think that '96 Finals Kemp was the true Kemp and it wasn't.

[GOATbe]

Well he is by most.

I'm fine if you have Kareem, russell, wilt etc as GOAT. each to their own.
Godbe.:rockon:

[MiseryCityTexas]

dave debusscessre was pretty overrated also even though he was a great player and nba legend.

[Alan Ogg]

Vince Carter
Rose
Carmelo
Reggie Miller

[riseagainst]

Kobe stans still confused over who's the consensus GOAT.:roll:

Jordan is GOAT and Lebron will be 2nd GOAT. Deal with that.

ok, I actually thought you were being rational for a sec until the bolded.
:roll:

[atljonesbro]

Jordan is super overrated. He may be the best, but he isn't some untouchable overlord of basketball who's on sky high pedestal like most think.

[riseagainst]

Jordan is super overrated. He may be the best, but he isn't some untouchable overlord of basketball who's on sky high pedestal like most think.

oh yes he is. His place in not just the NBA history, but sports History is mythical/legendary. He has the numbers and the accomplishments to back up his status. He might have been a little lucky to be in a period where there is massive globalization of basketball in the 90s. But he is just THAT iconic of a figure to not to be GOAT.

[atljonesbro]

oh yes he is. His place in not just the NBA history, but sports History is mythical/legendary. He has the numbers and the accomplishments to back up his status. He might have been a little lucky to be in a period where there is massive globalization of basketball in the 90s. But he is just THAT iconic of a figure to not to be GOAT.
Exactly what I'm talking about. That MJ marketing hype.

[riseagainst]

Exactly what I'm talking about. That MJ marketing hype.

he also has the numbers and accomplishments to back up the GOAT claims...

[hateraid]

Jordan overrated huh?

That's news to me :oldlol:

I guess being GOAT means you are overrated somehow :hammerhead:

It's not that people are challenging that he is arguably the greatest player of all time, it's the majority of people think it's indisputable.
His myth has been embellished over the years and it just keeps getting more mythical. I've seen posts saying he's a better post player than Duncan, a better man defender than Pippen, a better dunker than Vince, a better multi position player than Magic, and a 3 point threat. and here's the kicker, all these statements in one! Some by the same poster!
He is one of the greatests, but his legend definitely surpasses him.

[riseagainst]

It's not that people are challenging that he is arguably the greatest player of all time, it's the majority of people think it's indisputable.
His myth has been embellished over the years and it just keeps getting more mythical. I've seen posts saying he's a better post player than Duncan, a better man defender than Pippen, a better dunker than Vince, a better multi position player than Magic, and a 3 point threat. and here's the kicker, all these statements in one! Some by the same poster!
He is one of the greatests, but his legend definitely surpasses him.

MJ's not really the best at alot of specific basketball qualities. But overall he is the greatest. And also what makes him the greatest is the fact that he elevates his play in the playoffs and he also made sure the Bulls never lost a playoff series that they are supposed to win.

[Y2ktors]

At least he still became a solid nba player regardless of his hype. might as well say JR Rider was overrated as hell too, because his career was a lot worst than Stackhouse turned out to be, and Rider was one of the best college players in the nation back in the day.
Rider was just a loser with a bad attitude. He's beyond overrated.

[Y2ktors]

It's not that people are challenging that he is arguably the greatest player of all time, it's the majority of people think it's indisputable.
His myth has been embellished over the years and it just keeps getting more mythical. I've seen posts saying he's a better post player than Duncan, a better man defender than Pippen, a better dunker than Vince, a better multi position player than Magic, and a 3 point threat. and here's the kicker, all these statements in one! Some by the same poster!
He is one of the greatests, but his legend definitely surpasses him.

That opinion doesn't make him overrated. That poster's opinion is just incorrect.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Jordan overrated huh?

That's news to me :oldlol:

I guess being GOAT means you are overrated somehow :hammerhead:


It's not far-fetched to say. Don't get me wrong, imo he's still #1 if I had to name one but some people act like he's absolutely untouchable and that nobody ever played at the same level he reached. As far as peaks he also has a great case for #1 but I would take Shaq, Kareem, Wilt and maybe even Bird ahead of him.

[coolhandsteve]

Dikembe Mutombo a lil bit. Great shot-blocker but did he deserve ALL those DPOY awards he got? Some think he's the greatest defensive player.
Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson was another one.

[coolhandsteve]

I also gotta say Kevin Johnson & Reggie Miller were a little overrated.

[freshperry]

BLAKE GRIFFIN, Rondo, Deng, Boozer, Brandon Jennings, Perkins (when the world thought he was the dwight stopper)

[Psileas]

That opinion doesn't make him overrated. That poster's opinion is just incorrect.

If someone makes someone seem better than he is, how is this not overrating him?

[Y2ktors]

If someone makes someone seem better than he is, how is this not overrating him?

It is not an overwhelming majority that believes that Jordan was the absolute best at everything and is not even close. That particular poster overrated Jordan but MJ himself is not being overrated by a large number of people.

