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Meticode
01-26-2014, 03:28 AM
Great article by Akron Beacon Journal reporter Jason Lloyd...


In two weeks, Kyrie Irving will walk onto a stage of glowing lights and billowing smoke when the NBA’s All-Star game blends into a rock concert. Fans will cheer him, the league’s superstars will embrace him and Irving will realize his childhood dream when he is introduced as a starter for the Eastern Conference.
Irving is a terrific young player. He’s a magician with the ball — or a pen — in his hands. His creation of the “Uncle Drew” character has clearly increased his popularity on top of being one of the best young guards in the NBA. But the looming question hanging over this game, this franchise, is simple: Who will Kyrie Irving be when he returns from New Orleans?

Something changed within Irving last season, and it coincided with his return from All-Star weekend. It was evident to anyone around the team, particularly former coach Byron Scott, who told me in the days before he was fired, “I haven’t changed, but he has.”

Irving spoke all summer about growing up, about becoming more of a leader and committing to defense under Mike Brown. It sounded good, it has even looked good at times, but the Cavs are still floundering in the East and Irving is still getting beat by too many mediocre point guards in the NBA.
At some point, winning has to matter more than All-Star games, 3-point shootouts and even USA Basketball. At some point, if Irving wants to be considered the best in the league, he has to win.
He has the opportunity to sign a max contract this summer, and the Cavs will certainly offer it. I wonder, however, has he actually earned it?

He spoke at the end of last season how important it was to take the leap in Year 3 like so many before him, guys like LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Chris Paul, who along with their teams exploded in their third season in the NBA.

Irving has not. He’s scoring less than last season and shooting worse. His assists are up marginally and his turnovers are down slightly, but this hasn’t been the significant leap he spoke of nine months ago.
Before he was added to the East team as an injury replacement last season, there was much debate over whether the Cavs’ losing record would hurt his chances. There has been no such debate if Irving is worthy this season despite the Cavs’ 16-27 record.

He is 80-193 with the Cavs, and certainly that isn’t all his fault. The Cavs didn’t give him much help the last couple of years. That was supposed to change this season, only it hasn’t. If he is truly the leader, then Irving has to own some of that.

Instead he doesn’t have to because 860,221 people voted for him. That’s about 56,000 more votes than Chris Paul received for this All-Star game, which is astonishing since Paul plays in Los Angeles and is widely (and rightfully) regarded as the NBA’s best point guard. That’s where Irving is trying to get, but he won’t as long as journeymen like D.J. Augustin and the like continue tormenting him. And starting in the All-Star game only re-enforces the misconception Irving is blameless in all of this.

Augustin is shooting 53 percent and averaging 22.2 points and 9 assists in five starts against Irving. He’s averaging 9.5 points, 4 assists and shooting 40 percent for his career. After he did it to Irving again last Wednesday with 27 points in the Chicago Bulls’ victory over the Cavs, I asked him why Augustin gives him so many problems.

“Problems?” Irving responded, as if disagreeing with the assessment. So I reminded him that Augustin had 27 Wednesday after scoring 18 in the previous meeting. Irving blamed the defense.
“Most of the time when he was coming off the pick-and-roll, he was wide open,” Irving said. “He was playing so free out there. We were trying to make adjustments and most of the time he was wide open.”
That doesn't account for all the times Augustin simply beat Irving off the dribble, but he’s not alone.
Just within the last three weeks, here are the point guards that have really hurt the Cavs: Denver’s Ty Lawson had 19 points and 11 assists (averages 18 ppg, 8.9 apg), Portland’s Damian Lillard had 28 points and 5 assists (averages 21.2 ppg, 5.8 apg), the Lakers’ Kendall Marshall had 10 points and 16 assists (averages 10.1 ppg, 9.1 apg), Sacramento’s Isaiah Thomas had 26 points and 6 assists (averages 19.5 ppg, 6.3 apg), Utah rookie Trey Burke had 17 points and 6 assists (averages 13.5 ppg, 5.6 apg) and Philadelphia’s Michael Carter-Williams had 33 points and 5 assists (17.5 ppg, 6.7 apg).

Of that list, the only player who is supposed to be in Irving’s class is Lillard, yet all of them are reaching or exceeding their averages fairly easily against the Cavs. All-Stars don’t allow the D.J. Augustins of the NBA to beat them so soundly, nor do they allow their teams to lose by 44 to the Sacramento Kings.
Irving has to take ownership of all this. When he truly does, inferior guards will stop having big nights against him.

Part of the problem was Irving being anointed the Big Man on Campus immediately upon arriving. He hasn’t been held accountable much the last couple years. That has festered into what we’ve seen this year, which is too much dribbling, at times a lousy attitude and a 21-year-old who has shown his immaturity.
Two opposing general managers this season have told me they think Irving is pouting. Over what is anyone’s guess. Jarrett Jack hasn’t been the locker room enforcer he was supposed to be. Luol Deng should help, but he just arrived and may not be here past April.

That has left Mike Brown trying to keep everyone in his “circle” despite what has been a disappointing season.
“You can X and O to death and all that, but when times get tough, are we going to stick together and fight together? Or are we going to do what is easy to do?” Brown asked. “Everybody has people in their ear. When they leave this building, they’re saying: ‘It’s not your fault, it’s the coaches fault’ or ‘It’s the system’ or ‘It’s that player’ or ‘they don’t have good enough players.’ And that’s where the fractions can happen or the splitting can happen.”

If Irving truly wants to lead, if he truly wants to evolve into the best player in the game, as he said at the start of the season, then it’s his job to police the locker room. Instead, he’s talking about his “brand.”
When he was asked again last week about bypassing the chance to play for Australia in the Olympics a couple of years ago to preserve his chance to play for Team USA in 2016, Irving said “It was a big decision, not only for myself but for my family and my brand. That’s what it boiled down to.”
You know what will really help Irving’s brand?
Winning.

http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/jason-lloyd-kyrie-irving-s-accolades-outnumber-his-successes-1.461899?localLinksEnabled=false&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Milbuck
01-26-2014, 03:38 AM
Surprised I read all of that, but I'm glad I did.

This needs to be talked about more. I never want to wish bad things upon people, but Kyrie needs to be torn apart by the media. That's just how it is with potentially great players who underachieve. Even more so for players who underachieve because of their ego and mentality. Not everyone is as self motivated as MJ, Kobe, Lebron, KD, Wade, etc. Some players need to face the fire to become great.

Meticode
01-26-2014, 03:51 AM
Surprised I read all of that, but I'm glad I did.

This needs to be talked about more. I never want to wish bad things upon people, but Kyrie needs to be torn apart by the media. That's just how it is with potentially great players who underachieve. Even more so for players who underachieve because of their ego and mentality. Not everyone is as self motivated as MJ, Kobe, Lebron, KD, Wade, etc. Some players need to face the fire to become great.
Partly it's the media's fault. They put him on the pedestal He was expected to take that next step and frankly it feel's like he's stuck. Not regressed, but just not improving. The front office redid the bench, signed key players, Irving got in the best shape of his life during the off-season and he's simply struggled with his decision making on the court. He takes unwarranted shots a lot of times. Being a leader isn't always about taking a shot, it's about making the right decision because no one else wants that responsibility.

Too many damn times towards the end of games he handles the ball too much.

He's been a disappointment thus far with me. So has Waiters. I feel Waiters has improved slightly more so than Irving this year, but even then it's not what I was expecting.

El Gato Negro
01-26-2014, 03:53 AM
interesting read, ive also heard that kyrie likes to party a little to much. But the kid did just turn 21 this year so its not a shocker. hopefully he will mature sooner than later.

RedBlackAttack
01-26-2014, 03:58 AM
Hard to argue with Lloyd's perspective here. In retrospect, I think expectations were a little out of hand for Kyrie coming into this season and it has helped contribute to the backlash he's getting in hardcore basketball circles.