[Psileas]

It is not an overwhelming majority that believes that Jordan was the absolute best at everything and is not even close. That particular poster overrated Jordan but MJ himself is not being overrated by a large number of people.

Actually, I think most, especially casual, fans do believe that Jordan is the GOAT "and it's not even close". I haven't met many who make cases for multiple players and some good discussion in a message board is the exception rather then the rule.
Here's a very recent example, and it doesn't even involve casual fans, but basketball journalists: A couple of weeks ago, a popular Greek basketball magazine made a poll about the GOAT teams in Greece, Europe, NBA and NCAA. Well, the journalists voted 1982 UNC as the GOAT college team, which is an utter joke of a choice, and it's not hard at all to realize that it's a Jordan-overrating case. Needless to say, in the NBA section, the 1996 Bulls beat everyone else by a landslide. Now, Greece is not exactly the most America-friendly country, but their basketball journalists are still considered among the best in Europe and pretty knowledgeable overall.
Jordan himself actually was voted the GOAT NCAA player some years ago by an ESPN poll. So, if stuff like this happens for the NCAA, imagine what happens when it comes to the NBA.

[Audio One]

John Stockton is barely a top 10 PG all-time? The same John Stockton who averaged 17/14.5 with 2.7 steals for about 3 years and comparable stats for 5 other seasons? The guy who elevated his game to the tune of 27/14/4stl/almost 2blk in the playoffs one year? (.2blk/gm career) The guy who holds the record for assists and steals, and brought the pick n' roll to new heights is "barely" a top 10PG/top 50 player and not a Pure PG.

Explain pls.

That makes him a HOF, a legend, however that doesn't make him a "pure" 1, nor does that make him as great as people seem he was. Going by that logic, Karl Malone's a better scorer than Kobe and Jordan? :no: Stockton was a gritty defender, but that didn't make him a great defender, his defense is overrated, he never shut any PG worth a damn down, EVER. :no:


The top 10 players, imo, in no order:

Havlicek
Bird
Johnson
O'Neal
Cousy
Bryant
Jordan
Alcindor
Russell
Chamberlain

As far as point guards:

Frazier
Cousy
Earvin
Isiah
Wilkens
Kidd
Gary
Oscar
Paul

All are definitely better, and by the time his career's over, I expect Parker to have surpassed Stockton as well. Putting up stats from ONE playoff series to prove he's the purest PG, stop quoting me :roll:

[Nevaeh]

It's not that people are challenging that he is arguably the greatest player of all time, it's the majority of people think it's indisputable.
His myth has been embellished over the years and it just keeps getting more mythical. I've seen posts saying he's a better post player than Duncan, a better man defender than Pippen, a better dunker than Vince, a better multi position player than Magic, and a 3 point threat. and here's the kicker, all these statements in one! Some by the same poster!
He is one of the greatests, but his legend definitely surpasses him.


Had Jordan stayed retired after the first 3-peat in 93, and people still considered him GOAT, then I could see how he'd be overrated. But after coming out of retirement and 3-peating all over again, as the team leader and NOT as a roleplayer, is what actually kicked his Legend over the top for a lot of people.

Nobody was expecting him to ever get back to the "good old days" after seeing him falter against the Magic in 95. The way he basically reinvented himself as a more consistent jump shooter, while taking on both his own, and new generation of players at the same time, is pretty much what sealed the deal.

As far as the "marketing" angle goes, people are quick to forget that hawking products didn't start or end with Jordan. His popularity on the court just caused a ripple effect on the popularity of his products off the court that no other player has been able to duplicate.

[Bob Dole]

Do u dummies even know what overrated means? I see so many of y'all saying "he's top ten so he can be overrated" you can be god and still be overrated. All it means is you weren't as good as people say you are.

Mj(yes the goat but not as unanimous and unquestionable as y'all say)
Bill Russell (not even close to as good as wilt)
Kobe( impacts games less than any other top 20 player)
Magic(was not as good as bird no matter what u say)
Hakeem(he is right there with patrick and David, he was not in some other stratosphere)
Tmac( people are really saying he's better than current Durant)

That's it all for now ol' chaps

[houston]

no deron williams lol

[Y2ktors]

Had Jordan stayed retired after the first 3-peat in 93, and people still considered him GOAT, then I could see how he'd be overrated. But after coming out of retirement and 3-peating all over again, as the team leader and NOT as a roleplayer, is what actually kicked his Legend over the top for a lot of people.

Nobody was expecting him to ever get back to the "good old days" after seeing him falter against the Magic in 95. The way he basically reinvented himself as a more consistent jump shooter, while taking on both his own, and new generation of players at the same time, is pretty much what sealed the deal.

As far as the "marketing" angle goes, people are quick to forget that hawking products didn't start or end with Jordan. His popularity on the court just caused a ripple effect on the popularity of his products off the court that no other player has been able to duplicate.

I think that's why ppl sour on MJ. He's the first NBA superstar to receive the megastar, phenomenon attention on and off the court that ppl feel like he's being shoved down their throats as the GOAT.