He still has plenty to learn, on and off the court. Supremely talented, yes. But not close to reaching his full potential.

ImKobe
01-26-2014, 04:32 AM
Irving is a poor man's Iverson. Only 2 inches taller.

Their style of play is very similar, only that Irving isn't nearly as athletic.

PleezeBelieve
01-26-2014, 05:29 AM
Kyrie thinks he's in a bubble where losing will be blamed on the team and never him due to the market he's in. This article, and many more like them, should have been written two months ago.

The national media font care about Cleveland, but they do care about the slightest chance of luring their best player away. So Kyrie still won't truly be held accountable no matter how many loses pile up.

Lebron23
01-26-2014, 05:44 AM
I agree.

GOBB
01-26-2014, 08:33 AM
Good article.

The JKidd Kid
01-26-2014, 09:01 AM
Whoever is his marketing guy deserves an award for turning a chucking combo guard that plays losing basketball into a household name.

Nick Young
01-26-2014, 09:04 AM
Idiot Cavs fans and journalists are going to drive Kyrie out of town, and then those same fans and journalists will be butthurt and crying for years about Kyrie not re-signing in Cleveland:lol

It's written in the stars.

BoutPractice
01-26-2014, 09:07 AM
"My brand". Ugh. Those are truly ugly words coming from an athlete's mouth. I thought Irving was supposed to be the old school one.

moe94
01-26-2014, 09:09 AM
"My brand". Ugh. Those are truly ugly words coming from an athlete's mouth. I thought Irving was supposed to be the old school one.

He's an idiot for thinking about money and his image in terms of marketing. Making more money is always a bad thing.

DukeDelonte13
01-26-2014, 09:54 AM
i just want more leadership by example from him.

DukeDelonte13
01-26-2014, 09:55 AM
He's an idiot for thinking about money and his image in terms of marketing. Making more money is always a bad thing.

nobody is calling him an idiot; you just wanna see your best players primarily focused on improving their game rather than worrying about PR bullsh*t.

Nick Young
01-26-2014, 10:16 AM
Kyrie is coming to LAL next year, good job Cleveland press and fans demonizing your best player and driving him out of town-again:lol

sixer6ad
01-26-2014, 11:04 AM
Kyrie is coming to LAL next year, good job Cleveland press and fans demonizing your best player and driving him out of town-again:lol

Can't believe one person would give Lloyd props for this article. This isn't journalism - it's a personal vendetta. Kyrie must not have answered a question with the right tone, and Lloyd went to work.

The writer is a nobody working for a newspaper that used to be grand but is now down to a minuscule sports section. His job is NEVER to report his personal feelings; it's to report what's going on with the team.

He doesn't have to love Kyrie, but he's not important enough to act like he's speaking for the fans. I personally don't want Smush Parker back as my starting point guard. Although Kyrie has some growth ahead, he's a freaking stud. If he wants to go, that's fine. Let's not push him out by acting like he's the problem.

DukeDelonte13
01-26-2014, 11:11 AM
Kyrie is coming to LAL next year, good job Cleveland press and fans demonizing your best player and driving him out of town-again:lol


:oldlol: LA fan bashing cleveland press for demonizing its athletes?

Budadiiii
01-26-2014, 11:15 AM
The kid just won't ever be a winner... it's as simple as that.

He doesn't get it and never will.

I'm sure he'll have a fun life and be happy but he's a loser when comparing him to Durant, Paul, Westbrook.. those guys have winners mentality in regards to winning at the NBA level.

Great talent, piss poor mindset. Wouldn't want him on my squad. Hope you enjoy his flash Cav fans.

DukeDelonte13
01-26-2014, 11:38 AM
The kid just won't ever be a winner... it's as simple as that.

He doesn't get it and never will.

I'm sure he'll have a fun life and be happy but he's a loser when comparing him to Durant, Paul, Westbrook.. those guys have winners mentality in regards to winning at the NBA level.

Great talent, piss poor mindset. Wouldn't want him on my squad. Hope you enjoy his flash Cav fans.

to be fair it's not like CP3 has really accomplished much. Westbrook is a second banana.

Durant is a top 2 player in the league that plays SF. Gotta compare apples to apples here.

Kyrie is still way too young to make conclusions about his game.

christian1923
01-26-2014, 11:51 AM
Talent just Rots in Cleveland. For all sports teams. Those players just have to get out ASAP. Something is in the water there.

Nick Young
01-26-2014, 12:02 PM
Talent just Rots in Cleveland. For all sports teams. Those players just have to get out ASAP. Something is in the water there.
the people have no ambition there, thats all there is too it. People in Ohio in general.

navy
01-26-2014, 12:08 PM
Please tell me how articles like this will make Kyrie improve his game and not bolt right out the Cleveland door?

Marlo_Stanfield
01-26-2014, 12:11 PM
most overrated player with harden right now. has sick handles but cant really impact a basketball game positively:facepalm

DukeDelonte13
01-26-2014, 12:12 PM
Please tell me how articles like this will make Kyrie improve his game and not bolt right out the Cleveland door?

this is like the one and only negative article ever written about Kyrie for a local writer, and in reality, its not like Kyrie doesn't deserve it.


NY, CHI, and LA media KILLS their athletes in the media. I doubt it really matters.

I don't think Dwight left LA because of the negative press I think he left LA because he knew the franchise wasn't going anywhere and that Kobe was an as*hole to him.

navy
01-26-2014, 12:23 PM
Hard to argue with Lloyd's perspective here. In retrospect, I think expectations were a little out of hand for Kyrie coming into this season and it has helped contribute to the backlash he's getting in hardcore basketball circles.

He still has plenty to learn, on and off the court. Supremely talented, yes. But not close to reaching his full potential.

On one hand Kyrie plays in Cleveland, so losiing is expected. Although Cavs fans straight up thought that team would be decent this year. They arent.

Kyrie just had way too high expectations, he is still playing well.


And Kyrie was right about the defense thing. When it comes to guarding point guards the system of the team is more important than anything. Kyrie is a horrible defender, no arguments there, but you much have a team pilosophy set to stop point guards from playing well.

High Pick n roll Trap-Miami
Ice to Sideline-Bulls and Golden State
Funnel into Shot Blocker/Good inside defender- Pacers, Rockets, Nets
Switch-New York KNicks, etc

The Cavs from my limited viewing of them simply expect Kyrie to stay in front and have a big guy hedge. Neither of which are good at it.

navy
01-26-2014, 12:26 PM
this is like the one and only negative article ever written about Kyrie for a local writer, and in reality, its not like Kyrie doesn't deserve it.


NY, CHI, and LA media KILLS their athletes in the media. I doubt it really matters.

I don't think Dwight left LA because of the negative press I think he left LA because he knew the franchise wasn't going anywhere and that Kobe was an as*hole to him.
Remember how that Cavs fans wore that "Dont Go" Kyrie shirt while he was struggling and fighting with teammates in the beginning of the season? I honestly think that was set up by Cavs management.

NY,CHI, and LA are big markets. And let's be honest they drive people right of the door. Sometimes force them out.

DukeDelonte13
01-26-2014, 12:46 PM
Remember how that Cavs fans wore that "Dont Go" Kyrie shirt while he was struggling and fighting with teammates in the beginning of the season? I honestly think that was set up by Cavs management.

NY,CHI, and LA are big markets. And let's be honest they drive people right of the door. Sometimes force them out.


I don't remember that at all. And nobody is the least bit concerned about Kyrie going anywhere anytime soon. He'll be a RFA.

navy
01-26-2014, 12:47 PM
I don't remember that at all. And nobody is the least bit concerned about Kyrie going anywhere anytime soon. He'll be a RFA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9sI5RM6I4o

Well obviously. He is still on his Rookie Contract.